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could there still be a windows Mobile 7?

Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?

After seeing the Android rom working for about 5 minutes I'm more excited for that than Win7.
I wouldn't doubt if there are people making a Win7 ROM for the HD2.

Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.

I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.

Silencer23 said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Winmo 6.5 Energy + Modded manila > Android ? Energy Winmo just looks and feels better... Androis is overhyped, but I may need to play with it a bit more.
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I was with Android from 1.0 to 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.1 on my g1 and having switched to WinMo I do not want to go back. I am not intetested in Android or Phone 7 for my Hd2.

I have to agree with freeincolorado and silencer, android just doesn't cut the mustard. I finally loaded it on my TP2 and have been playing with it all weekend, and while there's a few things about it that I wish winmo had, I was still very relieved when popped my sim back in my HD2 this afternoon.
As for the original topic of this post, I feel extrememly confident that someone will try to to get wp7 working on the HD2, if only for the accomplishment. Even if it's never tried with any other existing phone, the HD2's hardware should certainly be capable, if the drivers etc can be made to work with it.

I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable. I just preordered the T-Mobile Vibrant but will be keeping my HD2 for work and will end up flashing some cool new roms on it.
I've been sticking with android because unlike Win Mo 6.5x, it's not a dying platform. It's completely on the rise with the upcoming Froyo and Gingerbread updates. Google has also promised even more updates in the future. I see LOADS of potential. The Android market is constantly growing along with XDA development e.g., CyanogenMod, etc..
But don't get me wrong I love Win Mo. It's by far and truely open source vs. android. I was surprised that I can already do things on my stock HD2 that a stock and unrooted android device can't (saving apps to sd, overclock the cpu, playing Flash etc). But with these forthcoming android OS updates, these features will finally be included.

aptness leadership said:
I don't care for windows phone 7, but about the time wm 6.1 was released, i got excited for wm7. i thought it would be awesome. instead we get wp7. crap.
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Well we got great devs here on our side so were gonna be just fine. I see a modified Win 6.75 coming out once WP7 is out. Taking key features and benefits from WP7 and merging them into Win6.5. Hell I'm running Kumars Classic rom and haven't had to reboot in like 10 days now. Then I see dual boot with an android port that works good but has a few bugs. Then I dream of possibly WINXP or a good UBUNTU running as a 3rd or dare it 4th os. With all the tablets coming out we may have many more OS options and choices floating around.

winmo 6.5 crushes android 1.6 imo...I Had a g1 running 1.6 and absolutely loved it, great device and great os..i use winmo 6.1 on a motorola mc55 for work so i thought i would hate the hd2 but compared to the motorola cliq which was my only android "upgrade" option from tmous at the time, the hd2 ran circles so I went with it and got the xt for the wife to compare...no contest hd2 ftw...she's still waiting for 2.1, moto delayed it again she's still at 1.5! haha . I do miss some android features but i just look at that huge screen and forget all about it...

i realize that many people want windows phone 7 for hd2, but this thread is really about windows mobile 7. I'm thinking photon. do you think thats possible?

ryan562 said:
I like both OS of android and win mo. Both are open source and highly customizable.
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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
As for WM7 - I'm sure it will be ported to the HD2. The real question is will the GPS, bluetooth, and camera work with it properly - which is my complaint about Android. If those 3 things don't also work along with everything else (I *suppose* I could live without the FM radio) - then it's pointless as far as I'm concerned.

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First off - Windows Mobile is NOT open source.
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Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!

d0ug said:
Yeah i'm hoping he meant the platform is more open, not open source. Quite a difference there.
As far as platforms being open, Android and WinMo are probably on even playing fields. But WinMo probably has more seasoned developers/hackers that know a lot of the tricks with the OS
And actually WinMo may be more open as far as user rights, because google does have the ability to withdraw an app from their store and uninstall it from users handhelds remotely. I don't think MS has that ability from their app store, and they most certainly don't have that ability to uninstall apps loaded from downloaded cabs
Google has already done this once http://www.dailytech.com/Google+Use...+Removal+Tech+for+First+Time/article18843.htm Though it does seem legitimate to protect the users. whats to stop some app, say like DeCSS for decrypting DVDs being deemed illegal, and then google being forced to remove something due to a lawsuit, not because it is in any way is dangerous to a user.
It really rubs me the wrong way for a 3rd party to be able to uninstall and maybe even possibly remotely install code onto a piece of hardware that i OWN!
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i remember reading that on engadget. google *seems* to be acting in good faith to protect themselves from liability from apps that would violate certain copyright infringements and the like. but i just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market. steve jobs wasn't joking when he made a comment about that.

ryan562 said:
just hope they would use this feature to get rid of all the trashy porn searching programs on the market.
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what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?

ryan562 said:
google *seems* to be acting in good faith
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practically every horror story in history can be seen as acting 'in good faith' when viewed from teh correct (incorrect?) stand point. Good faith is no measure of goodness.
[mod-break] The rest of this post removed, sorry but this has no place here.

samsamuel said:
what right do you or big steve or the chocolate factory have to decide what someone else can or can't search for? who defines "trashy porn"?
first step towards a fascist totalitarian state is controlling the populace's reading/viewing material.
first they came for the pornographers, and no one spoke up, because we werent pornographers
then they came for the app devs they didn't like, still no one spoke, because we arent devs
next they took control of the adding/removing of apps on devices they didn't own, and still we were silent,
when they come for us, who is left to speak out?
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its also my right to protect my kids who have droid phones from seeing those types of programs.google should at least have the devs place an "18 and up" disclaimer for these apps. i wasn't too happy to see my lil nephew dl and use one of these apps.

yea, but what does any of this have to do with windows mobile 7 (photon)?
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aptness leadership said:
Does anyone here think it possible, or perhaps even worth developing a windows MOBILE 7 rom for the HD2? Perhaps based on windows embedded mobile? Even better, does anyone care?
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What do you think this would gain you vs. 6.5?

Perhaps more enjoyment of a longer lasting device?

....and FUN! But just imagine, working really hard to create something that no one gives a rats butt about. Thats why I posed the question, would it be interesting, would anyone even care?

Can we help unlock the nand ?!

is it just a case of brute force ?! if so, are there programmes we can run to help crunch the numbers ?!

I don't know for a fact really, but from what I gathered it's just a choice to do it this way.
The system itself stays in this way untouched.

ignore v

mda4man said:
what is the matter with people like you. stop creating pointless threads, you don't no what the hell your talking about so just shut up and let the developers work on it
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Give him a break... Imho, this is way better than the 100th thread like "Why can't we flash to Nand, yet, when is it gonna be done?". He obviously doesn't know how it has to be done technically (neither do I, btw) and therefore, he is asking if he/others can help. I don't see why this is so bad.
I am curious myself about what's the "fuzz" behind the whole nand thing, just because it's interesting and because I want to learn new stuff. But because of reactions like yours, I have been afraid to ask anywhere if someone could explain in a couple of sentences what has to be done in order to get Nand access...

NAND does not consider to be an important development for now. But rather focus on stability such as battery, CPU suspend, bugs etc...

But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card

mda4man said:
But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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I think, this time, the OP was asking specificaly about the NAND's encryption and whether we could help with 'unlocking' that.
I dunno, but I think thats what he meant.
anyway, i dont think this was the usual "when will NAND be ready?" thread.
Maybe his question could even be considered a valid one...if a little vague.

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But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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I think you've misinterpreted him he was asking of there was any way that he/we could help in the nand area, ok he may of posted in a not so normal manner & may have been better pming deb's but at least he is offering something instead of the constant "I want" "I need" "why can't I" type of thread.

i doubt this'll be of any use but i used to own an ATT Tilt (still do but my lover is in about 4 pieces of mechanical fail). I don't know if the HD2 has locked NAND or if you were looking to just replace Windows with Android (or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior). I wasn't on Team Edward (or was it Jacob) that made the flashable NAND. I would suggest you ask them.
Here's a great guide on it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
and I'd talk to the devs that got that going because they rock

enatefox said:
i doubt this'll be of any use but i used to own an ATT Tilt (still do but my lover is in about 4 pieces of mechanical fail). I don't know if the HD2 has locked NAND or if you were looking to just replace Windows with Android (or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior). I wasn't on Team Edward (or was it Jacob) that made the flashable NAND. I would suggest you ask them.
Here's a great guide on it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
and I'd talk to the devs that got that going because they rock
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Oh wow! Now I would love to see and iOS4 ROM for my HD2. That would be pure sweetness!

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I think you've misinterpreted him he was asking of there was any way that he/we could help in the nand area, ok he may of posted in a not so normal manner & may have been better pming deb's but at least he is offering something instead of the constant "I want" "I need" "why can't I" type of thread.
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EXACTLY IMO anyway....
enatefox: what?
and are we even allowed to mention ios4 on xda

enatefox said:
or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior
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Diasagree
iOS:
-> Extremely closed code
-> Still no real multitasking
-> No embedded Flash
-> Sucking UI for dorks
-> Nearly no UI modding possible

enatefox said:
i doubt this'll be of any use but i used to own an ATT Tilt (still do but my lover is in about 4 pieces of mechanical fail). I don't know if the HD2 has locked NAND or if you were looking to just replace Windows with Android (or preferably iOS4 which is clearly superior). I wasn't on Team Edward (or was it Jacob) that made the flashable NAND. I would suggest you ask them.
Here's a great guide on it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
and I'd talk to the devs that got that going because they rock
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iOS4 on HD2? is that even theoretically possible?

personally i dont give a donkeys 3rd leg if its possible or even probable. If a i0s4 rom was even thought up for the hd2, i would proceed to run my hd2 over with the heaviest item i could find, and then go buy a nexus, for which no one would even think of making an apple rom

I will point out I was kidding about iOS4 but unfortunately not about my broken Tilt =/
So anyhoo Tilt/Kaiser/Vogue devs got flashable Android on their Windows phones and I posted the link to the guide. I'd track them down (clearly with gps-based superdrones) and ask them for memory addresses, etc. you'd need to pull it off.
Also, I watched kingofyo1 boot an iPhone4 with both hands. I told him "hombre, you don't need both hands" and he made some crass remark about how it felt more natural. Or maybe I just made that up.. could've been g1bricked

enatefox said:
I will point out I was kidding about iOS4 but unfortunately not about my broken Tilt =/
So anyhoo Tilt/Kaiser/Vogue devs got flashable Android on their Windows phones and I posted the link to the guide. I'd track them down (clearly with gps-based superdrones) and ask them for memory addresses, etc. you'd need to pull it off.
Also, I watched kingofyo1 boot an iPhone4 with both hands. I told him "hombre, you don't need both hands" and he made some crass remark about how it felt more natural. Or maybe I just made that up.. could've been g1bricked
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yeah, probably g1bricked... only time ive held an iphone 4 was when one of my teachers was showin it off... i played with it for a sec, then told him it was total **** and he needed to sell it and get an android device... he promptly aced me for informing him about android

mda4man said:
But look at how out of control this forum has got, its suppose to be for development read the title.
in very simple terms the nand is what boots our windows mobile operating system. Right now we are launching our android builds through windows mobile on a linux kernel on our sd card. Once we have access to the nand android will become our operating system effectively. This means that when we turn our phone off then on it will be Android windows mobile will cease to exist. There is absolutely nothing us normal people can do riyght now to aid nand development. Cotulla is working on this and will update us with his progress next month. Until then all you need to no is people want nand porting because the Android os Will run quicker and more stable then when on the SD card
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I totally agree with you that in total, the forum could be much less filled with threads/posts that are not necessary if people actually read some FAQ or such.
But I think you really misunderstood what the OP (and maybe even I) was saying. Thanks for your explanation, but I was hoping for a little bit more of a technical explanation as to why there is no easy Nand access, yet. I am well aware of what it is and what it does (and what the benefits are of running Android from Nand), I was just curious about the underlying process of the "unlocking" (or whatever the correct technical term is). Is there an encryption to be broken, a "file system" to be imitated? Like I said before, I just ask these question because I think it's interesting to know, not in order to push anyone. I bought the HD2 as it is and I'm more than happy with anything that's being done with it
I think the OP was thinking about something like putting together computing resources, since he was talking about BruteForce.

considering i am a iphone owner and apart of there jailbreak community ,
i will honestly say that if this was the iphone forum where people didnt respect the rules , the jailbreak or unlock would never get released ..thats what they wait for , just how we wait for this android on nand , ..and when they do release it takes them months to prepair and maybe longer to create but its ,eaiser for them because there are always beta ios's coming out for them to see what they nedd to do , so ...either which a way ....leave it to the dev's

thatruth132 said:
considering i am a iphone owner and apart of there jailbreak community ,
i will honestly say that if this was the iphone forum where people didnt respect the rules , the jailbreak or unlock would never get released ..thats what they wait for , just how we wait for this android on nand , ..and when they do release it takes them months to prepair and maybe longer to create but its ,eaiser for them because there are always beta ios's coming out for them to see what they nedd to do , so ...either which a way ....leave it to the dev's
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Ummm....
I'm sorely confused by the shoddy punctuation of your post (?). Something about an Android living on an island called Nand, easier development for iOS (??), and disrespectful Apple forum trolls (???).
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Stripping Windows Mobile off the HD2 would be cool, but if you don't wan't Windows Mobile, why would you buy the highest end phone offered that has it? It would have been more logical to buy one of the dozens of Android phones on the market.
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Ummm....
I'm sorely confused by the shoddy punctuation of your post (?). Something about an Android living on an island called Nand, easier development for iOS (??), and disrespectful Apple forum trolls (???).
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Stripping Windows Mobile off the HD2 would be cool, but if you don't wan't Windows Mobile, why would you buy the highest end phone offered that has it? It would have been more logical to buy one of the dozens of Android phones on the market.
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well i got my hd2 for free so thats why i have one and using it for android
i do have bad punctuation , but basically what i was say was a reply to some one else post..i am backing off this thread ...bout to go make some runs need a new motherboard for my pc

Windows 6.5.X ROM ?

the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!

Have you ever thought of searching it?

eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?

eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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SWITCH, you won't regret it

amosher13 said:
SWITCH, you won't regret it
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x2, there are several WM converts on here that can assist you if you are looking for specific functions..Android has everything, just about.

mekeke said:
Have you ever thought of searching it?
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Yes i did..
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So you want to downgrade the Epic by installing WM6.5 on it? Just wait until the 7 Pro comes out, for the sake of sanity..please?
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I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(

I switched from a TP2, and if you search my name you can see how I went from all WM to several Android phones, and I went back in the Rhodium forums and had discussions about WP7, WM6.5, and Android compared.
I had no intention of switching. I had no interest in WP7. I loaded Android ROMS onto my Rhodium for fun. In our discussions I decided all hardcore WM fans shoudl naturally migrate to Android. The reason is because WP7 is not the XDA Windows that WM was. However Android is. It is like WM in that you can customize everything. It is unlike it only in the fact that we customize here more out of fun than need, because Android is way more inherantly stable. However everything from the dialer, to the lockscreen, to the homescreen, is natively customizable. You just download, install, and hit the 'default' check.
I would suggest you load an Android rom on your Rhodium and check it out.
BTW... I ended up with an Epic 4g bc it was most similar to the Rhodium, however HTC has done amazing work with Sense on Android. It's not a cover on Android, its its own system.

eazy2001x said:
Yes i did..
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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After making the switch to Android from the TP2, holy crap is WinMo garbage. Android is so much ridiculously better.

eazy2001x said:
I want no part of WM7
and to everyone else.. I just cant make the switch.. :-(
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Why so resistant to change? Do you miss the days of the telegraph? Do you wish you could drive a Model T? Flawed logic and resistance to advancement and change is just ludicrous. You may have liked WinMo 6.5, but it's a dead OS. Either go Android, WP7, or just get a plain non-smartphone ffs.

It's easy to find the ROM.
The real question is how are you going to install with your Windows 3.1 computer?

So the answer to my question is?? There is no WM 6.5.X rom?

no. there is not.

Hey, don't be so tough on the guy. I can see where he's coming from...
I was a Windows mobile guy myself (going back before it was put on a phone), and it wasn't easy to just give it up. What got me to switch... was playing with Android before even thinking of making a purchase.
I played around with the Android SDK Virtual for a few days (which I quickly realized was gimped until you start adding the Market and all the apps), but even with just the very basic shell, it was completely functional - moreso than WM.
So, my suggestion is to play with Virtual machine on your PC, or find a friend who will let you fiddle around with their phone. I'm pretty sure you will quickly change your mind.

I had to read this thread. My first thought when I saw the title was that it was a joke. I had come to the conclusion that I would keep my TP2 forever with the Energy roms on it... now it's a whole new world out there and I'm looking forward to all the developers here providing all the "play with" fun I can handle and not just making my phone work. The Epic is wonderful hardware...why hold it back?

Wait.. this was a serious post?.. dude trust me i came from a touch pro 2.. i flashed pretty much every single rom that was made for it an none of them come close to being as good as the epic stock.. i hve no doubt in my min you wont regret the switch
Tapatalkin' it from my EPIC 4g

eazy2001x said:
the only way i will get this phone is if there is a Windows 6.5.X rom for it. Does anyone know where i can get a custom ROM from? I want to upgrade from my Touch pro 2 and dont want to switch over to droid!
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While we are asking silly questions, is there anyone that can port a Rom of Windows Me for the Epic, so I can take a great OS and replace it for a giant steaming pile of crap.

There isn't one, and I don't think it's going to happen.
Windows Mobile is just dead. Microsoft killed it when they decided to ditch it for WP7.
It may be possible someone can get WP7 to run WM programs in some of compatibility layer similar to wine for unix. Of course in that same token, ARM is ARM, it should be similarly possible to get WM running in a virtual machine on Android, but a lot less likely. Mostly because, even though WP7 isn't WM, it is in fact still running on Windows CE.
So hypothetically it could be as simple as copying over some dll's from WM. It'll probably be a lot harder than that, and quite possibly too hard for the dev community that's left clinging to WM.
Unlike some people here, I have a lot of respect for your position. WM is an OS written for a handheld computer that had a phone added to it as an afterthought. I liked this, because I used it on PDA's before that. I even remember telling people, "one day your PDA, cell phone, and music player will all be the same thing".
While I'm just being silly, I tell you what I'd really like to see, and that's a netbook with a "snap in" (a piece of hardware) handset. We're already carrying around 5" devices, let's go on up to a netbook size, but have the phone part detachable. At this point I almost feel silly carrying around a laptop AND a smartphone, because there's so much redundancy. I'll just put the netbook in a manpurse and be done with it.
So anyway, back on topic, no there's not a WM ROM for the Epic, and I seriously doubt there will ever be. The reason simply boils down to drivers. There won't ever been any drivers written for Galaxy S hardware for WM, and writing drivers is really tough stuff. There probably aren't even that many people who know how to write WM drivers from scratch, let alone in the dev community. And it would take so many man hours you'd really need a team to do it before the hardware reached obsolescence.
You really have three options at this point. The first is to wean yourself off WM. Android really, really is linux running on a phone, with a pretty GUI. The GUI is so good that, until you really dig down into it, it's hard to realize that. Think about what you like about WM, and then see if you can get the same functionality out of Android. Almost everyone does if they give it an honest try.
The second is to see what Microsoft is going to offer you in terms of continued support for WM. There's some talk about them separating consumer mobile Windows (WP7S) from business mobile Windows. Motorola did the ES400, and more might follow. But that could be a tougher pill to swallow than swapping platforms. (More info here.)
The third is rely on the dev community to get virtualization or a compatibility layer for WP7 going, and hopefully mod the UI.
That's really it. I wish you the best. I decided like a lot of people here to swithch to Android, and I haven't regretted it one bit. The Epic is an amazing device. There's an Android learning curve, but it's really not that bad.

thank you for your reply.. Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7. also thank you to anyone who gave me a simple answer to my question.. "NO"..

eazy2001x said:
Ill just wait it out for the next big thing like the TP3 and hope that it comes out W/O Win7.
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Never buying a new phone again eh?

I just stumbled on this thread... HA. I came from the mogul->tp->tp2 and I am so glad I am rid of windows mobile. My wife has my old tp2, and I hate working on it now. Roms w/ android are just better all around.
Anything wimo can do android can do better.

Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7

Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7 !
This is just some of WP7 dissapointments which I experianced and why to revert back to WM 6.5 :
1. Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
2. Navigation looks like that children make it..Navigon is far primitive compared to Igo Primo.Lacks and mistakes are everywhere throughout it,very slow,not precise,no way to customise it...etc.etc.
3. Every kind of application has to be signed before any use or installation.
4. Zune software and bunch of unneccessery "addons" which comes in so called "Windows developer tools" to run from PC.You need to install Microsoft Expression,Zune,Microsoft games for marketplace,Microsoft Silverlight,3,4 SDKs,Visual studio Express..etc.etc.etc
5. Lack of easy access to documents,PDFs,files.Device become "Iphon-ised" and very "dummy".So,expensive device become dummy device.
6. Every kind of sync and use needs various hacks and registry modds.
7. Camera images looks like made by cheap 20$ idiot cameras.
8. No support for flash videos in browser.So,no Youtube.
9. Lack of "real" mighty programs....(I presume that it will be partialy fixed as time goes by)
10. No sharing SD cards between devices...
etc...etc...etc...
If you have to add something that I forget,please do and help to other users who are in doubt to flash WP7 or not.
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yeah, I have something to add.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814075

They promised Chinese IME since they release. Still nothing.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

To be honest, first time I've ran WP7 I thought this is a beta1 version. I haven't seen so many bugs and design flaws in any other mobile OS. It's a shame.

You realize half your complaints have to do with you running WP7 on a non WP7 device?

^^what he said

but i'm still dealing with it and waiting for the next update this Feb like MS announced

I am sure you are a frustrate buyer of an android phone , because i dont understand how the f. you compare a SO with some months in the market with winmo 6.5 or android or iphone who is established in the smartfone market years ago. Did you forget the begins of this " spectacularry " IPHONE or Android phones, and so manny bugs they have ????
Be patient my friend.The igo8 , primo, or sygic. or something gps about you talk have about 3-4 years acomodated in wm, and wm exist a long time ago.
Sorry but you cant see the future my friend .

tin2404 said:
Some things you should concider to think about before flash WP 7 !
This is just some of WP7 dissapointments which I experianced and why to revert back to WM 6.5 :
1. Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
2. Navigation looks like that children make it..Navigon is far primitive compared to Igo Primo.Lacks and mistakes are everywhere throughout it,very slow,not precise,no way to customise it...etc.etc.
3. Every kind of application has to be signed before any use or installation.
4. Zune software and bunch of unneccessery "addons" which comes in so called "Windows developer tools" to run from PC.You need to install Microsoft Expression,Zune,Microsoft games for marketplace,Microsoft Silverlight,3,4 SDKs,Visual studio Express..etc.etc.etc
5. Lack of easy access to documents,PDFs,files.Device become "Iphon-ised" and very "dummy".So,expensive device become dummy device.
6. Every kind of sync and use needs various hacks and registry modds.
7. Camera images looks like made by cheap 20$ idiot cameras.
8. No support for flash videos in browser.So,no Youtube.
9. Lack of "real" mighty programs....(I presume that it will be partialy fixed as time goes by)
10. No sharing SD cards between devices...
etc...etc...etc...
If you have to add something that I forget,please do and help to other users who are in doubt to flash WP7 or not.
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1. You will have activation issues when you try to run the OS on a non-supported phone. You ventured into it, so you have to deal with it.
2. For a 4 month old platform, WP7 is reasonably stable and bug free. Nothing, compared to the number of issues I had with my iPhone 2G.
3. Isn't that a good thing for a consumer-oriented device?
4. Zune, yes. Windows Dev Tools? NO. You have to deal with it because you want to unlock and sideload apps. That isn't a fault of WP7.
5. What is meant by "easy access"? I had been able to download a 1000+ page PDF doc and open in Adobe reader.
6. NO. Registry is not for you. If it was, MS would have built in a registry editor in WP7.
7. The pics I clicked were no different than the ones I clicked with Android. Yes, the shutter sound is irritating.
8. There is a YouTube app. No, two. One from HTC too.
9. I presume that it would be "fully" fixed as time goes by.
10. How many times would you want to use a $10 SD card in shared mode?

was going to write all that ^^ said but i dont think i could have done it any better.
You sound very bitter for someone trying to use software you dont have permission to use on a device that is unsupported, you clearly havent used the device much anyway and by the sounds of it you havent done very well with "cracking" it either because youtube is available on the marketplace or im sure if you look hard enough you will find some XAPs, is it Microsofts fault that you cant read instructions on some random website detailing step by step how to get this on your OLD HD2?
Please calm down take a brake and rename this thread because it is infact YOU that is creating confusion to people that might buy this OS.
Windows Phone 7 has had some storm of Missinformation and bad PR based on untruths and incompertance, you are feeding this with this utter nonsense

dazza9075 said:
was going to write all that ^^ said but i dont think i could have done it any better.
You sound very bitter for someone trying to use software you dont have permission to use on a device that is unsupported, you clearly havent used the device much anyway and by the sounds of it you havent done very well with "cracking" it either because youtube is available on the marketplace or im sure if you look hard enough you will find some XAPs, is it Microsofts fault that you cant read instructions on some random website detailing step by step how to get this on your OLD HD2?
Please calm down take a brake and rename this thread because it is infact YOU that is creating confusion to people that might buy this OS.
Windows Phone 7 has had some storm of Missinformation and bad PR based on untruths and incompertance, you are feeding this with this utter nonsense
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Agreed.
WP7 is VERY good for the first release of a new OS. I was seriously amazed by it. Can't wait for updates with multitasking and new features, and for when the homebrew community delves deeper in and we figure out more ways of customizing it.

Virtually all "lacks" of WP7 were officially known from the very beginning.
A disappointment is nothing else but a logical consequence if you start trying the new OS if you think it should have been "perfect" from scratch.
There are quite a few buyers of native WP7 devices with the same attitude, that´s something I completely don´t understand.
Considering the flawless port of WP7 to HD2, my first thoughts after installing WP7 were quite different: I never had any first release (of whatever OS on any smartphone I ever owned) which was even close to the smoothness and bugless functionality of WP7 on HD2. Yes, the camera app function is crappy, but then again, there is already an alternative solution from the devs.
We should be happy that thanks to devs, it was (and is) possible to run a trial on our current hardware for free - there is no other device on the market which has the power to offer the same.
I guess quite a few users will go for a native WP7 device sometime in the future, others will decide for Android, or iOS, whatever. But the good thing is, you can do it having had the chance to test over weeks or months.
And that´s the good thing about HD2: It will be my electronic companion for quite a few more months, most probably for a total of 2 years. No other smartphone was good for me for so much time ever before. My guess is that for the rest of the time, I will be doing more trials with Android and WP7, while WM 6.5 is a nice fallback solution.
Oh, and btw, Navigon Select runs nicely here. It is a basic version. The full one will only come during this summer, I was told by them.

Buy a supported device then come back and rewrite this post.

yshi41 said:
You realize half your complaints have to do with you running WP7 on a non WP7 device?
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Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7

I think MS did a really good job with WP7.
Just think about how iOS and Android behaved first year on the market ?!?
I´m a strong beliver of Android (even a mod on forums), but WP7 really is interesting

tin2404 said:
Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
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But it doesn't run as good on the HD2... touchscreen doesn't work as well on hd2. Once the registry is known more and native devices start getting custom roms, it'll probably run faster on native phones.

tin2404 said:
Yes,and I realise that HD2 is faster on WP7 than HD7
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It's not just a matter of performance sir

mikkybukky82 said:
Buy a supported device then come back and rewrite this post.
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that's such a weak argument, is virtually the same thing.
I have not experienced anything on my HD2 that an HD7 wouldn't do exactly the same except at times multi-touch goes weird. Any of the custom ROMs have most issues solved and have the registry edits cooked in, so all you have to do is flash and enter your activation code, just as if you hard-reset a native WP7 device.
WP7 is nice and smooth and I like it and I'm very happy to be able to use it on my phone, but till Mango drops it does have some issues that are OS-wide that prevent me from using it as a total daily without booting into Android from SD at times. That's not a knock though, I'm amazed MS put together a product like this for a first release. After the Mango update we will have more apps, more games, more custom ROMs with probably ability to totally change the UI if we want.
and @ OPs opinion that:
Activation stuff from MS ( I do not wont and do not need to "activate" to somebody my allready expensive HD2 device).As I read on net,Microsoft will have new activation policy in next WP7 phone update,so,nether WP7 modded ROM would not be safe to install.
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what the hell does that even mean? you provide no evidence to this, just some nebulous claim that you "read on net." We all have activation keys and MS has no idea who has an HD7 or an HD2, so it's not like they can just stop allowing access to the Marketplace. They have been totally cool about giving us keys, but for some arbitrary reason will change that after an update? The HD2 crowd are buying apps and hyping up the OS, with seemingly no security issues at all, I haven't seen any pirated apps...
most of the OP's points are pretty worthless and flashing any of the custom ROMs eliminate any reg hacks or unlocking or anything.

orangekid said:
most of the OP's points are pretty worthless and flashing any of the custom ROMs eliminate any reg hacks or unlocking or anything.
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Completley agree, I was going to reply to OP and rip apart everything he has ignorantly moeaned abo9ut but everything has pretty much been said already.

I must admit im a firm follower of WM6.5 and i was very reluctant to change to WM7. Ive had WM7 on my HD2 now for 2 weeks and im really starting to get into it alot more. Now that i have activated marketplace with Microsoft (which by the way was an absolute piece of piss) ive got pretty much all the apps that i used on WM6.5 apart from my Garmin XT which i miss, but im sure someone in the coming months will sort it out. You should re-flash it back to your phone, Activate it and get used to syncing with Zune. You will get into it fella. Its mint.

[News] Windows Phone 8 on the HD2

Hi guys !
Firstly, this is a NEWS thread and we can still not say for 100% whether this news is true but..
Windows Phone 8 has been ported to the HD2 by DFT!
These are the sources I have looked at
https://twitter.com/CotullaCode
http://pocketnow.com/2012/11/29/windows-phone-8-htc-hd2
http://translate.google.com/transla....darkforcesteam.com.cn/thread-145281-1-1.html
http://www.darkforcesteam.com.cn/thread-145281-1-1.html
Let's hope for the best !
Cotulla has updated his twitter with more info so please check his twitter out !
And for now, Fingers Crossed !
:laugh:
P.S. I have a feeling that this may only be for the T-Mobile version of the HD2

WP8 may boot from SD
Sent from my HTC HD2 using xda app-developers app

You may also want to look at the thread a couple of posts below yours in which Cotulla himself has posted some info about it

Same thing I posted on the other thread.
There are going to be a mountain of problems getting the thing actually to work completely and reliably on WP8.
There is a huge difference between getting it to sort of boot and sort of work (easy), and making it something actually usable, reliable, and fast (very very hard).
UEFI loader might be done, but ACPI is going to be screwed, power management screwed, WiFi screwed, Bluetooth screwed, phone modem screwed, graphics not/partially GPU accelerated, audio hw codecs, video hw codecs... list is gonna go on and on.
There is gonna be a mountain of work ahead if u want to make such a ROM actually self-hostable, good luck with that.

Yes huge work and not sure many people are interested. WP8 on HD2, an old phone, still good but not quick enough for that. I'm happy with android rom and will not try WP8 on it.

I would like say it is very good news. HD2 never die

I hope so.
I think that will be WP8 for HD2, but not for everyday use. Just as Ubuntu or MeeGo.

might give this a try thanks

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DuffyLaad said:
might give this a try thanks
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I think stable Android is goog enough for HD2

WP8 will never work optimally on hd2
we shall see whether WP8 comes on hd2
Cotulla is testing the rom but it is far from certain that he is giving the rom to the public

Windows Phone 8 OS 8.0.97...
When it is available for download

That will be great to dual boot, from android to wp8

That sounds realy good!!!!!:laugh:

Windows Phone 7.8 is a little bit laggy on HD2. I deceide to go back to Android after a few day using it

I can't wait it any more

Nigeldg said:
You may also want to look at the thread a couple of posts below yours in which Cotulla himself has posted some info about it
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This thread will be closed as it is almost a duplicate of another thread.
Sorry guys i didn't see the Other threads