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hey all, i found this little guy floating around cyberspace and though maybe we should sign, who knows we can try right?
http://www.petitiononline.com/honey30/
Why? It will be released when it's ready.
This is dumb. Why would they release it before its done?
People are angry because the xoom has honeycomb, and honeycomb hasnt been released.
The xoom has an unfinished build of honeycomb. The SD card slot doesn't even work yet.
Also, when you say things like "found this floating around", when in reality you actually created it yourself... That doesn't help you gain any support.
Yea because google is somehow required to release honeycomb to the public, grow up
Okay, I know that everyone is infuriated by this petition. But there are still many devs that would enjoy making the source better by working on it now. Not to mention larger companies would like to have the source like barnes and noble and notion ink. It would just be nice if google posted the source with a disclaimker kf its problems
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Lakers16 said:
This is dumb. Why would they release it before its done?
People are angry because the xoom has honeycomb, and honeycomb hasnt been released.
The xoom has an unfinished build of honeycomb. The SD card slot doesn't even work yet.
Also, when you say things like "found this floating around", when in reality you actually created it yourself... That doesn't help you gain any support.
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Totally agree with you...
Google have some very good reasons for not releasing the source code. Mainly it's because of a key change in their strategy AGAINST the open source nature you love.
They are worried about issues like fragmentation and want to ensure anyone picking up an android device will feel its a 'high quality' device. By releasing the source code anyone can do what they like with it and some devices will fail badly. This makes android look bad. By keeping the source code in house Google can control who develops it and who can use it in their devices. This is all an attempt to maintain a 'high quality' feel to devices running android.
I know this goes against the open source nature everyone says Google has but at the end of the day they REALLY want to dominate the mobile OS war. I dont think a little online petition will send them running to think about their actions and then return to hand over the source code.
Agreed its unfinished. Why would you release code on an unfinished product? This is not about open source or fragmentation, blah blah blah. Its the fact they shoehorned Android on a tablet to compete with the iPad. When the code is finished they'll release it. For now we have gingerbread
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Google have some very good reasons for not releasing the source code. Mainly it's because of a key change in their strategy AGAINST the open source nature you love.
They are worried about issues like fragmentation and want to ensure anyone picking up an android device will feel its a 'high quality' device. By releasing the source code anyone can do what they like with it and some devices will fail badly. This makes android look bad. By keeping the source code in house Google can control who develops it and who can use it in their devices. This is all an attempt to maintain a 'high quality' feel to devices running android.
I know this goes against the open source nature everyone says Google has but at the end of the day they REALLY want to dominate the mobile OS war. I dont think a little online petition will send them running to think about their actions and then return to hand over the source code.
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What? You are completely wrong.
Honeycomb ISNT FINISHED. It has nothing to do with fragmentation. Google's new stance wont even effect the end user or even rom devs much, its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
The honeycomb source will be released when its good and ready. I'm pretty sure Google are required by law to release it anywany so just be patient.
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its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
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Galaxy Tab 8.9 and the new 10.1 have TouchJizz 4.0 all over them.
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its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
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Its actually to discourage them from doing it.
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What? You are completely wrong.
Honeycomb ISNT FINISHED. It has nothing to do with fragmentation. Google's new stance wont even effect the end user or even rom devs much, its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
The honeycomb source will be released when its good and ready. I'm pretty sure Google are required by law to release it anywany so just be patient.
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Completely wrong! The chief editor of engadget agrees that there is huge pressure for Google to change their strategy. Have a look at this article he wrote...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/09/editorial-androids-problem-isnt-fragmentation-its-contamina/
He says exactly the same as me, except I took it one step further by suggesting this is the reason Honeycomb hasn't been released yet. I agree with you that honeycomb still has improvements to be made before its source is released. I just don't believe that's all there is to it. There are other considerations too!
Also note this was released today, after my my comment was made
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Galaxy Tab 8.9 and the new 10.1 have TouchJizz 4.0 all over them.
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The touchwiz ux on the tabs looks real nice. Much easier to tell what some things do. Just my opinion.
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Cyanogen himself said Honeycomb was probably a pile of hacks. Google needs to clean it up a little before we get a bunch of half assed horrible android tablets. I just wish they would put a hardware requirement and requires companies to update their devices at least once (like 2.2 -> 2.3) in a timely manner (like 2-3 months after the code is pushed to AOSP)
http://www.indiegogo.com/atlaz
Just a quick on. Would you devs and general hackers be interested in cheaper alternitive?
Same specs just won't look as nice. and probably only do HDMI out instead of speaker outputs. Also made in china to drive down the cost.
Im in the process of getting a prototype worked up.
Anybody interested?
Here is a question for you.
Would you be happy to buy it at cost price or a slightly inflated price where I could then send free devices to developers?
I do not wish nor want to make money on this product.
sounds good
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Just a quick on. Would you devs and general hackers be interested in cheaper alternitive?
Same specs just won't look as nice. and probably only do HDMI out instead of speaker outputs. Also made in china to drive down the cost.
Im in the process of getting a prototype worked up.
Anybody interested?
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yeah big time but its gotta really hit the price point of a google TV to be logical...
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what price point are you aiming for?
Sub-$100, I would be interested.
Hoping for sub $200 but I will try and drive the price down as low as I can. It will have the same CPU/GPU as the Nexus Q and if possible same WiFi Bluetooth and NFC chip to avoid and driver issues when you great developers do a straight up port.
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yeah it would need to run the same components. i don't see devs going out and buying the model that is basically a knock off and supporting it (no offence, i would love your knock off version). I would be curious as to if removing the amp would mess that kinda stuff up? i suggest you talk with devs first and see. I feel as if the amp is a lackluster, and extra cost feature not really needed as buying a external sound system is cheap these days.
all in all i love your idea and would like more updates on where your at!
thanks!
The product was never designed to be a knock off of the Nexus Q. It just so happens that they have the same basic hardware. This device was intended to be a Android Media Player that was running crap hardware. I watched I/O and seen the beautiful device and after looking at it realised its the same CPU/GPU and the idea sprung to mind. I don't want to market it as a knock off Nexus Q but a Android Media player with hack-ability that can if you so wish, pretend to be a Nexus Q in terms of software.
sorry didnt mean to knock you like that saying "knock off" haha that has a bad sense that comes with it. let me rephrase. if you could produce a device that would run the exact same software, Dev ports as well, i would snatch that up in a heartbeat as i feel the development on the Q will be greater with google pumping out 6,000 of these devices to devs at I/O.
are you thinking of starting a kickstarter? if you plan to jump into anything like that please post the link so i can check it all out!
If you need someone to bounce ideas off of im open to comment and try to help. im an aspiring dual major in CGT and entrepreneurial class so if you wanted some models or business ideas im down to talk.
Quick update on the price point. I think it will be impossible to do this for sub $100. The processor in the device itself is costing $60 alone.
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Quick update on the price point. I think it will be impossible to do this for sub $100. The processor in the device itself is costing $60 alone.
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cant work on mass orders at lower cost? that seems high but i guess i could be wrong =P
I think two versions could have some success:
1. Basically same parts, exact clone except the design and maybe the lack of an amp and fancy leds. Basically you can run the same Rom without any bigger Modifications. At least 30% cheaper.
2. Heavily striped down version with another soc, no nfc, maybe even no bt. Just hdmi, mains and audio. Allwinner A10 comes into mind. Pricetag under ~$90.
The Tegra3 is rumored to cost $25 in the Nexus 7, if you can get descent quantity order i think the omap should be in that price range too.
Currently my order is only 1000 orders. Because I have to way to guarantee I can even move that amount! Currently working on a kickstarter style project page.
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Definitely interested in an open alternative to the Q.
You should definitely try Kickstarter for this. You should be able to get a large order to drive down the price if its popular enough
I am not sure what market you are targeting with your planned android media player.
With a built in speaker amp, the Nexus Q differentiates itself from the pack. As such, it can compete in the Sonos type markets, and in markets like all of the "iPod Docks" that you see littered in cubicles everywhere. Considering Sonos charges $350+ and Bose charges $250+, the Q can be considered somewhat competitive, considering it's Made in America status.
By removing the amp, now you are turning it into a Google TV / Apple TV / Roku / WDTV Live / etc competitor. This is a very intense market, and if you can't get the made in china price under $100, I think it will be hard to compete. (And there are already small / cheap devices that plug into a TV: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/18/3028202/mk802-android-usb-hdmi-stick )
As I said the CPU im looking at $60 before shipping. I plan to sell the the device at cost + shipping. Their is a kickstarter page coming (Not actually kickstarter as im not in the US)
The AMP is of no use to me as the device would go into my current setup.
Also being almost deaf I personally have no use for it :laugh:
How's this coming out???!?! I'd like to see where this goes I'm interested
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OUYA might have beat you to it... yes it a gaming system but its 100% open... so just port jellybean to it and you looking at a pretty nice little media box...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
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I'm well aware QUYA? Has absolutely smashed their target and probably any chance this device would take off. However if OK able to get enough interest I can order in numbers where I the cost is low enough. In the mean time I'm waiting on some renders before I publish a crowd source funded page.
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while i am backing the OUYA, i am still interested on seeing what you have brouught to the table! please update asap!
Here is my update.
http://www.indiegogo.com/atlaz
Also link now on OP.
Is it just that the apps are not meant for a 10 inch screen? I just don't see why every review I read is that the apps are just awful for the Nexus. Can anyone who uses both Apple and android respond? I'm strictly android....
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Is it just that the apps are not meant for a 10 inch screen? I just don't see why every review I read is that the apps are just awful for the Nexus. Can anyone who uses both Apple and android respond? I'm strictly android....
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A great example is Facebook. Look at FB on the iPad vs an Android tab. There are a few others that I can't think of but as Android tablets gain popularity (and they are), the market will push developers to develop for the 10 inch platform.
Also, they apps on the N10 really are not that bad.
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A great example is Facebook. Look at FB on the iPad vs an Android tab. There are a few others that I can't think of but as Android tablets gain popularity (and they are), the market will push developers to develop for the 10 inch platform.
Also, they apps on the N10 really are not that bad.
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The Weather Channel and ESPN Scorecenter are great examples as well.
I don't require many apps for my tablet, but Android has horrible options when it comes to sports apps made for big screens. It is just awful. As far as weather you should try weather bug for tablets
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I don't require many apps for my tablet, but Android has horrible options when it comes to sports apps made for big screens. It is just awful. As far as weather you should try weather bug for tablets
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Yea, sports apps. I forgot about them since I stopped installing them on my tablet because they were so bad
Agree with the others. The guy on The Verge hit it on the nose. Android tabs will be a bust until the app ecosystem is improved. The Facebook app is a great example of an app looking great on the iPad (even though I hate the layout) but looking/working like crap on Android. Hopefully this changes soon.
We have so many great Android developers but hardly any Android APP developers :/
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Agree with the others. The guy on The Verge hit it on the nose. Android tabs will be a bust until the app ecosystem is improved. The Facebook app is a great example of an app looking great on the iPad (even though I hate the layout) but looking/working like crap on Android. Hopefully this changes soon.
We have so many great Android developers but hardly any Android APP developers :/
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Paper is major one for me.
The thing I have heard is... If you mostly use Google apps they all look amazing. This perfectly describes me, so it won't be a problem. No need for weather apps when I have a widget and no need for sports when I got Google now cards updating me.
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SwiftLegend said:
Agree with the others. The guy on The Verge hit it on the nose. Android tabs will be a bust until the app ecosystem is improved. The Facebook app is a great example of an app looking great on the iPad (even though I hate the layout) but looking/working like crap on Android. Hopefully this changes soon.
We have so many great Android developers but hardly any Android APP developers :/
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Hasn't Facebook already been described as poor for Android on all devices, never mind tablets.
In fact I seem to remember something about Facebook doing a complete refresh of the Android version only a few months ago. I expect this is due any day.
Now they throw ads in your face, I prefer my timeline widget (AP widgets) anyway. No ads get displayed. I hardly open the Facebook app.
Besides, opening the FB website via a browser (with desktop mode enabled) gives you far more control than the app on any other platform, including ipads.
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Cinemagram.
Its not the paid apps that hold it back IMO.
Most people use the same sites. Just want tablet versions of eBay amazon Expedia Facebook twitter. We get these others will follow...
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SwiftLegend said:
Agree with the others. The guy on The Verge hit it on the nose. Android tabs will be a bust until the app ecosystem is improved. The Facebook app is a great example of an app looking great on the iPad (even though I hate the layout) but looking/working like crap on Android. Hopefully this changes soon.
We have so many great Android developers but hardly any Android APP developers :/
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Verge has no right to talk about app ecosystem when their own app is a messy ****. I don't care about reviews who scores while testing the device for just few hours. I think something seriously wrong with android app developers. They are lazy, unimaginative. Google has given very clear guidelines about app development. But most devs would just create a wonky iOS_like application. Google is too generous. They should clearly block such apps from getting to the play store. I will rather take a good 10,000 apps compared to pathetic 700,000 apps that we have now. when apps have the capability to scale properly as per the size/resolution, why don't they make proper use of it? if the app developers are lazy, they don't deserve anyone's money.
I'm curious, why don't BIG COMPANIES make tablet apps for Android? I mean we're talking about FB, Twitter etc. You'd think at least the big apps would have droid tab apps by now.
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I'm curious, why don't BIG COMPANIES make tablet apps for Android? I mean we're talking about FB, Twitter etc. You'd think at least the big apps would have droid tab apps by now.
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Good point. As for FB/Twitter, it's an interesting case. G+ is a competitor for both. Actually this should be even more incentive for the social networking giants to release a great app for Android platform. Obviously at certain point G+ will start gaining because of it's wonderful integration with Android. They should come up with proper native app for Android.
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I'm curious, why don't BIG COMPANIES make tablet apps for Android? I mean we're talking about FB, Twitter etc. You'd think at least the big apps would have droid tab apps by now.
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OK, I only know FB from looking over my gf's shoulder from time to time, but what could an app have to offer on a 10" display that would make you choose it over the web page? In my view even on my N7 online community pages (including this one) are better viewed through a browser than the dedicated app.
One exception would be fast user switching support like in the twitter app.
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OK, I only know FB from looking over my gf's shoulder from time to time, but what could an app have to offer on a 10" display that would make you choose it over the web page? In my view even on my N7 online community pages (including this one) are better viewed through a browser than the dedicated app.
One exception would be fast user switching support like in the twitter app.
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A couple of things come to mind: multi-touch gestures (maybe web pages can offer this, but most don't), being able to access the app without being online, and -admittedly this is just out of habit though- I simply prefer opening and app to a webpage.
iOS on iPad actually has some really nice features. The stock keyboard can be made into the split keyboard, you can close an app with a gesture (pinch with 5 fingers), switch between apps by swiping with 3 fingers (I believe) from the edge. Just feels very polished and cohesive.
I still prefer Android but iOS does do a lot of things that make it feels really nice.
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Verge has no right to talk about app ecosystem when their own app is a messy ****. I don't care about reviews who scores while testing the device for just few hours. I think something seriously wrong with android app developers. They are lazy, unimaginative. Google has given very clear guidelines about app development. But most devs would just create a wonky iOS_like application. Google is too generous. They should clearly block such apps from getting to the play store. I will rather take a good 10,000 apps compared to pathetic 700,000 apps that we have now. when apps have the capability to scale properly as per the size/resolution, why don't they make proper use of it? if the app developers are lazy, they don't deserve anyone's money.
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It's not lazy,
If you want to pay for my time to update our apps to support the 5% or so customers on tablets, I'm sure my company would be happy for you to do that.
At the moment, any time I suggest it, it gets shot down cause my time (and their money) is better spent on the other 95% if customers.
I would love for that to change, cause I hate crappy apps on my tablets, but these apps don't write themselves and somebody has to pay for it.
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It's not lazy,
If you want to pay for my time to update our apps to support the 5% or so customers on tablets, I'm sure my company would be happy for you to do that.
At the moment, any time I suggest it, it gets shot down cause my time (and their money) is better spent on the other 95% if customers.
I would love for that to change, cause I hate crappy apps on my tablets, but these apps don't write themselves and somebody has to pay for it.
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Maybe there's only 5% traffic from Android over iOS BECAUSE the app sucks and not the other way around?
iOS appears more polished because it's been exactly the same since it's initial release. The "updates" they roll out offer no real value, it's all "nice to haves" like 5 finger swipe for close..... I presume apple would now sue Google if they used this in Android.........
Or they will give you a feature that you should of had since day one, I.E MMS didn't come to iOS for ages, then when it finally arrived all the Apple users all got excited..........What's wrong with emailing images? It's free....... :\
Google actually realease beneficial changes in Android updates - NFC control where hardware avaliable, USB OTG drivers, better task management etc - They improve the OS behind the scenes and try to make it faster, smarter.
I find tablet apps are improving a lot on the Play Store now - Agreed there isn't much avaliable in the ways of sports apps. The Sky Sports News Center on iOS is way better than Sky Sports News on Android . Then again this is not Android/ Google's fault. It's way easier to submit an app for Android than it is iOS so it's the developers who are bottle necking the market here. Also - Facebook for Android is being re-based and taken away from HTML 5 (Which IIRC is actually prefered for Android - must be something to do with Facebook server side). So hopfully we will see a big change soon !
On the plus side - if you have the know how,. There's nothing stopping you getting the Android SDK writing your own app and installing on your tablet. Obviously on an Apple product this is not possible without a jail break , heaven forbid if you might want to use a piece of hardware that you own to run your own software! You can do this on Android - out the box, no root required (but you already knew that )
I used to have a Iphone 3Gs and now have a HTC ONE X and a Cube U30Gt (Nexus 10 coming) I would never go back to iOS. I have a very strong, but very biased opinion on the apple vs google front so I have probably been a bit unfair to Apple here......... Then again I have used both brands on many occasions so the end user experience is there.
I just dont like the idea of having to void the warrenty to be able to use a product to it's full potential - which with apple you have to do.
I think the question here should be.....What does Android have that Apple doesn't? - I could write a list as long as my arm
I assume everyone saw this article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...art-WATCH-makes-calls-comes-built-camera.html. What an achievement ahead of the main companies fighting for this area of the market. The watch looks like it has been designed well from the images, allbeit perhaps a little large. The price of £150 seems extremely reasonable. Let me know your thoughts.
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I assume everyone saw this article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...art-WATCH-makes-calls-comes-built-camera.html. What an achievement ahead of the main companies fighting for this area of the market. The watch looks like it has been designed well from the images, allbeit perhaps a little large. The price of £150 seems extremely reasonable. Let me know your thoughts.
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That's the Z1 Rock watch, or a clone of it. Literally almost identical. Check the specs on my site here. It's very very old news, and was not the first device to run a standalone OS, or even the first to run android.
Is it neat? Sure. It's also HUGE though, and runs an older version of Android than the ACTV, which came out before this one. As for the price, currently, 150 pounds equates to about 227 US dollars, and for that price, I'd rather have the actv I think.
"Teenager tries to take credit for someone elses Smart Watch"
There, fixed the title. This is an open source (I guess that's what they call it) watch body. The chinese company makes the watch, buyers who commit to massive quantities can choose color, logo, and name to sell as their own.
This watch in the past has been branded as the Z1 watch and the Vega Watch. It's not new..at all. And it's quite frankly not a very good watch phone. As ClearD was talking about the Motoactv just slays this thing in terms of power.
Is this the same as Neptune Pine? http://www.neptunepine.com/product.html
Eitherway, its a wrist phone, not a smart watch. The whole idea of smart watch is to be a remote extension of the smart phone, not a replacement of it. You get notification, and decide if you want to act on it. In my opinion, wrist watch is a different category. Beside, I'm not sure if I would find it too healthy to wear most of the day 3G receiver/transmitter on my wrist with all that electromagnetic waves circulation At least with my smart phone its either on a dash board mount in the car when I'm driving, or the desk away from me when I'm at work, or somewhere on a table at home. Smart watch is just a bluetooth gadget
Nah, the Neptune pine is way better. Like... In every aspect. Lol
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I would not mind trying it out if a developer helps out. Not on AT&T so how useful the phone would be is something I am uncertain about.
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Nah, the Neptune pine is way better. Like... In every aspect. Lol
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The Neptune Pine looks too good to be true and smells like vaporware.
Tapatalked from my Galaxy Note 8.0
Just got an email about it for preorder,looks intriguing!
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The story sounds very familiar to the Neptune Pine kid. Except this one looks way better:
http://qz.com/53508/neptune-smartph...one-watch-could-beat-apples-iwatch-to-market/
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Here is a list of smartwatches from SHENZHEN HOP INDUSTRIALCO.,LTD. It contains four Android based smartwatches (EC308, EC309, EC408 and EC409).
Google Docs does not format correctly so download for proper viewing.
I will let you know now that Orsto were trying to pass off the Dynamic (EC309) and Bliss (EC316) models as their own on a crowdfunding site. They are still trying to pass off the Bliss (EC316) as an Orsto product.
*I am not trying to sell any of these devices. This is the only full catalog I have for Hopu devices and posted it for reference purposes only.
Thats the one thing I don't like about crowd funding sites; too easy for some scammer to pass off these wholesale products as their own.
Here is the "A.I Smartwatch," aka the Ec308/309. Whats funny is their marketing images don't even consistently show the same watch
Is it just me, or don't these things look pretty hideous?
Ripping off windows mobile start screens, with a generous dose of kitsch added? The watch faces look particularly scary. I guess there isn't going to be an Omate style stretch goal face off, lol.
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I will let you know now that Orsto were trying to pass off the Dynamic (EC309) and Bliss (EC316) models as their own on a crowdfunding site. They are still trying to pass off the Bliss (EC316) as an Orsto product.
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I don't even see Orsto X1 on IGG anymore. Was it even fully or partially funded?
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Thats the one thing I don't like about crowd funding sites; too easy for some scammer to pass off these wholesale products as their own.
Here is the "A.I Smartwatch," aka the Ec308/309. Whats funny is their marketing images don't even consistently show the same watch
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I publicly posted on their FB page that it is an EC308/309. Also posted that it doesn't come with official Play Store support as the "inventor" claims.
UPDATE- AI Watch just deleted my comment and locked their FB post. Truth hurts
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Is it just me, or don't these things look pretty hideous?
Ripping off windows mobile start screens, with a generous dose of kitsch added? The watch faces look particularly scary. I guess there isn't going to be an Omate style stretch goal face off, lol.
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It's a WP launcher.
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I don't even see Orsto X1 on IGG anymore. Was it even fully or partially funded?
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They got pulled from IGG. That's why Orsto is over on another crowdfunding site claiming another smartwatch as theirs.
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...They got pulled from IGG. That's why Orsto is over on another crowdfunding site claiming another smartwatch as theirs.
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Since they weren't on KS or IGG, which site are they on? But either way, what a scam! Hopefully by now consumers are more educated about smartwatches and these crooks will never get fully funded. Only those with true innovation get word of mouth which drives success of crowdfunding.
Thanks for that pdf info. For sure EC308/309 and EC408/409 looks interesting. What I noticed is their x09 versions add an option for tri-band WCDMA. I tried googling the subject and majority of answers point to not compatible with Verizon. Most likely its a same chipset as used by Omate. Kind of sad that I'm stuck with Verizon...
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Thats the one thing I don't like about crowd funding sites; too easy for some scammer to pass off these wholesale products as their own.
Here is the "A.I Smartwatch," aka the Ec308/309. Whats funny is their marketing images don't even consistently show the same watch
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Btw, the guy behind AI Swartwatch campaign is starting to spam forums with "hey, look at this cool new smartphone". Already been spotted on AndroidForums where his post got deleted and he was banned. I would not be surprised if he is going to show up on XDA lol!!!
Looks like he some how got a story on Engaget. Guessing one or two of you guys are on there. http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/29/ai-android-smartwatch-indiegogo/ He's trying to claim he is using the EC309 as a shell/prototype.
I already bought this smartwatch here http://www.watchmobilephone.com/vapirius_ax2.htm as a Vapirius AX2. It's not bad but it is missing a menu button pretty badly. There is some kind of soft menu button in the notification area but it is a gimmick...
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BBowermaster said:
He's trying to claim he is using the EC309 as a shell/prototype.
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Not according to my conversation with him. "the hardware are not close to the Ec309"
He also seems to be of the opinion that a custom ROM makes it a completely different device.
To add even more to the mix regarding the A.I. Watch, almost all the photos of models wearing it are shopped. http://imgur.com/a/P5aIE
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http://imgur.com/a/P5aIE
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lol, thanks for the morning laugh.
I'm just here to say I just backed a new smartwatched called 'AI'... Haha just kidding, I actually pre-ordered the Neptune Pine.
Seriously though, with all the scamming surrounding smartwatches. I'm actually glad I held back from backing Omate. Sad but true. I haven't seen them immerse the omate in water. I haven't even seen them demonstrate "the running of various apps" to determine whether their claim that 90% of the play store actually worked with their device. I have the motoactv for reference, but even this device has flaws running certain apps, especially bluetooth related ones. In certain apps you can't see everything because of screen size, others simply wont run and force closes etc etc. Needless to say, i still love my motoactv.
Omate has shown a working prototype and has even done live interviews (cnbc), but I remain skeptical. Where is the hole for the microphone and speaker located? How well can the other person hear you? For reference, I know Omate did a demo of a phone call, but within the demo you could actually hear the caller nearby if you listen closely. I have faith in omate, but i cant say i have strong faith. I won't be surprised if the product releases later than expected. And if it doesn't release at all, I won't be surprised, but i hope that it actually gets released so i could get my grubby hands on this awesome concept of a product.
@savaged: Wait, with all the info and discussions about Omate vs Neptune Pine, you suggesting Omate is scamming us and thus you decided to fund Pine?!? Honestly, this is the first one I heard so far on XDA or anywhere else... Unless you pulling our legs, Good luck!
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@savaged: Wait, with all the info and discussions about Omate vs Neptune Pine, you suggesting Omate is scamming us and thus you decided to fund Pine?!? Honestly, this is the first one I heard so far on XDA or anywhere else... Unless you pulling our legs, Good luck!
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lol no, I'm not funding Neptune Pine, it was a joke. After observing the Omate discussions, I realize that Neptune Pine is highly likely to be vaporware. And well, from the looks of it, Omate isn't scamming anyone. I'm just a bit disappointed with them. They aren't showing off their goods properly. It leaves a lot of room for skepticism. Just like everyone else, I'm pretty anxious to see it.
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Not according to my conversation with him. "the hardware are not close to the Ec309"
He also seems to be of the opinion that a custom ROM makes it a completely different device.
To add even more to the mix regarding the A.I. Watch, almost all the photos of models wearing it are shopped. http://imgur.com/a/P5aIE
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that link sends me to a empty gallery :S I'm a little worried as I pre ordered the base model off their campain then realised it is a watch i'd seen before on watchmobile the ax2 >.< so I dont know what to do now.
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that link sends me to a empty gallery :S I'm a little worried as I pre ordered the base model off their campain then realised it is a watch i'd seen before on watchmobile the ax2 >.< so I dont know what to do now.
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Did you preorder via the website or pledge on Indiegogo? If you pledged on Indiegogo you can always cancel your pledge. As far as the images, here is a direct link to one of the original images.
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Did you preorder via the website or pledge on Indiegogo? If you pledged on Indiegogo you can always cancel your pledge. As far as the images, here is a direct link to one of the original images.
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Wow that is hilarious! Didn't see that original picture before!
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Wow that is hilarious! Didn't see that original picture before!
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Almost all his stills on the main campaign page are shopped. :laugh:
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Did you preorder via the website or pledge on Indiegogo? If you pledged on Indiegogo you can always cancel your pledge. As far as the images, here is a direct link to one of the original images.
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I pre ordered on indiegogo I didnt know they have a site? Also how would I get a refund on indiegogo? it charged my card as soon as I pre ordered.
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I did a hands-on (in german) of the EC308 or Vapirius AX2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzbaRG8wslM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUjLvP7zL2M8-9AtRtQ4gUCw
If fact, a good SmartWatch. BUT the inpout is horrible. Using Fleksy-Keyboard is better, but does not work if you rae using german language
Will do a longer review soon.
I'd like to ask, does anyone have any info about the Hopu EC408/EC409 models? Do they really ship (or - from where - I only found something on alibaba.com with not much info to it -> anyone have any experience there?). I'm quite surprised that there is no review/no youtube demonstration of them etc. I've been looking into 'smart watch phones' for quite some time and these look the best for me - especially I like the fact that it can be detached from the strap (or so it seems from images) - unlike devices like O. Truesmart / Callisto 100... which have antennas in their straps.
So, pls, does anyone know something more to these 'watches'? (or do you know about sth. similar to them?)
(Maybe, is there some list of watches like this? I wrote down a few for my future reference:
with 2G/3G functionality:
omate truesmart
Iconbit Callisto 100
xTouch Wave
burg 17
zgpax S5
Hopu EC409
sWaP (Hopu?) EC308/EC309
A.I. Watch
Exetech XS-3
Pearl Simvalley AW-414/AW-420/AW-421
without sim slot:
galaxy gear
motorola motoactv
sony smartwatch 2
smartQ Z Watch
I'm watch
geak watch
uplay z3