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i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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noobnl told me that he and others were doing everything they could to use RFS only. If those guys don't want EXT4 then there's definitely something up...
Mine's more responsive than its ever been (except for screen rotate) running quantum 2.7 EXT4 and xjman's modified libdvm.so. personally, I think the whole "EXT4 will kill your phone" stuff is a kneejerk reaction to a non-issue. Those of us that are reflashing a few times a week via odin or updating roms through cwm are going to wear the NAND more than simply running EXT4. :shrug: personally, I'm going to continue to run EXT4 and I'm not going to loose a wink of sleep over it.
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SubnetMask said:
Mine's more responsive than its ever been (except for screen rotate) running quantum 2.7 EXT4 and xjman's modified libdvm.so. personally, I think the whole "EXT4 will kill your phone" stuff is a kneejerk reaction to a non-issue. Those of us that are reflashing a few times a week via odin or updating roms through cwm are going to wear the NAND more than simply running EXT4. :shrug: personally, I'm going to continue to run EXT4 and I'm not going to loose a wink of sleep over it.
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I don't have any issues. Infact I've seen improvements
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ksmullins88 said:
i cant stand EXT4. every rom i tried with it just seemed way laggier than i ever experienced with RFS.
my issues have been my battery draining a lot quicker, mms sometimes wont send, takes forever to get a GPS lock, sound stutters (music and notifications), games lag... and other ones i cant think of at the moment,
ive tried Quantum, Bonsai, and Viper. they just seem much more buggy to me on EXT4. so im switching back to RFS.
anyone else have these issues?
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Maybe you should try odining a different "version" of dk28. I know dameon mentioned stuff about certain preparations of dk28 not working well.
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Its just way too much flashing, more steps and headache in EXT4 or maybe im just lazy. I like simple that's why i will stay with RFS.
ive gone back to eclair with syndicate rom and xtreme kernal. Froyo and / or EXT4 are not ready for primetime yet IMO
EXT4 lags for me as well so I'm in the process of going back to RFS as I type this. Actually starting over from DI18 and videoing it as well
I love Ext4. Made my phone more responsive along with the custom lib. I don't really see where it's that much more flashing once you install it you are done.
I've given ext4 a shot for about a week with a few different roms, and I'm not impressed at all. Seems to run worse.
Actually, I'm getting sick of DK28 in general. I think it's time to go back to 2.1.
No problems for me at all. Runs better if anything. Running Nebula ROM 1.06
I like EXT4 myself...I dont think we should go backwards,this is improvment plain and simple.
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I switched to EXT4 as soon as it came out and I have seen nothing but improvements. Have you tried the midNIGHT ROM? ptfdmedic's stuff runs as smooth as glass.
DK28 in general is not that great (it is unfinished afterall) and i've been back on 2.1 for some time now and the difference is like night and day. Battery actually lasts, phone is responsive, GPS performs much better, e.t.c.
Those eschewing the valour of EXT4 and DK28, kudos to you, but it is not great in my opinion having been through it all.
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noobnl told me that he and others were doing everything they could to use RFS only. If those guys don't want EXT4 then there's definitely something up...
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It's a war of egos, nothing more. This is demonstrated by the complete lack of definitive proof offered in the argument (and I've been present for a lot more detailed arguments in IRC about the subject between noobnl and Dameon than have been present on this forum).
One side of the argument consists almost solely of "Well then why doesn't the Nexus S use EXT4 for the system directory?" on one side and "EXT4 performs better and has not been proven to perform more writes."
I have a lot of respect for noobnl and his contributions to the community, but you can't make a statement that EXT4 is going to cause people's phones to fail and not back it up with any kind of real logic or proof. However, counter-arguments from some very well-informed individuals have been made citing plenty of evidence that EXT4 will not harm your phone.
And lastly, you risk your phone every time you flash a ROM... something could go wrong, and you could brick your phone. This is much more of a risk than accelerated NAND block corruption is. We're not going to stop flashing our phones though, are we?
Regarding the OP regarding EXT4 performance, mine runs flawlessly. I haven't seen the stuttering some people have been reporting, my battery performance seems about even with RFS if not perhaps slightly higher, and perhaps it's my imagination but the phone seems ever-so-slightly more responsive. I've also checked my bad block count a few times over the last week and a half and I have the same number I did the day after I switched to EXT4. I've got no reason to go back to RFS...
Maybe the performance difference for people is no_journal mod vs those without the mod. I'm running Nebula with ext4 and have noticed some sluggishness/lagginess that wasn't there on ACS Syndicate (2.1), but i can't compare to RFS DK28, because i went straight to ext4 when i went to DK28. Can folks comment on whether or not they are running ext4 w/ no_journal mod?
Yeaa, maybe its the no journaling that's causing the responsiveness. Idk. I might try it again in a few weeks. But my phone was just pissin me off by doing the stupid little things. Plus, there isn't many files that support edify yet.
Imo, I think we should finalize one version before upgrading to an entirely new file system. It just seems to be more problematic to me.
So do you guys that like ext4 use the no journals?
I had a lot of lag with Bonsai4all with EXT4, was bout to give up, but decided to re-do it all and go to Nebula 1.06 and thing screams. I would try another ROM if you are having issues with EXT4, but thats just me...
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I had a lot of lag with Bonsai4all with EXT4, was bout to give up, but decided to re-do it all and go to Nebula 1.06 and thing screams. I would try another ROM if you are having issues with EXT4, but thats just me...
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Well, I have... I tried three different ones. Bonsai, viper, and quantum... all three lagged like crazy
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And you are using the OTA, non-deoxed Dk28 to start from? I've heard that is key for EXT4.
I have noticed that my phone has become quite slow. My Nexus S is a contract phone and I think I have had it for almost 2 years. When i first got it - it felt snappy. Around that time, I did things like install kernals, custom roms, bootloader unlock etc. Then I went back to the stock rom.
I dont mind wiping the memory etc. As long as the important stuff is backed up like messages and contacts - everything else can go. I can reinstall when needed. So my question is - what do I have to do to regain the performance. Should I do a full reinstall? or install a custom ROM? or should I get a new phone (my contract ends this month)
Thanks
well, if you get the possibility, I would definitely go for an different phone. I don't know your budget, but I would go for a quad(/dual)-core phone, as mobile software seems to become heavier on a faster pace than before. I advise you this, because else your next phone will feel like your nexus s after two years, but than in one year. Of course this is just a prediction, so do whatever you wish to do
I had been running the same custom ROM for months. When the Nexus 4 came along, I wanted to upgrade, but I decided to wait another year and just install a smooth and stable custom ROM/kernel.
I have found the combination of rasbeanjelly, the marmite kernel and brainmaster's seeder tweak to be extremely smooth. After flashing this combination, an upgrade to the Nexus 4 doesn't seem so needful anymore. Battery is okay too: I can get shy of 4 hours on screen time.
Klinkerkp was so nice to compile his own build of rasbeanjelly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36373552&postcount=278. It has the following:
Latest rasbeanjelly version
Gapps
SuperSU
BusyBox
Working photosphere
Dark mms with quick reply
marmite kernel v7.2.3CM
brainmaster's seeder tweak
You can download it here: http://www.d-h.st/HJ9. Very useful, because you only have to flash one file. Be sure to wipe and everything, but you know that already.
Androyed said:
I have found the combination of rasbeanjelly, the marmite kernel and brainmaster's seeder tweak to be extremely smooth. After flashing this combination, an upgrade to the Nexus 4 doesn't seem so needful anymore. Battery is okay too: I can get shy of 4 hours on screen time.
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I also recommend this combination if you just want preformance. :good:
However, in my opinion, ROM performance is device dependent. What's fast for another may/may not be fast on your device. So be sure to try them all when you got time
ej8989 said:
I also recommend this combination if you just want preformance. :good:
However, in my opinion, ROM performance is device dependent. What's fast for another may/may not be fast on your device. So be sure to try them all when you got time
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Sure its device dependant, that is why I asked in this forum. Surely all the nexus s's are the same?
viperfx07 said:
Sure its device dependant, that is why I asked in this forum. Surely all the nexus s's are the same?
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Well yeah, but the fact that person A gets 4.5 hours on screen time with the same ROM/kernel and exact same settings won't mean you will also get 4.5 hours on screen time. The same goes for smoothness.
A question like "what's the fastest ROM/kernel combination" is very difficult to answer. But I think you can't go wrong with the rasbeanjelly/marmite combination. I suggest you make a NAND backup and try the compilation I posted to see for yourself.
I've been troubled by this issue of gradual performance degradation in android custom Rom/kernels ever since I came to android from a non-smart phone. I've asked about it before, but nobody really had a good answer for exactly why it was happening. It is likely related to something in custom kernels though, that's my gut feeling. The more reboots and freezes I'd get, the worse the system would run. Like you said, starting over from scratch always helps, but it really sucks having to do this regularly. My search for long term stability has brought me to cm 10.0 stable. I use the stock kernel, and don't mess around to much with advanced or performance settings. You won't get nearly the performance or battery life of other configs, but I've found the system runs just as smooth on day 60 as day 1. I actually have come back from a galaxy nexus to my ns4g cause of how useable the phone is, and how much I like the smaller size. So I disagree with the earlier poster who said to look for a new phone. I think you can definitely use this phone till the next android is version comes out, provided you don't use a lot of resource intensive apps.
Good luck in your search.
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Its not that money is an issue, but the problem is that if I do get a new contract I will be stuck in that for atleast 2 years with any new smartphone. The thing is that the nexus S is perfectly fine for my mobile needs. I just wish it could be a little snappier, as one of you have said already when getting a new phone its much better to get one that can be with you for 2 or more years - therefore it makes sense to get a good one. I will most likely wait for the new phone from samsung that uses the ARM big.LITTLE chip.
I just checked my phone and it seems I must have relock'd it when putting the stockrom on. I have not done this custom rom stuff in a while, not sure if the scene has changed much. Is the rooting process using adb recommended for mac's?
If you have many apps installed, it can be a quick performace boost if you uninstall all the apps you don't use or don't need. Keep the apps you use regularly, delete those you don't remember when was the last time you used them. I had some games and utilities which I froze in Titanium Backup (same as uninstalling except you don't lose any data and it can be reverted with one tap), since then my phone feels as new.
Androyed said:
I had been running the same custom ROM for months. When the Nexus 4 came along, I wanted to upgrade, but I decided to wait another year and just install a smooth and stable custom ROM/kernel.
I have found the combination of rasbeanjelly, the marmite kernel and brainmaster's seeder tweak to be extremely smooth. After flashing this combination, an upgrade to the Nexus 4 doesn't seem so needful anymore. Battery is okay too: I can get shy of 4 hours on screen time.
Klinkerkp was so nice to compile his own build of rasbeanjelly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36373552&postcount=278. It has the following:
Latest rasbeanjelly version
Gapps
SuperSU
BusyBox
Working photosphere
Dark mms with quick reply
marmite kernel v7.2.3CM
brainmaster's seeder tweak
You can download it here: http://www.d-h.st/HJ9. Very useful, because you only have to flash one file. Be sure to wipe and everything, but you know that already.
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New build with latest rasbean source & latest marmite kernel 7.3CM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36674772
On the road with my Nexus S...
I think the rasbeanjellybuild MDO on 4.1.2 is faster. 4.2 was very laggy on my device. There are not so many functions in this rom. But that's my opinion. Kernel: marmite of course and the tweaks from brainmaster are for smoothness very well too.
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viperfx07 said:
I have noticed that my phone has become quite slow. My Nexus S is a contract phone and I think I have had it for almost 2 years. When i first got it - it felt snappy. Around that time, I did things like install kernals, custom roms, bootloader unlock etc. Then I went back to the stock rom.
I dont mind wiping the memory etc. As long as the important stuff is backed up like messages and contacts - everything else can go. I can reinstall when needed. So my question is - what do I have to do to regain the performance. Should I do a full reinstall? or install a custom ROM? or should I get a new phone (my contract ends this month)
Thanks
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I was in a similar position, except for the contract. I wiped everything, installed CM10 stable and uninstalled a couple dozen apps I was not using. Performance is ok again. Some battery issues, but I hope that with a new battery I can have the phone for some more time.
Hey,
I'm running Jellyshot with marmite 7.2.1 at 1.3GHz OC.
For me it's the perfect Rom / Kernel combo. The setup is pretty stable, incredibly fast and I got around 2-3 hours battery time, which is about as much as twice as stock.
I personally wait for the next Nexus device, because even today my nexus S with this setup can compare to 80 % of the smartphones in my vicinity.
Jellyshot:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2023699
Marmite Kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1719775
Androyed said:
I had been running the same custom ROM for months. When the Nexus 4 came along, I wanted to upgrade, but I decided to wait another year and just install a smooth and stable custom ROM/kernel.
I have found the combination of rasbeanjelly, the marmite kernel and brainmaster's seeder tweak to be extremely smooth. After flashing this combination, an upgrade to the Nexus 4 doesn't seem so needful anymore. Battery is okay too: I can get shy of 4 hours on screen time.
Klinkerkp was so nice to compile his own build of rasbeanjelly: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36373552&postcount=278. It has the following:
Latest rasbeanjelly version
Gapps
SuperSU
BusyBox
Working photosphere
Dark mms with quick reply
marmite kernel v7.2.3CM
brainmaster's seeder tweak
You can download it here: http://www.d-h.st/HJ9. Very useful, because you only have to flash one file. Be sure to wipe and everything, but you know that already.
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i dont know if i really tried it all but i think i lost count on flashing roms ...and i always go back to this awesome combo,... i can safely say its the best i ever had too...:fingers-crossed:
Thanks for the suggestions, I will try them out. Since you guys have flashed so many, does it not get tiresome to wipe and reinstall everything? Is there an easier way?
What is your process for flashing a rom/kernal nowadays?
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Thanks for the suggestions, I will try them out. Since you guys have flashed so many, does it not get tiresome to wipe and reinstall everything? Is there an easier way?
What is your process for flashing a rom/kernal nowadays?
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I'm not really attached to my apps and data. The only thing I hate is asking everyone for their Wi-Fi passwords again. But I could easily back them up. I just don't because I'm lazy. If you want, you can back up pretty much anything with Titanium Backup.
My process? I first download everything I'm going to flash, throw it all in some folder on my sd card (most of the time I just keep it in the download folder). Then I don't make a NAND backup. That's right. #YOLO. No, just kidding. Like I said, not really attached to any setup at all. If I flash a new ROM, that means I don't care about my previous setup at all. But a NAND backup doesn't really take that long, and it's really easy to restore, so I would just do it if I were you.
I always restart after flashing. If I have to flash 5 things, I restart 5 times. Don't know if this helps, but someone taught me this once, and I've been doing it ever since. After I've flashed everything, I connect to Wi-Fi, download one or two apps I frequently use (whatsapp, my favourite browser), and then that's it. All other apps I download only when I need them.
i downgraded from 4.2.1 to apex 4.0.4
Now i have more then 170 mb ram free with most of my apps open!!!
with matr1x kernel cfs it seems to be great at gaming
I'm a little surprised to see so many NS users complaining about poor performance on 4.2.1. A lot of people seem to have become convinced that a single core cpu isn't enough to handle Android smoothly anymore, but I think they're just yearning for unachievable WP levels of UI sheen or they're flashing the wrong zips.
bed's Marmite kernel has been so well-optimized since its 7.1.6 incarnation that even a dirty-flashed ROM laden with 200+ apps feels usable. Having said that, it really does help to do things as cleanly as possible: full wipe, manual format of system and data, wipe cache and dalvik, reboot recovery; flash your ROM, flash gapps, and flash your chosen kernel once only (resist experimenting with different versions), then fix permissions.
For about the past week and a half I've been using tchaari's 4.2.1 build of Slimbean + Marmite 7.1.7, without an overclock, and it's remained consistently smooth and responsive well beyond 100 hours of uptime.
One thing which has in the past slowed my phone to a crawl is the SD card. There are some flaky versions of ClockworkMod which will leave corrupt blocks on the external storage after creating a NANDroid backup - Media Scanner hates this and so do the apps living on your SD. I've experienced this a couple of times and reformatting the SD is the only way to restore performance. Not sure if people are still suffering from this without realising the cause, but I now refrain from making NANDroids and just rely on Titanium Backup and everything seems to run smoothly.
Anyway, install Slimbean, flash Marmite 7.1.7 (or try out 7.3), and don't for one instant consider purchasing a fragile Nexus 4 or any other oversized power hungry droid.
my nexus s felt laggy since updated to ICS, then jellybean came along and made it even worse . At last I just put CM7 in and the phone is smooth as butter again
Odp: Regain performance
superweird said:
my nexus s felt laggy since updated to ICS, then jellybean came along and made it even worse . At last I just put CM7 in and the phone is smooth as butter again
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Is your internet browser as smooth as in jb too?
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I recently bought a Nexus 4 and have a few questions about whether or not I should root.
Firstly, I'm not new to this. I have in the past rooted 4 android devices including a Gal-nexus. Nevertheless I have concerns.
1. Does performance suffer with custom Roms/kernels? I have found my N4 very responsive but in the past I felt like some speed and fluidity was lost when I flashed new Roms. Is that still the case?
2. A follow on from 1; What's the best Rom?
3. Are there any benefits to rooting specific to the N4 that I otherwise wouldn't know about?
4. Are there any other reason why I should/ should not root that you know?
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I recently bought a Nexus 4 and have a few questions about whether or not I should root.
Firstly, I'm not new to this. I have in the past rooted 4 android devices including a Gal-nexus. Nevertheless I have concerns.
1. Does performance suffer with custom Roms/kernels? I have found my N4 very responsive but in the past I felt like some speed and fluidity was lost when I flashed new Roms. Is that still the case?
2. A follow on from 1; What's the best Rom?
3. Are there any benefits to rooting specific to the N4 that I otherwise wouldn't know about?
4. Are there any other reason why I should/ should not root that you know?
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I don't see how anyone could possibly answer your questions. Performance varies from ROM to ROM, but generally building a ROM that makes performance suffer doesn't regularly become popular. The best ROM is an often asked question, and it gets the same answer every time. You need to try them out and see for yourself. People may offer their opinions, but that's it. You may like something in one ROM which I don't etc. There are benefits to rooting, as a few popular apps require root permissions (Titanium backup i.e). I always root my phones, and I've never regretted doing it.
1. Does performance suffer with custom Roms/kernels? I have found my N4 very responsive but in the past I felt like some speed and fluidity was lost when I flashed new Roms. Is that still the case?
Flash a custom rom if you'd like. Honestly, there's nothing wrong with vanilla android 4.2.2, but it's missing a few things I like having...like expanded power menu and the theme engine
2. A follow on from 1; What's the best Rom?
for me it's paranoid. It looks VERY professional, IMHO, and it offers everything I want in a rom, including an aosp base, rather than CM, which has become a little too trendy for me
3. Are there any benefits to rooting specific to the N4 that I otherwise wouldn't know about?
accessing any functions that would need modding to run from anywhere but the /data directory just like always
4. Are there any other reason why I should/ should not root that you know?
the first thing I did when I unboxed mine (after playing with the stock rom for 20 minutes) was run the bootloader unlock command, then flash cwm so I could run a custom rom I'm probably the wrong person to ask if you're apprehensive about using a custom rom, because I'm always for rooting and customizing
If you want to root it do it at your own risk..btw I haven't rooted mine yet
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If you want to root it do it at your own risk..btw I haven't rooted mine yet
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Thank you for sharing this vital and lifechanging information
@OP:
I would use the phone for a few weeks to get familiar with it, read up in the meantime about the rom`s, kernel`s, mods that are available and fastboot and adb . After that you can realy compare and see the benefits and/or downsides between stock and custom.
As long as you have done the research and understand the risks of rooting your device(and you have stated you do) I would. The whole reason I bought this device is because I knew development would be off the chain.....and it is. Good luck whichever you decide and flash safely.
hyperdude111 said:
I recently bought a Nexus 4 and have a few questions about whether or not I should root.
Firstly, I'm not new to this. I have in the past rooted 4 android devices including a Gal-nexus. Nevertheless I have concerns.
1. Does performance suffer with custom Roms/kernels? I have found my N4 very responsive but in the past I felt like some speed and fluidity was lost when I flashed new Roms. Is that still the case?
2. A follow on from 1; What's the best Rom?
3. Are there any benefits to rooting specific to the N4 that I otherwise wouldn't know about?
4. Are there any other reason why I should/ should not root that you know?
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Honestly I've been rooted I've tried like 5 roms (top roms like cm, Xenon, xylon, liquid smooth, etc) but I feel like stock is smoother and faster... I root for performance and customization but there's no improvement in performance for me (unless overclocked) so I guess I'm going back to stock rooted
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iNeedICS said:
Honestly I've been rooted I've tried like 5 roms (top roms like cm, Xenon, xylon, liquid smooth, etc) but I feel like stock is smoother and faster... I root for performance and customization but there's no improvement in performance for me (unless overclocked) so I guess I'm going back to stock rooted
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Roms don`t make phones faster, kernels make them faster
i recommend you to root your N4 you will not have any drop downs in performance
gee2012 said:
Roms don`t make phones faster, kernels make them faster
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Hi,
It depends of a certain point of view... What do youy mean by "faster" (I don't ask this to you particularly ), yes a kernel helps but a rom well optimized can do your phone "faster" without any custom kernel.
After all it depends of what do you mean, faster, smoother, etc... is subjective. A combo kernel / rom optimized is the best and I think that just a kernel can't do only the stuff all the time (flash a bloated rom with a ton of scripts and build.prop tweaks as a "fastest and smoother rom", flash a "good" kernel -> the kernel will not help you even with overclocking or anything else).
You can have a good kernel with some good settings but you can broke all this stuff with a "bad" rom... So it's 50 / 50 - rom / kernel.
It's not only the kernel that makes a phone "faster"...
It's like in a car, it's not only the motor that does everything (I mean that does a faster car), there is also the Cx, the tyres, the fuel, etc...
If you do not have a reason to root, don't do it then.
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If you do not have a reason to root, don't do it then.
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Good remark.
I rooted mine and flashed Faux mainline kernel with stock 4.2.2 and i noticed a huge improvement in battery life and performance. :good:
My reasons for rooting before I even put my SIM card in:
1. It wipes the phone so best to do it first.
2. Titanium Backup to restore transfer apps/data from my Nexus One.
3. Install Greenify
4. Install AdAway
5. Load Franco kernel which doesn't require root but his kernel app does
I knew going in that I wasn't going to load a custom ROM for a long time (if at all). I don't see how it could get much smoother than stock
There is no "Best" ROM. It's all on personal preference. I personally think PA is the best rom, and have stuck by it ever since getting my N4. You might think another rom is best, so just try all the ones that seem interesting to you, and find out what's best for you.
If you just got your nexus 4 enjoy it stock for a while. It works pretty good! Take your time to read. Welcome aboard!
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I'm on stock right now and it's blazing I mean I might root again and try a kernel with mpdecision enabled and that could make a big difference but we'll see I mean I like stock for now there's not much bloat except for like currents, earth, book, and stuff which is just Google play stuff I'm glad I don't have all that tmobile bloat lol
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Yeah Im kind a questioning the point in rooting to. I had rooted and installed RasBean rom with Trinity on my Galaxy Nexus and it was great, but one of the main reasons i rooted was to get stickmount to work for usb memory stick support. As this isnt there yet for the N4 then im failing to see the point... plus once i start flashing roms and taking backups with clockworkmod that eats into available phone space..
im sure i'll be tempted eventually but right now im getting decent battery life, good performance and my screen colours are good enough for me.. so i am on the fence..
will rooting and flashing these custom kernels/roms resolve the wifi instability issue?? thanks!
In my opinion, if You are asking this (and these) question (s) then You definitely should not root your device. It's natural for me to root it 5 minutes after unboxing my new device, but I know why am I doing this. If you asking other people whether You should do it or not then You dont need it
Hey,
I just wanted to ask does the custom roms really worth rooting? in comparison to the google stock rom how much faster and more battery efficient are the custom rom that specialize in those fields? (i.e. LiquidSmooth from what I could gather) and how much more/less stable are they from the stock rom?
Thank you.
Experience differs from user to user. The most conclusive way to get an answer is to try it out yourself. For me, PA has been just as fast as the stock ROM and had equally good battery life, but I have had the occasional random reboot. To me that's a miniscule trade-off for the features you get. You won't really get a ROM that's significantly faster than a stock ROM though because the hardware on the phone is good enough that everything feels fast.
tomer90 said:
Hey,
I just wanted to ask does the custom roms really worth rooting? in comparison to the google stock rom how much faster and more battery efficient are the custom rom that specialize in those fields? (i.e. LiquidSmooth from what I could gather) and how much more/less stable are they from the stock rom?
Thank you.
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I would recommend you try both and stick with the one that works best for you. Only you can determine which one you like more. The N4 is easy to install a custom rom on (even from stock). Plus with the backup apps out there you don't have to risk losing your data and starting over. No two users are identical and what works for one may not work for another.
For what it's worth, I've flashed back to stock/locked/unrooted because I never came to depend on the features the different roms gave me. I'm getting older and don't have the time to stay current on the different roms and features. All I need for my phone are apps/features that are found in the stock rom and the google store. Battery life is better on a custom rom but it's not worth it to me to continue my "flashaholic" ways. I still get through a day sometimes a day and a half on the stock rom - which is all I need. My use case could be drastically different than yours so don't do what I did unless you know it will work for you.
The developers here do great work and it's a great community so I would recommend you try them all to see which one you like the most.
Good luck.
You need to find the answer yourself.
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its not about me testing for myself because i'm not looking for features or special stuff i can get along with everything i'm really just looking for the fastest most battery saving ROM, thats it, I play little to almost no games basicly mail and scanning and stuff like that(i'm a student right now) and soon i'll be writing some apps for myself for security purposes so I need something to really milk that Quad Core for all its worth so I also need some CPU tweaking apps(not sure if thats ROM related)
You'll be very happy with Sabermod or Rasbean both close to stock. Sabermod is the only Rom built using the 4.8 chaintool and is very fast. The battery life is also excellent. I recommend those 2 for a close to stock experience with some useful tweaks both fast smooth and solid.
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Thank you for your input.
Any other opinions?
and by the way, excuse my ignorance but what does it mean 4.8 chaintool? what makes it faster then the 4.7 or the older ones? and since its really new im guessing, does it mean its less stable then the other ROMS? and when you say excellent battery life, its in comparison to all those other ROMS that aim for max battery life?
Thank you!
If you really want more battery life or smoothness then IMO you should just install a new kernel; Franco's kernel has great battery life but it still has better performance than stock, Trinity kernel is super fast and smooth, and there's loads more options available.
I'm running CM10.1 and Franco kernel and its very stable, barely ever have any sort of bugs or random reboots
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I run CM10.1. Close to stock, but has a few options that are nice to have especially if you like to customize your phone. There are other Roms that have more options, but to me, what's in CM is enough. It's really up to you.
With that being said, I recently flashed a stock rooted rom and got MUCH better battery life than on CM. I don't know if it was an app I had or what, but stock definitely gave me better battery life. I have tried kernels and Rom combinations, but always come back to CM with every single phone I've had. But, in my experience on the Nexus 4, stock Rom gives me the best battery life.
For me liquidsmooth is brilliant! Extremely fast while having tons of customization options. Pair it with matr1x and it really is a great combo for speed and battery life. This is only my opinion but it works for me. I got over 22000 on antutu with this combination (no overclock) while I think its around 17000 on stock. I also get significantly better battery life compared to stock.
if you really want a bump in battery and performance, i suggest rooting and just install francos kernel.i've tried every rom on this forum and for me i ALWAYS find my way back to stock for me it just feels the most fluid and everything works like it should. like me you dont play games or anything and im no app hoarder.that said stock rom with francos kernel gives me the best of everything including color/gamma tweaks to make your screen look better with his app.
with that said i suggest to check out different kernels
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if you really want a bump in battery and performance, i suggest rooting and just install francos kernel.i've tried every rom on this forum and for me i ALWAYS find my way back to stock for me it just feels the most fluid and everything works like it should. like me you dont play games or anything and im no app hoarder.that said stock rom with francos kernel gives me the best of everything including color/gamma tweaks to make your screen look better with his app.
with that said i suggest to check out different kernels
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Now, if we install franco's kernel onto the Stock ROM, will this prevent any future Google updates from being installed?
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Now, if we install franco's kernel onto the Stock ROM, will this prevent any future Google updates from being installed?
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Updates in any form will show up in the forum and no need to simply rely on Google for them. They have recently released an updated kernel which I see being implemented by some rom developers and kernel developers already. Let's understand what we have here guys, a community of constant building additions/updates to our phones. So updates should be the last thing for you to worry about IMO
Also to me OP some of the questions you asked can all be answered with a simple Google Search, not that the answers given here are wrong but you would probably find more in depth and uniformed answers by looking it up.. Quite sure its on a wiki somewhere...
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Updates in any form will show up in the forum and no need to simply rely on Google for them. They have recently released an updated kernel which I see being implemented by some rom developers and kernel developers already. Let's understand what we have here guys, a community of constant building additions/updates to our phones. So updates should be the last thing for you to worry about IMO
Also to me OP some of the questions you asked can all be answered with a simple Google Search, not that the answers given here are wrong but you would probably find more in depth and uniformed answers by looking it up.. Quite sure its on a wiki somewhere...
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I believe he means Google ota's and yes it can stop you from getting ota's. Any modification to system. Whether you added or removed something will fail. You would have to be on complete stock for it to work. Just download yourself a nexus 4 toolkit. The latest factory image, latest drivers, and make sure you backup your internal storage on your computer. Use the tool to return your phone back to stock. Of course whenever you feel is tge right time to do so.
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I believe he means Google ota's and yes it can stop you from getting ota's. Any modification to system. Whether you added or removed something will fail. You would have to be on complete stock for it to work. Just download yourself a nexus 4 toolkit. The latest factory image, latest drivers, and make sure you backup your internal storage on your computer. Use the tool to return your phone back to stock. Of course whenever you feel is tge right time to do so.
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Oh no I fully understood what he meant and my point was simply people unroot or stay stock to wait for an update. Whether you are rooted or not the update will find you in some form. Either with a rooted stock rom or a custom rom but rest assure that xda will not let an update happen and its not on everyone's phone :good:
As a long time Android user and general nerd, I often hear from some of my friends about new and cool custom ROMs. It ranges from "amazing customization" to "blazing speed" and even "far better than anything stock in general".
So this weekend I decided that since my warranty is no longer valid anyway, and Samsung won't be updating the Galaxy S2 GT-i9100 anymore, I can go ahead and try something new and shiny, which could help me with my job.
And thus began my research and tests on Android custom ROMs...and oh boy, that was one hell of an experience.
Everything I heard from people about nearly everything was shattered right then and there.
As a reasonable person, I decided to try some of the more popular ROMs, trying to stick as much as possible to stable builds since everyday use is a big deal for me. So now I present to you, my experience with what I was told are the top-dogs of the custom ROM world and my impressions of each:
Omni 4.4.2
This one actually surprised me in terms of it's video driver. As some might know, a bunch of Gameloft published games always show washed out colors on the Galaxy S2, but when used, this ROM showed the correct colors...quite shocking! ...however, it turned out to be highly unstable with apps crashing left and right all the time and often for no real reason. This ROM is not really advertised as "stable" so I guess that was understandable, so I decided to move on.
MIUI v5
This ROM was just impressive. I absolutely love the UI (and I didn't even try the customization stuff, yet I say that!). It seemed really stable and I almost decided to stick with it...until I found out that 3 apps in particular I very much rely on don't work properly or at all (overlay issues it seems). This got me really disappointed but I figured functionality is more important than looks so once again, I decided to move on.
CyanogenMod 10.3.1
This might be the biggest disappointment for all the wrong reasons. The buildup and hype I got from people about it created in my head "the ultimate ROM"...but after installing it and doing some tests...I have to say, the performance difference was just barely noticeable and i all honesty, not worth the trade for the bugs it also brings (although if it had the video driver from Omni I would've changed my mind). I really wanted to do a fair judgement since I know this is the top-dog of ROMs (or at least in popularity) so I even ran tests on it...and in games, the framerate difference between stock and CM10.3 was just 2-5fps.
Resurrection Remix 4.0.7
This was...let me just say it out loud - the installation for this ROM should be a standard - just incorporate some stuff and have people chose what to get or don't get. Having stock stuff and then 10 additional flashable ZIPs while not really a big issue is just a time-waster for a lot of people in my eyes (although it would've been nice to know more about the modems when it asks you for a choice). Anyway, this ROM's keyboard just refused to work so I got rid of it after 2 flashes.
ReVolt JB 4.5
...keyboard didn't work on this one again, and after another 2 flash attempts, I scrapped it aswell.
At this point I pretty much just gave up and went back to the Samsung stock ROM for my region and was left with an empty feeling that custom ROMs all seem to have at least one or more huge flaws.
All the buildup and "legends" (lacking a better term) weren't even close to what I experienced (except the MIUI...well, UI) and it got me thinking...are custom ROMs meant for everyday users or they were always aimed at people willing to experiment? Personally, I decided that my journey through the custom ROM world has ended here at least for the time being (maybe someday I'll go back to MIUI but who knows), but I wanted to ask, does anyone feel the same way I do? That custom ROMs, while a really cool thing to be able to have is getting overhyped to the point where unless you really know what you're getting into will lead to just disappointment?
I would really like to hear other people's views on this, especially if you're not an expert user.
NeatROM rulez, give it a try.
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I'm using slimbean 2.2. It's seems better them any other ROM.
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Resurrection Remix 4.0.7 worked fine for me. the only problem is the System UI that usually crashes when you messed up on something and it really need some reboot for that. ☺
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Well, with custom roms comes both bugs and extended capacities.
First of all, having a rooted phone gives a lot of new possibilities.
Besides, custom roms give new content, like the latest android updates, which the constructors take time to port to their devices.
At last but not least, custom ROMs often let you.. customize as much as thou wish
I'm personally using Cyanfox (android 4.4), and I'm pretty happy about it
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You schould try another 4.4.2 custom roms for egz pound rom(the best for me) or beanstalk which is good too
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warpgamer said:
Well, with custom roms comes both bugs and extended capacities.
First of all, having a rooted phone gives a lot of new possibilities.
Besides, custom roms give new content, like the latest android updates, which the constructors take time to port to their devices.
At last but not least, custom ROMs often let you.. customize as much as thou wish
I'm personally using Cyanfox (android 4.4), and I'm pretty happy about it
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I actually just root my stock ROM with the SuperSU flashable ZIP-thingie...though I only need it for a firewall ^-^;;
But to me one of the biggest deal-breakers is how all the ROMs I did like don't support MHL (if only MIUI was capable of that )
Since the warranty is gone i'm trying a bunch of roms to sede what nave to offer. So far i've only tried the omnirom and it's pretty good to me, except some minor bugs.
In my opinion you've to choose a stabile ROM if you don't want any problems
im using cm10.1 stable linaro build most nearly perfect rom for me.
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iobling said:
Since the warranty is gone i'm trying a bunch of roms to sede what nave to offer. So far i've only tried the omnirom and it's pretty good to me, except some minor bugs.
In my opinion you've to choose a stabile ROM if you don't want any problems
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im using cm10.1 stable linaro build most nearly perfect rom for me.
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That's kind'a the thing, CM 10.3.1 is the one shown as stable and it seems to be...but it's missing features that the stock ROMs offer, and the performance difference is pretty much not noticeable enough to justify it for me.
All the ROMs except Omni were shown as "stable" but as i mentioned in my first post, all seem to have at least 1 big issue.
As a side question...I heard the newest version of MIUI actually had MHL/TV-out support on the S2...anyone know if that's true?
Dorimanx anybody ... ?
I only use my phone for basic stuff.So I just use a stock rom with a custom kernel.That way, everything works and I dont have to read 2000 posts to see what problems to expect.
Stock CM kernel isn't all that great IMO , Try coupling Dorimanx's kernel with CM or any other ROM... Adds a lot of power features with stability. stock Sammy Roms feel very caged and unoptimized thus the need for custom builds. Give it time... It grows on you eventually.
Just my 2cents
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I only use my phone for basic stuff.So I just use a stock rom with a custom kernel.That way, everything works and I dont have to read 2000 posts to see what problems to expect.
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After 2 years of trying to find a custom ROM that doesn't have one show-topping bug, I feel bad for not just staying with a nicely optimized stock ROM with a tweaked kernel that is 100% dependable when I need it.
So, +1 :good:
Well, I only recently got the S2. Before my S2, I've owned an HTC One V. The stock ROM on that thing was just a mess. It came with 4.0.4 ICS and... you guessed it... no update to JB. So I installed a custom ROM on that one... it improved nearly everything.
So, from my experiences with that device, I thought I could flash the S2 and get the same experience. And... well, not really. I have tried so many ROMs...
The AOSP based ROMs either drain battery like hell or have any other bug which is so impacting that I can't deal with it. For example, the Audio 50% bug. Just one word: Annoying.
SO, I could stay with a Samsung stock ROM, but well, that won't be an option for me. Why not? Simple, on the stock rom, using my phone for an hour, literally ONE HOUR, the thing is completely dead. Battery empty. The only stock rom which gives me two and half an hour of screen on time is the 2.3.3 GB stock. And well, that's a bit old nowadays.
The by far best combination for power, speed, stability and battery life for me is CM10.1 stable with the DorimanX 9.14 kernel. I've tried it once and I find myself going back to it pretty much everytime I flashed any ROM I do not like.
Currently I'm on CM11 unofficial nightly, tomorrow I will see for how long my battery can last. I know, my battery is probably broken, but it's not thicker than normal or something like that. It just drains and I have no idea why.
DerGraf1997 said:
Well, I only recently got the S2. Before my S2, I've owned an HTC One V. The stock ROM on that thing was just a mess. It came with 4.0.4 ICS and... you guessed it... no update to JB. So I installed a custom ROM on that one... it improved nearly everything.
So, from my experiences with that device, I thought I could flash the S2 and get the same experience. And... well, not really. I have tried so many ROMs...
The AOSP based ROMs either drain battery like hell or have any other bug which is so impacting that I can't deal with it. For example, the Audio 50% bug. Just one word: Annoying.
SO, I could stay with a Samsung stock ROM, but well, that won't be an option for me. Why not? Simple, on the stock rom, using my phone for an hour, literally ONE HOUR, the thing is completely dead. Battery empty. The only stock rom which gives me two and half an hour of screen on time is the 2.3.3 GB stock. And well, that's a bit old nowadays.
The by far best combination for power, speed, stability and battery life for me is CM10.1 stable with the DorimanX 9.14 kernel. I've tried it once and I find myself going back to it pretty much everytime I flashed any ROM I do not like.
Currently I'm on CM11 unofficial nightly, tomorrow I will see for how long my battery can last. I know, my battery is probably broken, but it's not thicker than normal or something like that. It just drains and I have no idea why.
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I get up to 14 days with my battery if it's just on Standby [no actual use] and up to a full day if I play some games on it with the Stock ROM.
Also I wanted to mention that I tried DorimanX 8.43 earlier today and my god, my phone became unstable as hell [still on a stock ROM]...odd.
But yeah, you might want to get a new battery if you get less than 16 hours battery life
Hello. I want share my experience. I moved from stock because i want try 4.2 new features, specially widget on lockscreen.
I first tryied cm 10.2 but battery drained quickly and gaming was so sloooow.I tryied then cm10.2 linaro but experienced 4-5 reboot a day. Now I'm back on cm10.2 hoping that the guy working on exynos drivers will bring good news. In the meanwhile I will try gustavo or apolo kernel that seems the most stable kernels
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Waiting S4 UI port into i9100G ...
I have found only 2-3 Roms that can be used
I can say that i have installed allmost all posible ROMs. For me every rom whit verson of android above 4.1.2 just didn't work ( i have SD CARD problems in most of the ROM's in other i have encored camera problems or bootloops ) The only ROM working realy good is snapdragon and s4fors2 .
IF ANY ONE KHNOWS HOW TO SOLVE MY SD-CARD PROBLEMS ON ANY ROM WITH ANDROID VERSION ABOVE 4.1.2 PM me PLS
CyanFox Rom is the most stable and worked for me as well. Give it a try!!
For Battery Backup, maybe you can use Voltage Control Pro App, Underclock to 1 GHZ if you are not a hardcore gamer. You can also decrease voltage,more Options over mv are also available in Pro Version, Decreasing Voltage will help lower power consumption of CPU.
You can also install Siyah Latest Kernel and do all of this using S-Tweaks!
Thanks!
@hellco what exactly is your sd card problem?? Can you elaborate??