Hi all.
I'm looking to replace my Moto G 4G phone with something that has slightly bigger screen and better optics. I chose the Galaxy S4 & the Nexus 5. Specs-wise we all know the Nexus 5 wins hands down. But i want to talk about the latest 4.4.2/3 on the S4.
I would like to know of any improvements (speed, performance & photo quality wise) on the camera of the S4 and if the battery life has been improved as well.
I'm also a bit reluctant in the sense that bloateware seemingly still remains in the S4. Is Samsung tackling this? And what can i do to make the phone a bit more faster?
Please advice. Thank you.
If u want simple speedy interface with latest updates then nexus 5 is ur device.
S4 wins in term of extra touchwiz features,camera,battery life nd display(as i prefer amoled over ips lcd) .
One can always flash custom aosp custom roms on s4.
In the end its ur own decision.
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usmankh10 said:
One can always flash custom aosp custom roms on s4.
In the end its ur own decision.
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AOSP ROMs for the S4 have lots of bugs usually involving the camera, video playback and sound quality. This was one of the main reasons I sold my S4 and got an N5, because I really dislike TouchWiz.
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Gino76ph said:
I would like to know of any improvements (speed, performance & photo quality wise) on the camera of the S4 and if the battery life has been improved as well.
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I got about the same battery life on both. The S4's camera is arguably better in most conditions, except low-light where the N5's OIS gives it an advantage.
Gino76ph said:
II'm also a bit reluctant in the sense that bloateware seemingly still remains in the S4. Is Samsung tackling this? And what can i do to make the phone a bit more faster?
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Samsung is causing the bloatware problem, but rooting and removing junk is possible. That could trip the Knox warranty bit if you aren't careful. Installing a custom ROM will definitely trip Knox.
The only thing you can do to make the S4 faster is run an AOSP ROM or custom kernel, but there are penalties (mentioned above).
You can't go wrong with the N5 unless the difference in camera performance or having an AMOLED screen is that important to you.
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AOSP ROMs for the S4 have lots of bugs usually involving the camera, video playback and sound quality. This was one of the main reasons I sold my S4 and got an N5, because I really dislike TouchWiz.
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I got about the same battery life on both. The S4's camera is arguably better in most conditions, except low-light where the N5's OIS gives it an advantage.
Samsung is causing the bloatware problem, but rooting and removing junk is possible. That could trip the Knox warranty bit if you aren't careful. Installing a custom ROM will definitely trip Knox.
The only thing you can do to make the S4 faster is run an AOSP ROM or custom kernel, but there are penalties (mentioned above).
You can't go wrong with the N5 unless the difference in camera performance or having an AMOLED screen is that important to you.
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the AMOLED screen is such a huge win for the S4 and i have yet to see a better camera on any other phone. However, the N5 OS is godly for purists. I have been researching for a week now how to flash an AOSP GPE rom on my S4 (att nc1) and the dev is just not there yet. There is a great thread here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2767026
with some really bright guys working it out but its still quite buggy. I am hoping to learn enough and flash this rom to my S4 and try to get the best of both worlds. IMO touchwiz is a gimmick, a day after i got the phone i turned off all the touchwiz features as i found them quite useless.
hope that helped
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the AMOLED screen is such a huge win for the S4...
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I used to swear by AMOLED screens. After I got the N5, I couldn't stand the bluish-green color cast of the S4 any longer, which put another nail in its coffin. I do miss the deeper blacks.
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I used to swear by AMOLED screens. After I got the N5, I couldn't stand the bluish-green color cast of the S4 any longer, which put another nail in its coffin. I do miss the deeper blacks.
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you are really making me want an N5 now....
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you are really making me want an N5 now....
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I do prefer stronger blacks, contrast & overall colours of the AMOLED so that's one vote for Galaxy S4. The battery life and capacity in the S4 is better than the N5 so that's two votes. The bloated Touchwiz i think is still better in terms of added features so that's three votes now. The camera has been a very contentious issue but in this respect "overall" the S4 will get my vote; i don;t do much night shots anyway.
I suppose there are always two sides of the coin when it comes to the UI bloateware. Yes its either you love it or hate it. Whenever i ring (or email) Samsung about my suggestions on performance, lessening bloateware, etc. i do wonder if they really listen to you. And i'm not into flashing ROMs or rooting and i still prefer the normal updates.
Will a "RAM optimisation" or "overclock" app help in increasing the speed & performance of my S4? Is there something in the Developer Options that i need to change or tick?
Please advice. Thanks.
CafeKampuchia said:
I used to swear by AMOLED screens. After I got the N5, I couldn't stand the bluish-green color cast of the S4 any longer, which put another nail in its coffin. I do miss the deeper blacks.
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I agree with you finally.
I get so annoyed with the blue tint after using my laptop and iPad.
I do think it has more to do with calibration however because the Tab 2 with a IPS has a blueish tint as well :/
And also I think movie mode makes the colours look wrong even though everyone says it looks more natural because they think they are experts and pro for stating Less saturated/grammar = more natural when in reality, the grammar looks wrong at least to be compared to other screens.
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I agree with you finally.
I get so annoyed with the blue tint after using my laptop and iPad.
I do think it has more to do with calibration however because the Tab 2 with a IPS has a blueish tint as well :/
And also I think movie mode makes the colours look wrong even though everyone says it looks more natural because they think they are experts and pro for stating Less saturated/grammar = more natural when in reality, the grammar looks wrong at least to be compared to other screens.
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I have bought the Galaxy S4 (normal UK LTE version) and i like it. But again, these issue of bloateware is getting in my way, battery life down from fully charged (at 6am) to just 30% by 5pm on moderate use (basic checking emails, news, weather, downloading a newspaper mostly and not even playing games or watching videos) and slow performance. This is what i did so far.
I turned off:
Bluetooth
Wifi (when i'm out & about); Scan for nearby wifi networks turned off
GPS (70% of the time but my nature of work requires me to visit clients hence i need the GPS to look for their address but this is only around 1-2hrs max at any given day)
Auto-sync
Notifications (apart from BBC News, Instagram & Twitter)
NFC
Samsung own gimmicky motions & gestures
Wireless printing
Vibrate
S-voice
Installed the Snapdragon Battery Guru app
Power-Saving mode is Turned on
Brightness set to low (and not on Auto)
Set the all animations (from Developer Options) to the second lowest value
Installed an alternative lightweight(?) launcher like Nova.
Stopped all background tasks and Clear memory
The above tasks did helped a little but can't help notice still some performance issues (camera and some apps still loads at least 2 seconds which by today is slow), benchmarks show RAM & processor are seemingly under clocked.Compared to the Z1 Compact or Moto G 4G the general performance & smoothness of the UI is better than the S4. Is there anything else i can do?
Please help.
Gino76ph said:
I have bought the Galaxy S4 (normal UK LTE version) and i like it. But again, these issue of bloateware is getting in my way, battery life down from fully charged (at 6am) to just 30% by 5pm on moderate use (basic checking emails, news, weather, downloading a newspaper mostly and not even playing games or watching videos) and slow performance. This is what i did so far.
I turned off:
Bluetooth
Wifi (when i'm out & about); Scan for nearby wifi networks turned off
GPS (70% of the time but my nature of work requires me to visit clients hence i need the GPS to look for their address but this is only around 1-2hrs max at any given day)
Auto-sync
Notifications (apart from BBC News, Instagram & Twitter)
NFC
Samsung own gimmicky motions & gestures
Wireless printing
Vibrate
S-voice
Installed the Snapdragon Battery Guru app
Power-Saving mode is Turned on
Brightness set to low (and not on Auto)
Set the all animations (from Developer Options) to the second lowest value
Installed an alternative lightweight(?) launcher like Nova.
Stopped all background tasks and Clear memory
The above tasks did helped a little but can't help notice still some performance issues (camera and some apps still loads at least 2 seconds which by today is slow), benchmarks show RAM & processor are seemingly under clocked.Compared to the Z1 Compact or Moto G 4G the general performance & smoothness of the UI is better than the S4. Is there anything else i can do?
Please help.
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Ahh.. battery life is an issue with all smartphones today and considering that your phone is used for navigation for one to two hours max, that is incredible considering that the bloody iPhone 5S won't make it it past half a day with normal usage with 3G so 11 hours @ 30% is damn good for a smartphone.
Z1 compact has a snapdragon 800 chip so that cannot be compared but as for the Moto G 4G, the reason why it runs a lot smoother is due to the near stock android it is running so the best thing you can do is to install a AOSP rom on your S4.
I suggest disabling pre-installed apps.
As for benchmarks, my stock S4 isn't under clocking unless if it's on power saving mode or overheating.
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What I can tell you about Nexus devices is this: you can pretty much do anything with it OS-wise. I was shocked by the ruckus about Knox voiding warranty and to me it's utter BS. I mean if I buy the phone, I should have the right to do anything with it. When you have a Nexus phone, when you root it, it doesn't trigger any warranty voiding schemes (because yeah root can void warranty, but just flash a clean stock rom and locking it again, it will be cleared for warranty). When the hardware of my S4 broke, I cannot have it repaired because of the knox warranty void, thankfully there's a service center here that didn't check the download mode. But I do have to agree on the points already mentioned, in terms of specs and hardware, S4 wins by a large margin. But hey, I always swear for Nexus devices (if there were any Nexus 5 devices here in my place, I would definitely buy that over my S4. Sadly, they do not stock up on N5 anymore because Samsung took over the smartphone market here in the Philippines.
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What I can tell you about Nexus devices is this: you can pretty much do anything with it OS-wise. I was shocked by the ruckus about Knox voiding warranty and to me it's utter BS. I mean if I buy the phone, I should have the right to do anything with it. When you have a Nexus phone, when you root it, it doesn't trigger any warranty voiding schemes (because yeah root can void warranty, but just flash a clean stock rom and locking it again, it will be cleared for warranty). When the hardware of my S4 broke, I cannot have it repaired because of the knox warranty void, thankfully there's a service center here that didn't check the download mode. But I do have to agree on the points already mentioned, in terms of specs and hardware, S4 wins by a large margin. But hey, I always swear for Nexus devices (if there were any Nexus 5 devices here in my place, I would definitely buy that over my S4. Sadly, they do not stock up on N5 anymore because Samsung took over the smartphone market here in the Philippines.
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As i said i have unchecked/stopped Notifications of almost all my apps apart from Gmail, Instagram, Twitter. That's it. If i need to enable some Notifications that would be Messaging and Whatsapp but nothing else. I will disable all pre-installed apps as you guys have suggested too and see if it helps.
I would like to further ask:
1. Would charging a brand-new battery (like mine) improve its actual "hours use" (i.e. battery life)?
2. Would resetting a phone improve its battery life by erasing some possible bugs or issues?
3. Would installing a battery-saving app like Battery Guru help or hinder my phone's battery life?
Gino76ph said:
As i said i have unchecked/stopped Notifications of almost all my apps apart from Gmail, Instagram, Twitter. That's it. If i need to enable some Notifications that would be Messaging and Whatsapp but nothing else. I will disable all pre-installed apps as you guys have suggested too and see if it helps.
I would like to further ask:
1. Would charging a brand-new battery (like mine) improve its actual "hours use" (i.e. battery life)?
2. Would resetting a phone improve its battery life by erasing some possible bugs or issues?
3. Would installing a battery-saving app like Battery Guru help or hinder my phone's battery life?
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1. Battery life is a very subjective topic. It really boils down to how you use your device.
2. Depending on what you meant about reset, is it factory or just a normal reboot?
3. Battery savers are not fool proof, but they can tell you what's hogging the battery. I suggest battery doctor for this purpose.
Leonhan said:
1. Battery life is a very subjective topic. It really boils down to how you use your device.
2. Depending on what you meant about reset, is it factory or just a normal reboot?
3. Battery savers are not fool proof, but they can tell you what's hogging the battery. I suggest battery doctor for this purpose.
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What i mean about #1 is that i heard that when you buy a new device having a new battery the first few days the battery is still "adjusting" to its charged state. And after a few days once the battery has "learned" how the device is being used it "optimises" to its potential. Hence, the battery life will be what it is intended or advertised. Did i make sense?
As re: # 2 i meant the whole factory reset will it "flush out" or clear any bugs.
Would you still say Battery Guru is a good battery-saving app? Or not?
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What i mean about #1 is that i heard that when you buy a new device having a new battery the first few days the battery is still "adjusting" to its charged state. And after a few days once the battery has "learned" how the device is being used it "optimises" to its potential. Hence, the battery life will be what it is intended or advertised. Did i make sense?
As re: # 2 i meant the whole factory reset will it "flush out" or clear any bugs.
Would you still say Battery Guru is a good battery-saving app? Or not?
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I have heard of what you meant with your first point but I do not know if it really does it like that.
Factory resets does make your device clean like the first time you got your device, so unless you don't have any hardware problems, it should fix the bugs.
I have read the reviews and they are mixed. I think it all boils down to personal choice. I swear by battery doctor coz I use it.
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I have heard of what you meant with your first point but I do not know if it really does it like that.
Factory resets does make your device clean like the first time you got your device, so unless you don't have any hardware problems, it should fix the bugs.
I have read the reviews and they are mixed. I think it all boils down to personal choice. I swear by battery doctor coz I use it.
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Is this the Battery Doctor that you have? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ijinshan.kbatterydoctor_en&hl=en
Going back to Issue #1 and talking about in "general terms" would charging a brand-new battery for a couple of times improve/optimise it's life thereby extending it in the long run? or would this depend on the algorithm or behaviour or programming of the OS or firmware?
Gino76ph said:
Is this the Battery Doctor that you have? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ijinshan.kbatterydoctor_en&hl=en
Going back to Issue #1 and talking about in "general terms" would charging a brand-new battery for a couple of times improve/optimise it's life thereby extending it in the long run? or would this depend on the algorithm or behaviour or programming of the OS or firmware?
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Yeah, that is the battery doctor I am using. Li-ion batteries are interesting batteries because in order for them to be healthy, you need to charge between 50%-90%. Never overcharging and charging below 20% once a month will really improve the longevity of the battery. As far as the OS/software is concerned, it really depends on what you use your phone for. Also, if your battery is draining and you are sure that it's not the actual battery itself, you can use apps like Watchdog to see if which apps are hogging the battery.
I see. If those are the apps you guys have recommended and if they are lightweight then i shall try them.
But would you say there is no risk of overcharging a phone's battery? Say for example i started charging at 11pm and by 4am it is fully charged but i wake up at 6am instead to remove the plug. Would that have any impact?
Gino76ph said:
I see. If those are the apps you guys have recommended and if they are lightweight then i shall try them.
But would you say there is no risk of overcharging a phone's battery? Say for example i started charging at 11pm and by 4am it is fully charged but i wake up at 6am instead to remove the plug. Would that have any impact?
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According to the Battery Doctor App, overcharging is charging the phone for more than 9 hours. That would imply that if you overcharge too often, it will really shorten the lifespan of your battery.
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According to the Battery Doctor App, overcharging is charging the phone for more than 9 hours. That would imply that if you overcharge too often, it will really shorten the lifespan of your battery.
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Say for instance i'm at work and its 2pm and my battery is down to 50% which i feel i might not reach at home. If i charge my battery halfway thru the day would that still damage my battery or not?
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I had the N1 which i soled, now i have the NS - i have been using it for about 2 Weeks and here are my conclusions so far:
Note: i'm not trying to tell you if you should buy this Smart Phone Or if you should replace your N1 for the NS. i'm just going to give you some Information and explain the differences between these two devices as i see them.
To my opinion the N1 is a unique device. it has a good feel in your hand (metal feel), it has a trackball. it has many ROM options (Modaco,Cyanogen,and many others) which provides enough options for you if you want to get the most of it.
To me, until the last day that i had it it felt perfect. and after tweaking it (Root+Recovery+ROM+Lang+Bidi+RTL+Keyboard+Kernel+More-Tweaking) i got To the place where all i had to do is ROM-BackUp from time to time and that's all.
Than Why should i sell it you say ? - that is a good question.
Well, the first thing you notice when you turn on the Google NS is the Super Amoled Display - it doesn't matter how much i'll try to explain it, one glance at it And you will notice that too. it is much brighter then any other screen i saw, the Colors are beautiful. when you are out in the open, you can use your device Almost as if you are inside a room by increasing the brightness level.
For me this is one of the main reasons to choose this SmartPhone.
The NS comes with Android 2.3.1-Gingerbread (after OTA update from 2.3.0) - which is much faster then FROYO.
(yes,you can install it on the N1 too)
Ok, so it has a better screen.. is that a good enough reason to buy the NS ?
Well there are other things that should also be considered:
It has a front camera ("Skype" should allow Video calls soon... and "Google Talk" will probably too) and there are already apps such as "Tango" that let's you use
the front camera.
Another thing is being the first to get the Google updates.
If you want to always be the first to get Android/Google apps updates that is the SmartPhone for you.
The NS also has the NFC device (near field communication) which currently has no Use and when it will - you probably use it with a newer SmartPhone... so this is Not a point for the NS
Battery - this is only a speculation right now but the NS should have a better Battery life then the NS. the combination of a bit larger battery (1500 mAH), Tweaked kernel and the more efficient screen, should provide better battery life.
We will probably see that when Stable ROMs will go out.
SD - No SD ?
yea, no SD - ever.
It has a 16GB FlashDrive(you get a free space of about 13G) which for me is More Then enough.
If you need more then that ,you will have to go with the Samsung Galexy S.
Which has an SD Card.
Not having the SD card actually makes life a bit easier. no messing with Partitioning , App to SD and all that. just install you apk.
Buttons:
Same as the screen there is a big difference Here:
If you are using the N1 you already know that the buttons (Back,Menu,Home,Search) are not so responsive and sometimes it can be Annoying.
At the NS the buttons are a part of the screen and they are much more Responsive.
You use them as if you are touching an icon on the screen.
This gives a very responsive device and i believe anyone will notice the difference At first use.
SIP:
Native sip support is more then a nice thing to have.
Yes there are apps such as "SipDroid" that provides the same thing.
But it is more likely that native support means less CPU, less leggy functions.
Don't get me wrong, "SipDroid" is doing a great job. but in time we will probably see that Using an integrated SIP account (and Video Calls) runs a bit better and that it is well integrand to the phone (account,calls,notifications, receive calls...)
Update: 11.01.2011
GPS Lock:
Some people say they notice a slow GPS Lock.
I decided to check that and i'm updating the results here:
I tried the GPS about 10 times while driving to work and back, and also while standing out in the open.
At each time the GPS Lock took less then 30 seconds, and i was even able to use my Navigation app "Waze".
there where times that the Lock was about 5 seconds after i turned on the GPS.
As far as i can see GPS Lock is fine.
please confirm / disagree
So in the end you get a:
Much more responsive, crystal clear, faster, updated device that can make Video calls.
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Ummmm.. I thought you still need to move apps to "usb storage" on the NS?
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I had the N1 which i soled, now i have the NS - i have been using it for about 2 Weeks and here are my conclusions so far:
Note: i'm not trying to tell you if you should buy this Smart Phone Or if you should replace your N1 for the NS. i'm just going to give you some Information and explain the differences between these two devices as i see them.
To my opinion the N1 is a unique device. it has a good feel in your hand (metal feel), it has a trackball. it has many ROM options (Modaco,Cyanogen,and many others) which provides enough options for you if you want to get the most of it.
To me, until the last day that i had it it felt perfect. and after tweaking it (Root+Recovery+ROM+Lang+Bidi+RTL+Keyboard+Kernel+More-Tweaking) i got To the place where all i had to do is ROM-BackUp from time to time and that's all.
Than Why should i sell it you say ? - that is a good question.
Well, the first thing you notice when you turn on the Google NS is the Super Amoled Display - it doesn't matter how much i'll try to explain it, one glance at it And you will notice that too. it is much brighter then any other screen i saw, the Colors are beautiful. when you are out in the open, you can use your device Almost as if you are inside a room by increasing the brightness level.
For me this is one of the main reasons to choose this SmartPhone.
The NS comes with Android 2.3.1-Gingerbread (after OTA update from 2.3.0) - which is much faster then FROYO.
(yes,you can install it on the N1 too)
Ok, so it has a better screen.. is that a good enough reason to buy the NS ?
Well there are other things that should also be considered:
It has a front camera ("Skype" should allow Video calls soon... and "Google Talk" will probably too) and there are already apps such as "Tango" that let's you use
the front camera.
Another thing is being the first to get the Google updates.
If you want to always be the first to get Android/Google apps updates that is the SmartPhone for you.
The NS also has the NFC device (near field communication) which currently has no Use and when it will - you probably use it with a newer SmartPhone... so this is Not a point for the NS
Battery - this is only a speculation right now but the NS should have a better Battery life then the NS. the combination of a bit larger battery (1500 mAH), Tweaked kernel and the more efficient screen, should provide better battery life.
We will probably see that when Stable ROMs will go out.
SD - No SD ?
yea, no SD - ever.
It has a 16GB FlashDrive(you get a free space of about 13G) which for me is More Then enough.
If you need more then that ,you will have to go with the Samsung Galexy S.
Which has an SD Card.
Not having the SD card actually makes life a bit easier. no messing with Partitioning , App to SD and all that. just install you apk.
Buttons:
Same as the screen there is a big difference Here:
If you are using the N1 you already know that the buttons (Back,Menu,Home,Search) are not so responsive and sometimes it can be Annoying.
At the NS the buttons are a part of the screen and they are much more Responsive.
You use them as if you are touching an icon on the screen.
This gives a very responsive device and i believe anyone will notice the difference At first use.
SIP:
Native sip support is more then a nice thing to have.
Yes there are apps such as "SipDroid" that provides the same thing.
But it is more likely that native support means less CPU, less leggy functions.
Don't get me wrong, "SipDroid" is doing a great job. but in time we will probably see that Using an integrated SIP account (and Video Calls) runs a bit better and that it is well integrand to the phone (account,calls,notifications, receive calls...)
So in the end you get a:
Much more responsive, crystal clear, faster, updated device that can make Video calls.
That is how i see it.
Enjoy android.
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Great overview + screenshots. Been looking for a overview between these two. I was considering getting one, but now i have changed my mind and think im going to wait for the dual-core LG Optimus 2X and otther phones.
The LG Black has a NOVA display, i would like tp see how that compares with the Super Amoled.
Great Overview
You forgot one of the worse things on the Nexus One. The "multi-touch"
-Nexus S
NS has much more space for applications before app2sd applied.
Touchscreen is much more responsive on NS than nexus one.
Speaker and speakerphone are better on NS.
However...
Nexus one can take SD which has up to 32GB of storage.
Nexus one has slightly better 3G reception by dB value.
Nexus one will work with ANY T-Mobile internet service while NS is flagged for 4G web only.
An excellent overview and very nice personal account of your transition journey, it's still been less than a month for UK users since the NS's launch I too am looking forward to what the updates will provide for this handset.
Despite what some people think, I think the NS is a worthy upgrade over the N1. It corrects every flaw that the N1 had.
It's without a doubt faster. Doesnt have the same annoying hitching and lag. The touchscreen and capacitive buttons actually respond to touch. The cellular radio performs better. The screen is bigger and much easier to read. Has more internal storage.
My biggest gripe with the NS is the lack of LED notification. That was an extremely cool and useful feature on my NS. I personally dont care that the NS is made of plastic and I actually like the sleek shiny blacked out look.
Good review. OP, where did you get that clock widget of yours? Is it one of the skins from beautiful widgets?
I still like my Nexus One. what hold me back.
1) High power consumption coupled with slow charging(Nexus S)
Nexus One charging time is very fast..Nexus S charging rate is much slower and causing long charging time..at least 3 hours to get full charge..
It lasts 15 hours..the most and take long time to charge..very inconvenient.
I need to always carry charging kit around..
=> I am now trying to turn off background service to conserve power.
2) Freaking GPS locking speed on Nexus S...> 1 min ..impractical for geo tagging picture taking. Luckily once locked,the GPS is stable for road navigation,relatively better than Galaxy S but no where near Google Nexus One.
3) The bugs on 2.3.1 are definitely much more than Nexus One when first launch with 2.1
I hope to have quick OTA to make this phone perfect..
Charging time on the Nexus is a definite bummer.
I wonder if the longer charging time on the Nexus S is a result of the .7amp charger shipped with it.
Most other smart phones, including the iPhone, EVO, Nexus One, et al, use a 1amp charger.
unremarked said:
I wonder if the longer charging time on the Nexus S is a result of the .7amp charger shipped with it.
Most other smart phones, including the iPhone, EVO, Nexus One, et al, use a 1amp charger.
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Any idea if there is a problem with using the NS and a 1amp charger? I imagine not, but why else would they ship a .7amp charger?
I have been using a 2 amp charger with mine with no problems, though it is certainly not taking all 2 amps - charging times are still not that fast. The advantage with the NS is that it will go into what-passes-for-fast-charging mode with any USB source that offers more than the 0.5A spec'd by USB.
The N1 only fast charges (mode AC) if the charger has two of the USB pins shorted. The charger that ships with the N1 does this, but just about no third-party chargers do it. So, if you use even a 2A (lot of third-party charges are 2A) or a 5A third-party USB charger (iPad charger, anyone?) with the N1, it stays in "USB" charging mode and will not draw over 450mA - and the N1 at 450mA and being used takes more than 7 hours to charge.
Also, the battery life on the NS is AT LEAST one and a half times the duration of the N1 with equivalent use, if not longer. I could make a "short" day with the N1, but I HAD to top it off before going out at night if I didn't want to get left high and dry. The NS will probably make it without any problem.
So, here are the NS wins versus the N1:
Screen
Screen touch sensitivity
Real, reliable multitouch
Capacitative button sensitivity
Readibility outdoors
Battery life
Charging time with third-party chargers
The "current" Google phone = first updates
Performance - the 1ghz ARM + SGX540 kills the Snapdragon's 1Ghz ARM plus Adreno 200 - and it kills it by a LOT.
Much better back cam
Better video (stock v. stock) especially in the sound, since it uses a better codec.
Front cam
Maps 5 with "full" capabilities
Better speaker and speaker phone.
Here are the N1 wins versus the NS:
Trackball with light inside
LED notification light
Longer history, so there are tons of mod choices just waiting to be tried out.
For now, a somewhat smoother browser experience on certain sites thanks to better rendering configuration and (maybe) more GPU acceleration in the browser. This will certainly change, either with a Google-furnished update or with custom roms that use the old tricks pioneered on the Droid and used equally on the Nexus One.
After 5 days usage with Nexus S versus Nexus one
Weakness of Nexus S
1) Super slow charging, regardless of charger type used(including the ship with original charger).
2) GPS locking speed is bad, > 2min
3) Weaker wifi reception showed on Nexus S..I dont know is this status bar display calibration problem or really the reception is lower..Any other method that can report Wifi reception in dB..so that I can do side by side comparison between Nexus one and Nexus S...
4) Power consumption
=> Nexus S definitely dry up faster than Nexus One..So far, I have never successfully getting Nexus S to last > 15 hours without recharging..
Similar usage and programs installed on Both Nexus one and Nexus S, Nexus one will last >24 hours versus 15 hours on Nexus S.
On light usage, Nexus one can last for 40hours..
Jonathon Grigg said:
Any idea if there is a problem with using the NS and a 1amp charger? I imagine not, but why else would they ship a .7amp charger?
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I'm inclined to agree with you. A quick googling of this question seems to say that the ampage(.7 vs 1) wouldn't cause an issue so long as the voltage was correct. This agrees with what little I know on the issue in that the phone will pull as much charge as it can and not pull more than it can handle regardless of what's connected to it.
I can't imagine, however, that the Nexus S is incapable of handling a 1amp charger because like I mentioned, every other high end smart phone on the market uses them. Unfortunately, I don't have such a charger now otherwise I'd test it out.
I used my original N1 charger on the NS and it is still slow....
I had the phone for nearly a month and while I agree that it is a step up from the N1 in almost all regards I reluctantly returned it last week.
In terms of smoothness, I felt the NS and N1 were quiet similar, especially with the N1 running custom ROMs and Kernels. The biggest thing I will miss about the NS is the screen. The 4in screen is perfect and anti-fingerprint screen worked well; fingerprints and smudges wiped off easily.
Nexus one charger Nexus S
I have been using the N1 charger on my NS since day one. Nothing out of the ordinary here.
I will try and time the actual charging from dead to fully charged over the next few days to see if there is any time difference (although I doubt it).
I am also seeing that my phone will only charge to 98%. I will never mark a full 100%. This has been since day one.
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I am also seeing that my phone will only charge to 98%. I will never mark a full 100%. This has been since day one.
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Q: I unplugged my phone, and my battery dropped from 100% to 95% immediately, or it won't/takes along time to charge past 99%, what gives?
This is by design. Your phone will slow down and eventually stop pulling charge at or slightly greater than ~95% regardless of what your battery indicator says. This is to extend the overall life of the battery, as constant 100% to 0% charge/discharge cycles will cause it to fail prematurely. If you're interested in really pushing it to 100%, you can use a technique that is called "bump charging" and is better detailed here: http://bit.ly/f6xiZ0
Q: When I reboot my phone while it's charging, the battery jumps from X% to Y%, what gives?
I'm honestly not sure what causes this, but sometimes Android/Gingerbread gets confused on how much exact charge is in your battery if you reboot it while it's charging. However, from personal observation, it's just a display issue. Android/GB will eventually start showing the correct percentages once the battery has "caught up" with what it thinks it is at. Also wiping the battery stats(root only) seems to help alleviate this issue. Either way, it's not a large concern.
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After 5 days usage with Nexus S versus Nexus one
Weakness of Nexus S
1) Super slow charging, regardless of charger type used(including the ship with original charger).
2) GPS locking speed is bad, > 2min
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Really? coming from a nexus one, I find that the gps locks almost instantly on the nexus s.
I haven't had the phone for too long and only used the gps 4-5 times. Every single time, it's locked on the gps the moment I turn on google navigation.
I've had my NS for about 6 days now and am having nexus one withdrawals.
My thoughts:
I miss the N1's noise cancellation mic. You can vacuum and talk on the phone I've done it.
No LED is annoying and the noled app is a subpar solution for the NS.
Miss the N1 grip and design, gorilla glass screen, teflon feeling back.
Wifi reception seems reduced.
Battery life seems to be about the same.
5 Point multi touch NS vs 2 N1 is nice
Screen size upgrade is nice
The feel is actually decent, light
I love the gingerbread battery performance stats now.. much more informative than the battery graph I used for the n1
Currently own a SGS2 and its an amazing phone except for a few key problems...
-battery barely gets me through the day and if it does its because i didnt use it
-gps is still prety off
Those are 2 very important things constantly buggin me. I have had the atrix before and it was pretty good for the most part even before the bootloader was unlocked.
The atrix accessories, unlocked bootloader and battery life are whats pulling me back in.
My main question is, have there been improvements made to webtop to speed it up a bit? I know there are a few threads in the dev section but whats everyones personal opinion?
please keep in mind i realize there are comparisons around however, i trust the heads in these forums more than anything.
any help is appreciated-I can still get a very good price for my sgs2 and im definitely tempted.
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Currently own a SGS2 and its an amazing phone except for a few key problems...
-battery barely gets me through the day and if it does its because i didnt use it
-gps is still prety off
Those are 2 very important things constantly buggin me. I have had the atrix before and it was pretty good for the most part even before the bootloader was unlocked.
The atrix accessories, unlocked bootloader and battery life are whats pulling me back in.
My main question is, have there been improvements made to webtop to speed it up a bit? I know there are a few threads in the dev section but whats everyones personal opinion?
please keep in mind i realize there are comparisons around however, i trust the heads in these forums more than anything.
any help is appreciated-I can still get a very good price for my sgs2 and im definitely tempted.
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That's wild with the GPS, because I just threw GB 2.3.3 on my OG SGS and it's probably the best readings that I've seen on an Android phone. (even better than the Atrix)
It's kinda funny because Samsung is using a new internal GPS software called "Angry GPS".
Anywhoo... I'm back on the fence with the Atrix. I have the Bell version, but my Atrix tends to get warmer than my SGS.
Also I HATE Qhd! I've increased my density settings from 240 to 260, but now the phone won't let me use the default dialer or fingerprint reader because of that. Plus it still doesn't look as crisp and clean as a native "480 x 800" Android phone.
Here's a noob question for anyone reading this - Why can't Android allow users to customize their "display resolution" like a PC?
I know MS vs Linux, but still Android wants to "perform" like a PC why can't we customize our displays without losing features on our phones.
Personally I'd like to have "480 x 800 pixels" on ALL my future Android devices, and if people want to crank up the resolution for gaming more power to them.
This and this alone is one of my biggest reasons why I still own and use my SGS a lot, and my Atrix on and off...
I won't comment on webtop..because I rarely use mine, but I can comment on battery life. I'm running the Bell Atrix, and since unlocking BL and upgrading to 2.3.4, I found my battery life drop significantly. I went from 16+ hours with 3-4hrs of display time down to half of that..no matter which ROM i tried. From what i've gathered from posts..there seems to be something in the alarms/timers that is running in the background draining the battery.
I did notice an improved battery life when I used Alien ROM #3 with faux123's second International kernel however..but jumped on the CM7 pre-beta ROM before significantly testing it. Since getting on CM7 my battery life has been crazy good...although it currently doesn't support webtop, fingerprint scanner and a few other minor bugs (camera etc).
I realize everyone gets different results..i'm just posting to let you know as a Bell user my battery life got worse initially..On a plus note however..there is finally an app that takes advantage of the fingerprint scanner (other than just for unlock)..allowing you to use it to log into certain applications..like FB or email or Galleries..which is cool if you want to keep prying eyes away from certain things lol. It's not without a few bugs however..but it's getting there
I will say, the uniqueness of the Atrix..with the fingerprint scanner, webtop mode, etc has kept me from jumping on the SGSII bandwagon..and i'm still really enjoying this phone.
I am the type of person to lay in bed and surf the net. Im thinking the lapdock is perfect for that. Webtop wasnt the fastest before the GB update so im hoping that it has improved slightly with the update. Anyone here regularly use the webtop features?
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I am the type of person to lay in bed and surf the net. Im thinking the lapdock is perfect for that. Webtop wasnt the fastest before the GB update so im hoping that it has improved slightly with the update. Anyone here regularly use the webtop features?
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I own the laptop dock. It's not as fast as I would like it to be, but it can definitely surf the internet with ease. I also use mine as an rdp client for my desktop, which runs perfect.
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PIm running 2.3.4 rooted w/ locked bootloader and im getting GREAT battery life.. after I did the following:
*downloaded battery calibration app, charge to 100% and wait till it reads 4200 mv, then calibrate.
*downloaded AntTek app manager from market (a free rom that let's you freeze bloatware without having to pay for the pro version like Titanium Backup) and I froze a huge list of blur bloatware.
* downloaded SetPcu and configured a profile to underclock the phone while the screen is off ( set the minimum and maximum to 216000 ).
*make sure my gps is turned off when im not using it
*download Advanced Task Killer from the market and set it to automatically kill idle apps upon screen shut off. I set it so my task killer icon is on the top bar of my screen, so I can easily access it and quickly clear up any useless running apps. ( i've noticed that since upgrading to 2.3.4, some apps tend to start up on their own without any distinct or reasonable trigger, so this step has really worked wonders for me.
*After this, charge to 100% and flash the battery jumping fix zip found in the dev section, and you're set to have phenomenal battery life.
On a side note, I think once cm7 is officially released, you'll see even better battery life due to the removal of Blur.
And there's my two cents on battery life. Hope it helps
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i have read that the lapdock can be sluggish at times but would overclocking the phone help? Im talking a small OC to maybe 1.2ghz.
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i have read that the lapdock can be sluggish at times but would overclocking the phone help? Im talking a small OC to maybe 1.2ghz.
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I think the highest OC kernel we have atm is 1.2 (kholk's)..and from what i've heard/read the highest possible would be 1.4? Don't know for sure..just re-iterating what i've read.
Most of the stable OC kernels right now are only on a 1.1 OC..so not sure if this has improved webtop or not..
thank you for the help. I would press the thank you button but im using the old version of this website at work and there is no thank you
I have played with the SGS2 and it's a really nice phone, (huge but nice), but I love my Atrix because it allowed me to leave my heavy laptop at home.
I've been hacking the Webtop like there's no tomorrow and even unhacked, I didn't notice lags or the UI (both webtop or Android) been slow.
Obviously its not intended to replace your gaming laptop or win 3D Benchmarks by any chance, but I can say that it outperforms my daugthers Windows 7/Ubuntu Atom Netbook by a mile. Just hook up the phone and boom! You're there. (Noiseless if it wasn't enough).
These are just a few of the things I do with my Atrix/Lapdock and modded Webtop setup:
1. Work on client's websites editing and adding stuff. (Bluefish)
2. FTP in on client's and own servers. (Filezilla)
3. Edit and create photos with Photoshop quality tools (GIMP)
4. Create, read and edit Word, Powerpoint, Excell files (OpenOffice, soon LibreOffice)
5. Do lots of online research with a full blown browser (Firefox)
6. Desktop quality Social Networking.
7. Play High Quality games with nVidia graphics and QHD display.
8. Display family/work photos and HD videos on the Lapdock display or LCD/Plasma HD displays via HDMI cable (expensive cable included btw)
9. Much more...
I know that the average Joe will not be able to accomplish the above out of the box, and that fact alone could kill the concept, but I'm talking about my own experience.
Another fact to consider is price. Nowadays you can get an Atrix plus Lapdock for the price of the SGS2 alone.
Cheers and good luck on your decision, which by the way, no matter what you decide to do, it will be the best option for you.
Here's a few samples of my setup:
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Rayan
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Very impressive Rayan!
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Also I HATE Qhd! I've increased my density settings from 240 to 260
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You kidding me i have it set to 180 and loving it I want to have as much viewable area as i can. This plus ADW with dissappeared dock and notifications gives many many lines of text, more widget room etc. So personal preference, as is everything.
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blunted09 said:
Currently own a SGS2 and its an amazing phone except for a few key problems...
-battery barely gets me through the day and if it does its because i didnt use it
-gps is still prety off
Those are 2 very important things constantly buggin me. I have had the atrix before and it was pretty good for the most part even before the bootloader was unlocked.
The atrix accessories, unlocked bootloader and battery life are whats pulling me back in.
My main question is, have there been improvements made to webtop to speed it up a bit? I know there are a few threads in the dev section but whats everyones personal opinion?
please keep in mind i realize there are comparisons around however, i trust the heads in these forums more than anything.
any help is appreciated-I can still get a very good price for my sgs2 and im definitely tempted.
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Even though I love my Atrix, I believe the SGSII is an all around better phone. Battery life is a huge selling point for me, and my Atrix simply does not deliver. It doesn't matter what ROM, kernel, or juice defender app I use. It's just not acceptable.
Webtop is fun to show off to people, but to get full use out of it, I would have to buy a bluetooth keyboard + mouse just for the Atrix, which I can't justify.
If I have the opportunity to sell my Atrix and pick up a SGS2, I will.
I forgot to mention that for those having dialer issues after changing density settings, you just have to install Go Contacts from the Market (free) to get around the problem.
Also, high resolution displays are not for everyone. Specially in screens smaller than 4.5 inches. One has to have good eyesight for that lol...
On my workplace I have several users with high end 27+ inches lcd displays on their desktops ruining at 1024x768 (low res for that size) because of their poor eyesight lol...
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Even though I love my Atrix, I believe the SGSII is an all around better phone. Battery life is a huge selling point for me, and my Atrix simply does not deliver. It doesn't matter what ROM, kernel, or juice defender app I use. It's just not acceptable.
Webtop is fun to show off to people, but to get full use out of it, I would have to buy a bluetooth keyboard + mouse just for the Atrix, which I can't justify.
If I have the opportunity to sell my Atrix and pick up a SGS2, I will.
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You do realize that the atrix has a better battery than gs2 right? My atrix lasts me about 30 hours of usage. So 1.5-2 days. Lol
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Maroon Mushroom said:
Even though I love my Atrix, I believe the SGSII is an all around better phone. Battery life is a huge selling point for me, and my Atrix simply does not deliver. It doesn't matter what ROM, kernel, or juice defender app I use. It's just not acceptable.
Webtop is fun to show off to people, but to get full use out of it, I would have to buy a bluetooth keyboard + mouse just for the Atrix, which I can't justify.
If I have the opportunity to sell my Atrix and pick up a SGS2, I will.
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You have to consider price, the Atrix + Lapdock its less expensive than an SGS2 alone.
Atrix battery has been great for me too...
Sgs2 battery is tiny in comparison to the one on the Atrix.. I'm talking about mAh obviously...
the atrix that i had could last me easily 2 days with moderate use. I have just sold the samsung for 650 and am purchasing an atrix + lapdock + multimedia dock for $500. Sounds like a deal to me.
Honestly, no matter how good a phone is, if the battery doesnt last very long its useless. Also, the atrix charges about 5 times faster.
also, i personally find 4.3 much too large to comfortably use on a daily basis. 4" is the sweet spot. I will be taking a hit in the camera department, ONLY night time shots though. In good light the atrix can hold its own. Im also an accessories guy. I think thats one of the reasons the iphone does soo well-ecosystem.
1 gb of ram like the sgs2, nvidia support for games (though the sgs2 processor is brilliant) and much louder earpiece volume and speaker.
I dont know about anyone else, but i actually enjoy webtop. I find the lapdock the perfect size and speed for night time browsing in bed and taking it on the go.
blunted09;[URL="tel:16626610" said:
16626610[/URL]]the atrix that i had could last me easily 2 days with moderate use. I have just sold the samsung for 650 and am purchasing an atrix + lapdock + multimedia dock for $500. Sounds like a deal to me.
Honestly, no matter how good a phone is, if the battery doesnt last very long its useless. Also, the atrix charges about 5 times faster.
also, i personally find 4.3 much too large to comfortably use on a daily basis. 4" is the sweet spot. I will be taking a hit in the camera department, ONLY night time shots though. In good light the atrix can hold its own. Im also an accessories guy. I think thats one of the reasons the iphone does soo well-ecosystem.
1 gb of ram like the sgs2, nvidia support for games (though the sgs2 processor is brilliant) and much louder earpiece volume and speaker.
I dont know about anyone else, but i actually enjoy webtop. I find the lapdock the perfect size and speed for night time browsing in bed and taking it on the go.
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I love Webtop at home, office and on the go...
blunted09 said:
Currently own a SGS2 and its an amazing phone except for a few key problems...
-battery barely gets me through the day and if it does its because i didnt use it
-gps is still prety off
Those are 2 very important things constantly buggin me. I have had the atrix before and it was pretty good for the most part even before the bootloader was unlocked.
The atrix accessories, unlocked bootloader and battery life are whats pulling me back in.
My main question is, have there been improvements made to webtop to speed it up a bit? I know there are a few threads in the dev section but whats everyones personal opinion?
please keep in mind i realize there are comparisons around however, i trust the heads in these forums more than anything.
any help is appreciated-I can still get a very good price for my sgs2 and im definitely tempted.
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Cool story. I made my own decision, isn't that strange?
If youre going to act like a little ***** stay out of the thread. That strange?
Hello!
Just wanted to make a quick mini review of my S6. Received it yesterday around 5:30 pm after waiting all day impatiently for UPS to show up haha . I chose the 32g white model, primarily cause I'm not a super heavy user so I don't need a ton of extra space, as well as it doesn't show fingerprints as much as the darker colors. Right now it's sitting in a white Spigen feather case. Here's pics (images taken with a Blackberry Z30 that I don't use anymore lol):
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I'll just keep this review super simple and to the point:
Screen: Amoled has definitely come a long way. Beautiful screen, good color reproduction using the basic setting, good brightness levels. Overall, it rocks. :good:
Build: Feels nice in the hand. Coming from an Iphone 6, it definitely feels as premium. Beware the fingerprints though haha, you will get them all over!
Camera: Not even going to lie, I don't know a damn thing about photography so I'm not going to pretend that I do. It takes great photos, but then again I personally felt that the Iphone 6 camera was good for what little photography I do, so I'd say look at other reviews for more in depth info about that topic.
Quick sample photos. Everything set to auto. No changes made to the photos:
Fingerprint Scanner: Never used the one from the previous Samsung phones, but coming from the Iphone 6, it works just as well. Registered four different prints, and it hasn't messed up once. :good:
Software: I appreciate Samsung's toning down of Touchwiz. At this point, since I haven't been on Android for awhile, I'm still getting use to the UI overall. Definitely appreciate the ability to install themes.
Reception/Service: Don't see any issues here. Sounds good when on phone calls and the reception seems on par with what I was getting with my Iphone 6.
Some things I've found so far that I'm not a fan of: None of these have anything to do with the hardware of the phone really. These are just a few annoyances that I haven't been able to fix just yet.
I can't seem to find any settings to adjust the lights for the capacitive buttons. As such, it's really annoying to use at night since every time you touch the screen, they light up for a second and a half and then disappear again. If anyone knows how to adjust the time or completely turn them off, please let me know. The only setting I've found that disables the lights is power saving mode.
The second thing I don't like is that both the stock Samsung web browser, and Chrome, don't have settings for full screen mode. I don't like having the status bar sitting at the top all the time. Call my crazy, I'm afraid of screen burn in with Amoleds .
At any given time, a high amount of RAM is always in use, and I honestly haven't installed many apps. I just checked right now, and my phone sitting idle is at 77% of RAM in use. I have 1 push gmail, and that's about it. No apps are running. I don't use any social media at all, and all of the bloat of the phone is disabled.
When I open the stock battery app, I cannot find 'screen' listed under the usage tab. As such, I don't know how I can test what my SOT will be on charges. (I know SOT is subjective and can vary greatly depending on use, but it'd still be helpful to have it listed regardless.
Don't really know what else to say at this point. If anyone has any questions or anything, let me know. Overall, I'm definitely enjoying the phone, and I'm super glad to be back on Android. :good:
Cheers,
-Matt
Thanks for sharing!
One point about the ram usage: don't bother looking at it. On almost every android phone you will have high consumption, regardless if the phone has 1/2/3/99 gigs of ram. Simply the more ram you have, the more applications will remain open. The fact that you consumption is around 77% means absolutely nothing - just enjoy your phone
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Thanks for sharing!
One point about the ram usage: don't bother looking at it. On almost every android phone you will have high consumption, regardless if the phone has 1/2/3/99 gigs of ram. Simply the more ram you have, the more applications will remain open. The fact that you consumption is around 77% means absolutely nothing - just enjoy your phone
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Yea, I'm gonna try and just ignore it unless I start having a bunch of like redraws or something when switching between apps. Thanks for the input! :good:
-Matt
Roflwafflez said:
Hello!
Just wanted to make a quick mini review of my S6. Received it yesterday around 5:30 pm after waiting all day impatiently for UPS to show up haha . I chose the 32g white model, primarily cause I'm not a super heavy user so I don't need a ton of extra space, as well as it doesn't show fingerprints as much as the darker colors. Right now it's sitting in a white Spigen feather case. Here's pics (images taken with a Blackberry Z30 that I don't use anymore lol):
I'll just keep this review super simple and to the point:
Screen: Amoled has definitely come a long way. Beautiful screen, good color reproduction using the basic setting, good brightness levels. Overall, it rocks. :good:
Build: Feels nice in the hand. Coming from an Iphone 6, it definitely feels as premium. Beware the fingerprints though haha, you will get them all over!
Camera: Not even going to lie, I don't know a damn thing about photography so I'm not going to pretend that I do. It takes great photos, but then again I personally felt that the Iphone 6 camera was good for what little photography I do, so I'd say look at other reviews for more in depth info about that topic.
Fingerprint Scanner: Never used the one from the previous Samsung phones, but coming from the Iphone 6, it works just as well. Registered four different prints, and it hasn't messed up once. :good:
Software: I appreciate Samsung's toning down of Touchwiz. At this point, since I haven't been on Android for awhile, I'm still getting use to the UI overall. Definitely appreciate the ability to install themes.
Reception/Service: Don't see any issues here. Sounds good when on phone calls and the reception seems on par with what I was getting with my Iphone 6.
Some things I've found so far that I'm not a fan of: None of these have anything to do with the hardware of the phone really. These are just a few annoyances that I haven't been able to fix just yet.
I can't seem to find any settings to adjust the lights for the capacitive buttons. As such, it's really annoying to use at night since every time you touch the screen, they light up for a second and a half and then disappear again. If anyone knows how to adjust the time or completely turn them off, please let me know. The only setting I've found that disables the lights is power saving mode.
The second thing I don't like is that both the stock Samsung web browser, and Chrome, don't have settings for full screen mode. I don't like having the status bar sitting at the top all the time. Call my crazy, I'm afraid of screen burn in with Amoleds .
At any given time, a high amount of RAM is always in use, and I honestly haven't installed many apps. I just checked right now, and my phone sitting idle is at 77% of RAM in use. I have 1 push gmail, and that's about it. No apps are running. I don't use any social media at all, and all of the bloat of the phone is disabled.
When I open the stock battery app, I cannot find 'screen' listed under the usage tab. As such, I don't know how I can test what my SOT will be on charges. (I know SOT is subjective and can vary greatly depending on use, but it'd still be helpful to have it listed regardless.
Don't really know what else to say at this point. If anyone has any questions or anything, let me know. Overall, I'm definitely enjoying the phone, and I'm super glad to be back on Android. :good:
Cheers,
-Matt
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Well , thanks to share your thoughts ! I have right now the iPhone 6 and I'm thinking to upgrade to Galaxy s6 edge I watched lot of reviews and like the phone. Like you coming from iPhone 6 it's worth the upgrade ? I used to have the Galaxy s3 years before. Thanks again !
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edyfrances said:
Well , thanks to sure your thoughts ! I have right now the iPhone 6 and I'm thinking to upgrade to Galaxy s6 edge I watched lot of reviews and like the phone. Like you coming from iPhone 6 it's worth the upgrade ? I used to have the Galaxy s3 years before. Thanks again !
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No prob! Honestly, it's hard to tell. In my honest opinion, the S6 and the Iphone 6 are both great devices in different ways. It really just depends on what you're looking for in a phone. Personally, I wanted to get back to the customization side, so the switch was an easy choice. :good:
-Matt
Nice write up man. It is nice to se what phones people are coming from to get the right perspective.
Don't ever worry about the burn in anymore
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Don't ever worry about the burn in anymore
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And why would you say that? The burn-in problem of the AMOLED displays is still very, very likely to occur. I've seen massive burn-ins on the Note 4, which has basically the same display as the S6.
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And why would you say that? The burn-in problem of the AMOLED displays is still very, very likely to occur. I've seen massive burn-ins on the Note 4, which has basically the same display as the S6.
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Any input on ways to avoid burn in (besides the obvious I mean hehe)? Specifically it's that damn status bar. Everything else changes pretty regularly, but that thing is always there .
-Matt
Roflwafflez said:
Any input on ways to avoid burn in (besides the obvious I mean hehe)? Specifically it's that damn status bar. Everything else changes pretty regularly, but that thing is always there .
-Matt
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Now with Lollipop the status bar isn't such a big problem, because it constantly changes colors. In kitkat and with older versions it was a problem, as it was constantly black (or color close to black).
But I'd suggest rooting, xposed and force immersive mode.
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Now with Lollipop the status bar isn't such a big problem, because it constantly changes colors. In kitkat and with older versions it was a problem, as it was constantly black (or color close to black).
But I'd suggest rooting, xposed and force immersive mode.
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Thanks. I'll definitely look into rooting and all that for this device. Haven't messed with any of that stuff in awhile lol :good:.
-Matt
I had all 4 notes never had any problem with burnin. I'm not quite sure I had it with my s2 it was ages ago lol
I have one favor to ask though
Can you please install all the apps you use (and possibly some that you won't use, but just for the sake of testing), take a few hundred pictures and tell us if the phone feels as snappy as it did at the beginning?
When I played with the phone in a store I thought this was the fastest Android phone ever produced (without exaggerating even a tiny bit), but since it Samsung we are talking about, I have fears that after having all your stuff on the phone, the device's performance will suffer greatly.
@avenging - the fact that it didn't happen to you (which is great) doesn't mean that the technology doesn't suffer the issue. I have personally seen at least 3 units of the Note 4 with burn ins. Just go to your local electronics shop and check the Note 4. I can almost guarantee that it will have some degree of burn-ins.
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I have one favor to ask though
Can you please install all the apps you use (and possibly some that you won't use, but just for the sake of testing), take a few hundred pictures and tell us if the phone feels as snappy as it did at the beginning?
When I played with the phone in a store I thought this was the fastest Android phone ever produced (without exaggerating even a tiny bit), but since it Samsung we are talking about, I have fears that after having all your stuff on the phone, the device's performance will suffer greatly.
@avenging - the fact that it didn't happen to you (which is great) doesn't mean that the technology doesn't suffer the issue. I have personally seen at least 3 units of the Note 4 with burn ins. Just go to your local electronics shop and check the Note 4. I can almost guarantee that it will have some degree of burn-ins.
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I can certainly give it a try!
-Matt
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I can certainly give it a try!
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And when you look into that, make sure you note your remaining space leftover.
It's fairly well-known that devices grow more sluggish as their storage fills up, so with the 32GB unit you'd have the easiest time seeing at approximately what % of space is remaining when the "threshold" is crossed and the device slows down a bit.
Frankly, it should be pretty hard to get the device to exhibit this behavior due to the UFS 2.0 within the device, but it probably does still happen to some extent.
This is actually relatively important to know because people sometimes exclude the necessity of having "empty" space for a device to perform at its best, and they often end up making a purchase decision without factoring that into their decision and regretting it down the road.
So on that note, the sake of Galaxy S6 science depends on you!
Let us know how that battery life is! That's the only thing I am worried about with this phone.
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And when you look into that, make sure you note your remaining space leftover.
It's fairly well-known that devices grow more sluggish as their storage fills up, so with the 32GB unit you'd have the easiest time seeing at approximately what % of space is remaining when the "threshold" is crossed and the device slows down a bit.
Frankly, it should be pretty hard to get the device to exhibit this behavior due to the UFS 2.0 within the device, but it probably does still happen to some extent.
This is actually relatively important to know because people sometimes exclude the necessity of having "empty" space for a device to perform at its best, and they often end up making a purchase decision without factoring that into their decision and regretting it down the road.
So on that note, the sake of Galaxy S6 science depends on you!
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Haha, maybe I should defer this project to someone who is better capable lol.
-Matt
Burn In on Note 4? I had one since day it was launched, have no idea what your talking about. I sold it a week ago and am using iphone 6 right now until s6 Comes. I notice a lot of differences in note and iphone. Iphone is so slow for me. Can't wait to get s6.
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Hello!
Just wanted to make a quick mini review of my S6. Received it yesterday around 5:30 pm after waiting all day impatiently for UPS to show up haha . I chose the 32g white model, primarily cause I'm not a super heavy user so I don't need a ton of extra space, as well as it doesn't show fingerprints as much as the darker colors. Right now it's sitting in a white Spigen feather case. Here's pics (images taken with a Blackberry Z30 that I don't use anymore lol):
I'll just keep this review super simple and to the point:
Screen: Amoled has definitely come a long way. Beautiful screen, good color reproduction using the basic setting, good brightness levels. Overall, it rocks. :good:
Build: Feels nice in the hand. Coming from an Iphone 6, it definitely feels as premium. Beware the fingerprints though haha, you will get them all over!
Camera: Not even going to lie, I don't know a damn thing about photography so I'm not going to pretend that I do. It takes great photos, but then again I personally felt that the Iphone 6 camera was good for what little photography I do, so I'd say look at other reviews for more in depth info about that topic.
Quick sample photos. Everything set to auto. No changes made to the photos:
Fingerprint Scanner: Never used the one from the previous Samsung phones, but coming from the Iphone 6, it works just as well. Registered four different prints, and it hasn't messed up once. :good:
Software: I appreciate Samsung's toning down of Touchwiz. At this point, since I haven't been on Android for awhile, I'm still getting use to the UI overall. Definitely appreciate the ability to install themes.
Reception/Service: Don't see any issues here. Sounds good when on phone calls and the reception seems on par with what I was getting with my Iphone 6.
Some things I've found so far that I'm not a fan of: None of these have anything to do with the hardware of the phone really. These are just a few annoyances that I haven't been able to fix just yet.
I can't seem to find any settings to adjust the lights for the capacitive buttons. As such, it's really annoying to use at night since every time you touch the screen, they light up for a second and a half and then disappear again. If anyone knows how to adjust the time or completely turn them off, please let me know. The only setting I've found that disables the lights is power saving mode.
The second thing I don't like is that both the stock Samsung web browser, and Chrome, don't have settings for full screen mode. I don't like having the status bar sitting at the top all the time. Call my crazy, I'm afraid of screen burn in with Amoleds .
At any given time, a high amount of RAM is always in use, and I honestly haven't installed many apps. I just checked right now, and my phone sitting idle is at 77% of RAM in use. I have 1 push gmail, and that's about it. No apps are running. I don't use any social media at all, and all of the bloat of the phone is disabled.
When I open the stock battery app, I cannot find 'screen' listed under the usage tab. As such, I don't know how I can test what my SOT will be on charges. (I know SOT is subjective and can vary greatly depending on use, but it'd still be helpful to have it listed regardless.
Don't really know what else to say at this point. If anyone has any questions or anything, let me know. Overall, I'm definitely enjoying the phone, and I'm super glad to be back on Android. :good:
Cheers,
-Matt
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I can't help but notice how many reasons you mentioned that make me believe you really don't need a smartphone at all.
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I can't help but notice how many reasons you mentioned that make me believe you really don't need a smartphone at all.
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Eh you're probably right lol. I use to do a lot more with my phones (I rooted and did roms and such on my DNA, Droid M, and Galaxy S2), but just seems like lately I'm just addicted to getting new gadgets haha. Don't get me wrong, I still take photos, watch youtube videos, check my email and browse the web when I'm out and about, just not in the same capacity as almost everyone on XDA I would surmise. Was heavily into the whole social media thing too, but I just got burnt out feeling like I had to check a bunch of apps every 10 mins to keep up to date with what everyone I know is doing.
-Matt
PREFACE: I don't know when was the last time I used a non-rooted phone and a completely stock ROM. My last android devices were HTC Desire S > HTC One M7 > HTC One M8. So you can guess I am a big fan of HTC's build quality, sound quality, lately user interface etc. The only sector HTC couldn't shine for me, ever, was camera quality. It's not that their cameras are horrible, it's just that always there is something missing. M7 had pink tint issue & M8 camera used to take good pictures but Megapixel becomes an issue when u use a camera in day to day life. Well decision of joining LG league was a big leap for me. I am quite sure you all know all the little details & specs of G4, so I will not go for specs. Neither I am going to read the same script saying all the goods about G4 like many youtubers. I will share what experience I have gathered during my short time playing (almost 3 days) with LG G4. I will try to divide my each category into Pros & Cons. So let's begin.
1. BUILD:
Pros:
- Leather back has a good grip and attractive design.
- Feels slim in hand and maintains the curve of the face while talking.
- Big but not uncomfortable. In fact all those saying, this device is big but doesn't feel so, are 100% true. I have used HTC Desire 816 for a short time & I can ensure you G4 doesn't feel as big as 816.
Cons:
- As I am used to having cases on my previous devices, using without one makes me insecure sometimes dropping the phone, not due to slipperiness, but due to thin profile (which is not actually a bad thing).
- Doesn't feel as expansive as S6 Edge or M8, but doesn't feel cheap at all.
2. DISPLAY:
Pros:
- Very good quality - sharp & crisp.
- Good backlight in outdoors.
- Colour reproduction very accurate.
Cons:
- 720p videos looks dull. 1080p and above are ok.
3. CAMERA & GALLERY:
Pros:
- Everything you already know.
Cons:
- No Resolution choosing option.
- No 360 panaroma option.
- You have to touch right above the dialer for changing the manual control options, anywhere else will switch between front & back camera, which takes time to get used to as the dialer is not that wide.
- OIS very aggressive in video mode. Videos seem to be stretch at corners which is not very pleasant. Audio quality is not good enough too. Voice seems to have no depth.
- No option for choosing which albums you want to show in "Albums" section in gallery, so some random folders containing random images i.e. music folder, app folder show in the "Albums" and you cannot hide them which is possible in Sense gallery. One other tiny pick - when u open an image, all the options are on the upper part of the screen which is not accessible with one hand. It was located below the photo is Sense gallery. Otherwise gallery is a nice one.
4. AUDIO:
Pros:
- Loud & clear. I think louder than M8. One of the loudest and good quality speaker I have ever used in a smartphone.
- No problem enjoying youtube and music videos.
Cons:
- Not as clear as M8 in a very few occasions. (Not due to blocking by palm)
- Bass almost absent.
- Facing to the wrong direction.
- Not much appealing while listening to music on speaker.
5. CHARGING & BATTERY LIFE:
Pros:
- Only phone I have ever used which if I leave idly at 100%, after 2-3 hours I will get is back at 99-100%. (wifi & mobile data off, 1-2 calls maybe) Very much impressed with the stand by time of the G4.
Cons:
- Poor charging speed, even with the provided LG charger & cable. Fastest I have found when I switch off the phone. Couldn't try with any quick charger yet.
- Battery drains drastically even with only wifi (2mbps connection, don't lough, i know) as if it is connected to 3g mobile data connection. It's like 1% drain in 1-3 minutes. M8 was much better in such scenario. Some people, of course, saying that this condition improves over time. Can't verify though as never before used a LG phone.
[UPDATE: Switch off auto-brightness. You will see much improvement of the battery. Although I have changed my first device and brought another one & I actually found this device to be better in battery management than previous one. Sorry, not speaking scientifically though.]
[UPDATE 2: Charging problem seems to have solved in the newer device.]
6. HEATING ISSUE:
- Charge your phone first to 100% (switching off) right after you buy the phone.
- I have had serious heating issue for the first 2 days. It's not that it used to become untouchable, in fact you will feel no heat on the back, rather I lifted the phone to my cheek to talk, it almost made red flush on my cheek.
- Things seem to have improved now. I think heating issue will resolve automatically in time.
[UPDATE: As I exchanged my previous G4, new one seems not to have such heating issue from the get-go. Although I need to use it for a few more days to confirm.]
7. PERFORMANCE & UI:
a) Call quality & Phone app:
- Must tick the "noise suppression" & "voice clarity" option in "settings > call". Person hearing you will find significant improvement bcoz of this.
- Phone app doesn't seem quite bad. I was actually bragging on the fact that HTC Sense has the best intelligence in merging and organizing phone contacts. No AOSP or even Google's built-in phone app has the same level of intelligence. But LG seems to have done better with this (although not as good as HTC, but better than others).
- But no "Remove Duplicates" option is a bummer for me.
- Also no "Default Tab" option (i.e. whenever you open the app, a selected tab e.g. recent / dialer will open first) is a disadvantage for me.
- Rather than making a seperate dialer tab, if LG would make a dialer floating button like lollipop's stock dialer, IMO it would be better.
b) Messaging:
- Here's a quick tip. If you coming from a old phone & trying to recover all the messages by some app, at first merge your contacts in the people app. Otherwise your messaging app will freeze quite often.
- Messaging app seems quite nice.
- Customization options are very limited. Provided background wallpapers and bubbles are very childish. And you cannot apply new theme which is weird in 2015 where HTC & Samsung have gone far ahead in this segment.
c) RAM management:
- You will not be happy. I am not saying the phone will freeze now and then, but LG G4 is not doing well in this segment. Don't know it's Lg's or Lolllipop's fault.
[UPDATE: With my newer G4, didn't actually feel any lagging or difficulty yet. Although I didn't restore all my apps yet. I will update if anything changes.]
d) Performance issues: (updated)
- Sometimes misses a few taps. But I don't think it's any LCD issue. It seems to me that deafult ROM isn't as fluid as HTC's or Samsung's or Apple's. Maybe Lollipop has also something to do with it. But I definitey think this will improve in custom ROMs (if & when they will be available )
e) Other things:
- Missing Sense 7 very much. Nothing can beat the integrate themes in Sense 7. No idea why LG almost completely opted it. Yah theme is there, but very limited like IOS.
- And also missing "swipe to lock" feature. Many-a-times swiping the nav bar subconsciously.
- No root or unlock bootloader yet for my H815T. It's causing hell on me. I am not at all used to live with a unrooted locked phone. Evenn Helium doesn't quite work for LG G4.
Well I tried to cover as much and as precise as possible about my experience with G4. I think an update from LG can solve many of the issues and later stage custom ROMs can eliminate all the issues I have mentioned here as hardware-wise it is really a nice device. And LASTLY guys, if you think your device isn't performing well, go and change it, don't wait coz yah all devices may not same built. I have found significant improvement changing my older G4. Yah there may or may not be any scientific explanation, but it helps actually. Go & change yours if it seems lagging, charging slowly or overheating....
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You must have a good one m8 and a bad G4. And i must have a bad one m8 gpe and a great G4. My stock rooted 5.1.1 m8 is a battery sucking stuttering pos. My G4 silky smooth battery sipping joy. My G4 is by far the smoothest phone I have ran to date.
I agree with some of what you've said. I used to be an HTC fanboi. I have used HTC flagships for the last 6 or 7 years. I only switched from the M8 to the G4 because the M9 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Personally I love the G4. Its a nice step up from the M8. Remember it's only been out a short time, and is still on it's initial release. When it's been tested in the public for a little time, LG will no doubt patch it to improve on things. Just give it some time.
I don't see any performance issues though. I have no delay when opening apps.
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I agree with some of what you've said. I used to be an HTC fanboi. I have used HTC flagships for the last 6 or 7 years. I only switched from the M8 to the G4 because the M9 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Personally I love the G4. Its a nice step up from the M8. Remember it's only been out a short time, and is still on it's initial release. When it's been tested in the public for a little time, LG will no doubt patch it to improve on things. Just give it some time.
I don't see any performance issues though. I have no delay when opening apps.
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Ok tell me one thing. How much RAM is used most of the time on yr device? I can find it from the floating bubble of "clean master" & it normally never comes down to 85%. And one other thing, in battery usage what takes up the most of it? Mine is screen. Secondly System. Screen almost takes double battery than System all the time. Is it normal? I mean I wanna be sure that I don't have a defective device coz exchange will be easy here in my country.
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Ok tell me one thing. How much RAM is used most of the time on yr device? I can find it from the floating bubble of "clean master" & it normally never comes down to 85%. And one other thing, in battery usage what takes up the most of it? Mine is screen. Secondly System. Screen almost takes double battery than System all the time. Is it normal? I mean I wanna be sure that I don't have a defective device coz exchange will be easy here in my country.
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Screen taking up the most battery is completely normal. The display uses more battery than anything else by a LONG way.
And by design Android will use most of the RAM available. It will leave apps sitting in memory, so they can be switched between quickly. It's not supposed to have a lot of spare free RAM. Free RAM is a waste in simple Android terms.
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Screen taking up the most battery is completely normal. The display uses more battery than anything else by a LONG way.
And by design Android will use most of the RAM available. It will leave apps sitting in memory, so they can be switched between quickly. It's not supposed to have a lot of spare free RAM. Free RAM is a waste in simple Android terms.
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Thanks a lot. But it seems to me whenever RAM crossing 87-88%, it starts stuttering.
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Screen taking up the most battery is completely normal. The display uses more battery than anything else by a LONG way.
And by design Android will use most of the RAM available. It will leave apps sitting in memory, so they can be switched between quickly. It's not supposed to have a lot of spare free RAM. Free RAM is a waste in simple Android terms.
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One other thing, can u say one thing that, I am using a Singapore/Australia model, ok?? Does it have anything to do with my battery drain?
That's nothing to do with it.
Howe low long have you had it? You'd have to post a screenshot of your power usage for us to comment on it further.
Same boat here. M8 to red leather G4. For now Im really liking the G4 in all but in two major aspects; one is the bad battery life compared to M8 (no more over 7hour screen on times ) and the other is bad audio quality. In audio it just cant match M8 neither on speaker (obviosly), headphones or bluetooth audio. I could live with the ok audio and loud but tinny speaker but the bt-audio streaming is something horrible :/. Cant listen to music from the phone in my car anymore . I dont have heat or bad lag issues but then again it might be the launcher and/or the other apps that I use dont cause that much lag. But I really really like the camera and the screen. Oh man if M9 had screen (not the resolution but the colors and outside readability) and camera like this I would have ordered it straight away.
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Same boat here. M8 to red leather G4. For now Im really liking the G4 in all but in two major aspects; one is the bad battery life compared to M8 (no more over 7hour screen on times ) and the other is bad audio quality. In audio it just cant match M8 neither on speaker (obviosly), headphones or bluetooth audio. I could live with the ok audio and loud but tinny speaker but the bt-audio streaming is something horrible :/. Cant listen to music from the phone in my car anymore . I dont have heat or bad lag issues but then again it might be the launcher and/or the other apps that I use dont cause that much lag. But I really really like the camera and the screen. Oh man if M9 had screen (not the resolution but the colors and outside readability) and camera like this I would have ordered it straight away.
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You are having 7 hours screen on time??? OMG I am hardly getting 3.5 hours!!!!
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I agree with some of what you've said. I used to be an HTC fanboi. I have used HTC flagships for the last 6 or 7 years. I only switched from the M8 to the G4 because the M9 wasn't worth the upgrade.
Personally I love the G4. Its a nice step up from the M8. Remember it's only been out a short time, and is still on it's initial release. When it's been tested in the public for a little time, LG will no doubt patch it to improve on things. Just give it some time.
I don't see any performance issues though. I have no delay when opening apps.
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How did you handle the transition from a more mature user interface ?
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nipun1110 said:
OMG I am hardly getting 3.5 hours!!!!
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What is your screen brightness set to indoors ? or is it on auto brightness.
liked the comparison with desire 816 for size, that one is so much bigger for the same screen.
People still use those memory cleaners?
That is what's causing your lag and battery drain.
Android is DESIGNED to keeps apps in memory to reduce cpu time to open it again. By cleaning the memory you are forcing the phone to do extra work that it normally wouldn't have to do when opening an app. Android will automatically clear memory that it needs to do something else.
Your phone will feel fastest and perform the best when your ram usage is between 50 and 80 percent.
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You are having 7 hours screen on time??? OMG I am hardly getting 3.5 hours!!!!
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With m8 the longest screen on time was over 14hours when reading a book inside with everything on and no battery savers on. Average was something like 5 hours. With G4 i get maybe 4-5hours SOT if Im careful. Oh and screen brightness is set to 65-70 with auto in both phones.
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I already exchanged the phone from the retailer with another one. Will check this one carefully. Right now doing the first charge switching off the phone. I will report later on. BTW I found avoiding autobrightness is a good option. Adjust the brightness whenever necessary.
And what is your usual setting indoors ? mention the number..
auto is the most efficient but its dimmer.
One Twelve said:
And what is your usual setting indoors ? mention the number..
auto is the most efficient but its dimmer.
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Check this link & u will find auto brightness is not that helpful, rather killing battery & I personally saw an improvement killing it.
http://www.androidpit.com/how-to-save-battery-life
Check this link for my at present battery update of New G4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61214824
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Check this link for my at present battery update of New G4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61214824
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Ok, so you use your phone with a screen brightness of 50% indoors.
Some use more others use less. this plays a factor.
Good to see that you have noticed an improvement with the replacement but its annoying to have to exchange devices like this. You're not the only one, i've heard similar stories from a couple of others as well.
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Ok, so you use your phone with a screen brightness of 50% indoors.
Some use more others use less. this plays a factor.
Good to see that you have noticed an improvement with the replacement but its annoying to have to exchange devices like this. You're not the only one, i've heard similar stories from a couple of others as well.
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yah I have seen many posts of such. But I am really enjoying my new device. Even charging problem also solved. But man, u gotta switch off the auto brightness - take my opinion.
Good read. Glad some issues are fixed with the newer unit.
It is odd there is a fixed resolution with each ratio. But whatever, I leave it on 16x9 lol
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Recently received the Sony Xperia Z3+ and I must say – I quite enjoy it. Dare I say it’s even better than the LG G4 (for me). I’ll break down the pros and cons of the Z3+, then compare it to the G4 in whole.
A few pics of the Z3+ and its contents here!
Pros:
Astonishing build quality
Expandable storage
Near stock Android UI (personal preference)
Dust/water resistant
Side buttons have great tactile feel
Dedicated camera button
Battery life and settings for extended use
Very fast and responsive
Cons:
Screen real estate could be better (bezel to screen ratio)
Camera is very, very outdated. Lots of noise from the front facing camera
Speakers do not get loud at all
Overheating issues (on newest firmware, still gets hot)
The phone was ordered off eBay from never-msrp without a hiccup. They shipped it on Monday and I received it Wednesday afternoon. This is the E6553 version, I decided to get this specific one since it has the bands that T-Mobile’s LTE runs on. As you can see from the pictures, the phone came with an added car charger, European power brick, and a converter for use in the U.S.A. It also came with headphones (something my Z1 C6906 didn’t come with) and your standard black micro USB cable. Nothing really special.
Overall, the Z3+ is great. It may not be a direct upgrade for those that have the Z3, but I still have my old Z1 and it’s a definite upgrade from that. I’ve used a Z2 before and it’s an upgrade from that as well. The phone feels great and I have been enjoying it for the past couple of days. It has definitely not hiccupped at all, save for some Bluetooth issues with my car (my Tesla can be cumbersome connecting at times, had issues with my G4 too). The phone is fast as hell, and I LOVE the near stock Android UI. After running CM11 on my Huawei Ascend Mate 7, CM12 on my G3, CM12.1 on my Nexus 6 – I really cannot stand bloated UI’s. Nova Launcher helps a bit with bloaty UI’s but it doesn’t mask it completely. The pull down quick settings, and full settings interface on the Z3+ (and on Sony’s version of Lollipop in general) is great and deeply desirable. As mentioned above, the cons of the phone are apparent – the overheating issues have not dissipated as of the latest firmware update (I’m currently on 28.0.A.7.24), and the camera is really showing its age now, especially in comparison to its rivals. The speakers do not get loud, but at least emit clear sound. And while the phone is 5.2” in screen size, it is overall the same size as the G4, which has the added benefit of .3” in screen size. It may seem miniscule, but after using the two phones back and forth, I definitely notice the difference.
On to the comparison – the G4 vs. Z3+. I used the G4 for a little bit, and while I enjoyed it, I was growing tiresome of the issues it faced. The unresponsive screen (double tap to wake was a travesty), the bloated UI, and the lag I sometimes experienced ruined it a bit for me. The G4 is still an amazing phone, but until LG can work out some software issues, it isn’t so fun to use every day. Where the G4 shines is its camera. I’m sure many of you have heard of its magnificence and I’m here to further perpetuate it – it’s a brilliant camera. The shots you see of the Z3+ were taken with the G4. In comparison, the Z3+ takes good shots, but just overall clarity and low light performance – the G4 wins out easily. I can honestly say that if Sony were to just insert the cameras from the G4 into the Z3+, they’d easily have one of the best phones of 2015.
Ergonomics wise, the Z3+ is just as comfortable as the G4, don’t let the “curved” aspect of the G4 fool you, it doesn’t make much of a difference at all. The Z3+ is better to use while it lays on a flat surface too, as the G4 is curved and does shakes about when tapped on either side. The G4 wins out in terms of screen real estate though. The two phones are nearly identical in terms of height and width, but the G4 has more screen. I also feel as if QHD is worthless on these smaller screens, and you cannot tell the different in terms of sheer pixels between QHD and FHD with your naked eye. I’d much rather have better battery life and performance with an FHD screen.
The Z3+ also obviously wins out in terms of battery life due to the aforementioned FHD, and the stamina modes that Sony provides. The inability to take out and replace the battery means the G4 wins in that aspect, but the build quality and feel of the Z3+ more than makes up for it IMO. At 40% brightness, and texting with Google’s Messenger, WhatsApp, some music from Poweramp, and with some light Chrome browsing, the absolute best I could get was a little over 4 hours of SoT on the G4; this was done with WiFi off, no GPS, no Bluetooth. The Z3+ however, has given me a 4 and a half hours of SoT at higher brightness (well above 60%), location set to battery saving, music being played via Bluetooth, and a Moto 360 connected with the same use – texting, WhatsApp, and some internet browsing using Chrome while on WiFi.
Overall, I’d say the victor is the Z3+ for me. I have a penchant for stock Android, and the G4 is just far too bloated for my taste. Both phones are fast, but the Z3+ is just a bit snappier thanks to the 810 SoC. The Z3+ has its ups, but if you’re the type that enjoys a bigger screen and likes taking photos, the G4 is definitely for you. But being the type of guy that values battery life, stock UI look, and what not – the Z3+ is definitely the phone for me. If Sony’s next phone could include a camera on par with the G4 and perhaps slim down the bezels, they’d have a genuine winner. Apparently Sony is investing a tonne of money into cameras for their mobile phones, so we can expect the successor of the Z3+/Z4 to have a top of the line camera. I greatly look forward to that!
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Recently received the Sony Xperia Z3+ and I must say – I quite enjoy it. Dare I say it’s even better than the LG G4 (for me). I’ll break down the pros and cons of the Z3+, then compare it to the G4 in whole.
A few pics of the Z3+ and its contents here!
Pros:
Astonishing build quality
Expandable storage
Near stock Android UI (personal preference)
Dust/water resistant
Side buttons have great tactile feel
Dedicated camera button
Battery life and settings for extended use
Very fast and responsive
Cons:
Screen real estate could be better (bezel to screen ratio)
Camera is very, very outdated. Lots of noise from the front facing camera
Speakers do not get loud at all
Overheating issues (on newest firmware, still gets hot)
The phone was ordered off eBay from never-msrp without a hiccup. They shipped it on Monday and I received it Wednesday afternoon. This is the E6553 version, I decided to get this specific one since it has the bands that T-Mobile’s LTE runs on. As you can see from the pictures, the phone came with an added car charger, European power brick, and a converter for use in the U.S.A. It also came with headphones (something my Z1 C6906 didn’t come with) and your standard black micro USB cable. Nothing really special.
Overall, the Z3+ is great. It may not be a direct upgrade for those that have the Z3, but I still have my old Z1 and it’s a definite upgrade from that. I’ve used a Z2 before and it’s an upgrade from that as well. The phone feels great and I have been enjoying it for the past couple of days. It has definitely not hiccupped at all, save for some Bluetooth issues with my car (my Tesla can be cumbersome connecting at times, had issues with my G4 too). The phone is fast as hell, and I LOVE the near stock Android UI. After running CM11 on my Huawei Ascend Mate 7, CM12 on my G3, CM12.1 on my Nexus 6 – I really cannot stand bloated UI’s. Nova Launcher helps a bit with bloaty UI’s but it doesn’t mask it completely. The pull down quick settings, and full settings interface on the Z3+ (and on Sony’s version of Lollipop in general) is great and deeply desirable. As mentioned above, the cons of the phone are apparent – the overheating issues have not dissipated as of the latest firmware update (I’m currently on 28.0.A.7.24), and the camera is really showing its age now, especially in comparison to its rivals. The speakers do not get loud, but at least emit clear sound. And while the phone is 5.2” in screen size, it is overall the same size as the G4, which has the added benefit of .3” in screen size. It may seem miniscule, but after using the two phones back and forth, I definitely notice the difference.
On to the comparison – the G4 vs. Z3+. I used the G4 for a little bit, and while I enjoyed it, I was growing tiresome of the issues it faced. The unresponsive screen (double tap to wake was a travesty), the bloated UI, and the lag I sometimes experienced ruined it a bit for me. The G4 is still an amazing phone, but until LG can work out some software issues, it isn’t so fun to use every day. Where the G4 shines is its camera. I’m sure many of you have heard of its magnificence and I’m here to further perpetuate it – it’s a brilliant camera. The shots you see of the Z3+ were taken with the G4. In comparison, the Z3+ takes good shots, but just overall clarity and low light performance – the G4 wins out easily. I can honestly say that if Sony were to just insert the cameras from the G4 into the Z3+, they’d easily have one of the best phones of 2015.
Ergonomics wise, the Z3+ is just as comfortable as the G4, don’t let the “curved” aspect of the G4 fool you, it doesn’t make much of a difference at all. The Z3+ is better to use while it lays on a flat surface too, as the G4 is curved and does shakes about when tapped on either side. The G4 wins out in terms of screen real estate though. The two phones are nearly identical in terms of height and width, but the G4 has more screen. I also feel as if QHD is worthless on these smaller screens, and you cannot tell the different in terms of sheer pixels between QHD and FHD with your naked eye. I’d much rather have better battery life and performance with an FHD screen.
The Z3+ also obviously wins out in terms of battery life due to the aforementioned FHD, and the stamina modes that Sony provides. The inability to take out and replace the battery means the G4 wins in that aspect, but the build quality and feel of the Z3+ more than makes up for it IMO. At 40% brightness, and texting with Google’s Messenger, WhatsApp, some music from Poweramp, and with some light Chrome browsing, the absolute best I could get was a little over 4 hours of SoT on the G4; this was done with WiFi off, no GPS, no Bluetooth. The Z3+ however, has given me a 4 and a half hours of SoT at higher brightness (well above 60%), location set to battery saving, music being played via Bluetooth, and a Moto 360 connected with the same use – texting, WhatsApp, and some internet browsing using Chrome while on WiFi.
Overall, I’d say the victor is the Z3+ for me. I have a penchant for stock Android, and the G4 is just far too bloated for my taste. Both phones are fast, but the Z3+ is just a bit snappier thanks to the 810 SoC. The Z3+ has its ups, but if you’re the type that enjoys a bigger screen and likes taking photos, the G4 is definitely for you. But being the type of guy that values battery life, stock UI look, and what not – the Z3+ is definitely the phone for me. If Sony’s next phone could include a camera on par with the G4 and perhaps slim down the bezels, they’d have a genuine winner. Apparently Sony is investing a tonne of money into cameras for their mobile phones, so we can expect the successor of the Z3+/Z4 to have a top of the line camera. I greatly look forward to that!
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I had the same problem but I did a repair on PC after the OTA update and the "overheating" is completely gone now (even when I record in 4k). It might fix your problem, just saying.
Awesome review man. Super detailed and informative. Couldn't agree more. Extremely happy with my Z3+ coming from the Sammy S6.
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I had the same problem but I did a repair on PC after the OTA update and the "overheating" is completely gone now (even when I record in 4k). It might fix your problem, just saying.
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Mind explaining in a little more detail. I'm curious as to what the process involves. May try it out.
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Awesome review man. Super detailed and informative. Couldn't agree more. Extremely happy with my Z3+ coming from the Sammy S6.
Mind explaining in a little more detail. I'm curious as to what the process involves. May try it out.
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What he meant is
1. Get the latest fw (.24 version) if you haven't already
2. 'Repair' through PC companion even if it says 'phone is up to date'
Btw, I also have an S6. I was interested in G4 too as I need to carry two phones. Just like OP's case, the bloated UI killed it for me. SD808 coupled with LPDDR3 didn't help either. It's a great phone nonetheless.
Great Review, OP!
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Awesome review man. Super detailed and informative. Couldn't agree more. Extremely happy with my Z3+ coming from the Sammy S6.
Mind explaining in a little more detail. I'm curious as to what the process involves. May try it out.
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1. Visit this link:
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/tools/pc-companion/
Click on Download PC companion
2.Run the software
After the installation the first screen will show you the PC Companion Startup Guide which gives you a brief explanation on the main modules of PC companion (Support Zone, Xperia Transfer, Contact setup and Media Go) Keep clicking next.
3.Now you will see the screen with the different modules.
Select Support Zone> Click Start. *The program will download the module.
Then click on start on Phone/Tablet Software update. (Here you can choose to update an accessory, go to step 14 for instructions)
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Note:*At this point*if*you get an error stating that "unable to install update components" or "server is busy" Please proceed to step 13 . If you not see that error then continue with step 4.
4. The program will show a window saying "could not find phone/Tablet”*Do not Connect*phone*instead select*Repair my phone/tablet.*This will bring you to a window with a warning that says "data will be lost" (do you want to continue) Select to continue (Data in the phone will be deleted, only data in the SD card will remain. Make sure you have done all proper backups if possible)
6. The program will issue a second warning stating that “data saved in the phone /tablet will be overwritten during the update of your phone”. Click on the checkmark box next to the acceptance text and select Next to continue.
7. Next the computer will download the necessary files (Prepare stage, this can take several minutes depending on the speed of your connection) and then its done it will show you a list of recommendations for a successful update operation. When you are done reading this section click on the checkmark box and press Continue
8. Next you will get a Battery level warning that states that your phone should have at least 80% battery. (If the issue in the phone does not permit the unit from turning on, then charge it connected to the wall charger for at least 2 hours and then comeback to this step) Then click on the checkmark and select Next
9. Choose the Phone from the list then click on "next" then you will see a new section telling you how to connect the phone.*(don't connect it yet)*Again, at this point the phone must be*off and disconnected*from the PC.
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10.. Connect the cable to the PC not to the phone, then while*pressing and*holding*the indicated button*(in the steps on screen an specific button will be shown for you to press on the phone) connect the cable to the phone and keep holding the indicated button until the program says "the update of your phone has started..." (in some cases a message of *"Installing drivers" will appear before the message of "the update of your phone has started..." *is shown.)
11. If you failed to follow the steps correctly the phone will turn on. If this happens disconnect the phone from the cable, turn it off and repeat from step 10).
12. If the phone is connected properly, PC Companion will proceed with the update ( It will tell you to let go of the key) then wait for the update to finish and follow instructions on screen to disconnect the unit.
Screenshot of my battery life for today.
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WiFi on 90% of the time since my home is a T-Mobile dead spot. Brightness at 55% or so. Day consisted of heavy texting via Google Messenger and WhatsApp. Decent amount of Google chrome use, light camera use (myfitnesspal, Snapchat), light music via Bluetooth, light Facebook and Instagram use as well. 5+ hours of SoT, I could've easily squeezed out more if I didn't have background services like MightyText running. With root, and Xposed - we'll get amazing battery life.
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Screenshot of my battery life for today.
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WiFi on 90% of the time since my home is a T-Mobile dead spot. Brightness at 55% or so. Day consisted of heavy texting via Google Messenger and WhatsApp. Decent amount of Google chrome use, light camera use (myfitnesspal, Snapchat), light music via Bluetooth, light Facebook and Instagram use as well. 5+ hours of SoT, I could've easily squeezed out more if I didn't have background services like MightyText running. With root, and Xposed - we'll get amazing battery life.
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I'm not getting this or even close. My battery life, much as it pains me to say, is quite possibly worse than my Galaxy S6.
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If Sony’s next phone could include a camera on par with the G4 and perhaps slim down the bezels, they’d have a genuine winner. Apparently Sony is investing a tonne of money into cameras for their mobile phones, so we can expect the successor of the Z3+/Z4 to have a top of the line camera. I greatly look forward to that!
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Do you really think Sony would include a camera to compete with G4? I don't think so bro.
I mean I have Z2 and Superior Auto mode they need to really fix and give more manual settings. I mean we have the same exact Camera app on KK and LP for Z2 users. Then there comes the Z3+ but it has the same Camera app and UI.
I meant they could just give user to give more controls to play with and get rid of the Bluish Tint effect on Superior Auto mode so the photos won't be crappy or blown or you know etc...
I hope you could shoot up some pics and share with us. G4 and Z3+ and see if the Red is really Red when you shoot photos in SA cause Z2 it's all pink
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I'm not getting this or even close. My battery life, much as it pains me to say, is quite possibly worse than my Galaxy S6.
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Try a 'repair' through PC companion. Actually it's always a good idea to do a 'repair' after OTA updates. My available RAM is now 1.9GB compared to 1.6GB I used to get on the same fw build with the exact same apps running. I can't get more than 1.2GB on my S6 without any app running.
My S6's battery life is also quite worse than my Z3+'s. What's your SoT & display brightness setting?
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Try a 'repair' through PC companion. Actually it's always a good idea to do a 'repair' after OTA updates. My available RAM is now 1.9GB compared to 1.6GB I used to get on the same fw build with the exact same apps running. I can't get more than 1.2GB on my S6 without any app running.
My S6's battery life is also quite worse than my Z3+'s. What's your SoT & display brightness setting?
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I use auto brightness. Sot was 2.2 hours at 30% charge left.
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I use auto brightness. Sot was 2.2 hours at 30% charge left.
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The 'auto' brightness doesn't exist anymore. It's semi-auto now on newer android versions. So what's the 'brightness level' even though the 'adaptive brightness' is on?
Could you also post the screenshot of battery usage like OP did?
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I'm not getting this or even close. My battery life, much as it pains me to say, is quite possibly worse than my Galaxy S6.
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What apps are draining your battery? Do you have location turned on with WiFi being on when the phone is turned off? Since day 1 of owning this phone, I've had pretty great battery life.
Greenify helps loads too. Even though it isn't too effective without root/xposed, I just swipe up from a homescreen app on the dock (using nova launcher) and it hibernates and locks the screen, as opposed to just using the power button.
I've also disabled a few of the Google apps like Newstand, Movies & TV, etc. Those apps are constantly woken up for no reason, so disabling them helps a bit. Also, forcing your phone not to sync with all of Google's services helps a bit too. I use 3 different Gmail accounts, none of them are synced with the services I don't use. Tiny things like that add up eventually, and will give you better battery life.
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The 'auto' brightness doesn't exist anymore. It's semi-auto now on newer android versions. So what's the 'brightness level' even though the 'adaptive brightness' is on?
Could you also post the screenshot of battery usage like OP did?
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Brightness is 50. Cant do a screeny. Apps crashes every time i try.
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What apps are draining your battery? Do you have location turned on with WiFi being on when the phone is turned off? Since day 1 of owning this phone, I've had pretty great battery life.
Greenify helps loads too. Even though it isn't too effective without root/xposed, I just swipe up from a homescreen app on the dock (using nova launcher) and it hibernates and locks the screen, as opposed to just using the power button.
I've also disabled a few of the Google apps like Newstand, Movies & TV, etc. Those apps are constantly woken up for no reason, so disabling them helps a bit. Also, forcing your phone not to sync with all of Google's services helps a bit too. I use 3 different Gmail accounts, none of them are synced with the services I don't use. Tiny things like that add up eventually, and will give you better battery life.
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Instagram and screen are the only 2 culprits.
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AhsanU said:
What apps are draining your battery? Do you have location turned on with WiFi being on when the phone is turned off? Since day 1 of owning this phone, I've had pretty great battery life.
Greenify helps loads too. Even though it isn't too effective without root/xposed, I just swipe up from a homescreen app on the dock (using nova launcher) and it hibernates and locks the screen, as opposed to just using the power button.
I've also disabled a few of the Google apps like Newstand, Movies & TV, etc. Those apps are constantly woken up for no reason, so disabling them helps a bit. Also, forcing your phone not to sync with all of Google's services helps a bit too. I use 3 different Gmail accounts, none of them are synced with the services I don't use. Tiny things like that add up eventually, and will give you better battery life.
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I have every Google apps aside from chrome and Google voice disabled.
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I have every Google apps aside from chrome and Google voice disabled.
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You mean just the apps right? Not things like Google Service Frameowrk, Google Play Services, Google Partner Set Up, etc.
I also have Stamina mode constantly running with my main apps on the list of apps that are exempted (WhatsApp, Greenify, Google Messenger, etc.)
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You mean just the apps right? Not things like Google Service Frameowrk, Google Play Services, Google Partner Set Up, etc.
I also have Stamina mode constantly running with my main apps on the list of apps that are exempted (WhatsApp, Greenify, Google Messenger, etc.)
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Haha yes. The apps only. And yeah I have the same setup.
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Haha yes. The apps only. And yeah I have the same setup.
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Damn! I have no idea what's going on then. If I were you, I'd just run a repair through Sony's PC Companion software (backing up is painless, might as well do that too) and try running the phone again afterwards. If that fails and you're still getting really bad SoT, it might be worth contacting Sony and telling them you've got a faulty product. There's no excuse for the type of SoT you're getting honestly.
Yeah that's the plan. Goota wait til home though. WiFi is so awful at my job.
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Brightness is 50. Cant do a screeny. Apps crashes every time i try.
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Set brightness level to 0 with adaptive brightness on. It'll still adapt even under direct sunlight as long as your light sensor is not dead or blocked. You can trust me on that.
How come things crash when you try to do a screenshot? Doesn't make any sense. You just need to go the battery usage under setting and long press the power button!!
schecter7 said:
Set brightness level to 0 with adaptive brightness on. It'll still adapt even under direct sunlight as long as your light sensor is not dead or blocked. You can trust me on that.
How come things crash when you try to do a screenshot? Doesn't make any sense. You just need to go the battery usage under setting and long press the power button!!
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Sorry no. I meant Tapatalk crashes.
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We're not the same page. Whatever.... good luck anyway.