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Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
seems like pebkac not buggy firmware . otherwise every single guy would be facing same problems and that's not happening .
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totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
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Just to clarify, did you receive an update package sometime after the primary update?
4.4.3 works fine on my US GSM moto G. But it might be different for others.
Also, add a warning to the OP that if you're already on 4.4.3+, you can't downgrade anymore. Motoboot from 4.4.3+ doesn't seem to like downgrading anymore, unfortunately.
4.2.2 works great, no signal drops or anything. Waiting for eupean 4.4.4. :good:
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Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
I totally agree to ovitz. Updates are supposed to fix issues with older versions of the software. My moto came with 4.4.2 and i never had issues with signal drops. I am from India. Btw it's always better to reset phone after the update.
I agree with you OP on some extent. I also recently downgraded to 4.3 from 4.4.2 just for the lulz, because I was getting "image is too large" error but surprisingly today the flashing was successful. The battery timing has improved, dialer app is cooler than that of the 4.4.2. I'm finding these changes quite interesting because I didn't stay with 4.3 for too long; my Moto G received the KitKat update the moment I powered it on for the first time.
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Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
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While I do agree with you for most of what you said, not everyone has bugs or issues with their phones on 4.4.3/4.4.4 upgrade. I myself has had one bug that came with the phone since 4.3 and it's worst now on 4.4.3 and ironically, I've gotten all the bugs on the 4.4.3 that others were getting on 4.4.2. I ended up putting on CM11 because it was getting to me.
P.S. It's impossible to downgrade from 4.4.3/4.4.4. I would love to downgrade back to 4.3. Never got the chance to see how it behaved on my phone because I updated to 4.4.2 the moment I booted for the first time.
Did I mention the "Sign in to WiFi" error on the 4.4.2? That's annoying as hell.
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Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
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It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
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It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
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but you can't downgrade the bootloader, so didn't you get any errors?
Not that guy, Don't touch the motoboot and you should be fine
There's no point of updating your phone unless youare receiving it over OTA. Doing it manually is risky. The only thing that you'll get is new AOSP dialer and few security fixes. There's no reward..no improvement in performance as well as in camera quality. People are reporting bugs all over the globe and they desperatly want to switch back to 4.4.2. Few have them are also facing downgrading issues.
And you want to go through all this for just a minor update? Android L could be a good reason as it is worth updating even after bugs. But a minor update is definitely not.
If some one will ask me which is best ROM for my moto g? I would say Stock 4.4.2. I tried all custom ROMs but no one was as smooth as stock 4.4.2.
Consequences be damn'ed.
Simple answer- yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man.
Indian user. Unlocker my bootloader, Converted to GPE while on 4.4.2. The GpE move was made partly because I had jo desire nor the use if a second sim and mostly because I wanted a clean OS. Period.
Got instant OTA update to 4.4.4 to the day it was pushed.
No issues so far, None in fact and it's been over a week or thereabouts(I admit to the likelihood of me being an isolated case)
Lastly, to each his own.
Android is meant to be taken care of AS WELL tinker every single detail or option if you have the cojones for it. Ciao.
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I have just upgrade to 4.4.4 XT1033 (Malaysian), noted the missing 2 empty simcard icone and new rather flat dialer! nothing much has changed and certainly hasn't noticed any issue mentioned herein!
If one were to go by op opinion then they would be using 4.3 for the rest of the devices life ! I wonder what his comment would be once L comes to our device.
I have to disagree the OP as an xt1033 owner since march 2014.
Android 4.4.4 OTA for moto g helps fix various sw issues and increased performance,new baseband to aid the radio issues. Media playback is improved. The device is more of a swiss-tool now.
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
Semseddin said:
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
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Just curious, if it eats more battery how come you call it a dream?
I readed very posts which complained about bad battery life of kitkat update. But i ve encountered opposite. Kitkat update for p602 has just come about a week. And battery life is awesome, i think. Today i watched five episodes of doctor who, and read lots of articles, but i used tablet over 10 hours with a single charge cycle .
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I readed very posts which complained about bad battery life of kitkat update. But i ve encountered opposite. Kitkat update for p602 has just come about a week. And battery life is awesome, i think. Today i watched five episodes of doctor who, and read lots of articles, but i used tablet over 10 hours with a single charge cycle .
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Happy to hear that. I realized that the firmware is ND4, releasing April firmware on November Samsung is messing with Turkish customers
macrostr said:
Happy to hear that. I realized that the firmware is ND4, releasing April firmware on November Samsung is messing with Turkish customers
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I noticed that too. But what can we do.
In Turkish...
buna da sukur, umidi kesmistim, knox mox demeden yukleyecektim artik, ama geldi yine de sonunda.
Do you guys happen to know any P601 users? I m trying to change my P602 to P601 firmware completely but stuck with the P602 bootloader .
did they released p602 kitkat or is it from another region ? . P600 fw for turkey is not released yet if i am not wrong
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did they released p602 kitkat or is it from another region ? . P600 fw for turkey is not released yet if i am nor wrong
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Yes they released it for p602
cantfindanick said:
did they released p602 kitkat or is it from another region ? . P600 fw for turkey is not released yet if i am nor wrong
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idk if p600 fw for turkey released or not but since model number etc doesnt change for p600 you can flash another country stock firmware without tripping knox.
Hello the update to android lollipop 5.0.2 just arived my device.
I was very frustrated the last time, cause there was no uptate for my device,
but it just came out.
Well I am hope that the time to marshmallow will not be so long
Moto E 2015 comes out of the box with 5.0.2! You must be talking about some other update. And update to marshmallow is mostly not gonna come Motorola didn't mention this device in their list
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It's a small update to patch the stagefright bug.
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Moto E 2015 comes out of the box with 5.0.2! You must be talking about some other update. And update to marshmallow is mostly not gonna come Motorola didn't mention this device in their list
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This is not right. I bought my device in a normal store for electronic goods. The device has no brand, is a regular device and 5.0.1 was installed - not 5.0.2
Madricks said:
This is not right. I bought my device in a normal store for electronic goods. The device has no brand, is a regular device and 5.0.1 was installed - not 5.0.2
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I think he said that because some E variants shipped with 5.0.2 (such as the Verizon variant). Some of the international variants are behind in updates, 5.1.1 (w/ stage fix) is the one that's desirable.
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5.1.1 (w/ stage fix) is the one that's desirable.
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exactly, 5.0.2 is ages behind
Ace42 said:
I think he said that because some E variants shipped with 5.0.2 (such as the Verizon variant). Some of the international variants are behind in updates, 5.1.1 (w/ stage fix) is the one that's desirable.
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You got it
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For those interested, in regards to Motorola's failure to meet update commitments. http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-e-2015/general/motorola-failure-to-meet-update-t3237398
I've noticed a lot of people keep saying that were on version 5.1.1 but we're not we are on version 5.1.
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I've noticed a lot of people keep saying that were on version 5.1.1 but we're not we are on version 5.1.
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This is true, and that may matter for some things but the important thing in this case is that Moto posed a 5.0.x update as 5.1.x, which is shameful, and there is a years-long pattern of failing to update that we want them to fix.
to all the guys on the international variant who have problems with sot and overheating issue, lg knows about the problems and they are working on a new update, i saw this on a german forum they are allready testing it so it should come online in one or 2 weeks.This information was given them by the lg support. Wanted to share u this because i only saw it in german forum and not on xda. So we just have to wait now
My h815 never heated up, and the SOT was about 3h30m or 4h, depends on the use that i was giving.
If its for us to have 5h....YUPIIII !!!
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My h815 never heated up, and the SOT was about 3h30m or 4h, depends on the use that i was giving.
If its for us to have 5h....YUPIIII !!!
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So m8 u are one of the lucky users but there are some issues on some h815 like strange battery drainage fron 95 to 50% and randomly heating up peocessors even with clean installation of v20d. And sometimes calls dont work properly they are buggy too. And further i have to say that this is the information given us in the german forum by the lg support workers. Lets wait for the changelog we'll see then what has been changed
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So m8 u are one of the lucky users but there are some issues on some h815 like strange battery drainage fron 95 to 50% and randomly heating up peocessors even with clean installation of v20d. And sometimes calls dont work properly they are buggy too. And further i have to say that this is the information given us in the german forum by the lg support workers. Lets wait for the changelog we'll see then what has been changed
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My model is the 506.
I had install the 20F version this weekend, and so far, so god, but, let´s see what LG says in the next version on the changelog
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to all the guys on the international variant who have problems with sot and overheating issue, lg knows about the problems and they are working on a new update, i saw this on a german forum they are allready testing it so it should come online in one or 2 weeks.This information was given them by the lg support. Wanted to share u this because i only saw it in german forum and not on xda. So we just have to wait now
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Thank you for the information!
From what I saw - in V20f LG already fixed the SOT and the heating problem.
Yeah but dont forget that v20f is for turkey and we are officially on v20d so as far as we go officially the issues arent solved for International/european models. And maybe lg releases v20f as v20e for us europeans, lets wait it out
I hope it will be 6.0.1
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Yeah but dont forget that v20f is for turkey and we are officially on v20d so as far as we go officially the issues arent solved for International/european models. And maybe lg releases v20f as v20e for us europeans, lets wait it out
I hope it will be 6.0.1
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You can install V20f on the international version
One question:
If I'm rooted,will I get information for the new software and will I be able to update it or I must unroot it first?
Btw,I'm on V20d-EUR-XX...
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Al0n said:
You can install V20f on the international version
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i know that but not over lg bridge, u have to use lg up for this and v20f isnt supposed for the european models because it should be turkey only. On lg bridge v20d is the latest os for my phone but anyway thanks
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i know that but not over lg bridge, u have to use lg up for this and v20f isnt supposed for the european models because it should be turkey only. On lg bridge v20d is the latest os for my phone but anyway thanks
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You can flash it with LG UP.
H815, H815TR, H815L, H815P are all the same model which is H815
Flashed v20f TR on my H815 GBR version serial start 509 Sept 2015 and software showed up as V20-Opt2-HQ so back on V20D and will wait on official release for EU models.
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Stransky said:
Flashed v20f TR on my H815 GBR version serial start 509 Sept 2015 and software showed up as V20-Opt2-HQ so back on V20D and will wait on official release for EU models.
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Mine is from Portugal and before I flash 20f it was v20d-opt2 in factory version now is v20f-opt1..... Change the lte icon, volte don't work....I think because my provider don't support that feature.
I will keep this version because besides that I was mencion it works great!
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I think when the actualization will be available, the official one will be shown for you (v20d → v20x for example) and nevermind if you are on v20f opt2 ...
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When I have had my LG G2 before I bought G4 it was same as I wrote. I flashed some KDZ and few days after that had been pushed an actualization for my model and the former LG PC suite offered me the update.
Can you add the source please?
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One question:
If I'm rooted,will I get information for the new software and will I be able to update it or I must unroot it first?
Btw,I'm on V20d-EUR-XX...
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Anyone?
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Cloudus91 said:
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samitro said:
Can you add the source please?
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if u want to know where i got that info from it was on the german forum android-hilfe in the battery thread and the g4 6.0 update discussion thread i dont know if its allowed to post a link of that forum but i´ll do it and if its forbidden then mods can just delete them
http://www.android-hilfe.de/forum/lg-g4-h815-forum.2175/
like i said it was mentioned there a few days ago if u want i can post also the right place where it was mentioned but u guys will find it
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Anyone?
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If you are on stock firmware you'll be notified and will be able to update whether you are rooted or not (as long as you haven't disabled automatic checks). After the update you will have lost root.
Edit: welder73 a word of caution since many people don't realize that root and custom recovery are different things and you don't need one for the other: if you have installed a custom recovery and get notified about updates do not accept to install them (OverTheAir). Instead find a place to download the update and flash it using your custom recovery.
Today's morning all LG K10 K420 owners have received the notification no update to Android 6.0 version (V20a).
Now we have to check if KingRoot can root it!
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Now we have to check if KingRoot can root it!
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Just tried and it dosent work. Now there are two options:
1.Use Kingoroot
2.Wait for exploit that works with Android 6.0
The second option seems to be more logical since the Marshmallow update was released 2 days ago.
i don't have any update yet, on lg bridge too :/
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i don't have any update yet, on lg bridge too :/
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Are you sure you have the K420n model? Maybe auto update is disabled.
yes, it's 100% K420n but with Play brand
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yes, it's 100% K420n but with Play brand
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I think Play will be the last carrier to release Android 6.0 for this phone. You have to wait. If you are rooted then dont update or else you risk bricking your phone.
if it is true, pleake post screenshot with marshmellow on k420n
Guys, I don't suggest you to root your device. Marshmallow has Android Boot verification. What's it? It checks the all partitions if anything changed from stock. If it sees somethings has changed, might block your device. I just warn you, be careful and know what you'll do.
Yes I'm with 'berkantlz'. Chainsfire has developed a new way to successfully root Android 6.0 by not modifying the /system partition, but this is only for certain devices.
If anyone want to update to Android 6.0.1 on LG K10, it's OK. But by now DON'T TRY TO ROOT IT.
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Yes I'm with 'berkantlz'. Chainsfire has developed a new way to successfully root Android 6.0 by not modifying the /system partition, but this is only for certain devices.
If anyone want to update to Android 6.0.1 on LG K10, it's OK. But by now DON'T TRY TO ROOT IT.
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Yeah he did that. Can anyone, who could connect want help from him for us? I already sent a pm but he didn't answer me. May we spam him Lol
Ask this if he reply;
We've a device called as LG K10. It's 2 variants, QCOMM and MTK. These both devices are running with Android 6, so they've Android boot verification. We'd love to root them, but no chance cause of this verity system. Can you help us to root our devices?
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If anyone can confirm this information ? only here I can read that mm came out for k420n?
I got the k420n version but there's no Marhmallow update..
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Today's morning all LG K10 K420 owners have received the notification no update to Android 6.0 version (V20a).
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Can u take a screenshot and post it please?
I forgot to mention but Android 6 is only available (by now) por certain phone companies, not all, even if you bought the same model.
But you have available to download and install Android 6.0.1 KDZ file from (Orange = Spain and Plus = Poland) companies, that if is not the official LG firmware (without phone's companies bloatware), you could install the last android version for it phone model.
For links, visit the LG K10 WhatsApp Group.
When called in to lg netherlands cust support today to ask for the carrier-free update status they told me the guys in seoul still had to test some things before they flip the switch. So lets hope the korean todo list is not too long...
marshmellow
LG K10 (K420n)Poland Plus , yesterday received 6.0 (778mb ota) V20B
see screenshot
Play (Poland) have got the v20b too
K430TR Turkey model has got V20y yesterday. It's already shipped with 6.0 but yeah
I have a marshmallow for about a week and i can say something about that
The first is battery, it's working shorter (Screen-On-Time 3h 30m) but Doze mode is perfect
I have got themes option and SmartWorld (i know it was in LP already but my carrier turned it off) and many new functions.
Light sensor and VPN works better.
Now On Tap worked good too but it turned off and i don't know how to turn it on back.
What about performance? The same like in LP, but it seems to me that animations is bit longer than on LP (just longer animations, no lags). Antutu? LP - 28k pts, MM - 27k pts.
After update i had problem with refreshing available wi-fis list and bluetooth just turning off after trying to connect with a speaker but hard reset helped and i haven't this problems now.
On LP i had lags on opening notifications panel with the navbar button, on MM it works perfect.
When I poweroff the screen and poweron back, i had about 1-2% of battery less. MM - no problem with this.
Don't Disturb Mode is quite difficult to use but works fine.
If you have questions ask here.
@edit my friend with nonbrand K10 (Poland) said that his phone is getting charged faster
K10 lte k420n slovakia T-mobile update to MM ? When will be ?