Hello everyone. I am coming from windows mobile which I have been using since 2003. I really like Android but I had a few questions and concerns.
1. I realized that apps have access to personal data and are able to access internet and dial. Should I be concerned? How can I be assured that an app developer is not after my bank info and such?
2. Why are so many apps running in the background when I haven't opened them?
I am already using advanced task killer but when i look at the apps running there's a full list even tho I didn't open them.
3. Is there a file explorer on android?
Any tips and tricks would be appreciated.
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Hello everyone. I am coming from windows mobile which I have been using since 2003. I really like Android but I had a few questions and concerns.
1. I realized that apps have access to personal data and are able to access internet and dial. Should I be concerned? How can I be assured that an app developer is not after my bank info and such?
Google confirms identities of developers. Use your best judgement. Is it possible? Yes. If an app has been out for a while and has lots of high ratings then I'm inclined to trust the developer. If Google does discover malicious software in their market they have tools to remotely remove such apps from everyones phone, kinda creepy but it's there for a good reason and it's all part of the decision you make about whether to trust the platform and the community that surrounds it.
2. Why are so many apps running in the background when I haven't opened them?
I am already using advanced task killer but when i look at the apps running there's a full list even tho I didn't open them.
That's the HTC/Sprint way. Get an app called Autostarts. You will be amazed at what runs automatically and autostarts will allow you to decide what runs and when.
3. Is there a file explorer on android?
Yes. One is not included in the stock rom but they are easy enough to find.
There are Terminal Emulators which equate to cmd in win, and there are file explorers too. Root Explorer is my personal favorite.
Any tips and tricks would be appreciated.
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1. Just use common sense like was said.
2. If you use the main apps that came with the phone you are fine. It can be apps you download that run in the background that hurt the battery life.
3. Astro file manager is by far my favorite app.
sammyluva said:
1. I realized that apps have access to personal data and are able to access internet and dial. Should I be concerned? How can I be assured that an app developer is not after my bank info and such?
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How did you prevent apps on WM from accessing this info? Answer..you didn't, the fact is that WM programs are even more scary because they don't even tell you what they are accessing.
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2. Why are so many apps running in the background when I haven't opened them?
I am already using advanced task killer but when i look at the apps running there's a full list even tho I didn't open them.
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Same answer as why are so many services running on your desktop when you have no programs running. Operating systems have all kinds of services running beside the app you are watching.
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3. Is there a file explorer on android?
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Uh...did you check the program icons?
1.) As stated, doesn't hurt to check the number of DLs an App has or checking through some of the comments. Can find out if an App is giving a specific phone issues too ... thus saving you time from bothering to check it out. Trust it or don't check it out. Understandable why some people would see that and wonder ... but then again your info is already out there ...
2.) They just do. Even some **** that might not make sense, it just does for it's own reasons. Task killing can be good and bad. Or just good. Or just bad. Depending on who you ask so think on it before you decide to start murdering Apps or leaving em running.
3.) Astro File Manager is "what's up" but there are others. But that 1 is legit though.
Thanks for all those that replied but I didn't really get a satisfying answer to the first 2 questions. It seems like some of the people on here are just confused as well but are defending android in thinking that I am against the operating system. As I said in my original post I like the OS but i had some concerns that i wanted to learn more about.
Ramiss, you asked how I knew what info WM accessed? You are right they don't disclose accessing any data which means to me they are not. If they did and I found out then I could take them to court but when a company discloses that they are accessing your personal data and you agree to it then you have no say in how that info is used since you gave them permission. Also I never had an app running that I didn't open or give it permission to run in the background during my years with WM.
I have the evo since Friday and I've downloaded a couple of apps where I saw the disclosure of the kind of access these apps have and I was just thinking whats the point of having the apps if you have to worry abt it accessing important info. Then I got an email from Marketplace telling me the activities of my friends on facebook marketplace. The email went further to tell me some of the activities of my friend's friends. The point is its accessing personal data I didn't give it access to, which is scary.
I came on here to ask the people that know the OS better but it seems like there are some confused people on here. So I did a little research and found the article below which basically concurs that there is a problem with apps on android accessing personal data.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...apps_pose_privacy_threat_says_security_vendor
So my question is, are there preventive ways to protect against apps using personal data? Of course other than abstaining from downloading apps. Like an app that would block access to personal data or tell a person what each app accessed and did with it. Please if you can not give an educated answer then don't reply. Thanks.
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Ramiss, you asked how I knew what info WM accessed? You are right they don't disclose accessing any data which means to me they are not. If they did and I found out then I could take them to court but when a company discloses that they are accessing your personal data and you agree to it then you have no say in how that info is used since you gave them permission. Also I never had an app running that I didn't open or give it permission to run in the background during my years with WM.
So my question is, are there preventive ways to protect against apps using personal data? Of course other than abstaining from downloading apps. Like an app that would block access to personal data or tell a person what each app accessed and did with it. Please if you can not give an educated answer then don't reply. Thanks.
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Actually my point was that Windows Mobile programs could easily access personal information, you just weren't aware of it. For example, try downloading a windows mobile program that handles your contacts (Pocket Informant comes to mind). Does the OS give you a warning that this new program will access your contacts? Not as far as I can remember! Whereas Android apps must disclose what they access, that is a rule from Google.
The way to protect an app from not accessing something is to not use it. This is the reason the access list is disclosed - so you have a choice not to continue.
As others have said you need to make your own decision based on the popularity of the app, the comments made and perhaps a quick Google search. Trust me, if an app is malicious there is a good chance you would know about it by reading the comments.
Edit: The end of that article you posted gives you the answer:
Android's security model requires that applications declare the permissions they will be using prior to installation by the user. An informed user can use these declarations to decide if they want to install an application or not, according to SMobile. However, the fact remains that there is no means available for a user to know for sure that the application they just downloaded is doing only what the user sees it doing, it said.
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As I was searching for something in the market place I ran across an Antivirus app:
Antivirus (Free version)
Antivirus ($9.99)
The Antivirus Pro (paid version) provides ongoing scanning of Android device, protecting against viruses, malware, OS exploits to ensure the integrity of applications and data. + Additional services for identifying phone location, using 'findR' to find lost or stolen devices based on GPS and cell tower ID.
In addition to the paid version, the free version scans mp3's, zip files, sd card's and has behavior mobile security.
I'm using the free version now and am debating if I should buy the full version.
Made by: droidSecurity Inc.
Anyone else using the paid version? If so, how is it working out for you? Recommended?
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As I was searching for something in the market place I ran across an Antivirus app:
Antivirus (Free version)
Antivirus ($9.99)
The Antivirus Pro (paid version) provides ongoing scanning of Android device, protecting against viruses, malware, OS exploits to ensure the integrity of applications and data. + Additional services for identifying phone location, using 'findR' to find lost or stolen devices based on GPS and cell tower ID.
In addition to the paid version, the free version scans mp3's, zip files, sd card's and has behavior mobile security.
I'm using the free version now and am debating if I should buy the full version.
Made by: droidSecurity Inc.
Anyone else using the paid version? If so, how is it working out for you? Recommended?
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There's another app called Lookout Mobile Security FREE that has darn near 5 star rating. It does pretty much what the paid version does of the Antivirus app above for $9.99, except that it's free.
It says, Winner of the Best Android App 2010...
It also has Phone Finder...which comes FREE with this App...
hhmmm
nope I've been using Lookout. Seems nice
There are viruses on Android? That's news to me. I mean, fake programs that steal your data, yeah, but viruses?
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There are viruses on Android? That's news to me. I mean, fake programs that steal your data, yeah, but viruses?
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Haha it's all new to me too my friend...My initial reaction was, "Anti What? For Android?!"
I was so used to communist apple OS, being an iPhone user before where the word 'virus' was never in my vocabulary.
I'm going to try LookOut...heck it's Freeee
My opinion, don't waste your time with this man. Just uses resources of your phone.
I DO suggest lookout though. It is amazing to log into a website and find my phone (works pretty dang well), OR if you lose the phone in the house you can make it ring really loud.
With this app you also get AV and the ability to backup data to their server. I do not use the latter (you can disable features easily). But I have left on the AV for kicks and giggles.
I have NEVER heard of a virus on android, haha.
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My opinion, don't waste your time with this man. Just uses resources of your phone.
I DO suggest lookout though. It is amazing to log into a website and find my phone (works pretty dang well), OR if you lose the phone in the house you can make it ring really loud.
With this app you also get AV and the ability to backup data to their server. I do not use the latter (you can disable features easily). But I have left on the AV for kicks and giggles.
I have NEVER heard of a virus on android, haha.
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I'm using LookOut now...much better program it seems than the other one. The phone location feature is pretty neat too.
As long as you actually consider the permissions when installing apps and don't grant root access to some unknown app, antivirus is COMPLETELY unnecessary.
Need an apk that signs my update.zip files from titanium blackup.
I don't understand why it hasn't been done. The code to do it is already in java! Search the forums for testsign.jar
I know everything you need to do to get it done but I don't have a development environment at my disposal. Help me out and I'll show you how to convert your jarred up code libraries to run on android!
Please and Thank You.
* edit - this question has been solved by brainmaster! ZipSigner if you find this application helpful please thank him below.
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New application proposal: ZeroNetAccess (ZeNA?)
Concept: an app that can block other apps network access.
Market alternative: DroidWall (root only, low market potential)
Methods: Maybe by modifying the apk manifest and resigning? Im not sure if there is a framework you could subclass for this.
Why: i turned off stats reporting for an app and i saw it writing reports to the web from logcat. Google took our rights away by not letting us do this from the application settings. Its my device and i have to pay the bill not google or the rude ppl who made the app. I will never understand why we were not given the right to administer mobile data access rights.
Potential: highly lucrative. People want to save money nowadays. In that respect voiding phone warranty for root access may not sit well with potential customer.
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New application proposal: ZeroNetAccess (ZeNA?)
Concept: an app that can block other apps network access.
Methods: Maybe by modifying the apk manifest and resigning? Im not sure if there is a framework you could subclass for this.
Why: i turned off stats reporting for an app and i saw it writing reports to the web from logcat. Google took our rights away by not letting us do this from the application settings. Its my device and i have to pay the bill not google or the rude ppl who made the app. I will never understand why we were not given the right to administer mobile data access rights.
Potential: highly lucrative. People want to save money nowadays.
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For rooted devices try DroidWall
Application Proposal: Web Page to PDF/HTML Safari Plug-In
Concept: Seriously?
Why: Cant save pages from the browser I safari always reloads the page when you come back to it from other activities (pointless nethog!) whats the friggin cache for anyway? It is better to save an article copy that you could view on the computer later or add to your info library if you write books or do any kinda technical research than it is to save a bookmark that may become 404 not found. Researchers nightmare!
Methods: execute shell command wget on page source. Use regular expression to get media list. Build directory tree. For each media call wget. Done.
Potential: medium. Not many people are so technically inclined.
Usefulness: extremely high, especially with zip/+email caps.. Roundabout source code viewer for nosy/curious folks.
Average potential, stream lehigh usefulness I would sell for a buck 99. Free (1 ad per saved page, no zip email)
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For rooted devices try DroidWall
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Thank you! Will do!
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Application proposal: WarBastard
Concept: wardriving app featuring google my maps! Maps are shared globally by locale. Signals can be pinpointed by triangulation through cross reference of mac address, signal strength and previously detected locations in a global locale based database. While we are at, throw in a google navigation intent, and a compass with distance to closest accesible AP! Dont stop there! I wonder where that cell tower is located?
Purpose: to aid weary travellers and cheap bastards to connect with their loved ones and services over open networks. Services could also be used for cellular network signal diagnostics across hundreds of thousands of devices.
Potential: astronomical I would pay 5 bux. Better yet 12 bucks per year. Free (1 ad per download of database, 1 ad per connect to AP. Possibly integrated with APs for increased revenue potential across the board.) The map data can also be used to find good places to set up an advertising AP 4 even more potential earnings.
Anybody wanna pay me to sit around and do this all day? Lol.
SERIOUSLY you are looking at my qualifications. Asking 50k p. yr. to start Project Mgr./Analyst/Sr. Developer. consulting options available. Willing to relocate. Pm for inquiries/proposals.
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Avid Droidery said:
Need an apk that signs my update.zip files from titanium blackup.
I don't understand why it hasn't been done. The code to do it is already in java! Search the forums for testsign.jar
I know everything you need to do to get it done but I don't have a development environment at my disposal. Help me out and I'll show you how to convert your jarred up code libraries to run on android!
Please and Thank You.
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You should use the search function: ZipSigner.
It implements in the Titanium Backup and signs it on your wish.
brainmaster said:
You should use the search function
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You are correct. I should never have assumed that this wasn't already in the market. Actually I didn't really plan to use this to sign titanium backups. For my purpose however the concept is the same.
* edit Human beings arent the fastest search engine but collectively we are the most accurate information sources on the planet. feel free to quote me on this
I thought that it would be better to ask someone who might know than it would be to search for something that may not exist. If I had access to a computer I would have no questions to post. Only answers! Being that I am stuck on my android for the time being, I appreciate all the help I can get!
Thank you for providing me with another helpful for resource!
* Edit: Dear brainmaster, words cannot express my level of gratitude! I am truly overjoyed by the passing of this shortcoming. Signapktic is exactly what I was looking for and I never would have found this application had it not been for your assistance. The topic of this thread is kick ass apps wanted. Even though this is an application that no longer needs to be developed (because real developers don't reinvent the wheel unless absolutely necessary,) you have met or exceeded the topic issue with flying colors!
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New application proposal: Launchpad Homescreen Widget
Concept: a widget that will pop up an on screen menu (complete with icons) onClick similar to pc desktop start menus. Customizable shortcuts Horizontal or vertical (and scrollable) layouts by preference and Customizable folders.
Why: I would rather have a feature like this than an app drawer any day. This would allow individuals to organize launcher short cuts by task. It would also be great if it were possible to open files in the system such as pdf, video, music or text files with appropriate application. Another great feature would be the ability to launch shell scripts. I have searched the market and nothing like this was found.
Potential: high. will save customer time allow them to become more visually organized and task oriented as well as adding more visual appeal to the home screens. $5.99 I would buy it! Time limited trial only.
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Let's think a common situation with the N10:
I have a lot of paid apps attached to my gmail account. The first thing I will do with the N10 is create 3 different profiles. Mine, my wife and my daughter. Every one with their own gmail account.
I have read that when one user gets an app from google play that is already installed by other it won't be downloaded again, and that's fine. But what happens with paid apps?
I'm pretty sure another user with other gmail account won't have access to bought apps by a different person in Google Play....
The situation I will face will be very common. I have bought several apps for my daughter (I have an Asus TF101) and I'd like to see them in her profile in the N10.
The only solution I can guess is to add my gmail account as a secondary one in her profile, but to keep things separated won't be a reality.
What do you think?
If it's the same as the n7 I think any users can use the same paid apps on that device, whether they bought it too or not. Much like a pc.
Unless they've changed this it worked with the hack to enable multiple accounts that was embedded in jb before.
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If it's the same as the n7 I think any users can use the same paid apps on that device, whether they bought it too or not. Much like a pc.
Unless they've changed this it worked with the hack to enable multiple accounts that was embedded in jb before.
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That's good news. Let's hope the final version works that way.
That's why I have been purchasing my apps with a seperate family account for a while now. It only has the app licenses and some shared calendar items, which are thus available on my wifes phone and mine. And of course will be on the Nexus 10 on any family profile.
you are talking about several separate things here.
it was stated, that apps that are already installed on the device, but under a different user account, will be available instantly, and do not require to be downloaded again.
that is true, in the android developers office hours emea edition yesterday and last week, this was confirmed. however, it was not clearly stated, what the space requirements are in such a case. obviously, the apk itself must be stored on the device at least once. since all user settings are individual, the shared preferences files will be present twice and all apps that require external data, such as game data on the sd card, must be updated, to not store this data twice. the last point goes especially for apps with expansion apks on the play store, whether apps with data downloads from 3rd party servers (like rockstar games etc.) will work with this model, time will tell.
the way this entire system works, is through encryption and file system permissions.
even the same folder on the sd card, say /sdcard/Music/ can look differently to different users.
Also, up to now, this has not been tested with devices with external sd cards (for obvious reasons) and only works on ext4 file systems.
The licensing question is entirely different from that. the play store, while being able to check a lot of things about you and your device, primarily looks at your google account when you are looking for an app, and the app licenses you buy always are registered to your account (i.e. you as a person), as opposed to your device, which is great, if you are one person with several devices. mixing this system with per device licenses would create a massive issue, as people could just willy nilly create legit play store licenses for apps by adding friends' user accounts on their device with paid apps and the apps would be licensed for the friends as well (again, including all their devices).
of course the same goes for any other play store purchases as well (movies, music, books, in-app purchases etc.)
this has not officially been stated by the android developers office hours, but it only makes sense this way, again, as mixing per-user licensing with per-device licensing would open a hell-hole of piracy.
so, considering, what google officially stated about these things, i would not count on the feature being anywhere similar to the existing multi-user feature of 4.1. if it had been ready and perfected at the time, it would have been published in that state, but after another half a year of work, i expect it to have changed, much like the rest of the os.
if you want all of this information directly from google and in even lengthier explanations, check out the office hours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IeU_sQzl3U&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z92fwFQntG8&feature=plcp
I am willing to bet that the shared APK system is based on the Play Store and might even only work when installed from there. In that case, in order to have an app available on another profile, you would need to "download" it from the store, only that it just registers it as visible somehow. That would require the corresponding google account on every profile using the app.
When it comes to additional files, I guess the "official way" introduced a while back with the two additional archives will be handled just fine, as it is done by the system itself. When the app downloads those themself, we will have to wait and see like you said. The same goes for other files - will I be aple to see e.g. the photos from other profiles? If not by default, can you manage the access rights? Devices with SD cards might prove quite interesting here, but they may as well be handled the simple way: if you use that storage, it is open for all.
However that turns out to work, multi-user will broaden the versatility of tablets, even if some scenarios don't work out as they might be wished or expected.
What I didn't get from your post - are you accusing me of abusing the multi-device functionality? If so, I don't feel ashamed of sharing paid apps with my wife (for now) and children (later on when they get smartphones). We also do not buy separate DVDs for each viewer or multiple instances of books.
Sharing a google account with paid apps with a multitude of friends as you described however could prove quite problematic. Who gets to register his credit card? Who decides which apps are bought? I guess it would be much easier to find a cracked version if unwilling to pay.
no no, i was not accusing you.
i was just presenting the official google standpoint of licensing and that with a per-device licensing in combination with a device with multiple users, it would be possible to create free licenses illegally.
let me elaborate on that, because i meant it entirely different from your last paragraph:
let's say, i have a nexus 10 and have bought a paid app with my account. if that meant, every user on my tablet would inherit an own license from this one purchase, i could theoretically have friends coming over all day, logging into my tablet with their account, and immediately have the right to this paid app (and all my paid apps) as well, so it would be licensed to their account and they could install it on their phones as well. that way, you could create an infinite account of pseudo-legit licenses for apps or generally all play store content. this is the reason, why i think it is impossible that google would use the per-device licensing all of a sudden.
actually, i forgot to mention, your model with a combined family account is actually a good way around such issues.
i am sure, many couples or entire families use this method and it is perfectly fine. at least, the app purchase is legit. sharing one account with two people, especially in this case on one device is something completely different from the fraudulent model i was talking about before.
my entire earlier post was about the question in the op, whether one paid app can be used from multiple accounts and again, technically, legally and morally, no.
i agree with your dvd example, translating that to apps, one account on multiple devices allows multiple app installations and whether both devices are operated by the same person or a couple does not matter.
long story short:
the only difference in the play store experience is that apps that are already installed don't have to be downloaded again (to save time), but the play store will still feel exactly the same, i.e. requiring a purchase for an app, that has not been bought with that account yet.
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I was just asking to prevent misunderstanding.
i could theoretically have friends coming over all day, logging into my tablet with their account, and immediately have the right to this paid app (and all my paid apps) as well, so it would be licensed to their account and they could install it on their phones as well.
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Even if you could just use any app installed by any profile (which as I described above is not the way I assume it will happen), at what point does that enable them to download the app to their devices? That would require them to have your profile (with your account details) on their devices.
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Even if you could just use any app installed by any profile (which as I described above is not the way I assume it will happen), at what point does that enable them to download the app to their devices? That would require them to have your profile (with your account details) on their devices.
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no it wouldn't require them to have your profile in this hypothetical story, here is the thing, as i understood the first couple of posts in this thread, this would be a possible scenario (but isn't):
User A has a phone, let's say a Gnex and a google account [email protected]
User B has a phone, let's say an S3 and a google account [email protected]
User A buys a Nexus 10.
User A logs in and has access to all the same paid apps as on the Gnex.
User B logs in and has access to all the same paid apps as on the S3.
User A installs a free app on the Nexus 10.
User B installs the same free app on the Nexus 10. it does not require another download, it is just there.
(so far, so good, all true, could happen)
User A buys an app from the play store on the Nexus 10.
User B looks at the same app on the play store on the Nexus 10.
(here comes the initial question: will he get this app for free, since it is already installed on the device?)
Situation 1:
User B gets the app for free on the Nexus10, since it is already present on the device, it does not even need to be installed again, it is just there.
User B looks in the play store, the app should now be listed in "My Apps", since it was installed on the device with the account [email protected]
User B gets his S3 and has the same app displayed as purchased on the play store, since he once was able to legitimately install it from his account (on the Nexus 10), which makes it his app on all his devices.
User B installs the paid app on his S3 for free, since it is present on his account.
User B's account gets removed from the Nexus 10.
Rinse and repeat through User Z. 25 free licenses, that can be replicated to all of the users' devices since they get the app transferred to their accounts if they once inherited it on the Nexus 10.
Situation 2:
User A looks at the app on the play store, it costs .99$. He buys it and installs it.
User B looks at the app on the play store, sees it costs him .99$
User B buys the app.
The app gets installed instantly, as it is already present on the device.
All I wanted to say with my two previous 2 posts is:
Situation 1 is never going to happen. Situation 2 is how it's going to be. If User A and User B are 2 separate Google Accounts on the same tablet, they need to buy apps twice.
People tend to confuse the instant install feature with an ability to share apps or transfer apps between accounts, but all it does is save you time and internet traffic. it does not influence paid apps at all. also, apparently, the half implemented multi-user feature in 4.1 gave wrong impressions as well.
P.S. i actually think, we were on the same page all along, just had different approaches to give examples of the situations.
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P.S. i actually think, we were on the same page all along, just had different approaches to give examples of the situations.
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I think so too, and I fully expect to skip the second payment with each profile having the personal and the shared family account.
Exactly. For 2 persons you make 3 accounts. One shared account for paid apps that both use, so you'd just need to purchase them once and 2 individual accounts for the two persons to have their personal email and other individual settings and files.
That seems to be the ideal solution. A week from now, we'll know exactly, how the separation works.
Can't wait to have the device here.
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Situation 1:
User B gets the app for free on the Nexus10, since it is already present on the device, it does not even need to be installed again, it is just there.
User B looks in the play store, the app should now be listed in "My Apps", since it was installed on the device with the account [email protected]
User B gets his S3 and has the same app displayed as purchased on the play store, since he once was able to legitimately install it from his account (on the Nexus 10), which makes it his app on all his devices.
User B installs the paid app on his S3 for free, since it is present on his account.
User B's account gets removed from the Nexus 10.
Rinse and repeat through User Z. 25 free licenses, that can be replicated to all of the users' devices since they get the app transferred to their accounts if they once inherited it on the Nexus 10.
Situation 2:
User A looks at the app on the play store, it costs .99$. He buys it and installs it.
User B looks at the app on the play store, sees it costs him .99$
User B buys the app.
The app gets installed instantly, as it is already present on the device.
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I don't see why it has to be only one of those two options. Why not this:
Situation 3:
User A buys and installs a $0.99 app on the play store.
User B Looks at the same app and Play store is smart enough to check that the app is already installed on the device and allows him access to it on this device but does NOT update his account information to say that he has purchased the app.
User B Looks at the same app on his phone, and it still shows up as costing $0.99.
Not saying that's definitely the way it will work, but that's the way I'd prefer it. That would allow a parent to buy and install apps for his children that they have access to on their profiles, without having to associate his own account and credit card information with his children's profiles, opening up the possibility for them to make purchases without his approval.
Another question I have about multi-profile access to apps is this: I keep hearing that the second user to install an app will not have to download it again. That's certainly nice for ease/speed of access to the new app, but it doesn't answer the question of how the app is stored on the device. Is there just one copy of the apk that all users can access? Or does the system make a copy of the apk for each profile that installs it, thus using up more storage space?
Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
BoneXDA said:
Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
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Nah, that doesn't make sense, you don't want to be sharing an email account or whatever, it will be a separate (optional) account per profile.
As for the app purchase crappy, who cares, get titanium backup, use its profile switch option which works on all android versions to swap out apply and game data so multiple people can use them on the same device.
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You don't seriously say using titanium is easier than native integration?
@je55ter only a few more days and we will know for sure.
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Profiles are just profiles under one GMail account I'd imagine, and not a completely separate and independent accounts.
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that is definetely not the case as one can see in all available hands on videos so far, the profiles are different google accounts, which will then automatically give you access to all your google content. have a look at the videos, like the first video from the verge, the demo device clearly has hugo barra's account on it, as indicated by his google+ avatar on the lockscreen. it was also confirmed that these profiles will fetch all kinds of information from the corresponding google account, so it must be multiple accounts.
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You don't seriously say using titanium is easier than native integration?
@je55ter only a few more days and we will know for sure.
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I'm not saying it's easier, but if it turns out each user is supposed to purchase it, TB profiles is one solution.
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A very similar example would be the Xbox 360 or PS3. These are devices that use multiple users accounts. On both consoles paid content is available to all profiles on the console.
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Yes, X360 and PS3 are excellent examples... of how it will not work on Android!
Actually it really makes sense that different profiles got different apps, unlike on consoles. If you can cross-license over profiles on the same device some way will be revealed next week.
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Yes, X360 and PS3 are excellent examples... of how it will not work on Android!
Actually it really makes sense that different profiles got different apps, unlike on consoles. If you can cross-license over profiles on the same device some way will be revealed next week.
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What evidence do you have for how it will be implemented? You can make a pretty strong argument for both systems.
If there is no cross-licensing it would seriously reduce the appeal of this feature. Would most people purchase 2 copies of GTA3 for instance just so they can have their own saved game on their profile? I don't think so.