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[REF] Supercharging: What does it do?

Results in a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdGRRdDBkUkxWUVpMTVhsQk1HNUlWYUE
A little background
Supercharging is a memory management script. I believe its origin is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592312
I decided to test it out to see if performance is enhanced in any measurable way. I may at some point run this thread through my UX machine to find out what people have said about it.
I used CyberGR's ROM because it has a user friendly minfree menu option and also he provided a flashable mod with the supercharging script. Also CyberGR's ROM has no issues I'm aware of, having previously ranked it high among the ICS ROMs. Other ROMs may also provide supercharging, but I'm not sure which ones.
I tested with performance/cfq at 1GHz, very clean install, apps restored from titanium backup, sync disabled, etc... same methodology as my previous ROM benchmarks.
Summary of Results
There was no significant performance difference in any configuration.
That is, no difference with or without the script, at any minfree level. The only difference I noticed was that the supercharger script defaulted to a setting of 125MB free, i.e. apps start getting killed if you have less than 125MB free. As a result, I was able to multitask fewer apps. To me, this does not seem like a benefit. (Although if you do install the script, there is nothing stopping you from adjusting your minfree to a lower level, as the options to do this are in the menu, with stick-on-reboot.)
Feel free to tell me where I am going wrong with this, as I am no expert here...

bedalus said:
Results in a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdGRRdDBkUkxWUVpMTVhsQk1HNUlWYUE
A little background
Supercharging is a memory management script. I believe its origin is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592312
I decided to test it out to see if performance is enhanced in any measurable way. I may at some point run this thread through my UX machine to find out what people have said about it.
I used CyberGR's ROM because it has a user friendly minfree menu option and also he provided a flashable mod with the supercharging script. Also CyberGR's ROM has no issues I'm aware of, having previously ranked it high among the ICS ROMs. Other ROMs may also provide supercharging, but I'm not sure which ones.
I tested with performance/cfq at 1GHz, very clean install, apps restored from titanium backup, sync disabled, etc... same methodology as my previous ROM benchmarks.
Summary of Results
There was no significant performance difference in any configuration.
That is, no difference with or without the script, at any minfree level. The only difference I noticed was that the supercharger script defaulted to a setting of 125MB free, i.e. apps start getting killed if you have less than 125MB free. As a result, I was able to multitask fewer apps. To me, this does not seem like a benefit. (Although if you do install the script, there is nothing stopping you from adjusting your minfree to a lower level, as the options to do this are in the menu, with stick-on-reboot.)
Feel free to tell me where I am going wrong with this, as I am no expert here...
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ive been saying this for a long time. but i do feel that it could benefit older legacy devices that dont perform like newer devices(like the og droid, mytouch..)

What an amazing work!
Bedalus you're the graph's king
I respect you

I always suspected there was no real benefit to this script. Except maybe that it helps to stop launcher re draws. Although using the latest roms and kernels with CM9 bigmem does the same thing.

RcrdBrt said:
What an amazing work!
Bedalus you're the graph's king
I respect you
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I don't want your respect. I want your obedience!
just kidding. Drunk.

bedalus said:
I don't want your respect. I want your obedience!
just kidding. Drunk.
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youll need one of these then..
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bedalus said:
I have one. Not kidding.
Shouldn't admit that. Drunk.
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lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha

derekwilkinson said:
lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
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D'oh!

derekwilkinson said:
lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
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You should really hide it from zeppelinrox, the supercharger script creator

tchaari said:
You should really hide it from zeppelinrox, the supercharger script creator
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Dammit... what did I miss?
heh.
Anyway if free ram is the same before and after supercharging, benchies would be usually be the same.
I'd be curious about KAK and 3G TurboCharger results tho

What I believe is similar to simms22's that this supercharger script may benefit devices older than our Nexus S, which have less RAM available.
With Nexus S and ICS, I don't think there's major problem with memory management.
It's true, though, that after multitasking with several apps simultaneously, especially those RAM-hungry apps, launcher may redraw.
But that doesn't happen anytime.
Having said that, custom kernels now provide this crazy BIGMEM hack which provides our Nexus S with around 380-400 free RAM available.
But my question is: Isn't free RAM a waste?
I learn this from my experience with iOS (please don't mock me here ).

I agree with you Glenn, it seems a waste. I see no reason why not set the minfree to the smallest amount possible, since the OS kills apps when necessary.

Yeah having alot of free memory, over a certain amount, is indeed a waste and just kills multitasking.
But having too much free ram in order to get speed is a classic case of improving one thing at the expense of another.
SuperCharger aims to keep it fast without having too much free ram.
With a higher launcher priority, everything stays snappy without having to go crazy with the free ram thing.

Thank you for your hard work in all of your benchmarks bedalus they have helped me get closer to the perfect set up.
Every time any updates come out I do a completely clean install scripts are the last thing I apply. I really can tell a difference in the feel of my device after running the V6 script. It feels much more snappy. I don't know if this would be considered a "performance gain" as it is an overall feel of my device.
Almost forgot, thank you Zeppelinrox for your awesome scripts. I run them all on my NS4G. And yes, I leave the V6 animation on
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I think Android manages memory very well.
I'm a heavy multitasker.
I read a lot: news, Twitter, xda, articles in random websites using Chrome, all done while listening to music, yet I seldom get my stock launcher redraws.
This is done without a kernel having BIGMEM hack.
Compared to iOS memory management, Android is far better in this case.
I'm proud to have an Android phone among my iPhone friends.
They all always whine "Gosh! Apple really needs to give iPhone more RAM!"
And I was like "No buddy. Apple has to learn how Android manages memory."
No offense for those using iOS device.
I do also use it.
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bedalus said:
I agree with you Glenn, it seems a waste. I see no reason why not set the minfree to the smallest amount possible, since the OS kills apps when necessary.
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Lowest amount isn't wise and neither is a high amount. The listed "free" ram is used for caching and is nearly all full (use the free command in terminal for more info). Very little ram gets wasted in phone OSes. As ram gets to around 1gb+ minfree values won't see the light of day with current apps anyway.
The more cached the better, so long as it doesn't impact the currently needed portion.

Harbb said:
Lowest amount isn't wise and neither is a high amount. The listed "free" ram is used for caching and is nearly all full (use the free command in terminal for more info). Very little ram gets wasted in phone OSes. As ram gets to around 1gb+ minfree values won't see the light of day with current apps anyway.
The more cached the better, so long as it doesn't impact the currently needed portion.
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That's exactly what I'm experiencing.
With more apps cached, multitasking is faster.
However, when I see an increase in free RAM available, that's when I "feel" my phone is snappier. But actually this gives disadvantage to multitasking. Some apps needed to be loaded from scratch.

glennkaonang said:
That's exactly what I'm experiencing.
With more apps cached, multitasking is faster.
However, when I see an increase in free RAM available, that's when I "feel" my phone is snappier. But actually this gives disadvantage to multitasking. Some apps needed to be loaded from scratch.
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Free RAM, as listed in the [Settings > Apps > Running] section is cached RAM. None of that is "free", it is being used, however all of that is available if a currently running service requires it.
Minfrees play a role in getting rid of the "expendables" when this "free" RAM gets below a certain point (at least i'm pretty sure it is the cached RAM that is taken into account with minfrees, otherwise multitasking wouldn't be possible considering the actual unused RAM amounts). More info here. These are very useful on low memory devices, as you get above 768MB - 1GB they become near meaningless, as you'll find yourself rarely ever out of memory.

Thanks for your explanation, Harbb.
This clears any misconception I have.
Anyway I hate this thanks limit in XDA!

[Q] 4cyl turbo engine NOS mod

I've been keeping my eye on this mod for sometime now and just wanted to know if any other N4 owners have installed it, on what ROM and kernel, and what their opinions are.
This device already flies pretty fast and lag free for me. Don't ever really have low mem issues. But I sure do love mods, tweaks, playing around with this device, and anything that could potentially boost performance even more.
I'm currently using XenonHD with Franco kernel r110.
Cheers and look forward to the responses and discussion.
Link to NOS thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38262233
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Hi,
In my opinion do not waste time with it. I've just take a look in the init.d scripts... Some of them are not for our devices like the "touchscreen" and "kernel" (for the shed_features" parts...
The rest is... , test and see but these kinds of "turbo mega lag free extra smoothess performance with extreme RAM performance and giga boost" is to be avoided.
Make a Nandroid backup before testing with all the system files that are modified with these "all in one" scripts, be carefull to the bootloop .
With ours Nexus 4... do they really need these kinds of scripts? Like you said your device is fast and lag free, so no need of these scripts. At best it does nothing, at worst it's counter productive... and after one day after flashing this "turbo" thing you have some lags here and there... Often these scripts for RAM management are not optimized for a device with 2 gigas of RAM and JB 4.2.2, I speak about these "megacompilation" scripts and there is a bunch in the Android Software and Hacking General section. If you want to test something, maybe try V6 Supercharger at worst, and yet I'm not sure we need this...
I've tested a few of these scripts with my Gnex and SIII so I saw that there was nothing impressive at all (as for the title of these threads ) and sometimes it was the opposite (very often) or no improvement at all.
It's like all the build.prop edit for tweaks that we find with these scripts: does nothing, are obsolete, etc...
Googled for some tweaks for VM and RAM management like for some build.prop tweaks, you will be surprised about the real effectiveness
Android, for me, manages very well its RAM so I let Android manages its RAM , maybe some multitasking things to improve but with my Nexus I have not any issues with multitasking like closed apps too quickly or lags after 5 days of use without a reboot. Maybe this is how I use my phone...
So in short your phone works perfectly: don't care about this stuff and focuses you on the CPU settings with your custom kernel (Franco like you use or another one) :angel:

for 2GB RAM in nexus 4 ;
We still have 1GB RAM free, check it in running service, setting -> apps -> running service.
there is no RAM tweaks needed.
This is for device who only has 512MB but running Jelly Bean ROM, such as Nexus S , etc etc.
With QuadCore and 2GB RAM, it is really unnecessary to ahve this kind of tweaks.
There are so many developer in nexus 4 Development Thread.
You can have Customs ROM to optimize or to make more beauty for the User Interface, there are so many options.
For a bit more performance and battery savings, you can try Custom Kernel, I used Franco, It is a good Kernel, to save more battery when idle.
and also you can tweak for color saturation IPS screen, etc etc.
Its all you need.
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viking37 said:
Hi,
In my opinion do not waste time with it. I've just take a look in the init.d scripts... Some of them are not for our devices like the "touchscreen" and "kernel" (for the shed_features" parts...
The rest is... , test and see but these kinds of "turbo mega lag free extra smoothess performance with extreme RAM performance and giga boost" is to be avoided.
Make a Nandroid backup before testing with all the system files that are modified with these "all in one" scripts, be carefull to the bootloop .
With ours Nexus 4... do they really need these kinds of scripts? Like you said your device is fast and lag free, so no need of these scripts. At best it does nothing, at worst it's counter productive... and after one day after flashing this "turbo" thing you have some lags here and there... Often these scripts for RAM management are not optimized for a device with 2 gigas of RAM and JB 4.2.2, I speak about these "megacompilation" scripts and there is a bunch in the Android Software and Hacking General section. If you want to test something, maybe try V6 Supercharger at worst, and yet I'm not sure we need this...
I've tested a few of these scripts with my Gnex and SIII so I saw that there was nothing impressive at all (as for the title of these threads ) and sometimes it was the opposite (very often) or no improvement at all.
It's like all the build.prop edit for tweaks that we find with these scripts: does nothing, are obsolete, etc...
Googled for some tweaks for VM and RAM management like for some build.prop tweaks, you will be surprised about the real effectiveness
Android, for me, manages very well its RAM so I let Android manages its RAM , maybe some multitasking things to improve but with my Nexus I have not any issues with multitasking like closed apps too quickly or lags after 5 days of use without a reboot. Maybe this is how I use my phone...
So in short your phone works perfectly: don't care about this stuff and focuses you on the CPU settings with your custom kernel (Franco like you use or another one) :angel:
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Ya I've always been cautious when it comes to random build.prop/init.d tweaks and have used zeprox v6 supercharger on older android phones. But was hesitant on this one, despite my desire to tweak and mod to my hearts content and then some. In the OP it says confirmed working on N4 so I was just curious if anyone had actually tried it and with what results. Thanks for the response.
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Hi,
Yep with some old phones with an old Android version and a low hardware compared to the Nexus 4 it can help...
With the Nexus 4 I don't see the point, but yes you can try and see if you feel that there is some improvements, but I honestly doubt.
Yes the OP said it works in the sense that there are no issues (like bootloop) it does not mean, for me, there will be some huge improvements (at least nothing or very little ...).
Personally I will no longer test these scripts since I never see any kind of improvement with my last phones...
It can improve something but can brake something else, I mean for example smoother UI but lagger games, better experience in X or Y situation but your battery will be killed faster, etc... yes it exists
If you like playing with some tweaks and maybe you can find some good results by modifying some values in these scripts but not like as they are here.Try but it takes a lot of time and you need to do some search like on some Android / Linux forum to understand how Android works (and not on a forum or threads with a "turbo mega giga smoother faster script ever seen with NOS injection RAM script of the death" as title :laugh: , other than that... It's worth playing with your CPU settings, governors. At least for me.
And keeps in mind that with these kind of scripts that promise better battery life with much better performance, there is a moment where these two things are not compatible (in certain proportions). If you realy want some extra perfs, you'll need to sacrify the battery life and vice versa

RAM Usage and performance vs installed OS

Having had the latest OTA popup today to update to 14.3.A.0.757 I was keen to look into it and see if it would be any better.
I did a quick Google of the firmware version and read some posts, mostly on here, about issues, the touch screen issue (which has never presented itself to me), battery usage, but most importantly to me, RAM usage.
Well I'm currently running 14.2.A.0.290 on my Z1, and have been for a while.
I have various apps installed, Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Zedge, Flickr, Photobucket, Sko Go, and various others. I do use my phone a lot.
My phone has been running for 239 hours and some minutes, at time of posting, and is currently showing 520mb free RAM.
I note that when I got this phone new, on 4.1 I think it was, I had 0.9Gb free RAM.
Every time I update, I end up with less RAM.
Now my concern with upgrading again to Kitkat means I am worrying about RAM usage, specifically, if it uses even more, then I am going to be facing force closes and random crashes. Deja Vu.
I bought an Xperia Z, then a Z1 because my old Arc S couldn't cope with all the upgrades. My Arc S worked briliantly when I bought it, but the updates soon made it sluggish, and force closes were common place.
My Xperia Z is running fine on 4.3, but even that phone has lost RAM to the upgrades - that phone was showing 1.2Gb RAM free when I first got it, now that is down to 750mb
Updates alaways seems to equal less performance.
Has anyone compared the Antutu benchmark results before and after updates?
Installed Antutu and ran without restarting my phone, so after ten days -
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Factory resets?
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Destroyedbeauty said:
Factory resets?
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I haven't factory reset the phone, no, in fact I rarely do after running updates.
Factory resets mean having to set everything up again, accounts, settings, preferences, etc.
I have all the backup options set, and I know Google are great for maintaining my contacts, but I still have to reset Facebook integration, and re-link all of my contacts, and so on. I also like to keep my messages, so that means backing up my SMS before resetting, so it does mean some work to do a full reset.
I have never found it necessary to do a full reset.

Well the verdict is this.
Some nice improvements visually, and some extra free RAM, now seems to run with 700mb free RAM after letting the phone settle for a while.
This is an improvement, so I'm quite happy with that.
I like the unlock animation, and the fact that you can swipe in any direction now. It looks more like fairy dust, compared to the shutter effect previously.
Camera launch is now at the bottom of the lock screen, which is ok.
I had heard that the dialler app was supposed to be improved, showing favourite numbers, and pulling in info about local business on incoming calls, however, I notice no difference when accessing the app, other than the ICE (In Case of Emergency) contact at the top in the contacts listing.
I re-ran the Antutu benchmark, and it does show a DECREASE in performance
It's not much, but is is definitely a decrease.
In all honesty, the update seems to run well, seems fast, and responsive. Really good.
The notifications are grouped now so the fast links to turn off your sound, etc, are now tabbed.
I did notice that the fast links are no longer themed - they are not red, or blue, just white.
A small difference, but I like themes, and like coloured fast links, so a bit of a shame.
The icons themselves look bigger, although they take up the same amount of room.
There's probably other differences, and I'm sure I'll discover them in time.
Overall verdict - good update, impressed.

MickieH said:
Well the verdict is this.
Some nice improvements visually, and some extra free RAM, now seems to run with 700mb free RAM after letting the phone settle for a while.
This is an improvement, so I'm quite happy with that.
I like the unlock animation, and the fact that you can swipe in any direction now. It looks more like fairy dust, compared to the shutter effect previously.
Camera launch is now at the bottom of the lock screen, which is ok.
I had heard that the dialler app was supposed to be improved, showing favourite numbers, and pulling in info about local business on incoming calls, however, I notice no difference when accessing the app, other than the ICE (In Case of Emergency) contact at the top in the contacts listing.
I re-ran the Antutu benchmark, and it does show a DECREASE in performance
It's not much, but is is definitely a decrease.
In all honesty, the update seems to run well, seems fast, and responsive. Really good.
The notifications are grouped now so the fast links to turn off your sound, etc, are now tabbed.
I did notice that the fast links are no longer themed - they are not red, or blue, just white.
A small difference, but I like themes, and like coloured fast links, so a bit of a shame.
The icons themselves look bigger, although they take up the same amount of room.
There's probably other differences, and I'm sure I'll discover them in time.
Overall verdict - good update, impressed.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but why would more free RAM necessarily be a good thing in an OS like Android? I would be happy if it would use more RAM to keep things like web browser tabs etc. in memory and improve multitasking.
I see why a memory leak is bad but otherwise I can't understand the hunt for as much free RAM as possible.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but why would more free RAM necessarily be a good thing in an OS like Android? I would be happy if it would use more RAM to keep things like web browser tabs etc. in memory and improve multitasking.
I see why a memory leak is bad but otherwise I can't understand the hunt for as much free RAM as possible.
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I would be happy also to be able to run several tabs/apps and still have RAM spare.
RAM basically is the OS's workspace.
Less workspace = less room for apps to function, hence force closes and slow performace.
For example.
My old Sony Ericsson Arc S had a very small amount of RAM in comparison to todays devices, but when I bought it, it ran with over 100mb free RAM which meant I could install other apps and they would run happily. Once I upgraded the OS from Gingerbread to ICS, the amount of available RAM was less than 75mb and often 40mb, with hardly any 3rd party apps installed. This meant that the phone would look nice, running ICS, but would run slowly, and apps would force close due to insufficient RAM.
I do not want to have a great phone in the Xperia Z1 (or my Xperia Z for that matter) that will run like a bag of crap because it has not enough RAM to work in.
Imagine running the Z1 with only 100mb spare - how would it function? How fast would it be? How many force closes would the user endure? How many apps would you be able to install then??
How would you open the tabs, and apps like you say with a smaller amount of RAM?
You would try, but you would get force closes as the OS shuts down what it thinks are unnecessary processes to maintain the system.
So, this is why I hate to see RAM eaten away by updates.
That is my opinion anyway.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree in a way, I don't mind apps using RAM at all, as long as the phone has sufficient RAM to allow those apps to run alongside the system, with good speed, and no force closing.
In all honesty, I do not mind the slight reduction in the Antutu benchmark, but I do love the increase in RAM demonstrated with this update.
It's early days yet, but it's looking good.

The question is the phone uses 1 gb ram for what?!!!!
My old galaxy s2 was using just 400mb ram
And my old s3 used 500 mb ram
And my friend's galaxy s4 uses 1.1gb ram!!
What is the huge difference between s3 and s4 to use the twice amount of ram?? (this is related to the first question)

Iam running 4.4.2 now and I think 4.2.2 was better for ram consuming
My advice for you disable apps what are unnecessary for you
Enjoy!

Since KitKat is optimized for devices running with 512 MB RAM there shouldn't be any lag or force closes due to RAM usage. The RAM used on my Z1 is mostly 60-70% of the total amount but it doesn't mean that there are any slow downs. In fact it runs as smooth as it should ( a few hickups in the UI now and then but fixed with latest update) and never had I problems with multitasking yet. It would be nicer to see that the OS decreases the RAM usage but it is not a big deal as long as ii doesn't affect the performance.

Linux handle memory differently as compared to other OS.. More free ram is equal to wasted ram in Linux.. Unless you could find memory leak..
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Speed up your Moto X (Fastest ROM/Kernel/Settings)

Hi guys and gals, so I started doing some benchmarks a while ago on my moto x after seeing how poorly mc5 preformed on both it and my old Droid Maxx. My goal was to find the absolute best settings and kernel/ROM combination possible. It just so turns out that n5xpa was the absolute fastest ROM available for our device. Not only is it stock aosp/pa with all the pa beta features but it has a couple of extras added on. There is also a custom AOSP CAF kernel that is also over clocked with fast charge built right in.
If you want to boost your in game fps download resolution changer in the play store and set the resolution to 583 x 1024 and set your dpi to 240.
Attached are my benchmarks in antutu 5.2.0 and all my settings. P.S. I do use seeder.
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This was using n5xpa? What version? Link?

Heres a link http://n5x.mobi/motox
There are two versions of the ROM. The paranoid android version and cyanogenmod version. Cm is the only one posted in the xda forums.
Updated benchmark

Those are really impressive scores. It is hard for me to break 29000 on my Maxx overclocked to 1.944 GHz running Faux's kernel. Well done.
This is using Interactive governor for CPU and on demand for GPU, stock voltage, fiops for I/O scheduler. I ran this setup for a few months but currently running on Intelliactive governor to see if there is a noticeable difference on battery life. But with how big the battery is on the Maxx, I don't think it matters. Antutu score suffers greatly when on intelliactive. Usually scores around 27000 but the phone is just as snappy.

Johnny Wong said:
Those are really impressive scores. It is hard for me to break 29000 on my Maxx overclocked to 1.944 GHz running Faux's kernel. Well done.
This is using Interactive governor for CPU and on demand for GPU, stock voltage, fiops for I/O scheduler. I ran this setup for a few months but currently running on Intelliactive governor to see if there is a noticeable difference on battery life. But with how big the battery is on the Maxx, I don't think it matters. Antutu score suffers greatly when on intelliactive. Usually scores around 27000 but the phone is just as snappy.
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I run a lower res around 563 x 1024 to 583 x1024 and I get major bench scores. And yes you really don't need a battery saving kernel on the maxx with its crazy battery. I had a locked maxx for a while. Just couldn't stand not having
cm or pa on it so I got a moto x
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What app are you using in the screenshot that shows your kernel's governor and clock speeds?

I don't see how crippling your device's functionality makes it better, outside of your benchmark score. Lowering a device's native screen resolution just to show off to all your friends some amazing benchmark score is pointless.

I couldn't keep my battery drain down on n5xpa ROM. For AOSP I've found Liquid to be the best stablity/speed + battery once I set it right, intelliactive bfq with intelliplug on, mpdecision off. I'm finally back to stock now that there's a custom kernel option for sprint users finally. And to be honest stock is much better all around for me. It's faster, good ole stock touchless and active Features and my battery is doing quite well.
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I have a small issue regarding contacts while trying to import my list from SIM. It simply says No Contacts anyone know why or how to fix? Also selecting 2G and the signal disappears 3G and LTE are the only working options. This is on PA 4.0 version.

So...you crippled your Moto X by flashing a custom ROM (removing any unique Moto features), lowered its screen resolution, overclocked it, and used a placebo application (Seeder) to get a slightly higher benchmark score.
And then made a post about it.
Good job.

Don't listen to imnuts or Lyokacanthrope. They always p1ss on anyone who actually does something.
Pathetic.

Sorry? It seems pretty pointless to reduce the functionality of a flagship smartphone just to get 3000 more points in a useless synthetic benchmark.
Doing this, your screen clarity will be drastically reduced, your battery life will go to hell, and you'll lose most of the features that make this phone interesting.
I love tinkering as much as the next guy, but this is just plain silly.

Quantumstate said:
Don't listen to imnuts or Lyokacanthrope. They always p1ss on anyone who actually does something.
Pathetic.
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Did something? It is completely crippling the phone just to get better benchmark numbers. I'll stick to my low benchmark, but still usable phone over anything mentioned in the OP. Installing AOSP is one thing, but the rest of the stuff that was done offers no increase in usability and is solely for increasing you e-peen.

You two just criticize and find fault, while never offering an alternate solution. This is the lowest and sickest (in the old sense of the word) mindset, afaic.
Researchers must explore new methods and boundaries in order to make breakthroughs, which are always unforeseen by you ignorant lot.
Oh, you happily take advantage of new developments, which you'd impeded right up until they mature, and never give credit nor acknowledge your role in discouraging innovators.
Good job there.

I see everyone's point here. Though i feel it is very important that someone browsing this forum understand in order to get the "speed" gains that are being promoted, features are being removed and shortcuts are being taken. Nothing wrong with that. "Knowing is half the battle" - G.I. Joe

Alternate solution: Leave your phone stock so it's actually usable. I'm not sure what you're looking for here, or in other threads with similar topics. There are times where alternate solutions are not useful, like this thread where the OP is illogical.
Turning down the resolution on a smartphone is like trying to get somewhere in a race car during rush hour traffic. Sure it goes fast, but what's the point?
Maybe it seems overly critical, but there isn't anything left when there are unreasonable, illogical, or some other similar post made.
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does it impact battery positively?
i can see using a 800x600 resolution on days that all i want is 24h of voice gps and texting.

Quantumstate, you treat this whole thing like it's some major scientific breakthrough that will cure cancer.
It's just getting a higher benchmark score on a year old phone. (while, of course, outright gimping it)
Nothing more.
It's akin to buying a brand new PC and slapping Windows XP on it because it uses less RAM.
Actual, GENUINE, improvement would probably be something along the lines of getting increased real-world framerates and stability while not sacrificing any functionality. Say, a rewrite of the kernel hotplug driver and GPU governor. That'd be neat to see.

No. Experimenting with various aspects of Android and taking a characteristic to an extreme, often leads to surprising results. It's the way science has always been done. If you perpetually follow the well-beaten path, you will always get average results.
This is what a few of you can not understand. But you go further than just dismissing these experimenters -- you go out of your way to criticize them. And that's when y'all deserve to be slapped, or else the whole development environment suffers.
It doesn't matter if you don't recognize the value. Take your frustrations out on something else.

gcbxda said:
does it impact battery positively?
i can see using a 800x600 resolution on days that all i want is 24h of voice gps and texting.
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No, changing the resolution doesn't really do anything appreciable for the battery. You might get a little more due to the CPU and GPU working a little less, but nothing statistically significant.
Quantumstate said:
No. Experimenting with various aspects of Android and taking a characteristic to an extreme, often leads to surprising results. It's the way science has always been done. If you perpetually follow the well-beaten path, you will always get average results.
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How is doing what's always been done differ from what is a given? I'd be more concerned if all of the changes in the OP decreased performance. You do all of that stuff, you are guaranteed to get better benchmark scores, I'd say that is lower than average results.
Quantumstate said:
This is what a few of you can not understand. But you go further than just dismissing these experimenters -- you go out of your way to criticize them. And that's when y'all deserve to be slapped, or else the whole development environment suffers.
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I encourage legitimate development, but none of that ever shows up g here anymore. Legitimate experimentation would be getting significantly better benchmarks without hurting the hardware, battery life, or functionality of the device. Installing AOSP is one thing, kernel another. All credibility went out the door when the screen resolution was lowered and benchmarks used as the only measure of results.
Quantumstate said:
It doesn't matter if you don't recognize the value. Take your frustrations out on something else. Take up sports, if you're not too fat.
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I go to the gym regularly, as long as my schedule permits. Maybe you should try taking some classes in engineering, critical thinking, and logic, your posts suggest they are needed.
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Terrible performance in games

Hello,
I have an h918 on Tmobile. Recently i've noticed that any high end games I try to play turn into slideshows after a few minutes.
Yesterday I replaced the CPU thermal paste with Arctic Silver and changed my thermal conf file.
I get a better score in benchmarks, but still get the slideshow after a few minutes. One main example is Order and Chaos 2.
I've got all settings on low also. The rest of the phone is very fast though...Anybody have a fix?
Super rom - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-superv20-h918-t3764390
Thermal file - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/mod-fix-cpu-throttling-charging-gaming-t3650705
Ex Kernel in performance mode and nothing else running.
Went from 120k to 158k in Antutu after thermal paste change.
Edit: Now running with little cores on Performance and big on blu_active. Max gpu clock at 624mhz.
I also tried setting max background processes to 1 in dev options.

slayerh4x said:
Hello,
I have an h918 on Tmobile. Recently i've noticed that any high end games I try to play turn into slideshows after a few minutes.
Yesterday I replaced the CPU thermal paste with Arctic Silver and changed my thermal conf file.
I get a better score in benchmarks, but still get the slideshow after a few minutes. One main example is Order and Chaos 2.
I've got all settings on low also. The rest of the phone is very fast though...Anybody have a fix?
Super rom - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-superv20-h918-t3764390
Thermal file - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/mod-fix-cpu-throttling-charging-gaming-t3650705
Ex Kernel in performance mode and nothing else running.
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Are you rooted? If yes then install kernel adiutor and check your max gpu cloock speed. Mine drop to 316mhz whenever the phone gets hot, but setting it to max clock speed (624mhz) prior to opening games works for me.

slayerh4x said:
Hello,
I have an h918 on Tmobile. Recently i've noticed that any high end games I try to play turn into slideshows after a few minutes.
Yesterday I replaced the CPU thermal paste with Arctic Silver and changed my thermal conf file.
I get a better score in benchmarks, but still get the slideshow after a few minutes. One main example is Order and Chaos 2.
I've got all settings on low also. The rest of the phone is very fast though...Anybody have a fix?
Super rom - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/development/rom-superv20-h918-t3764390
Thermal file - https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/mod-fix-cpu-throttling-charging-gaming-t3650705
Ex Kernel in performance mode and nothing else running.
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You should use the mk2000 BTTF kernel if you aren't already, set your big cores to blu_active governor and your LITTTLE cores to performance. Make sure Max GPU clock is 624mhz and then run games and report back. This is the exact setting I use on my H918 running alpha rom and PUBG runs very smooth at 50-60FPS, phone barely gets hot and I've not even done any thermal paste mods.

I am rooted and on that mk2000 kernel too.
I tried doing these settings and it started off working great... I thought it was fixed.
After about 10 minutes it dropped back down to 3-5 fps and back to a slideshow afterwards.
My phone doesn't even feel hot either... so weird.

Try running this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
See what your results are.

10 minute run with the default 20 threads.
I closed everything except Pandora, like when I play a game.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

slayerh4x said:
10 minute run with the default 20 threads.
I closed everything except Pandora, like when I play a game.
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Huh. I was hoping that would show real degradation. Guess not.
Maybe it's a game issue, and less about the phone itself? Sorry man, I got nothin.

Mnementh666 said:
Huh. I was hoping that would show real degradation. Guess not.
Maybe it's a game issue, and less about the phone itself? Sorry man, I got nothin.
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I know dude this sucks.... one guy on my ROMs thread suggested that maybe I didn't put enough paste on.
What I used was a little old too. So i ordered a new tube from Amazon and will reapply tonight. Maybe that will help.
Do you think something could be messed up with my kernel or rom?

I was just looking in the thermal-engine-8996.conf file.
The set_points for CPUs are 85/65 under most sections.
Under [Kryo_SS] the set_point is 40/38.5.
I couldn't find a definition for Kryo_SS and those values are half of the others. Could this be my issue?
Also tested on different games such as Nitro Nation 6. I got an app that shows temps in the status bar and its between 50c-71c.

slayerh4x said:
I was just looking in the thermal-engine-8996.conf file.
The set_points for CPUs are 85/65 under most sections.
Under [Kryo_SS] the set_point is 40/38.5.
I couldn't find a definition for Kryo_SS and those values are half of the others. Could this be my issue?
Also tested on different games such as Nitro Nation 6. I got an app that shows temps in the status bar and its between 50c-71c.
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May i have the name of that app to have the temps in the status bar?

Sounds to me like a faulty phone. I would consider myself a hard core mobile gamer and my v20 runs a like a champ. I run games like pubg and everything is fine. I do use l speed and set it to gaming and performance for that extra kick.

XsaucerX said:
May i have the name of that app to have the temps in the status bar?
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CPU Monitor, green icon.

Okay so last night I applied a different thermal compound. The one I used is for low contact pressure CPUs.
This stuff was like mercury, so runny.
I wiped my device and did a clean install of my ROM. Now everything seems to be great...
So... It was either not enough paste, bad paste or something with an app.
Thanks for the help everyone.

Mnementh666 said:
Huh. I was hoping that would show real degradation. Guess not.
Maybe it's a game issue, and less about the phone itself? Sorry man, I got nothin.
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His phone clearly is locked at 1.47GHz and not at 2+ which is why you see the steady difference. the MIPS should be 65+ in throttling test.
Mine on lineage 15.1 stays at 55-60 too at 1.1GHz even after thermal paste change. Probably something bad with the kernel. I even set governors to userspace or ondemand but it doesn't do anything. Even set big cores minimum clock to 1.5GHz still it locks at 1.1GHz.
slayerh4x said:
Okay so last night I applied a different thermal compound. The one I used is for low contact pressure CPUs.
This stuff was like mercury, so runny.
I wiped my device and did a clean install of my ROM. Now everything seems to be great...
So... It was either not enough paste, bad paste or something with an app.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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Can you link the thermal compound?

dark_prince said:
His phone clearly is locked at 1.47GHz and not at 2+ which is why you see the steady difference. the MIPS should be 65+ in throttling test.
Mine on lineage 15.1 stays at 55-60 too at 1.1GHz even after thermal paste change. Probably something bad with the kernel. I even set governors to userspace or ondemand but it doesn't do anything. Even set big cores minimum clock to 1.5GHz still it locks at 1.1GHz.
Can you link the thermal compound?
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https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-Conductonaut-extra-Applicators/dp/B078J4PSHM/ref=sr_1_12?dd=FOXG1v3D2jw5F2kJqVhekw%2C%2C&ie=UTF8&qid=1530560151&sr=8-12&keywords=coollaboratory&refinements=p_90%3A8308921011

Trying this out after changing my thermal paste again since I put too much the 1st time. Is anyone else getting conflicting results from CPU temp apps? I've tried like 4 apps so far including the one the OP had in his status bar and every single app has shown a different temp for the CPU. Anyone have any input? I'm not well versed in sensors and stuff so maybe 1 app is pulling info from a different sensor than what the other app is showing???

Same here friend. I have an LS997 and it is terible at gaming. For PUBG Mobile, at first I can play it with balance graphic, medium frame rate. After few minutes, the phone becomes hot and game is turn to slow-motion mode.
Since I don't have root so the only thing I expect is Oreo would solved the issue. However, issue still persists

slayerh4x said:
https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Griz...ds=coollaboratory&refinements=p_90:8308921011
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Well of course your getting better temps your using Liquid Metal for cooling, which is normally used on de-lidding high-end Intel CPU's for PC's to make them run considerably cooler...normally a difference of 10-15c on that alone...I'm gonna use Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut cause I'm cheap lol