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[Q] Froyo!!!

On day 3 with the new phone. Rooted, overclocked and bloatware removed. I love this goddamn phone but I just cannot wait to put Froyo on it. Is that possible at this point or do I have to wait till a fascinate specific Rom is made? (my first droid)

How exactly did you get it overclocked? I wasn't aware of any available kernels to install to allow for it.

wait... Overclocked lol where is the kernel for it!!!????

I think that was a bit of a typo. Probably meant lag-fixed.

there prob wont be custom kernel for it for a few days.... prob jacs like always.... 1.2ghz OC...

Is there a noticeable increase in speed with the overclock and bloat removed?
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oops
see how new I am? I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock! I'm a little confused by android so far. I'm coming from blackberry and never looking back.. berry. ( a little cell phone humor)
but serioiusly. i'm wondering about Roms, do I have to get a rom specifically for this phone or can i use any rom?
To answer your question this phone was already pretty dam fast and seeing as how I'm not even really overclocked, no I don't notice a difference really.
I gotta say tho, I really like touch wiz. I had a droid 2 for 2 weeks before I turned it in and I prefer touchwiz to motoblur and launcher pro

there's no overclock yet LOL

illtema said:
see how new I am? I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock! I'm a little confused by android so far. I'm coming from blackberry and never looking back.. berry. ( a little cell phone humor)
but serioiusly. i'm wondering about Roms, do I have to get a rom specifically for this phone or can i use any rom?
To answer your question this phone was already pretty dam fast and seeing as how I'm not even really overclocked, no I don't notice a difference really.
I gotta say tho, I really like touch wiz. I had a droid 2 for 2 weeks before I turned it in and I prefer touchwiz to motoblur and launcher pro
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Ill tell you now lol.
1. There are no overclock kernels as of yet
2. This is not a "Droid"
3. LagFix is not = to Overclocking
4. There are no ROMs for this phone yet so dont try to install one from a different device.
Just a quick question... What does "I didn't even know that I couldn't over clock my droid just by unrooting and installing Overclock!" mean? lol. Im sorry haha. It just doesnt make any sense and its bugging me lawl.

@hijackerjack
thanks a lot for the clarifications!
Lol i'm still calling my phone a droid regardless of anything.
And I thought the program "Overclock!" allowed you to overclock your droid as long as it was rooted. I didn't know there was a seperate process involved in overclocking.

illtema said:
Lol i'm still calling my phone a droid regardless of anything.
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Are you kidding? After applying the lag fix to this phone, it totally pwns the Droids. It's in a whole other class. I can't wait to blow my buddy at work away tomorrow (Droid owner) with my 2268 score in Quadrant. Also super AMOLED FTW!
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I have the Samsung Fascinate.....and there is absolutely ALMOST no difference in speed after rooting. As far as the lag fix well come on people QUADRANT means nothing at this point. Outside of that score I didnt notice one bit of difference besdies the fact that the App Market opened a bit faster. Not worth is cause my wifi then started to have problems.
I had the droid x before this and if i can get a stock Froyo on this with the touchwiz widgets that be my dream. Touchwiz launcher is slow as is. I just like a few widgets from it.
The phone stock vs droid x is no comparison........DROID X DESTROYS IT!!!!!! Again i had both THE DROID X DETROYS IT IN SPEED.

martyotaku said:
I have the Samsung Fascinate.....and there is absolutely ALMOST no difference in speed after rooting. As far as the lag fix well come on people QUADRANT means nothing at this point. Outside of that score I didnt notice one bit of difference besdies the fact that the App Market opened a bit faster. Not worth is cause my wifi then started to have problems.
I had the droid x before this and if i can get a stock Froyo on this with the touchwiz widgets that be my dream. Touchwiz launcher is slow as is. I just like a few widgets from it.
The phone stock vs droid x is no comparison........DROID X DESTROYS IT!!!!!! Again i had both THE DROID X DETROYS IT IN SPEED.
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You are crazy sir. The droid X launcher and motoblur stuff slowed it down. This phone is way better than the droid X. Ive had the droid X for two weeks incredible for another two and now the fascinate. Fascinate is definately the better of the devices GPU wise theres no comparison either

i agree, i got the incredible on launch day and out of the box with factory launcher it is actually faster than both. with launcherpro the sammy is up to speed. same with the x. i think that they are all about equal as far as speed(hence 1ghz lol) but when it comes to gaming the fascinate KILLS the DInc and still beats the X pretty swiftly. i actually switched to the fascinate just for the screen and the gaming abilties. not to mention the unlocked bootloader. also we will be able to acheive a real overclock that the X will likely never be able to get bc you cannot make changes to the kernel. also hopefully samsung doesnt screw up froyo to bad because anyone who has played with a D2 will tell you that froyo on it sucks ass. i went to vzw on the D2 launch day and was so dissapointed. i have countless friends who had D1 and it messed up or they had to have it replaced and got a D2 and are looking everywhere to switch to X or Incredible or even back to D1.

No, the lag fix does not make the phone ridiculously faster, but several things have sped up quite a bit. For instance, my web browser is ultra-fast when browsing over WiFi. I never realized how much of a bottleneck the internal memory I/O was. Also, apps in general are snappier, as the app data is all on the virtual partition. Some places you will notice the difference a lot, others not at all. Basically what it comes down to is that anything that is I/O intensive will be much faster. Oh, and the Quadrant scores are not meaningless. If you look at the breakdown from a full-version Quadrant score, you will see that the S phones with lag fix absolutely obliterate any other phone for I/O performance, while other benchmark test results remain pretty much the same (though 3D performance still beats any other phone).

so this lag fix for the i/o is only doable via rooting?

Holy F***ing F**k. You have got to be F***ing kidding me.
I am now a member of this community. I would prefer that my people knew what the hell they were talking about. The post lag fix Quad scores are irrelevant. It's a crazy high read/write speed, that is actually faster than any program or system process needs or can use, ie: it means squat. Until Froyo.
With 2.2, this speed will help boost processing, as well as 2D graphic capabilities quite a bit.
See here, before you brag:
Nexus Quadrant on Froyo:
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Note the Blue and Red. These are CPU processing, and memory speeds. The green is helpful about until it passes the red. After that, it's unused I/O speed which means nothing and is pointless.
Here's my lax fixed Fascinate:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop being tards about the lag fix Quadrant scores.
I really can't stand much more of it.
Please?

ivorycruncher said:
No, the lag fix does not make the phone ridiculously faster, but several things have sped up quite a bit. For instance, my web browser is ultra-fast when browsing over WiFi. I never realized how much of a bottleneck the internal memory I/O was. Also, apps in general are snappier, as the app data is all on the virtual partition. Some places you will notice the difference a lot, others not at all. Basically what it comes down to is that anything that is I/O intensive will be much faster. Oh, and the Quadrant scores are not meaningless. If you look at the breakdown from a full-version Quadrant score, you will see that the S phones with lag fix absolutely obliterate any other phone for I/O performance, while other benchmark test results remain pretty much the same (though 3D performance still beats any other phone).
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I'm going to beat this horse until the remains are unrecognizable.
No, they are not meaningless. However, the scores indicate a capability that FAR exceeds use. Just because it is capable of extremely high data R/W does not mean it's used.
Point is, in the two benchmark results above, the Nexus will F***ing smoke the Fascinate in every regard that is measurable by the user, despite a lower score. Well, except GPU, lol.
I'm about to chew my own hands off at the wrists waiting to see what Froyo will do with this processor. I fully expect this to be the fastest phone out loaded with 2.2, but for now I'm just trying not to scream every time someone says OMFGIGOTA2200QUADRANTSCOREKISSMYASSWTFHAHAHAHAAAA.
I need medication I think. I can't take it anymore.

Daswolven said:
I'm about to chew my own hands off at the wrists waiting to see what Froyo will do with this processor. I fully expect this to be the fastest phone out loaded with 2.2, but for now I'm just trying not to scream every time someone says OMFGIGOTA2200QUADRANTSCOREKISSMYASSWTFHAHAHAHAAAA.
I need medication I think. I can't take it anymore.
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captivate user here just browsing ya'll guys side. but anyways
OMFG I GOT A 2540 QUADRANT SCORE KISS MY ASS WTF HAHAHAHAAAA.
extra 300 points im assuming is from our OC'd kernal, why havnt you guys got one out yet since the source has been released ???

Yep, Vibrant user here...same dealio.
WTF Fascinate dudes, get it goin on....or something.

[REF] Supercharging: What does it do?

Results in a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdGRRdDBkUkxWUVpMTVhsQk1HNUlWYUE
A little background
Supercharging is a memory management script. I believe its origin is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592312
I decided to test it out to see if performance is enhanced in any measurable way. I may at some point run this thread through my UX machine to find out what people have said about it.
I used CyberGR's ROM because it has a user friendly minfree menu option and also he provided a flashable mod with the supercharging script. Also CyberGR's ROM has no issues I'm aware of, having previously ranked it high among the ICS ROMs. Other ROMs may also provide supercharging, but I'm not sure which ones.
I tested with performance/cfq at 1GHz, very clean install, apps restored from titanium backup, sync disabled, etc... same methodology as my previous ROM benchmarks.
Summary of Results
There was no significant performance difference in any configuration.
That is, no difference with or without the script, at any minfree level. The only difference I noticed was that the supercharger script defaulted to a setting of 125MB free, i.e. apps start getting killed if you have less than 125MB free. As a result, I was able to multitask fewer apps. To me, this does not seem like a benefit. (Although if you do install the script, there is nothing stopping you from adjusting your minfree to a lower level, as the options to do this are in the menu, with stick-on-reboot.)
Feel free to tell me where I am going wrong with this, as I am no expert here...

bedalus said:
Results in a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AntDDKv-lS6IdGRRdDBkUkxWUVpMTVhsQk1HNUlWYUE
A little background
Supercharging is a memory management script. I believe its origin is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592312
I decided to test it out to see if performance is enhanced in any measurable way. I may at some point run this thread through my UX machine to find out what people have said about it.
I used CyberGR's ROM because it has a user friendly minfree menu option and also he provided a flashable mod with the supercharging script. Also CyberGR's ROM has no issues I'm aware of, having previously ranked it high among the ICS ROMs. Other ROMs may also provide supercharging, but I'm not sure which ones.
I tested with performance/cfq at 1GHz, very clean install, apps restored from titanium backup, sync disabled, etc... same methodology as my previous ROM benchmarks.
Summary of Results
There was no significant performance difference in any configuration.
That is, no difference with or without the script, at any minfree level. The only difference I noticed was that the supercharger script defaulted to a setting of 125MB free, i.e. apps start getting killed if you have less than 125MB free. As a result, I was able to multitask fewer apps. To me, this does not seem like a benefit. (Although if you do install the script, there is nothing stopping you from adjusting your minfree to a lower level, as the options to do this are in the menu, with stick-on-reboot.)
Feel free to tell me where I am going wrong with this, as I am no expert here...
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ive been saying this for a long time. but i do feel that it could benefit older legacy devices that dont perform like newer devices(like the og droid, mytouch..)

What an amazing work!
Bedalus you're the graph's king
I respect you

I always suspected there was no real benefit to this script. Except maybe that it helps to stop launcher re draws. Although using the latest roms and kernels with CM9 bigmem does the same thing.

RcrdBrt said:
What an amazing work!
Bedalus you're the graph's king
I respect you
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I don't want your respect. I want your obedience!
just kidding. Drunk.

bedalus said:
I don't want your respect. I want your obedience!
just kidding. Drunk.
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youll need one of these then..
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Hopefully no-one reads the quickly quoted quote below...

bedalus said:
I have one. Not kidding.
Shouldn't admit that. Drunk.
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lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha

derekwilkinson said:
lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
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D'oh!

derekwilkinson said:
lmfao
oh man are you going to regret this haha
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You should really hide it from zeppelinrox, the supercharger script creator

tchaari said:
You should really hide it from zeppelinrox, the supercharger script creator
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Dammit... what did I miss?
heh.
Anyway if free ram is the same before and after supercharging, benchies would be usually be the same.
I'd be curious about KAK and 3G TurboCharger results tho

What I believe is similar to simms22's that this supercharger script may benefit devices older than our Nexus S, which have less RAM available.
With Nexus S and ICS, I don't think there's major problem with memory management.
It's true, though, that after multitasking with several apps simultaneously, especially those RAM-hungry apps, launcher may redraw.
But that doesn't happen anytime.
Having said that, custom kernels now provide this crazy BIGMEM hack which provides our Nexus S with around 380-400 free RAM available.
But my question is: Isn't free RAM a waste?
I learn this from my experience with iOS (please don't mock me here ).

I agree with you Glenn, it seems a waste. I see no reason why not set the minfree to the smallest amount possible, since the OS kills apps when necessary.

Yeah having alot of free memory, over a certain amount, is indeed a waste and just kills multitasking.
But having too much free ram in order to get speed is a classic case of improving one thing at the expense of another.
SuperCharger aims to keep it fast without having too much free ram.
With a higher launcher priority, everything stays snappy without having to go crazy with the free ram thing.

Thank you for your hard work in all of your benchmarks bedalus they have helped me get closer to the perfect set up.
Every time any updates come out I do a completely clean install scripts are the last thing I apply. I really can tell a difference in the feel of my device after running the V6 script. It feels much more snappy. I don't know if this would be considered a "performance gain" as it is an overall feel of my device.
Almost forgot, thank you Zeppelinrox for your awesome scripts. I run them all on my NS4G. And yes, I leave the V6 animation on
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I think Android manages memory very well.
I'm a heavy multitasker.
I read a lot: news, Twitter, xda, articles in random websites using Chrome, all done while listening to music, yet I seldom get my stock launcher redraws.
This is done without a kernel having BIGMEM hack.
Compared to iOS memory management, Android is far better in this case.
I'm proud to have an Android phone among my iPhone friends.
They all always whine "Gosh! Apple really needs to give iPhone more RAM!"
And I was like "No buddy. Apple has to learn how Android manages memory."
No offense for those using iOS device.
I do also use it.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium

bedalus said:
I agree with you Glenn, it seems a waste. I see no reason why not set the minfree to the smallest amount possible, since the OS kills apps when necessary.
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Lowest amount isn't wise and neither is a high amount. The listed "free" ram is used for caching and is nearly all full (use the free command in terminal for more info). Very little ram gets wasted in phone OSes. As ram gets to around 1gb+ minfree values won't see the light of day with current apps anyway.
The more cached the better, so long as it doesn't impact the currently needed portion.

Harbb said:
Lowest amount isn't wise and neither is a high amount. The listed "free" ram is used for caching and is nearly all full (use the free command in terminal for more info). Very little ram gets wasted in phone OSes. As ram gets to around 1gb+ minfree values won't see the light of day with current apps anyway.
The more cached the better, so long as it doesn't impact the currently needed portion.
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That's exactly what I'm experiencing.
With more apps cached, multitasking is faster.
However, when I see an increase in free RAM available, that's when I "feel" my phone is snappier. But actually this gives disadvantage to multitasking. Some apps needed to be loaded from scratch.

glennkaonang said:
That's exactly what I'm experiencing.
With more apps cached, multitasking is faster.
However, when I see an increase in free RAM available, that's when I "feel" my phone is snappier. But actually this gives disadvantage to multitasking. Some apps needed to be loaded from scratch.
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Free RAM, as listed in the [Settings > Apps > Running] section is cached RAM. None of that is "free", it is being used, however all of that is available if a currently running service requires it.
Minfrees play a role in getting rid of the "expendables" when this "free" RAM gets below a certain point (at least i'm pretty sure it is the cached RAM that is taken into account with minfrees, otherwise multitasking wouldn't be possible considering the actual unused RAM amounts). More info here. These are very useful on low memory devices, as you get above 768MB - 1GB they become near meaningless, as you'll find yourself rarely ever out of memory.

Thanks for your explanation, Harbb.
This clears any misconception I have.
Anyway I hate this thanks limit in XDA!

[Q] 4cyl turbo engine NOS mod

I've been keeping my eye on this mod for sometime now and just wanted to know if any other N4 owners have installed it, on what ROM and kernel, and what their opinions are.
This device already flies pretty fast and lag free for me. Don't ever really have low mem issues. But I sure do love mods, tweaks, playing around with this device, and anything that could potentially boost performance even more.
I'm currently using XenonHD with Franco kernel r110.
Cheers and look forward to the responses and discussion.
Link to NOS thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38262233
Sent from one device or another.

Hi,
In my opinion do not waste time with it. I've just take a look in the init.d scripts... Some of them are not for our devices like the "touchscreen" and "kernel" (for the shed_features" parts...
The rest is... , test and see but these kinds of "turbo mega lag free extra smoothess performance with extreme RAM performance and giga boost" is to be avoided.
Make a Nandroid backup before testing with all the system files that are modified with these "all in one" scripts, be carefull to the bootloop .
With ours Nexus 4... do they really need these kinds of scripts? Like you said your device is fast and lag free, so no need of these scripts. At best it does nothing, at worst it's counter productive... and after one day after flashing this "turbo" thing you have some lags here and there... Often these scripts for RAM management are not optimized for a device with 2 gigas of RAM and JB 4.2.2, I speak about these "megacompilation" scripts and there is a bunch in the Android Software and Hacking General section. If you want to test something, maybe try V6 Supercharger at worst, and yet I'm not sure we need this...
I've tested a few of these scripts with my Gnex and SIII so I saw that there was nothing impressive at all (as for the title of these threads ) and sometimes it was the opposite (very often) or no improvement at all.
It's like all the build.prop edit for tweaks that we find with these scripts: does nothing, are obsolete, etc...
Googled for some tweaks for VM and RAM management like for some build.prop tweaks, you will be surprised about the real effectiveness
Android, for me, manages very well its RAM so I let Android manages its RAM , maybe some multitasking things to improve but with my Nexus I have not any issues with multitasking like closed apps too quickly or lags after 5 days of use without a reboot. Maybe this is how I use my phone...
So in short your phone works perfectly: don't care about this stuff and focuses you on the CPU settings with your custom kernel (Franco like you use or another one) :angel:

for 2GB RAM in nexus 4 ;
We still have 1GB RAM free, check it in running service, setting -> apps -> running service.
there is no RAM tweaks needed.
This is for device who only has 512MB but running Jelly Bean ROM, such as Nexus S , etc etc.
With QuadCore and 2GB RAM, it is really unnecessary to ahve this kind of tweaks.
There are so many developer in nexus 4 Development Thread.
You can have Customs ROM to optimize or to make more beauty for the User Interface, there are so many options.
For a bit more performance and battery savings, you can try Custom Kernel, I used Franco, It is a good Kernel, to save more battery when idle.
and also you can tweak for color saturation IPS screen, etc etc.
Its all you need.
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viking37 said:
Hi,
In my opinion do not waste time with it. I've just take a look in the init.d scripts... Some of them are not for our devices like the "touchscreen" and "kernel" (for the shed_features" parts...
The rest is... , test and see but these kinds of "turbo mega lag free extra smoothess performance with extreme RAM performance and giga boost" is to be avoided.
Make a Nandroid backup before testing with all the system files that are modified with these "all in one" scripts, be carefull to the bootloop .
With ours Nexus 4... do they really need these kinds of scripts? Like you said your device is fast and lag free, so no need of these scripts. At best it does nothing, at worst it's counter productive... and after one day after flashing this "turbo" thing you have some lags here and there... Often these scripts for RAM management are not optimized for a device with 2 gigas of RAM and JB 4.2.2, I speak about these "megacompilation" scripts and there is a bunch in the Android Software and Hacking General section. If you want to test something, maybe try V6 Supercharger at worst, and yet I'm not sure we need this...
I've tested a few of these scripts with my Gnex and SIII so I saw that there was nothing impressive at all (as for the title of these threads ) and sometimes it was the opposite (very often) or no improvement at all.
It's like all the build.prop edit for tweaks that we find with these scripts: does nothing, are obsolete, etc...
Googled for some tweaks for VM and RAM management like for some build.prop tweaks, you will be surprised about the real effectiveness
Android, for me, manages very well its RAM so I let Android manages its RAM , maybe some multitasking things to improve but with my Nexus I have not any issues with multitasking like closed apps too quickly or lags after 5 days of use without a reboot. Maybe this is how I use my phone...
So in short your phone works perfectly: don't care about this stuff and focuses you on the CPU settings with your custom kernel (Franco like you use or another one) :angel:
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Ya I've always been cautious when it comes to random build.prop/init.d tweaks and have used zeprox v6 supercharger on older android phones. But was hesitant on this one, despite my desire to tweak and mod to my hearts content and then some. In the OP it says confirmed working on N4 so I was just curious if anyone had actually tried it and with what results. Thanks for the response.
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Hi,
Yep with some old phones with an old Android version and a low hardware compared to the Nexus 4 it can help...
With the Nexus 4 I don't see the point, but yes you can try and see if you feel that there is some improvements, but I honestly doubt.
Yes the OP said it works in the sense that there are no issues (like bootloop) it does not mean, for me, there will be some huge improvements (at least nothing or very little ...).
Personally I will no longer test these scripts since I never see any kind of improvement with my last phones...
It can improve something but can brake something else, I mean for example smoother UI but lagger games, better experience in X or Y situation but your battery will be killed faster, etc... yes it exists
If you like playing with some tweaks and maybe you can find some good results by modifying some values in these scripts but not like as they are here.Try but it takes a lot of time and you need to do some search like on some Android / Linux forum to understand how Android works (and not on a forum or threads with a "turbo mega giga smoother faster script ever seen with NOS injection RAM script of the death" as title :laugh: , other than that... It's worth playing with your CPU settings, governors. At least for me.
And keeps in mind that with these kind of scripts that promise better battery life with much better performance, there is a moment where these two things are not compatible (in certain proportions). If you realy want some extra perfs, you'll need to sacrify the battery life and vice versa

Lag solutions

I've seen a good amount of people complaining about lag, so i thought i'd share what i've done to get my g3 running smoothly.
* See below for kernel settings
First off I rooted my d850 with towelroot. Using titanium backup, I froze all at&t apps along with apps I don't use like kindle, uber, beats music. Also froze messages back & sync since it was always running, and I backup up my texts manually.
Everything I froze:
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Now there's the whole art debate. I have noticed a big improvement in smoothness and battery life using art, but there's also compatibility issues with some apps, and xposed. When switching back to dalvik runtime you can definitely see some general UI stuttering, here's what can be done.
Kernel settings
I installed (and highly recommend) Kernel Toolkit and played around with a few settings. You'll have to install busybox too which worked fine. KEEP IN MIND we don't have a recovery to save our asses in case of bootloops so if you make any changes in trickster do so at your own risk, and when using set on boot, apply a long enough delay for you to fix any bootloops in the event that your phone doesn't like your settings.
That being said I would be surprised if anyone manages to find settings that causes reboots on the stock kernel, given that theres no voltage table to mess up, or any unique cpu governers.
Onto my settings:
I/O scheduler = cfq
Governor control (with interactive governor) -> hispeed_freq = 1267200
Here are some other changes you can make in governor control for better performance:
go_hispeed_load - change from 90 to 85
min_sample_time - change from 40000 to 50000
target_loads - change from 85 to 80 or 75 (75 = better performance)
NOTE: I have tested my settings for a few days and they seem to be stable. If you want even better performance (at the cost of some battery life) you can try some more changes DON'T use the set on boot option until you're sure they don't cause reboots! Once you deem them stable you should use set on boot with a 30 second delay. Without the set on boot option you'll have to manually reapply your settings after every bootup as kernel settings get set back to default on boot.
NOTE: I've found using the ondemand governor causes reboots.
With these settings i'm not missing art anymore. I've found that setting the scheduler to cfq takes care of most of the lag. Keep in mind that tweaking the kernel for better performance USUALLY comes at the cost of a little battery life. So you'll have to find a sweet spot that your happy with in terms of performance and battery life. Feel free to discuss and share your kernel settings

I'm probably the only one experiencing more lag with ART than not. With ART enabled my G3 was stuttering everywhere and I had to pull the battery ~3 times in 2 hours because the screen just wouldn't turn on.
It's silky smooth on dalvik though, lol

KiNG OMaR said:
I'm probably the only one experiencing more lag with ART than not. With ART enabled my G3 was stuttering everywhere and I had to pull the battery ~3 times in 2 hours because the screen just wouldn't turn on.
It's silky smooth on dalvik though, lol
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Yeah sounds like compatibility issues with some of your apps.

Tested ondemand governor, caused reboots.

Surely a third party launcher will just sort all lag issues out?

Why would it do that? Of course it helps with launcher lag but not with lag occuring in menus etc.
Oh and thanks to Heisenberg! Tried your settings and with art enabled everything works nice and smoothly. No more stuttering.

Please let us know how stable these settings end up being. Thanks!

I think people are getting confused over what is lag and what is not.
Lag is when the UI is delayed when it shouldn't be - this can be caused by a number of factors including wrong cpu clock speeds, overheating or lack of quality ram management (usually due to one or two poorly coded apps eating everything up!)
What most of you are experiencing on Dalvik is not lag, its just the way the JIT compiler works, apps on Dalvik will take a split second to open while it compiles what it needs, generally speaking this is not noticable, but we all know people on XDA always notice everything....
If you are experiencing lag then it is most likely caused by something other than Dalvik the ART build on this device is outdated doesn't offer anything (seriously!) over Dalvik, this in no way reflects what we will see on Android L.

My g3 suffers terribly from redraw it just should not be happening on something this powerful

Lennyuk said:
I think people are getting confused over what is lag and what is not.
Lag is when the UI is delayed when it shouldn't be - this can be caused by a number of factors including wrong cpu clock speeds, overheating or lack of quality ram management (usually due to one or two poorly coded apps eating everything up!)
What most of you are experiencing on Dalvik is not lag, its just the way the JIT compiler works, apps on Dalvik will take a split second to open while it compiles what it needs, generally speaking this is not noticable, but we all know people on XDA always notice everything....
If you are experiencing lag then it is most likely caused by something other than Dalvik the ART build on this device is outdated doesn't offer anything (seriously!) over Dalvik, this in no way reflects what we will see on Android L.
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I had some noticable stuttering in many actions like in menus and scrolling. After changing to ART and enabling these tweaks they are gone. Placebo or not I'm happy with the results, no stutters or lag of whatever you want to call it I'm aware the ART included is nothing like ART on L, but to me it just helps that little bit.

Lookinen said:
I had some noticable stuttering in many actions like in menus and scrolling. After changing to ART and enabling these tweaks they are gone. Placebo or not I'm happy with the results, no stutters or lag of whatever you want to call it I'm aware the ART included is nothing like ART on L, but to me it just helps that little bit.
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That's placebo.
ART only affects lag, that is the time between pressing on an icon and the app opening. ART pre compiles the bytecode needed to run an app beforehand thus eliminating the need to do it on the fly which dalvik does (it should also improve battery life as converting it to bytecode takes cpu cycles). It doesn't do anything for stutter or scrolling. By yeah the ART in 4.4.2 is old code as well and not optimized yet so there will be little improvement in lag also.

So be it. It doesn't matter to me if its placebo or not. Feels nicer to use and that is what matters.

Still not getting the ART love. For milli seconds of improvement you lose 25% of storage space. Not seeing the net positive at all, but a big a$$ net negative.

rushless said:
Still not getting the ART love. For milli seconds of improvement you lose 25% of storage space. Not seeing the net positive at all, but a big a$$ net negative.
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You'll have no choice when "L" is released

Batfink33 said:
You'll have no choice when "L" is released
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I will miss Xposed if they can't get it to work right on ART

I'll try your guide. Lag and redraw is not what I prefer in a new flagship. Art is more than placebo, it's notable better but I'll like to use Xposed.

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SadLy true

Seems to do some difference. Even with art I had some lag in app drawer and it seems to be gone. Placebo or not, it's feels a bit more snappy in app drawer so that's another one to beat the dust ? So far I'll keep art on, I have loads of space and launcher and apps are notable snappier with it in. Its not like my M8 but it's a bit closer.

art
Sorry for a very noobish question, but can someone tell me what art is? I got my lg g3 last week and quiet playing a bit with it. I got the international version 3/32gb (LG-D855 V10a) and wanted to root it to somehow boost my battery life. Its fine and my battery can last a day with my normal usage and im very happy with it (waaaaaay much better than my ip5), but if i can squeeze more juice and make it last a day and a half or even more, im willing to root and take full pledge over my device.
I also experience having error that my device is heating up and won't be able to max out brightness, weird coz when it happen im actually doing nothing with my device, i just adjust brightness and it wont let me to max it out, so as of now im considering it as a bug and hoping that an update will fix it. It does warm up a bit but not the same as my toasty galaxy note 2 and galaxy s4 so i can live with it, but if i can remove the energy being waste and boost battery life by rooting it, ill forget OTA.
Anyway, back to my main concern,,, what is art? Hue hue

Hey mate. Art is android run time. Do a quick google search on how to change it or one of the pro's on here can go into the finer details on the benefits of using it.

Post your Benchmark Results (AnTuTu,3DMark,...)

hey guys
this is a thread for all benchmark results. i heard of 35k in antutu.... :silly:
dunno what i have to write more ^^ my results come when my tab is arrived
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this is from HP's version of the note 7 the Slate 7 Extreme 4400us

EVGA Tegra Note 7 Stock 4.3 stock kernel.
antutu bench: 35732

UK Advent Vega Tegra Note 7

Evga Tegra Note 7
Evga Tegra note 7 - stock 4.2 in max performance mode..

Thoughts after 20 tests.....
Ran antutu 20 times... All were done in max performance mode.. Test ran minimum of 20% faster when plugged in to ac adapter. Scored as low as 28000 when battery was under 30% (not plugged in). Plugged in avg score was a little over 36000. Any one else seeing the same results?

Hi guys,
I don't want to be too rude with you but look what you can get from your device :
Note : I use Shaky156's marvelous kernel)
From left to right : Antutu 5, Antutu 5, 3DMark, PC-Mark

chp2 said:
Hi guys,
I don't want to be too rude with you but look what you can get from your device :
Note : I use Shaky156's marvelous kernel)
From left to right : Antutu 5, Antutu 5, 3DMark, PC-Mark
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I have to be honest, when running Shaky's kernel, I see a lot more stuttering and hangups in games vs the stock kernel, not to mention the extra drain on battery life. I put mine back to stock after a week or so and it's been running better, so benchmarks be damned

rchrdcrg said:
I have to be honest, when running Shaky's kernel, I see a lot more stuttering and hangups in games vs the stock kernel, not to mention the extra drain on battery life. I put mine back to stock after a week or so and it's been running better, so benchmarks be damned
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Could be normal sice not all the devices are born equal.
Concerning the battery drain, For my personal usage it's more than enough (I play PSX emu, Gaming, Videos, music, surfing, ...) and I don't complain till I have power for whole day.
For sure there are also lot of apps wich can cause wakelocks and don't let the device to go in deepsleep when needed. (Facebook, FB Messenger, Skype,...). I don't use them.

chp2 said:
Hi guys,
I don't want to be too rude with you but look what you can get from your device :
Note : I use Shaky156's marvelous kernel)
From left to right : Antutu 5, Antutu 5, 3DMark, PC-Mark
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how the f*** did you do that? mine is 39635 on antutu 5 (also using the kernel by shaky)
are you using the odexed or de-odexed stock rom? any display settings changed? (for example: color correction Native or sRGB; Tegra Prism disabled?)
are you using any tweaks beside that? (like editing .prop or .xml files)

GodOfPsychos said:
how the f*** did you do that? mine is 39635 on antutu 5 (also using the kernel by shaky)
are you using the odexed or de-odexed stock rom? any display settings changed? (for example: color correction Native or sRGB; Tegra Prism disabled?)
are you using any tweaks beside that? (like editing .prop or .xml files)
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First of all, be carefull with benchs since it's not representative to real life use.
Antutu scores are very unconsistent depending alot of background services and apps. Moreover, personnaly, I don't trust Antutu anymore. My pictures were there just to show them for comparaison.
I've done these bench just after upgrading my kernel to latest Shaky's kernel and after I removed (deactivated) lot of unecesary services and apps (specially these communicating apps). I use (the fantastic) LBE Security Master for that.
The main word is : the device has to be clean during the benchs.
For Info : I use Stock ROM whith TWRP (I think it's Odexed). Everything else is just standard :
- Color correction : Native
- Prism should be enabled by default since I don't seen how to disable in the params.
- Enable GPU acceleration in the Developper menu.
- IO : FIOPS
- Governor : USERSPACE
As a side note, try to put your device in deep sleep prior a test. Shaky's OC Kernel has a modded throtling system and the benchs results are better if the device is cold (this is true with every device I own).

chp2 said:
First of all, be carefull with benchs since it's not representative to real life use.
Antutu scores are very unconsistent depending alot of background services and apps. Moreover, personnaly, I don't trust Antutu anymore. My pictures were there just to show them for comparaison.
I've done these bench just after upgrading my kernel to latest Shaky's kernel and after I removed (deactivated) lot of unecesary services and apps (specially these communicating apps). I use (the fantastic) LBE Security Master for that.
The main word is : the device has to be clean during the benchs.
For Info : I use Stock ROM whith TWRP (I think it's Odexed). Everything else is just standard :
- Color correction : Native
- Prism should be enabled by default since I don't seen how to disable in the params.
- Enable GPU acceleration in the Developper menu.
- IO : FIOPS
- Governor : USERSPACE
As a side note, try to put your device in deep sleep prior a test. Shaky's OC Kernel has a modded throtling system and the benchs results are better if the device is cold (this is true with every device I own).
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i know that antutu scores are not speaking for the every day usage but i love the "theoretical" overall performance you can read out from that score.
btw you mentioned you removed unnecessary apps and services. i already debloated mine a bit (just left the apps which i am not sure if they are safe or unsafe to delete). and for the rest of the apps (like facebook, whatsapp etc) i am using greenify (since this is alot better than nsaver in my opinion because it has more options) to hibernate them.
could you mention which apps and services you deleted/deactivated and if they are safe or unsafe to delete/deactivate like those bunch of tegra services that are running in backround while not really needed? for example, do i really need the SHIELD audio service running the whole time?
btw i got my tegra note 7 two days ago. i am just curious how much we can modify and tweak it to its full potencial

GodOfPsychos said:
i know that antutu scores are not speaking for the every day usage but i love the "theoretical" overall performance you can read out from that score.
btw you mentioned you removed unnecessary apps and services. i already debloated mine a bit (just left the apps which i am not sure if they are safe or unsafe to delete). and for the rest of the apps (like facebook, whatsapp etc) i am using greenify (since this is alot better than nsaver in my opinion because it has more options) to hibernate them.
could you mention which apps and services you deleted/deactivated and if they are safe or unsafe to delete/deactivate like those bunch of tegra services that are running in backround while not really needed? for example, do i really need the SHIELD audio service running the whole time?
btw i got my tegra note 7 two days ago. i am just curious how much we can modify and tweak it to its full potencial
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I can't realy list all the services and apps I disabled because it depend on your personal taste.. And there are a lot to disable.... (all these non usefull Google apps first and non latin keyboard inputs). Do a little search.on each service/app can help.
For Nvidia apps, exept Tegra Zone, all the others are enabled

chp2 said:
I can't realy list all the services and apps I disabled because it depend on your personal taste.. And there are a lot to disable.... (all these non usefull Google apps first and non latin keyboard inputs). Do a little search.on each service/app can help.
For Nvidia apps, exept Tegra Zone, all the others are enabled
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Ok. Well tegrazone is a nice app especially for me because it lists graphic intense or optimized games. I left just a few google apps like google + (for beta registration communitys), maps, play games and the google keyboard( updated to latest version with material design).
Btw do you have a screenshot of your antutue score with all the details (which process got how much points like "cpu integer" or "cpu float" etc)
Oh besides that, do you also have a problem with the lates youtube app? The "famous" server connection error on every video you want to watch? If yes, is there already a fix for that?
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GodOfPsychos said:
Ok. Well tegrazone is a nice app especially for me because it lists graphic intense or optimized games. I left just a few google apps like google + (for beta registration communitys), maps, play games and the google keyboard( updated to latest version with material design).
Btw do you have a screenshot of your antutue score with all the details (which process got how much points like "cpu integer" or "cpu float" etc)
Oh besides that, do you also have a problem with the lates youtube app? The "famous" server connection error on every video you want to watch? If yes, is there already a fix for that?
Sent from my TegraNote-P1640 using XDA Free mobile app
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Concerning all these apps you like, at least, set them as "manual start". Don't let them start automaticaly!
- First, because they use lot of memory and cpu for nothing. (Antutu bench gives beter results with more availaible RAM)
- Second, because most of them are always trying to communicate with external servers. (creating more cpu interrupts)
- Third, some of them don't let your device to go to deep sleep and thus consume battery.
- Fourth, because of personnal privacy.
Just Install "LBE Security Master" (and the xposed translation pack) just to see how much they consume.... how many "autostarts" without real reason.... how many are accessing your personnal data and communicating that data.
Then adjust on your likes.
Concerning Antutu, I uninstalled it some time ago and now, I don't think it will be relevant since all my personnal apps are installed.

Ok here is my Benchmarks.
Advent Tegra Note 7 Running 4.4.2 GMS OTA 2.5 with my Modded LBH Partition flashed via APX.
3D Mark with Autu

On Stock Android 5.1 Lollipop