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Background:
The devs have had some major breakthroughs in getting Android ported over to our HD2s lately. Just a bit ago, they finally got Bluetooth working and I decided it was time to give it a shot. I was pleasantly surprised at the stability of the version I ran and have actually been using it as my primary ROM for five days as of this writing.
My biggest problem was in wading through the myriad of techno-speak and complaints piled on top of vague references to a non-existent thread over on the Leo forums. However, once I got things figured out, I was good to go and haven't looked back!
Please see post 2 for some tips and tricks and "Don't do's" that I learned along the way.
You absolutely MUST HAVE data access to install Android. If you have WiFi, that might work, but if you may be able to talk a friend with a data account to lend you their SIM card for a few minutes
For the curious, I did initially install Android on my 16gb C2 microSD card that came with the phone. See post 2 for why I am no longer doing so
Read "Steps" for the fast and easy version, "Details" if you're a bit nervous or want to see how neurotic I can be with explanations.
And so, without further ado, here is the simple method for locating, download, installing and running Android on your HD2!
Steps:
I recommend finding a nice, stable ROM and flashing it fresh after a Task29 before moving forward. Be sure to hard reset (or use Clear Memory under Settings) and then soft reset your phone to ensure the ROM is stabilized.
If you are using a stock radio you may have issues, the radio I am using is: 2.10.50.26.
Once your phone is up and running, go to Settings Tab->Sound & Display: Single Volume On (100%), Pocket Mode On, then click Backlight: Ensure "Automatically adjust backlight" is NOT checked, adjust your screen brightness to optimal levels, then un-check the other four boxes.
Exit Settings and make a call using the Speaker Phone, then turn the Speaker Volume to 100%.
Visit GameSquare by clicking this link and scroll to the bottom of that page, look for the "Download" link at the bottom. Save the file (currently it is named "HD2Froyo_V2.1.7z") to your computer.
At this point, it would be a brilliant idea to backup the contents of your microSD card and reformat it.
Once your microSD card is ready, place the file you downloaded from GameSquare on the root of the card ("root" means don't put it in any folders you might have on the card) and extract the contents.
If you removed the card to reformat or unzip the file, put it back in the phone. It is a good idea to go ahead and soft reset the phone at this point, just in case some of the hardware has developed some issues while you were working.
Open File Explorer and navigate to Storage Card->Android, then click on CLRCAD.exe (it won't respond, but then it's not supposed to, click it anyway), then click haret.exe. Always run CLRCAD.exe before haret.exe to ensure you can actually hear phone calls
You phone should now show the HTC Penguin and a ton of text. The phone may hang a few times, but it's fine, just let it run.
Once Android has booted, follow the customization prompts. It may seem to take forever to boot, but let it go.
Once Android has completely booted and you can see the Home Screen, wait for the icon on the top left (sd card scan) to disappear and then soft reset and reboot Android. If you have run Android or used Google Backup in the past, wait for the sync icon to disappear before soft resetting the phone.
You should now be able to fully load Android and make calls, texts, data connections etc. Enjoy!
Details:
Myself, I chose to ignore the google location, facebook - twitter - youtube logins and weather; this is because I never intend to actually use the Windows Mobile ROM anyway
You may or may not have luck with a different radio, but I know people running stock are complaining and looking for replacements. I will not explain where to find or how to flash radios in this thread, use the search button above to find one that will.
My screen brightness is set to 50%, which is optimal for me. Un-checking the boxes will prevent your phone from darkening the screen while Android is running!
This seemed to help when I had issues with a very quiet speaker and ringtones running Android.
I will not link directly to the build because (1) it's not my site or work and (2) there are important messages on that page that DarkStone1337 wanted everyone to read. For your edification, the original thread: [BUILD] [18.08.2010] [darkstone HD2Froyo V2.1] [kernel: darkstone 2.6.32.9 #36]
I haven't used a stock ROM in forever, but all of the customs I have run had a "Format SD Card" app in the Start->Tools folder. If you use your PC to format it, be sure to use Fat with a 32 cluster (or allocation) size. Formatting your card will help to eliminate issues that some have been having (I had the same issues and reformatted later). I found that formatting the card via Windows allows for a less-buggy system.
This will create a new directory named Android and a small text file. You can read the "readme.txt" file if you want, but don't move anything around. Unlike the original builds, HaRET is located in the Android folder and should stay there.
If I get a call, text or email on my phone before I get Android booted, I go ahead and soft-reset again. It may be a pain in the butt, but it helps to narrow down any issues you might have to just the Android build.
Android may reboot your phone before you see any prompts, and if so just go back and run CLRCAD.exe and then haret.exe as before.
If you have any issues, reformat the card and start over. Here is where you need that initial data (internet) access. Android does not require you to always have internet, but if you reset or re-install it, you will always need it at this point.
You can turn off the phone by holding the "End Call" button (that's the red one ) and choosing "Power Off" from the popup menu.
Of course, you don't have to enjoy Android, that's just a suggestion
This tutorial is subject to updates and bug fixes in the future, but no promises
Be sure to read Post 2 for lessons I learned along the way!
Tips and Tricks
Format and Content of this post may change, depending on how I feel and what I learn along the way (respectively).
SD Card Care:
I would recommend you to always reformat your microSD card before installing or re-installing Android on it. This is the same as doing a Task 29 on your phone before installing a new ROM.
I don't know much about Android, but I've been using Linux on my personal computers at home for over 10 years. Android seems to continually read and write data to the SD card while the system is running. If it is in "write" mode and you change something on the card or reset the phone, it can damage your SD card. So far, I have managed to get through this by reformatting my card, but you can easily wipe the card by removing the battery or hitting the reset button instead of using "Power Off" via the Android menu.
Never attach your phone to the PC and activate "Turn on USB storage". When I say, "Never", I really mean, "If you ever, ever do this, your children will despise you." Writing to the card while Android is in "write" mode will cause data that is being written by Android to be misplaced and this is a very bad thing.
Do not use the "transfer to sd card" option that some of the apps may offer. For the same reason as the last tip, it will really screw your card up.
Android was not meant to run on external card like your microSD card. Some geniuses here on xda have managed to trick it into doing so, but it will never be safe. Some day the devs may actually manage to hack into the phone's NAND memory and then we can have real Android ROMs running without an SD card, but until then we have to use this system. You do risk ruining your card, but I feel that it is worth the risk
Stability:
Just after running HaRET, hit the back arrow key. This will cause your buttons to light up momentarily. I'm not sure exactly why, but this seems to help the battery drain issue a lot.
The current crop of Froyo (Android 2.2) builds all seem to cause issues with our phone's hardware. Specifically, the screen is often unresponsive, sometimes never waking up after being turned off and necessitating a hard reset or battery pull.
Bluetooth works, but you may have to cycle the service by hitting "Bluetooth" in a call twice, once to turn it off and then again to turn it back on. I have had to do this several times, particularly after a hard reset.
I find that a task killer is particularly helpful. I found a free one called "Advanced Task Killer Free" in the market and it works just fine for my needs. When I need to turn off the screen, I run the killer and wait a few seconds before hitting the End Call button. Using this method, I have reduced the non-responsive screen issues somewhat.
Another trick I have learned is to turn off the lock screen. Even the simple slider seemed to cause issues, so I found "No Lock", a free app in the market that, when activated, will turn off the lock screen. If you keep your phone in your pocket (bad idea, you're gonna scratch or break it!), this is not a solution you will be able to tolerate after a few butt-dials.
Some people over on the Leo forums report that turning off the Live Wallpaper helped with the non-responsive screen issues. I haven't really tried this because I really, really like the wallpaper interaction. Of course, since my issues haven't totally gone away, I gave that a shot, but it didn't seem to help.
I switched ROMs, trying to find a WinMo ROM that was lighter but still up-to-date and every call I made with the phone thereafter caused the "robot voice" (some call it the "android voice"). I am now flashing a new ROM that I found on the T-Mobile USA HTC HD2 ROM Development forum that said "Android" in the title. The chef claims it is "Android Safe" and so I've flashed it, but left the Android installation alone. The "robot voice" is definitely gone, so that's awesome. Not sure what else may have improved, but at least I can make phone calls
I've noticed a trend over on the Leo forums to shy away from "Best WinMo ROM for Hosting Android". Not sure why this is, but I will carry that trend on until I am better informed. That being said, I have flashed three different ROMs to my phone and only one has actually produced a stabilizing effect on my Android. You can find it in the T-Mobile USD HTC HD2 ROM Development forum, just search for "Android"
Apps:
Having trouble getting your apps to install? Try going into Settings - SD Card and "Unmount" your card and then try the install again. This worked for me when installing Angry Birds and Pocket Legends (two very awesome games).
"No Lock": This app disables the default sliding-lock screen. I had some issues early on with the screen locking up as I tried to turn it on. This has helped tremendously.
"Advanced Task Killer": Although cnet says this is rarely needed, they are not running Android from the SD card as we are You will need some sort of task killer because your phone can't handle the RAM drain every day activity brings.
"SlideIT Keyboard": Replacement for Swype. I've used Swype for so long that I consider this app a poor replacement, though you might disagree. It's better than nothing!
More to come!
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Coming Soon!
This is just a placeholder while I get the real deal written. Please be patient, I have a 2yo to care for and my keyboard time is hard to justify these days.
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Snarksneeze said:
Reserved.
Will put some lessons I learned in here later.
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This just raises the question of why didn't you just wait until you had the tutorial written before creating this thread?
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This just raises the question of why didn't you just wait until you had the tutorial written before creating this thread?
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Sorry, I accidentally submitted my first post instead of previewing it. Had to work fast before I looked like a complete idiot. Guess I wasn't fast enough, eh?
Thank you for this post, Ive been wanting to do this for a while but the other threads were very confusing to me...
sound dll of 2.13.xxx.xx problem
hi i have the tmous rom 2.13.xxx.xx when i run android i have the robotic voice, i understand that the sound dll is different than the 2.10.xxx.xx and this is the couse.
is there any solution??
Did you ever try android on a stock rom? will any of these android set ups work in stock tmous rom?
אםזגםנש said:
hi i have the tmous rom 2.13.xxx.xx when i run android i have the robotic voice, i understand that the sound dll is different than the 2.10.xxx.xx and this is the couse.
is there any solution??
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I actually had a custom ROM installed on my HD2 that caused the "robot voice". This ROM: {ROM}13Sep Omega WM6.5.x24634 Base3.04 manila2018#XT+Dinik+GTX+MaxSense+Black#Android is the only one I've been able to get a decent run of Android on.
We really, really need more than one option when it comes to ROMs that give Android good support, so if anyone else knows of one, this is a good thread to link it to.
szfjcr said:
Did you ever try android on a stock rom? will any of these android set ups work in stock tmous rom?
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I tried two different stocks: The one my phone came with way back in June and the new one at tmobile.com/wm_update. I was able to make calls, but the other person couldn't hear me.
I would recommend the ROM I linked to in the post just before this one; it's working great for me so far!
gonna try it thanks
for some reason i cant get it to reboot into android, it keeps going back to the stock windows rom, anyone know how to solve this? thanks in advance
dementievafan said:
for some reason i cant get it to reboot into android, it keeps going back to the stock windows rom, anyone know how to solve this? thanks in advance
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You might want to check this out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723200
hmm so that is the only way to do it currently? what is the logic behind not being able to put android directly on the phone's memory?
thanks again
I'm one of the lucky ones!
So far at least... I have been running Darkstone Froyo/Sense for approximately six hours with zero issues beyond it taking a bit to get used to Android again, which is not a complaint at all.
As I stated, I used Darkstone Froyo with Sense, latest release.
2.11 Radio
I did not have to revert my rom because I was able to use HSPL3 Successfully.
I have read several threads/posts but this was the most helpful, although I could not have completed this task without some other [TUT] threads.
Side note: I stated I have not had any issues, I wanted to mention that I had read some posts stating the 2.11 Radio had caused heat issues. With heavy downloading of apps, chatting, texting, and browsing constantly for the last six hours (as I was a passenger on a long drive right after I completed the install) I never noticed the phone getting hot, and I made a point to watch for this.
Again, thank you.
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hmm so that is the only way to do it currently? what is the logic behind not being able to put android directly on the phone's memory?
thanks again
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Apologies to everyone for not responding to this thread while on vacation in Arkansas.
In order to install Android on the HD2 as a regular ROM we would need access to the NAND processor, which we do not have at this time. We may never be able to get Android to flash that way. In the meantime, we can run it via Linux by using HaRET (Hardware Reverse-Engineering Tool). As far as I can tell, this is the API version of Froyo, the one that can be run via an emulator and downloaded from Google. So it's not really the phone version of Android, but from a user's standpoint, there is no difference.
electshrimp said:
So far at least... I have been running Darkstone Froyo/Sense for approximately six hours with zero issues beyond it taking a bit to get used to Android again, which is not a complaint at all.
As I stated, I used Darkstone Froyo with Sense, latest release.
2.11 Radio
I did not have to revert my rom because I was able to use HSPL3 Successfully.
I have read several threads/posts but this was the most helpful, although I could not have completed this task without some other [TUT] threads.
Side note: I stated I have not had any issues, I wanted to mention that I had read some posts stating the 2.11 Radio had caused heat issues. With heavy downloading of apps, chatting, texting, and browsing constantly for the last six hours (as I was a passenger on a long drive right after I completed the install) I never noticed the phone getting hot, and I made a point to watch for this.
Again, thank you.
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Thanks for your feedback
You mentioned that you could not have completed the install without other tutorials. Would you mind linking to them or telling me what I am missing?
To write this, I reformatted my SD card and installed a fresh ROM, then detailed each step I made along the way. I have looked back but can't see anything that I might have missed.
I see that you are running Froyo Sense. I linked to the regular Froyo, since it was the version that ran without any issues for me. Would this TUT be better if I were to link to the other builds as well?
Thanks for this [TUT]! I have this installed with Omega v13 and Radio 2.12.50.02_02. Works beautifully.
I also added Dual Boot option with Jmz Android Dual-Boot.cab as suggested by you in an earlier post. Very sweet.
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Thanks for this [TUT]! I have this installed with Omega v13 and Radio 2.12.50.02_02. Works beautifully.
I also added Dual Boot option with Jmz Android Dual-Boot.cab as suggested by you in an earlier post. Very sweet.
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Glad things worked out for you!
Keep us informed of any issues, tips or tricks you stumble upon as you enjoy your new Android
i have a few questions
im new to HD2, i want to run android on tmous unlocked hd2, i have stock rom no hspl, my spl version is 2.10.8 or something like that ... so how can i do it. Help appriciated
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i have a few questions
im new to HD2, i want to run android on tmous unlocked hd2, i have stock rom no hspl, my spl version is 2.10.8 or something like that ... so how can i do it. Help appriciated
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Stock simply doesn't work for Android. You can boot up, but can't make calls or hear external sound.
In order to get Android running, you will have to (1)Flash HSPL and (2)Flash an Android-friendly ROM.
I am far from being an expert on Android or Windows Mobile, so there may be something that I don't know about. If you are dead set on keeping stock, you might contact one of the Android-friendly chefs and ask them what changes they made to their versions.
Don't forget: Flashing your T-Mobile HD2 is dangerous. Never flash a ROM unless you found it here: T-Mobile USA HD2 ROM Development.
The original (Leo) HD2 is incompatible with the T-Mobile version and it is easy to get confused. Some websites aren't even bothering to mention the incompatibility and lot of folks are bricking their phones as a result.
While WP7 appears to be a major upgrade for HD2 from the entertainment point of view (720p recording alone is worth the trouble), for the professional user it's a step back, unfortunately, so I am not in a hurry to give up Windows Mobile It has nothing to do with the amazing work done by DFT and others, but with WP7 itself.
Copy and paste is not used that often, but at times could be vital for heavy e-mail and Office users. But at least Microsoft is working on that. Much more important is the lack of internet tethering support - a hugely underestimated feature. With original HD2 and an app like Wi-Fi Router I have a hotspot with me anywhere at any time, but with WP7 Microsoft is totally against it, possibly under pressure from the carriers.
Lack of file manager that we are used to seeing is an annoyance, but not a game changer. I am also not convinced the WP7 keyboard is nearly as good as the original HD2 one, and the apparent lack of foreign language keyboard support is also a concern.
Frankly, I am surprised not many people raise these issues, with Windows Mobile being, in my opinion, the best platform for business user, giving us a PC-like experience. But the trend appears to be dumbing down the smartphones (meaning heavy bias towards entertainment) to get the all-important market share. My hope is that Microsoft develops a special business-user version of WP7with all those issues covered.
In the meantime I would greatly appreciate an effort by developers to solve at least one of these problems - INTERNET TETHERING, either by Wi-Fi or USB. The solutions I've seen so far don't appear to be workable, but we are grateful for all your efforts.
And, finally, one question that is probably easy to answer. Is it possible, after trying out WP7 on HD2, to go back to the original ROM (T-Mobile USA)? If yes, can someone please point me to the clear directions on that?
Thank you!
how many people use phone? how many business man use phone? how many business man use phone really as a PDA? you get the point?
Don't forget, it's M$...
I'm sure I saw tethering on a MS to do list and get the impression it's less about being unwilling to do it an more about being unable, for now.
File Manager - there is one, TouchXplorer. More relevant is the difficulty in getting files on there - it can be done, but it's a faff.
I wouldn't argue that WP7 is more aimed at those who feel the need to share every sentient thought with 'friends' they don't even know on FacePage or Twaddle, but the Office tools are actually very good and with SkyDrive integration there are potentially some very useful ways of working.
The keyboard? Don'y like it especially but it's not much worse than the original. Having a Swype variant would be far better.
One thing not mentioned is the fact that WP7 is more stable and performs better than WM6.5.5.
There are a bunch of threads around on backing out WP7, a search should find something quite quickly but it's pretty straightforward.
Thanks a lot, Gustopher, for a detailed response! Good points.
bussinesmen always carry a notebook with them for heavy documents editing.
bussinesmen should have a corporate laptop with corporate 3g/umts dongle.
Real bussinesmen should have an assistent to do all their work.
However, the email client on WP7 is the best of all other platforms. Real full support for multiple folder syncing. Reading email is like reading a letter on a paper because of the clean and neat look. Just too bad it doesn't shows HTML.
There is always room for improvement and it'll get all the features eventually.
Actually most probs including Tethering can be solved with hacks or workarounds. For me the biggest annoyance is that mail forwarding was left out for some unknown reason. I forward a lot of mails from my phone and this really sucks big time
Also Office Mobile is less functional than it used to be on WM 6.5. Where is find and replace
To be candid i love the keyboard and the smoothness of the system but everything else is half done. How i wish i could just combine the features of different os. If i could then I'll combine the functionality of winsmob 6.5 with the keyboard and smoothness of wp7 and then take the apps from android. Thats would be the almost perfect os of all times. But hey i guess i'm just a dreamer.
Thanks for your responses. Hyellow, nowadays when they say "business user" (or "business traveler", etc), in America, they don't actually mean important businessmen, just people who use something for work - I guess I should've been more specific. Sometimes I carry a notebook, sometimes not, and I often need to receive and/or send emails with attached Word documents at different times of day and night. And I didn't even need a dongle with a great Wi-Fi sharing tool that I could also use to share internet with others.
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Actually most probs including Tethering can be solved with hacks or workarounds. For me the biggest annoyance is that mail forwarding was left out for some unknown reason. I forward a lot of mails from my phone and this really sucks big time
Also Office Mobile is less functional than it used to be on WM 6.5. Where is find and replace
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You can forward mails... Just tap on reply, and it will ask if you want to reply or just forward...
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And, finally, one question that is probably easy to answer. Is it possible, after trying out WP7 on HD2, to go back to the original ROM (T-Mobile USA)? If yes, can someone please point me to the clear directions on that?
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It's actually mentioned in the first post of the LEO70 ROM thread. Basically, to return to WM6.5, you just flash a ROM as you would normally do.
If you want to return to a TMOUS stock ROM, this would be how:
1) Get the stock ROM you want to flash
2) Shut down your HD2
3) Switch on your HD2 while holding the volume down key to enter bootloader
4) [Optional] Clean up NAND using task29
5) Flash your stock ROM, 2 options:
a) To remove HSPL, flash from MicroSD card
b) To keep HSPL, flash over USB using ROM Update Utility (RUU)
If you choose to remove HSPL, be careful to use an original ROM for your region/provider.
Barmalei said:
While WP7 appears to be a major upgrade ... the clear directions on that?
Thank you!
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I second this. Thats why im running android gingerbread. It is not perfect, but close. The main thing i am missing in andriod is a good office package. In wp7 it mainly designed for multimedia purpose..
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You can forward mails... Just tap on reply, and it will ask if you want to reply or just forward...
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OMG You really saved my day Never thought that forwarding will be bundled with reply
Thanks a lot for detailed instructions, meptik! I haven't flashed a ROM for a long time, so this is extremely helpful.
I also wonder if anyone knows an answer to this question:
If I take a stock U.S. T-Mobile-locked HD2 and run WP7 on it, does the phone become UNLOCKED so it can be used on any GSM carrier, including major European networks?
Solution for problems with SD cards and/or random reboots
Many people are experiencing problems with SD cards and/or random reboots, and I think I solved mine (I am rather a newbie), so here is my report.
Few days ago I installed WP7 (thanks a lot, DFT guys) on my U.S. T-mobile HD2 with its original 16 GB class 2 micro SD card, using radio 2.10.50.08.2.
Installation went very well, the phone worked very smoothly and very fast, except it started freezing and randomly rebooting. Hard resets didn't help. Then I removed SD card and reset the phone - it worked very well and fast and did not have any reboots.
I tried reformatting the SD card to Fat32 (using free software SDformatter - it fully clears the card after WP7 use and removes partitions, make sure you put Format Size Adjustment "ON" in Options) and reset the phone with the card. It did not help, the reboots were the same as before.
So I decided that the 16 GB card wasn't good for WP7 and bought a PNY 4 GB class 4 card for $10 at Staples. I reset the phone with this new card inside. At first everything worked very slowly, but at least the reboots completely disappeared. In few hours everything became fast, except for certain things, like it would take 15-30 seconds for the camera to reset after shooting a 1 min video.
Finally, I decided to try something else. I reflashed radio to 2.15.50.14 with the original 16 GB card (reformatted again), and everything seems to work very well -it's fast, and there has been no reboots so far in few hours. The battery also seems to drain with a normal pace.
Hello guys....and girls if any
i'm a bit of a noob, managed to get Android working from SD but thinking of putting it on NAND. My question(s) to you guys:
IS IT WORTH IT?
is the battery life - any better or at least equal to winmo?, functionality wise, is it 100% working?
Is having 2 OSs more versatile, is it worth getting rid of winmo and its apps?
Awaiting replies from members that have Android NAND for a while and can give a full view
I apologize if this question has been asked before...i looked...couldn't see a thread like this.
Thanks
Only recently did I switch to android on my HD2. I used WinMo Stock Rom before, but I had a lot of problems with Windows, I wasn't happy about the general UI and the lack of "modern" applications.
So 2 or 3 weeks ago I decided to switch to Android NAND. Here are some of the points witch made me use NAND instead of SD.
1st: Space. I only have a 2 GB SD, so a SD Rom would've taken 'all' or most of my SD Card Space.
Installing it on the ROM saved me a lot of Bytes. ^^
2nd: No trouble with 2 OSs. As I thought that WinMo was useless anyway, I thought it to be stupid to still have it and let it consume space. I thought, NAND can't run worse as WinMo did for me, so why keeping it as fallback ROM. Also, I have an old phone (Sony C905) to fall back when flashing ROMs or if any problem would occur. (Just to mention it, I did not have any problems at all really)
These where my main points to use a NAND ROM (I am using this one here by gpc: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=909096 )
After having used a NAND Rom for a couple of weeks now, I made the experience that these ROMs run very smoothly. Everything works for me, the sync between Google and Android is awesome. I followed the instructions of the cooks and did not have any problems with GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, ... everything is working fine (exept stock tethering - but that can be easily achieved by 3rd-party apps). My Problem is, that I flash relatively often and I do not use any kind of backup so I have to reinstall all my apps. But the 200+ MB which the ROM leaves free from internal memory enable me to install a lot of apps and the market helps me to easily reinstall all of them after a flash.
Overall, Android Gingerbread is more stable (as to your question: I'd say it is working to 95%, and the 5% missing being non-essential, or can be achieved by 3rd-party-apps), has more functions, and drains less battery than WinMo6.5 - in my own personal oppinion... and it only took me half an hour to get my device from Win to Android. So I still do not see the point in leaving WinMo on the device and use up space of your SD Card.
But you should ask yourself, what do you need from WinMo, what do you need from WinMo what it can not do, and what can an Android-ROM do for you. And if you find for yourself that a NAND Android can do everything you need from your OS (or even more), than where is the point in still using an outdated OS?
I hope I could help.
PS: There are a lot of votings here on XDA and as far as my memory goes most of them voted for NAND-based roms... so I don't think that I am alone with my oppinion.
EDIT: BIG WARNING Thou': I should read all posts (especially sticky-ones) carefully to see, if you have the right Radio, and so on! a NAND-Rom _does_ have some kind of risk installing, and I don't want to be held responcible for bricking your phone. I am just telling you my personal experience as a User (I am neighter a developer nor have I ever flashed a phone in my life before), but I know, that there are some Users which did encounter problems. It's your decision in the end, I guess.
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It depends if you still want winmo or not. Battery life is about the same as SD for me, overall performance is about the same as SD builds, but there are some bonuses with nand, like you can change sd cards, use recovery, couple other small things. If you don't use winmo anymore and don't want it, might as well put android to nand. You have to decide if losing winmo is worth it. Personally I use SD android because I have WP7 on NAND. I used NAND android for a while, and when I went back to SD android, I didn't really notice any difference. SD android is good enough for me and I think being able to have 2 OS's on my phone is much more important and is what makes the HD2 unique and special. If I just wanted android, I would have gotten a native android phone. When you put android on nand, it makes it just like any other android phone and there's nothing it can do that many other phones can't, but when dualbooting you're phone can do things that no other phone can do. And I use WP7 just as much as I use android now, so it's great having both OS's on the same phone.
I was pretty happy with WM+Sense on Stock T-Mobile HD2. And I'm expert-user of WM. But with so many apps for Android and so few NEW apps for WM - it is hard to resist. So I moved to Android SD-mode.
At that point I liked everything except battery life. And GPS Fix was slow. I tries few SD ROMs ... liked them all, not much difference for me. To fight battery drain I moved to NAND.
Speed-wise I do not see any difference between NAND and SD. My battery life is better with NAND. But then again ... may be ROMs get improved, may be I got more experience with how to manage things battery-wise. Got my slow GPS Fix resolved, but I'm sure it would work on SD-mode too.
I would almost all equivalent apps for Android to replace my favorite WM apps.
Bottom line is (for me).
1. Battery is still BETTER with WM. I have to charge every day with Android, with WM I could go 1.5 days, sometimes even 2. But then again ... Android is more into "cloud".
2. Booting into NAND directly is not much faster than WM+Android SD.
3. There is NO navigation with TTS+reliable map/poi source on Android which can be compared to properly skinned Primo 1.1 and that is my ONLY big complain.
4. Overall user experience with Android is better. For me at least. And it crashes much-much-much less than WM. Surprise !
Overall I'm happy with my WM->Android move and I'm not going back. But hey, I was happy on WM too
Well sort of. Had the phone for about 15 months now, and at the pub the other day, a friend of a friend sees my phone and says "visit xda-developers.com" and find out what you can do with your phone.
Currently - Phone stock standard with UK Voda, been updated once running WM 6.5. (simply to get a longer battery life - voda uk arent too proactive at updates)
I use the phone as
1. A phone (calls/texts etc) and a wireless router for a laptop (when out of the office and no internet connection)
2. Sync with my outlook on pc (W7/ outlook 2010) (to keep recent emails on record for work)
3. Retrieve emails (work account and hotmail) on the move. Guess its important to have office software and some PDF software.
4. Web Browsing (Opera)
5. Camera and Camcorder
6. Occasional Facebook uploads of photos (re: new years eve drunken photos)
7. Sometimes access messenger (live) msn
8. I have a Skype account (not ever used it on the phone)
9. Occasionally run the odd game or you tube to waste time
10. Have never bothered to put music on the phone, but would be good when I run once a week to listen to some decent tunes or radio.
I have briefly looked around the site (well done) and see a multitude of options for things I never really knew I could do on the phone. (For reference I had one of the old PSP 1.5v which I continually played around with to update (flash rom) to use homebrew applications - so can follow instructions quite well)
So here are my questions...
In an ideal world, what would you suggest would be the best course of action for the phone and why? I guess this should cover os/radio/software etc. I have no preferences.
Any issues to consider with Voda UK? - (this is my phone with a company sim, and its out of warranty)
I have looked around for a thread similar to this, as I wouldn't have posted if there was one. If there is one, please point me to it.
Wifey has an Iphone (dont ask) so I wouldnt mind having an all singing all dancing HTC HD2 to dazzle any Iphone owners with its brilliance.
Oh, and I am all for donating beer monies for those that can give me the best answers I seek
Cheers
I have gone down the dual boot windows Phone 7 and Sd Android route. There is a good video tutorial by 96Edwy.
I dont think your Mrs will be impressed by you spending hours on the computer/phone when you could be doing something useful!
I have found that no matter what you do with this brilliant phone, iphone users will still think theirs is the best.
Still, that said, its all good fun innit
well i think you should try out android.
all the points you mentioned are covered by the os so you can do everything you want.
the difference to wm 6.5 is the much greater number of software that is available.
i really liked wm 6.5.5 on my hd2 with sense but since i am using android i'm really happy with my phone. just because developement on android goes on.
and it's running so smooth on the hd2 and everything works.
you should make a full backup of your wm6.5 rom with spb backup or something like that and just try it out.
windows phone is also great but i think the lack of a good display driver for multitouch is more noticable on windows phone than on android.
but just try it out and decide on your own. if you flashed everything one time it's really fast and you can try everything in one day.
I think it is a must to at least try dual booting Windows Phone 7 and Android. I am currently running Windows Phone 7 (NoDo update) and Android (AOSP CM7 - AmericanAndroid) and I LOVE it. You can get the power and customizability of CM7 at any time, and at the press (or a few presses) of a button you can go back to the smooth, elegant, sleek interface of Windows Phone 7 if you want simplicity and a more robust/unique UI. I never find battery life to be too draining on the SD Android, and there are tweaks to get it respectable on Windows Phone 7. And, this is of course all with the amazing MAGLDR, which allows us to dual boot this. I even have a couple other builds (MIUI and/or Sense) of Android I will switch to sometimes with just a few extra button presses in MAGLDR. So, I guess you could say I'm tri-booting even. Moral of the story, you can do so much more when you dual boot. The only thing I am missing out on Android being on SD (that I know of) is Clockworkmod recovery, which isn't as necessary since you can drag and drop from your SD card to back up system and data images. Well, I've rambled far too long and hope this helps you. Good luck!
I'd suggest you read this guide to get started. It'll help you understand all the terms and what nots in this HD2 world.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
And as they say above, if you want an experience, go for dual booting. Though you need to find yourself two sd cards and be carrying them. xD
Kailkti said:
I'd suggest you read this guide to get started. It'll help you understand all the terms and what nots in this HD2 world.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1021837
And as they say above, if you want an experience, go for dual booting. Though you need to find yourself two sd cards and be carrying them. xD
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there's no need for two cards just the right partitioning.
I suggest you to use the phone as is on Windows Mobile 6.5 till you get used to it. The HD2 is awesome even on the Windows Mobile. Next when you feel you need to do more, you need more updated apps, and more functionality on the HD2, you can switch to Android, which is available in various flavors- Sense & Stock. You will have the options to chose a ROM which would give what you need, and there will always be updates to the OS, to the apps it uses and also the functionality enhancement.
If Windows Phone 7 gets more apps and developers produce something good, you'll have additional choice here. WP7 is really slick on HD2, just the lack of apps and several bugs, specifically related to battery, etc.
Concerning outshining the iPhone, you have got wonderful widgets to outdo the iPhone Springboard. Similar apps are also available on the Android Market. Moreover you will have extra functionality like Bluetooth transfer between any devices, use of your phone as storage (pen) drive, for tethering (USB & WiFi) on laptop, transfering music, data or other content from any PC, no iTunes.
As mentioned above, you do not need 2 SD cards. I have my 16GB partitioned where Android gets ~8GB and WP7 gets ~8GB. Also, Hamsn, I believe the OP is already at this point, seeing from his first post that he's had it for 15 months and is now looking for suggestions on where to go from WM6.5. Either way, OP, I think you will be pleasantly surprised regardless of which route you take. There are so many options for the HD2 that it really is like a computer in your pocket. Just how you can load pretty much any OS on a laptop without big corporations locking it down, that's how the HD2 is (and how every smart phone should be!). This is off topic, but on that note, I suggest every HD2 owner go "like" the HTC page on Facebook and leave a post telling them how they better revise their new bootloader policy (with the locked EVO 3D, etc.) or we will never buy HTC again. We will never have a worthy successor to the HD2 if they keep this up.
Spot on drewden123. I am looking for something different than 6.5 (as been on this almost 17 months now). I think I will go down the dual boot route, (WP7 and Android) just getting myself a larger micro SD card to handle it. (as noted I will follow the partition instructions using a 16gb card)
I already know that WP7 will probably do my nut if it causes battery issues (this is the only bad thing I have to say about the whole phone since I had it), but I wont know until I try it.
I guess I will finally end back on a likely 6.5 /Android dual boot.
Just wanted to know if people thought I should not even try WP7 considering the need for activation being a slight pain vs what WP7 actually delivers on this phone.
Thanks for all input so far.
i just tried it for some time without activating and sideloaded some apps. just to see how i like it. but then i went back to android on nand without dual boot to be able to use cwm recovery.
i would suggest you doing the same and if you like wp7 you can activate and install dual boot. but if you don't know if you will like it you shouldn't do the whole work with partitioning sd, activating and everything.
i went back because the multitouch on wp was much worse than on android and the battery drain was just too high. also i was not able to get an activation code.
Foxmanuk said:
Well sort of. Had the phone for about 15 months now, and at the pub the other day, a friend of a friend sees my phone and says "visit xda-developers.com" and find out what you can do with your phone.
Currently - Phone stock standard with UK Voda, been updated once running WM 6.5. (simply to get a longer battery life - voda uk arent too proactive at updates)
I use the phone as
1. A phone (calls/texts etc) and a wireless router for a laptop (when out of the office and no internet connection)
2. Sync with my outlook on pc (W7/ outlook 2010) (to keep recent emails on record for work)
3. Retrieve emails (work account and hotmail) on the move. Guess its important to have office software and some PDF software.
4. Web Browsing (Opera)
5. Camera and Camcorder
6. Occasional Facebook uploads of photos (re: new years eve drunken photos)
7. Sometimes access messenger (live) msn
8. I have a Skype account (not ever used it on the phone)
9. Occasionally run the odd game or you tube to waste time
10. Have never bothered to put music on the phone, but would be good when I run once a week to listen to some decent tunes or radio.
I have briefly looked around the site (well done) and see a multitude of options for things I never really knew I could do on the phone. (For reference I had one of the old PSP 1.5v which I continually played around with to update (flash rom) to use homebrew applications - so can follow instructions quite well)
So here are my questions...
In an ideal world, what would you suggest would be the best course of action for the phone and why? I guess this should cover os/radio/software etc. I have no preferences.
Any issues to consider with Voda UK? - (this is my phone with a company sim, and its out of warranty)
I have looked around for a thread similar to this, as I wouldn't have posted if there was one. If there is one, please point me to it.
Wifey has an Iphone (dont ask) so I wouldnt mind having an all singing all dancing HTC HD2 to dazzle any Iphone owners with its brilliance.
Oh, and I am all for donating beer monies for those that can give me the best answers I seek
Cheers
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New knowledge to me. Thank you ... (sorry... should hit the thanks button...)
Foxmanuk said:
Spot on drewden123. I am looking for something different than 6.5 (as been on this almost 17 months now). I think I will go down the dual boot route, (WP7 and Android) just getting myself a larger micro SD card to handle it. (as noted I will follow the partition instructions using a 16gb card)
I already know that WP7 will probably do my nut if it causes battery issues (this is the only bad thing I have to say about the whole phone since I had it), but I wont know until I try it.
I guess I will finally end back on a likely 6.5 /Android dual boot.
Just wanted to know if people thought I should not even try WP7 considering the need for activation being a slight pain vs what WP7 actually delivers on this phone.
Thanks for all input so far.
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Well, fwiw I do not have that much of a battery drain on WP7, and most ROMs have a bug/fix where if you go into camera, switch it to camcorder, then switch back the battery drain is fixed. Also, activation is a breeze if you do it over MS chat (say you're from US though, I think). The good thing about having the dual boot is that WP7 is only going to improve and get more modern from here. If you dual boot with WM6.5 the OS gets more and more stagnant and outdated. We should be getting Mango sometime in the coming months and I think DFT will have a way where you can actually update your phone directly from Zune like it's an HD7. And, of course, you can always keep a nice CM7 or MIUI for your Android boot option. Maybe I'm just so dazzled by having both the awesome UI of WP7 and the power of CM7 that I think it's the best way to go, but it all comes down to personal preference. If you need the features of WM6.5 go for it. But, WP7, like I said, is just getting better and better, and the only difference from NAND Android and SD is that you don't get clockworkmod. With WP7 and Android you can basically have an HD7 and an EVO in one device.
Thanks for all the help on this thread. I have successfully dual booted WP7 and SD Android on first attempt.
For fellow newbies out there, read, read, read, and then take things slow.
I made sure I knew as much as I could and things went through easily.
WP7 was a 3 min job over MS chat. All working well.
Just getting used to both OS. Think I will use WP7 at work, and Android later in the day. I will post back about practicalities of having both as dual boot options.
I can see already there are a few things I need to get used to on both OS.
Hello all,
Firstly a big thank you to all on this site for offering such a fantastic platform to rebuild our priced gadgets to something which is more user friendly...
I aint no techie but in the past have used this site to upgrade the ROM/RADIO for my HTC HD2 phone as was constantly facing a drop in signal and the phone booting up etc...
My current details are as listed below:
OS 5.2.21913(21913.5.0.94)
Manila version 2.5.20181527.1
Rom version 3.14.161.3 (04666) WWE
Rom date 15Dec 2010
Radio version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version 15.42.50.11U
some of my queries:
- I am thinking of converting this to a complete Android OS... Is this possible on the above specs ?
- Is the benefit with Android only to do with additional applications available in the MARKET (WIN6.5 hardly has any and most are charged!) or will i get a better connectivity/signal strength and a better battery life ?
- I noticed on a few forums about a dual boot with Android on the SD card but am not keen on booting the phone every now and then.. would rather stick to one - Android or W6.5
- I do have a problem with the phone sometimes while browsing with Opera or IE. The phone heats up a lot and then just shuts off or the screen freezes and I need to open the battery slot, get the battery out, reinsert and then start the phone all over again. Its quiet sad thing and yet I love the damn phone!
I apologize in advance in case if I have posted this wrongly in this forum. Kindly point me to the right direction, as always...
Cheers!
HTC fan from India
Do it, there is a tool that can do it for you without much hassle, nice simple gui. I would suggest doing the nand android method instead of booting from sd.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
enigma075 said:
Hello all,
Firstly a big thank you to all on this site for offering such a fantastic platform to rebuild our priced gadgets to something which is more user friendly...
I aint no techie but in the past have used this site to upgrade the ROM/RADIO for my HTC HD2 phone as was constantly facing a drop in signal and the phone booting up etc...
My current details are as listed below:
OS 5.2.21913(21913.5.0.94)
Manila version 2.5.20181527.1
Rom version 3.14.161.3 (04666) WWE
Rom date 15Dec 2010
Radio version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version 15.42.50.11U
some of my queries:
- I am thinking of converting this to a complete Android OS... Is this possible on the above specs ?
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yes
- Is the benefit with Android only to do with additional applications available in the MARKET (WIN6.5 hardly has any and most are charged!)
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yes
or will i get a better connectivity/signal strength and a better battery life ?
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no
- I noticed on a few forums about a dual boot with Android on the SD card but am not keen on booting the phone every now and then.. would rather stick to one - Android or W6.5
- I do have a problem with the phone sometimes while browsing with Opera or IE. The phone heats up a lot and then just shuts off or the screen freezes and I need to open the battery slot, get the battery out, reinsert and then start the phone all over again. Its quiet sad thing and yet I love the damn phone!
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oh dear, that doesn't sound good, I'd suspect overheating leading to hardware faults. As an example I can browse and listen to music all day long with very little temperature change. Winmo or android.
I apologize in advance in case if I have posted this wrongly in this forum. Kindly point me to the right direction, as always...
Cheers!
HTC fan from India
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Summary,,, if you want to change, change, if you don't, don't. Android wont make the phone "better" but it will give you new stuff to play with.
That being said I'd be wary of too much flashing since it sounds like you have possible hardware problems on the horizon,,be a shame to get stuck in an unflashable state.
hello guys... thank you both for your encouragement... would rather flash the phone and play around with something new instead of letting it die a natural death...
Whats the latest version of the NAND ANDROID that you guys recommend ? ne links on it with a detailed description...step by step... i aint a techie remember..
thanks for the views and responses...
Cheers!
I had the same dilemma a few days ago, ended up putting on the NAND rom of android and it obviously a lot better to play around with than winmo but the battery life is not as good as with winmo on. Still lasts a couple of days on standby with a little bit of use.
The rom I would reccommend is the one I flashed, Typhoon cyanogen mod 7 without sense but every thing works perfectly on it so far.
Here's a link to it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
Once you have installed it set the cpu with SetCpu app to about 800 mhz and it works fine without getting overly hot.
ryan123459 said:
I had the same dilemma a few days ago, ended up putting on the NAND rom of android and it obviously a lot better to play around with than winmo but the battery life is not as good as with winmo on. Still lasts a couple of days on standby with a little bit of use.
The rom I would reccommend is the one I flashed, Typhoon cyanogen mod 7 without sense but every thing works perfectly on it so far.
Here's a link to it : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
Once you have installed it set the cpu with SetCpu app to about 800 mhz and it works fine without getting overly hot.
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Also, by tweaking the CPU VDD levels you will provide to keep your phone colder and squeeze some more juice from the battery: you can find all the instructions on the first page of Tyween's thread (the link above).
hi there... thanks both for your response... is the version provided in your message the latest files/version that is available for download or are there any other versions to look around for ?
Before flashing I plan to save my contacts with msn mobile... it saves my contacts and sms's... will i be able to recover it in the same format after i upload android ?
noticed on some forums that gsensor is a problem... does it impact the functioning so much on android ?
One of you mentioned 'sense' will not work on android... does that mean the seamless touch that is there on w6.5 will no longer be applicable...
requesting all this information just to be double sure b4 going ahead with something major like this...
are there any video tutorials on this ? the link as so many sublinks... i am thoroughly confused...
thanks in advance for your response...
The version of android is 2.3.5, the latest version at the moment I think.
The G sensor works fine on mine I have been playing games which use the sensor.
The phone touch will work fine its just you won't have the htc customization of clocks etc.
I'm not sure about saving contacts but if you could somehow save the contacts with a Google account it would be straight forward getting them onto android.
So to sum up everything seems to work fine as it would on Android though the battery doesn't last as long, but it still lasts a considerable time for a smartphone.
If you follow the link for the Rom I posted, in there, there is a instruction document made by someone which is very easy to follow. Just follow it step by step and you should be just fine.
PS make sure you backup anything you require before starting the process.
Good Afternoon
A friend of mine wants to install Android onto his device and wants me to do it for him as he doesn't want to mess it up.
Is there any sort of idiot guide to show me how to do this, I don't think it'll be easy as when I update the ROMs on my Desire HD
Also which build would one recommend, I want something he can use wiht any issues if possible.
Thanks in advance
hi ryan,
thanks for your revert mate... and clarifying about the gsensor. When you say the standard HTC application like 'clock etc' will not be there... would that take away the weather background which I so like... is there something similar available in the android market to download at a later stage (i love the weather thing HTC has to offer)...
Never tried google to synchronize my phone contacts... is it done through USB or over the air using 2G or something like that (sorry am quiet a novice with gmail!). Will it sync my sms's too... ?
I have changed my battery and no longer use the original HTC one... as it would drain out in a few hours inspite of me using the phone sparingly. I now use a chinese battery from the last few months and it lasts me a good 1.5-2days at max...
Will my service provider in India 'Loop Mobile' be able to send me the new settings that are compatible with android ? Being a weekend I don't want to loose out on contact sync in the middle of the night if the data plan is not activated again...ne suggestions would be appreciated..
There is a clock-weather app in the market which is similar to HTC sense's.
Not sure how google sync works with winmo you would have to figure that out.
About the service proivder I can't be 100% sure as my first android rom on SD didn't work straight away with T-mobile uk but this typhoon one worked straight away, but if you had setting on winmo you should be able to get it on android.
Software Guru said:
Good Afternoon
A friend of mine wants to install Android onto his device and wants me to do it for him as he doesn't want to mess it up.
Is there any sort of idiot guide to show me how to do this, I don't think it'll be easy as when I update the ROMs on my Desire HD
Also which build would one recommend, I want something he can use wiht any issues if possible.
Thanks in advance
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Follow the link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
and under install tutorials use the clean installation guide, which I used and it tells you step by step what to do, remember to download all the required files first which are all in the link.
Hi, use "SpriteMigrate" to transfer your sms from winmo to android.
I prefer Typhoon, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=933951
hi there... i just checked up the "spritemigrate" site and they have closed their FREE BETA application... what a shame as it seemed like the perfect solution to my problem of storing sms/contacts before flashing the phone...
any other options ?
cheers and thanks for writing in mate...
hi there again... as mentioned in my earlier posts... i have sync my phone to msn mobile and hence all my contacts and sms's are backed up every night on msn... once i move to android.. will i be able to sync the phone again just as i did with w6.5 ?
I do have a gmail account but not sure if they have the feature of storing sms's along with the contacts in google mobile. I am frustrated trying to figure out an option for contacts and sms's together.. any help would be appreciated...
cheers!
Oh Lord... I am so frustrated... spent the whole afternoon trying to figure out to save contacts and sms's online somewhere before i flash my phone but sadly no luck... just realised msn-my phone service has been deactivated and most other services are paid services...
Guess this is the only thing that is stopping me now from flashing the phone inspite of downloading most of the required files...
My last attempt - any help guys ?!?!?
thanks in advance...
Cheers!
Hi Enigma075, a little off topic but watch out with flashing in case the issues that you've described get worse. The symptoms you're describing, phone heating and screen unresponsive are exactly what happened to my HD2 recently. A week or two after it started the screen became entirely unresponsive and now HTC are (hopefully) fixing it.
Have a search on google, a few other people have encountered this as well.
I recommend trying SD first.
Note that some users reported NAND android to cause bad blocks in the NAND. so if anything bad happens, you might not be able to flash windows again. Read a lot about specific NAND build before you try them.
SD builds cause bad blocks on SD card, which is easily repairable. on NAND, it's not easy, if possible.
hello Dr. Move & Wsummers,
thank you both for responding to my post. I guess I would go in for the SD first as its getting extremely frustrating to save my contacts somewhere and then put it back again on NAND plus the tension of bricking the phone completely...
Are you able to advise me on the latest link on the SD version ? Have a few questions on this method:
- Will the phone become slow in terms of usage ?
- Will I have to reload the contacts again when i boot it to the sd android mode ?
- Whats the battery response like ?
Thanks again for your insights...
Cheers!
you can use titanium backup to backup your contacts, it'll save you quite sometime. alternatively, you can export your contacts to your SD and reload them again on the SD version.
Newer SD build are quite fast in terms of usage, not as fast as the NAND, but the difference is barely noticeable.. but that depends on how you use your device. Note that some games may not work on certain SD versions.
You can try the two versions in my sig, I've tried both for more than a month, and they're quite stable.
Battery consumption in standby is low in new builds, I get around 7 mA/h when the phone is on and 3 mA/h on airplane mode. some people experience even lower values. it depends more on your SD, and the network coverage.
in hourly terms, you'll lose ~1% per hour, and ~1% every two hours on airplane mode.
if you have any problems regarding the SD version, you can check my troubleshooter (in my sig), or ask me directly