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quick question

just wanted to ask if anyone knows if the g2 or the mytouch 4g is better? (when it comes to processor and ram and battery )

LOL. I hope you are wearing your flak jacket because you are about to get hit by 3 people telling you that this question belongs in the Q&A section and another half dozen telling you to use the search feature before posting.
(fwiw, I think the battery lasts longer on my mt4g than my wife's g2. the mt4g has more ram for running apps. the g2 has more "internal" memory but most of isn't available for installing apps nor running apps so it's practically worthless. and the mt4g has a better processor.)
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=t-mobile-mytouch-4g&phone=t-mobile-g2

kevnkate said:
LOL. I hope you are wearing your flak jacket because you are about to get hit by 3 people telling you that this question belongs in the Q&A section and another half dozen telling you to use the search feature before posting.
(fwiw, I think the battery lasts longer on my mt4g than my wife's g2. the mt4g has more ram for running apps. the g2 has more "internal" memory but most of isn't available for installing apps nor running apps so it's practically worthless. and the mt4g has a better processor.)
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=t-mobile-mytouch-4g&phone=t-mobile-g2
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lol has happened before but wait i heard that the g2's 800mhz beats the mytouchs 1ghz processor . that true ?

I don't know the result of the latest overclocking wars but the mt4g has a newer generation of processor than the g2 and it's 200mhz faster out of the box.

No, and the g2 has the same internal memory. The difference is it runs vanilla android and the mt4g runs mysense. All the bloat in mysense takes up a lot more space.
Same gen scorpion processor running 200Mhz faster.
My MyGlacier 4G MINE!!!

grankin01 said:
No, and the g2 has the same internal memory. The difference is it runs vanilla android and the mt4g runs mysense. All the bloat in mysense takes up a lot more space.
Same gen scorpion processor running 200Mhz faster.
My MyGlacier 4G MINE!!!
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is the mytouch keyboard easy to use bc i txt alot ? lol
and oh okay cool but once overclocked the mytouch stays the faster and longer lasting battery ?

I had the g2 also and I can say battery life is alot better with the mt4g. As for typing, I find the stock keyboard is pretty easy to use. When you go landscape you can use both thumbs perfectly. The only gripe I have is in landscape the comma and space bar are to close together.
My MyGlacier 4G MINE!!!

You've just been served. Post questions in Q&A section next time.

Just to clarify about the ram - the g2 only has 512mb of execution ram and the mt4g has 768mb. They both have approximately the same size partition of install ram (just over 1gb).
The g2 actually has more overall internal ram but over 2gb of it isn't available for running apps nor installing apps - it's basically wasted and useless. There are threads about it over in the g2 forum and htc and tmobile have some lame excuses about why it isn't available but they continue to show specs for the g2 with over 4gb total internal ram when in reality less than 2gb can actually be used for anything.
So, ultimately, the mt4g has an edge if you are just talking total usable ram for execution and install space.

Also, the google comparison link I posted above points out that they have different processors. The mt4g has an msm8255 processor and the g2 has the msm7230.
Between the g2 and mt4g:
Best ram = mt4g
Best processor = mt4g
Best battery = probably mt4g but no definitive proof of that
I like the g2 a lot but the only real advantages is has offer mt4g are vanilla android and physical keyboard (if those things matter to you). Mt4g has numerous advantages including ram, processor, ffc, maybe battery, and at some point the docking will be better since we have the docking contact points on the side of mt4g while g2 will always have to plug into micro usb.

kevnkate said:
Just to clarify about the ram - the g2 only has 512mb of execution ram and the mt4g has 768mb. They both have approximately the same size partition of install ram (just over 1gb).
The g2 actually has more overall internal ram but over 2gb of it isn't available for running apps nor installing apps - it's basically wasted and useless. There are threads about it over in the g2 forum and htc and tmobile have some lame excuses about why it isn't available but they continue to show specs for the g2 with over 4gb total internal ram when in reality less than 2gb can actually be used for anything.
So, ultimately, the mt4g has an edge if you are just talking total usable ram for execution and install space.
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Also, the google comparison link I posted above points out that they have different processors. The mt4g has an msm8255 processor and the g2 has the msm7230.
Between the g2 and mt4g:
Best ram = mt4g
Best processor = mt4g
Best battery = probably mt4g but no definitive proof of that
I like the g2 a lot but the only real advantages is has offer mt4g are vanilla android and physical keyboard (if those things matter to you). Mt4g has numerous advantages including ram, processor, ffc, maybe battery, and at some point the docking will be better since we have the docking contact points on the side of mt4g while g2 will always have to plug into micro usb.
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I wasn't comparing the system ram but yes it does have 256Mb more than the G2. I actually meant that the space on the eMMC chip for both devices is the same and they both have (possibly) had that space cut in half in favor of increased performance for reads and writes. These chips have (possibly) been irreversibly programmed as SLC (Single Level Cell) which actually helps stability, makes faster reads/writes, and possibly more reads/writes. Therefore, they both have 4GB chips that have (possibly) been programmed as SLC (except for a few tiny partitions like the radio, etc.) leaving roughly 2GB as usable space. The G2 has roughly 1.2GB left after OS install and the MT4G has roughly 960MB after OS install. Considering the fact that the MT4G MySense rom is about 312MB compressed (before install) and the G2 Vanilla rom is about 124MB compressed (before install) you can see where that 200 and some MB has gone.
As for the processor, I never said it had the same processor I simply stated that it had the same generation processor. The MSM7230 and the MSM8255 are both second generation snapdragon processors. Here is a link if you would like to read a little more on it:
http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
If it doesn't come right up with the information just click the "Product Details" tab and scroll down a little after it loads.
Also, (not that it makes it any better) the battery has 100mAh more than the G2. The G2 has 1300mAh and the MT4G has 1400mAh.

Good points! We seem to be more interested in this thread than the original poster. Lol
You really can't go wrong with either phone. I think if your going to run stock then mt4g has a significant edge. If you're going to install custom roms and over-clock then the mt4g loses some of its lead but I think it is still slightly ahead.

There is one big advantage the g2 has that we've been overlooking. On xda the g2 doesn't have separate boards for q&a and general. So it's easier to post. Lol

kevnkate said:
The g2 actually has more overall internal ram but over 2gb of it isn't available for running apps nor installing apps - it's basically wasted and useless. There are threads about it over in the g2 forum and htc and tmobile have some lame excuses about why it isn't available but they continue to show specs for the g2 with over 4gb total internal ram when in reality less than 2gb can actually be used for anything.
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I'll have to find these and read. I was curious as to why devs couldn't 'unearth' the extra space.

daryllh said:
I'll have to find these and read. I was curious as to why devs couldn't 'unearth' the extra space.
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Found the reason. Interesting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision#The_Missing_2GB

kevnkate said:
Good points! We seem to be more interested in this thread than the original poster. Lol
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I think you're right, LOL. A good debate is actually an excellent learning to for all involved, audience and participants.
I can honestly live with the eMMC being cut in half like that based on the performance edge it will give all the devices that use this particular technology. That coupled with the extra system ram and "nerd strength" processor should make this an awesome platform for the custom side of the fence. That is, once the devs get their hands on a device to Frankenstein the crap out of.
BTW, I had a G2 and I loved the phone but I couldn't put up with the random reboots (which I think were fixed with the OTA they received) and the loose z-hinge. The loose z-hinge made me look like a circus attraction every once in a while as I would go to pick the phone up off the dash of my yard tractor and then juggle it for about 10 or 15 seconds trying not to let it "jump" out of my hands. If you don't grab it just right it develops a mind of its own, LOL.

grankin01 said:
I think you're right, LOL. A good debate is actually an excellent learning to for all involved, audience and participants.
I can honestly live with the eMMC being cut in half like that based on the performance edge it will give all the devices that use this particular technology. That coupled with the extra system ram and "nerd strength" processor should make this an awesome platform for the custom side of the fence. That is, once the devs get their hands on a device to Frankenstein the crap out of.
BTW, I had a G2 and I loved the phone but I couldn't put up with the random reboots (which I think were fixed with the OTA they received) and the loose z-hinge. The loose z-hinge made me look like a circus attraction every once in a while as I would go to pick the phone up off the dash of my yard tractor and then juggle it for about 10 or 15 seconds trying not to let it "jump" out of my hands. If you don't grab it just right it develops a mind of its own, LOL.
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I do agree with you. Debate/discussion is a great learning tool for everyone.
I too had a G2 before trading it in for the MT4G. It was a fantastic decision. I have had many phones over the years and the MT4G is probably the best I've owned.
Having had numerous Blackberries before jumping ship and going Droid, I thought having a physical qwerty kb was something I couldn't live without. The Evo was a nice phone but too chunky for my taste. I then purchased the G2 thinking that the KB would be perfect. Then I found Smart Keyboard Pro in the Market and realized that it had auto-text features exactly like the BB's and ended up never using the physical kb at all.
When the MT4G launch date was announced I knew I had to check it out. After testing it out for over an hour in-store, I was sold. Swapped phones that day.
I apparently got one with a good display and centered FFC, no creaking buttons etc. I seem to have been lucky.
As far as memory (RAM), after all is said and done (rooting, freezing apps etc) I normally have 300MB of free mem. I have 72 apps installed (some on phone, most on SD card) and still have 968.8MB free
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The phone runs incredibly fast and stable with no rebooting issues or lag. It's fast. Sure you can overclock the G2 and get great Quadrant scores. But with setCPU installed and a couple 'underclock' profiles set up, I can actually get 2 days of power-user use out of my MT4G. Overclocking is cool if you wanna show off in front of your friends, but for power-users like myself, 2 days of use is better than looking cool. I use my phone for business and personal, not gaming and goofing around.
I have customized the phone exactly the way I want the UI and couldn't be happier.

Lol I'm interestedd but after hearing your points I went straight to T-Mobile to order it but guys I like flashing rom's and stuff so is the mytouch still the better phone?
And as for the overclocking, who has the advantage?
And if I'm right don't it lower your battery life?

Why the low ram???

I'm using ss launcher.... Bt the ram is so low!
Earlier I used to hv abt 400mb free ram
Now there is a lot of battery drain. Any of u facing similar probs!? Ny tips???
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Why do you worry about free RAM? You should only care about it when it actually matters, like e.g. some application runs out of memory, but as long as nothing is affected then there's no reason to care.

chillteddy said:
Bt the ram is so low!
Earlier I used to hv abt 400mb free ram
Now there is a lot of battery drain. Any of u facing similar probs!? Ny tips???
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The way Android manages RAM differs from Windows. It's about normal imho.
Sent from the galaxy far far away.

must be your keyboard leaking, it's missing characters

Your batterydrain is another issue.. make a quick search on the forum and you should find many threads with battery drain issues. and solutions

RAM is meant to be utilized. let it go.

Does excess ram use mean more battery drainage?
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As most of you thought more RAM is used in Android, better the device performs. That isn't true (If it is why device with more RAM is always more desirable). More RAM used, phone performs more like sh!t- slow and lag until reboot. Low RAM could be the result of some apps don't release RAM after closed.

no..
applications can be resident in RAM but suspended in operation hence no cpu/system activity and any associated battery drain would be trivial.
what would matter to suspended apps is whether there is an automatic update associated with them...obviously the less frequent you are updating weather, news, feeds etc, the less battery drain you make.
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Does excess ram use mean more battery drainage?
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Can low ram effect battery?
Does having low ram cause your battery to run down??

Yours is a misleading post and not afaik, technically accurate.
apps take up memory space when resident. period. If all of your frequently used apps are resident then the performance of the device will not appear to be any "better" if the headroom is 50MB or 500MB... so more ram does not mean better performance .
A device with larger memory simply allows for more apps to be resident...and reduces the occurrence of system closing apps in order to open others.. so in this respect, you are correct that if a user is unaware of his responsibility to check his systems health he will see more lag/slow response in a device with smaller memory than a large one.. but such a user will have the problem regardless..
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CyberGhos said:
As most of you thought more RAM is used in Android, better the device performs. That isn't true (If it is why device with more RAM is always more desirable). More RAM used, phone performs more like sh!t- slow and lag until reboot. Low RAM could be the result of some apps don't release RAM after closed.
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low ram doesn't mean you have a problem or cause battery drain.
but it might. best is to actually download an app to see what drains your battery..
low ram is like a cough, it might be some illness/problem but then again it might just be nothing.

Mystic38 said:
Yours is a misleading post and not afaik, technically accurate.
apps take up memory space when resident. period. If all of your frequently used apps are resident then the performance of the device will not appear to be any "better" if the headroom is 50MB or 500MB... so more ram does not mean better performance .
A device with larger memory simply allows for more apps to be resident...and reduces the occurrence of system closing apps in order to open others.. so in this respect, you are correct that if a user is unaware of his responsibility to check his systems health he will see more lag/slow response in a device with smaller memory than a large one.. but such a user will have the problem regardless..
regards
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Why open more app slow your device? Less RAM available require more time to allocate RAM when requested and make RAM chips hotter, and reduction of battery life is the consequence

WereCatf said:
Why do you worry about free RAM? You should only care about it when it actually matters, like e.g. some application runs out of memory, but as long as nothing is affected then there's no reason to care.
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Actually I care about free ram. Sometimes I press the home button to multi task to only get back to the app that I was using to find that the Note had closed it, which can be somewhat frustrating. So... Why do I worry about free RAM? Well, to keep the apps I want open... well... OPEN! Good enough reason?

chillteddy said:
I'm using ss launcher.... Bt the ram is so low!
Earlier I used to hv abt 400mb free ram
Now there is a lot of battery drain. Any of u facing similar probs!? Ny tips???
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CyberGhos said:
Why open more app slow your device?
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Having multiple apps running slows the device down because they use CPU. Having multiple apps open, but not running does not affect the system.
Less RAM available require more time to allocate RAM when requested
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Yes, but the difference can be measured in nanoseconds, not even milliseconds. Let's take a very much simplified thought-excercise here:
Googling around reveals us that the Galaxy Note sports 1GB LPDDR2 memory. The speed isn't nowhere to be found, but so far I haven't seen a single mobile device with LPDDR2 have anything else than 1066Mhz memory, so I assume Galaxy Note belongs in that category, too. If one was writing 32bit double-words in memory at the maximum 1066Mhz speed that would translate into rougly 4TB/s.
The CPU can write a 32bit dword, ie. 4 bytes, per clock-cycle and running at 1.4Ghz that again would translate to 5.6TB/s.
There are several other hardware factors to play around with here, but neither the CPU or the LPDDR2 clearly is the bottleneck.
Now, on the software side of things, not all memory actually needs to be zeroed because the application code overwrites what was there before anyways when loaded, leaving only the data areas to be zeroed. Naively assuming an application consumed, say, 50MB memory for its data the whole data area could be cleared in 50MB -> 0.0000476837158203125TB / 4TBps ~= 0.000011920928955078125 seconds.
In addition to the ~0.000012 seconds it takes to clear that memory the OS needs to update its own data structures, like e.g. page tables and malloc tables, to reflect the new memory allocations. This adds another 0.000001 seconds to the time we deducted, leaving us at ~0.000013 consumed.
However, do you notice something? I'll give you a few seconds to think about it.
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Yes, that's right: these things happen anyways every single time you launch an application, regardless of how much free RAM there is before-hand. None of these things correlate with the amount of free memory and as such the amount of free RAM actually does have no bearing on memory allocation speed whatsoever.
It would be a different matter if there was less RAM available than the application you're trying to run requires: the system would have to kill one of the already-loaded applications to make room for the new one. That is, however, again a very fast thing to do; just erase all references to the application from kernel structures, including allocation table - references, mark the pages as free, and continue as normal. Bear in mind, though, that this would mean you have like 1MB RAM free, something that is not all that easy to accomplish with the automatic memory-management of Android!
Or to put all this into much shorter, more friendly terms: you're talking out of your ass.
and make RAM chips hotter, and reduction of battery life is the consequence
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Given the Galaxy Note's size-constraints it is most likely a POP-package mounted on top of the CPU, not individual chips on the motherboard. Also, as long as the memory is powered-on they do not consume any more power when there's something in them as compared to when there is nothing in them; the chips do not know and do not care what type of content they hold, all the care about is 'on' and 'off.'
Besides, LPDDR becomes only warm, not hot. You can perfectly well put a finger on the chip and not burn yourself.
Also, you've got your reason->consequence - sequence wrong here. Something becomes warm because it consumes more power, not the way you claim that it consumes more power because it gets warm. The warmth is a byproduct of it consuming power.
As such you're again completely out-of-the-woods here.
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zkyevolved said:
Actually I care about free ram. Sometimes I press the home button to multi task to only get back to the app that I was using to find that the Note had closed it, which can be somewhat frustrating.
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Android has a habit of doing that even when there's plenty of free RAM to go.

WereCatf said:
Having multiple apps running slows the device down because they use CPU. Having multiple apps open, but not running does not affect the system.
Yes, but the difference can be measured in nanoseconds, not even milliseconds. Let's take a very much simplified thought-excercise here:
Googling around reveals us that the Galaxy Note sports 1GB LPDDR2 memory. The speed isn't nowhere to be found, but so far I haven't seen a single mobile device with LPDDR2 have anything else than 1066Mhz memory, so I assume Galaxy Note belongs in that category, too. If one was writing 32bit double-words in memory at the maximum 1066Mhz speed that would translate into rougly 4TB/s.
The CPU can write a 32bit dword, ie. 4 bytes, per clock-cycle and running at 1.4Ghz that again would translate to 5.6TB/s.
There are several other hardware factors to play around with here, but neither the CPU or the LPDDR2 clearly is the bottleneck.
Now, on the software side of things, not all memory actually needs to be zeroed because the application code overwrites what was there before anyways when loaded, leaving only the data areas to be zeroed. Naively assuming an application consumed, say, 50MB memory for its data the whole data area could be cleared in 50MB -> 0.0000476837158203125TB / 4TBps ~= 0.000011920928955078125 seconds.
In addition to the ~0.000012 seconds it takes to clear that memory the OS needs to update its own data structures, like e.g. page tables and malloc tables, to reflect the new memory allocations. This adds another 0.000001 seconds to the time we deducted, leaving us at ~0.000013 consumed.
However, do you notice something? I'll give you a few seconds to think about it.
.
.
.
.
Yes, that's right: these things happen anyways every single time you launch an application, regardless of how much free RAM there is before-hand. None of these things correlate with the amount of free memory and as such the amount of free RAM actually does have no bearing on memory allocation speed whatsoever.
It would be a different matter if there was less RAM available than the application you're trying to run requires: the system would have to kill one of the already-loaded applications to make room for the new one. That is, however, again a very fast thing to do; just erase all references to the application from kernel structures, including allocation table - references, mark the pages as free, and continue as normal. Bear in mind, though, that this would mean you have like 1MB RAM free, something that is not all that easy to accomplish with the automatic memory-management of Android!
Or to put all this into much shorter, more friendly terms: you're talking out of your ass.
Given the Galaxy Note's size-constraints it is most likely a POP-package mounted on top of the CPU, not individual chips on the motherboard. Also, as long as the memory is powered-on they do not consume any more power when there's something in them as compared to when there is nothing in them; the chips do not know and do not care what type of content they hold, all the care about is 'on' and 'off.'
Besides, LPDDR becomes only warm, not hot. You can perfectly well put a finger on the chip and not burn yourself.
Also, you've got your reason->consequence - sequence wrong here. Something becomes warm because it consumes more power, not the way you claim that it consumes more power because it gets warm. The warmth is a byproduct of it consuming power.
As such you're again completely out-of-the-woods here.
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Android has a habit of doing that even when there's plenty of free RAM to go.
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-Any program (app) that uses Random Access Memory will require support of the Central Processing Unit. Of cause it's not directly connected to the CPU circuitry and therefore has to be transferred across the data bus. But any way your battery WILL BE ****ED.
WereCatf this is my present for you
and how is Galaxy SII using Double Data Rate 3?
And Galaxy Note DDR2?

avetny said:
WereCatf this is my present for you
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and how is Galaxy SII using Double Data Rate 3?
And Galaxy Note DDR2?
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There is a difference between DDR2 and LPDDR2, the latter consumes less power. As for why no DDR3: perhaps they simply had access to large quantities of extremely cheap LPDDR2 at the time. Ask Samsung.

WereCatf said:
There is a difference between DDR2 and LPDDR2, the latter consumes less power. As for why no DDR3: perhaps they simply had access to large quantities of extremely cheap LPDDR2 at the time. Ask Samsung.
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hahahah you the best

WereCatf said:
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Android has a habit of doing that even when there's plenty of free RAM to go.
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That may or may not be true. I'm not sure, but what I can say is that I have never had that issue prior to the SGNote (at least not right away. I admit that if you leave an app in memory for a while then that can happen, but not while multitasking a 30 second task. That SHOULDN'T HAPPEN).

[Discussion] M9+ benchmarks, real life performance experiences

All HTC M9+ owners!
We're a handful yet on XDA, but getting more and more as the device is rolling out to more locations. and people who look for an elegant, high end device with premium build quality and the extra features like fingerprint scanner and 2K display and the duo camera settle with this fantastic device. It's not the perfect for everything unfortunately, not the best gaming phone out there, but in my experience a very well performing device in terms of phone call quality, reception quality, wifi power, multimedia, battery, display panel and overall UX feel, smoothness. High end games of latest year 2015 might stutter a bit here and there or lack some important shaders to compensate, but nonetheless good for last years (2014 and before 3D gaming and all kinds of 2D games), let's gather the experience and benchmarks of this unique device which was maybe the first MTK device in alubody
Let's discuss performance related experience, real user feel/experience and benchmarks free of whining, facing the truth that in some respects it's not the top-notch device, but let the curious ones who consider to buy this device, know what to expect if choosing this elegant business class phone.
I'll start with some of my benchmarks result screenshots in separate posts.
UPDATE:
Here's my short game testing video on M9+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLGCoI4NLw

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My real life experience is that in everyday chores, the phone is very snappy, with some small lags when starting new apps to the memory. Task switching is quite good.
There's unfortunately some memory leak issue with 5.0.x Android version which after a while kicks in (on most 5.0.x devices as well), but overall the UX smoothness is just quite good. Occasionally there are some apps that brings up popup windows a bit stuttery, like facebook comments animation tends to be a bit stuttery.
The Sense Home/Blink Feed experience is just perfect. At normal operations, when no big application updates are happening in the background, I never faced any lags on the Sense Home UI.
As for the games, games from and before 2014 run perfectly. New ones might get some shaders removed, or with reduced polygon counts, so don't expect a jaw dropping 3D experience. If you are ok with last years (2014 and before) 3d game quality, M9+ is quite good, but latest games will be most probably running in the dumbed down mode accordingly to the PowerVR GPU the M9+ with mtk chipset has. The phone keeps a good temperature mostly, except when charging battery and at the same time playing 3D heavy games. (But that's expected from most devices, especially with alu body)
The screen quality is quite good, i've got a perfect panel with the first unit I got, and the refresh rate is 60hz, smooth and with lovely dpi and brightness of 2K.
The benchmarks show a general good performance with operations bound to the CPU. Where the MTK chip comes shorthanded is the GPU part. All tests show 3D performance that is below 2014's flagships performance by far. The GPU PowerVR 6200 is the same that was built into iPhone5s, which let's face is a mediocre GPU for a 2K display. If you face this fact and accept that gaming won't be with the highest quality textures and shaders, probably you won't be disappointed.
I'm curious what others think...

Played with it for a few hours. First impression is that it's clearly slower then the M9. The fingerprint sensor is almost perfect, a few hit and misses. I'll be back after a few days of using it with a more adequate feedback.
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That's why I don't trust benchmarks at all: @tbalden benchmarks shows it should be on par with the M9, I got those scores on mine; but the 3D department is awful to say the least, Godfire is light years away on the M9

DeadPotato said:
That's why I don't trust benchmarks at all: @tbalden benchmarks shows it should be on par with the M9, I got those scores on mine; but the 3D department is awful to say the least, Godfire is light years away on the M9
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Yeah, tho the benchmarks 3d score on antutu is more than half less, 3d is 9k on m9+ and 21k on m9, so after all it tells you something true. The CPU of the m9+ is quite good while the gpu is rather old, from the iPhone5S era when the display resolutions were much smaller. That says it all.
So everyday chores are quite snappy on the phone and gaming is mediocre on high end games.

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Yeah, tho the benchmarks 3d score on antutu is more than half less, 3d is 9k on m9+ and 21k on m9, so after all it tells you something true. The CPU of the m9+ is quite good while the gpu is rather old, from the iPhone5S era when the display resolutions were much smaller. That says it all.
So everyday chores are quite snappy on the phone and gaming is mediocre on high end games.
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I see didn't notice that, I don't understand Mediatek though, why did they put such an outdated Graphics card on their 'flagship' processor?

DeadPotato said:
I see didn't notice that, I don't understand Mediatek though, why did they put such an outdated Graphics card on their 'flagship' processor?
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Indeed, it should have been a better one, although it's a question to explore if the SoC could or couldn't handle a higher bandwidth of system memory to gpu memory. Maybe they simply don't have a better gpu compatible or there are technical difficulties with incorporating one.
Either way the CPU itself is a promising high end one, and unfortunately we can't help with the gpu part. Maybe there will be some possibility to tweak it on kernel level. Remains to be seen, but I'm not holding breath, no wonders can be done

tbalden said:
Indeed, it should have been a better one, although it's a question to explore if the SoC could or couldn't handle a higher bandwidth of system memory to gpu memory. Maybe they simply don't have a better gpu compatible or there are technical difficulties with incorporating one.
Either way the CPU itself is a promising high end one, and unfortunately we can't help with the gpu part. Maybe there will be some possibility to tweak it on kernel level. Remains to be seen, but I'm not holding breath, no wonders can be done
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Ya I agree, sad thing CPU wise Mediatek is doing a very good job to enter the high-end tier smartphones, but looks like they need to improve a lot GPU wise for the Mediatek Helio X20 to be actually considered a valid option for flagship devices

DeadPotato said:
Ya I agree, sad thing CPU wise Mediatek is doing a very good job to enter the high-end tier smartphones, but looks like they need to improve a lot GPU wise for the Mediatek Helio X20 to be actually considered a valid option for flagship devices
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Second you.
X10 is MTK's first high-end tier SoC. They should equip with high-end graphics card to become well-known,not two-years ago one same with iPhone5s era. Although the most casual gaming is OK,but it is not covered with "flagship" devices.
It's excellent there were some possibility to tweak it on kernel level. But the Mediatek Helio X20 should work better,better & better on GPU part.
Not heavy gamer,the UX is pretty good for me. (Camera is another topic.)
Even I measured the CPU speed with Chess game,the result reached the top-tier.

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Antutu on stock Europe base 1.61
Vellano tests base 1.61
Futuremark test base 1.61
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FYI.
Mine : stock , Taiwanese base 1.08,rooted device
Sigh.... the result was maxed out for my device on Ice Storm "Extreme".

Very similar result as mine was except ice storm unlimited. I think it might be related to temperature throttling, I'll test it again later.
Yeah, second run on base 1.61

Hello guys,
I live in France and i really look forward the HTC m9+ ; i thinks it is what the M9 should have been, but i don't understand HTC 2015 sh*tty choices of everything.
WHat i would like to know is about battery life ; Can you guys tell me whats about it ?
I just bought galaxy s6 edge a few days ago and it's creepy. I have no battery in the end of afternoon. I don't play games, just few photos and browsing, and messenger sometimes. And anyways i miss boomsound and metal body.
I'm so desapointed. Should never have sold my old one m8 or xperia Z3.
My only hope is turned on lenovo vibe x3 but there is no news since march ...
Thanks guys !

After installing more and more software that is synchronized, like dropbox and a few other my battery life got lower a notch, from 23+ hours to 22+ and average screen on around 4 hrs. All in all, not a miracle, but that's what I usually got with my previous phone, OPO with its larger battery and lower screen resolution. A bit less though, admittedly. So it gets me through the day nicely, but I'm not gaming.
It's average I think. Compared to the amazing Sony z3 compact it's pathetic, my friend's z3c gets 3+ days and 5 hours of screen on time. And I think it's done with some great stock kernel enchanted by Sony engineers and Sony stock rom... wish other phones could do that

Not sure why, I could not choose no lock screen and lock screen without security mode under security settings. Both options are greyed out and it says it is disabled by administrator,encryption policies or other apps.
I only have prey and lockout security installed which could affect this but this was totally fine on my M7 device.
Anyone has any idea? Thank you.

They really should've went with the 801, YES THE 801, for this phone.
On the same resolution the adreno 330 has better performance AND the price wouldn't change, really shameful on HTC for picking a MTK SoC (**** or crap).
I am very disappointed.

JellyKitkatLoli said:
They really should've went with the 801, YES THE 801, for this phone.
On the same resolution the adreno 330 has better performance AND the price wouldn't change, really shameful on HTC for picking a MTK SoC (**** or crap).
I am very disappointed.
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1.61 base,stock,rooted
lower the resolution to 1080P,just for fun.
GPU do tie down the result,right?

yvtc75 said:
1.61 base,stock,rooted
lower the resolution to 1080P,just for fun.
GPU do tie down the result,right?
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Yes, and it's fairly accurate.
I got 11871 with 2K, I couldn't screenshot as it doesn't know how to (Doesn't work above 1080p without dedicated software for it).
M8 1080p.
Also now that I look at it, your cpu integer is out of proportion due to all the cores the MTK SoC has lol, too bad that has no real life use, and as you can see single core performance is much better on the 801 :/.

JellyKitkatLoli said:
Also now that I look at it, your cpu integer is out of proportion due to all the cores the MTK SoC has lol, too bad that has no real life use, and as you can see single core performance is much better on the 801 :/.
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hmmm......
The efficiency of SW decode will be performed vividly by multi-cores in your real life.
There were much comparison between MT6795(not "T") and SD801 in this site.
About the browser speed, RAR compression ,real gaming, power consumption........
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3825199511?see_lz=1#69839534914l

yvtc75 said:
1.61 base,stock,rooted
lower the resolution to 1080P,just for fun.
GPU do tie down the result,right?
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Are those results after reducing resolution to 1080p, did I read correctly? Because if that's the case, it's sad to confirm the limits of the 3D graphic card as other stated before, if you see the above M8 (which I find surprisingly higher than I experienced on my own M8 anyway) you'll notice even the last year's M8 has a better 3D score, and not to mention the regular M9 which produces almost double of that score. Multicore wise the Helio X10 is a beast, but graphics wise, looks like it's not so much

Xperia SP vs Xperia TX

I've been a xperia SP owner for 8 months now and it is completly stock and it is my daily driver, and as my secondary i have the TX which ive had for 2 months, but im going to be buying either a brand new SP or brand new TX (mainly because of cosmetic damage but anyway) i want you guys to help me decide,, whether its opinion or personal experience, any help is appreciated, thanks guys :highfive:

I think that our SP just #$#!>'s it off
SP GPU : Adreno 320
TX GPU : Adreno 225
TX Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait
SP Dual-core 1.7GHz [ 2 GHz with Helium Kernel]
TX Front 1(.3) and Back (13) camera are better than SP (front vga back 8).
DONT forget the led bar on SP
i think that, our SP Development forum on XDA waay better than the TX's.
Your choice...

Iekuta said:
I think that our SP just #$#!>'s it off
SP GPU : Adreno 320
TX GPU : Adreno 225
TX Dual-core 1.5 GHz Krait
SP Dual-core 1.7GHz [ 2 GHz with Helium Kernel]
TX Front 1(.3) and Back (13) camera are better than SP (front vga back 8).
DONT forget the led bar on SP
i think that, our SP Development forum on XDA waay better than the TX's.
Your choice...
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Thankyou for your reply :good: i didnt take into account the SP development compared to the TX, the only thing that concerns me is the SP's ram managment, can it be improved? I personally didnt notice it too much?

GFlexForever said:
Thankyou for your reply :good: i didnt take into account the SP development compared to the TX, the only thing that concerns me is the SP's ram managment, can it be improved? I personally didnt notice it too much?
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So, i think you can get over the ram problem by SWAP. I really think that the ram problem is soooo confusing. I faced that with 4.3 stock rom < like 20mb free ram with only walkman running lol >
Now im using CM13 with Helium kernel.
I created a swap partition about 900mb(maybe it's way too high but my sd is 32 gb so not a problem )
you can create 400-500 mb swap partition and use it. Im using Swapper2 app and set the swappiness 100, phone runs really smooth.
And i reached maximum 400-410 mb used swap memory, so i think that +512 mb is enough.
Thank you

Iekuta said:
So, i think you can get over the ram problem by SWAP. I really think that the ram problem is soooo confusing. I faced that with 4.3 stock rom < like 20mb free ram with only walkman running lol >
Now im using CM13 with Helium kernel.
I created a swap partition about 900mb(maybe it's way too high but my sd is 32 gb so not a problem )
you can create 400-500 mb swap partition and use it. Im using Swapper2 app and set the swappiness 100, phone runs really smooth.
And i reached maximum 400-410 mb used swap memory, so i think that +512 mb is enough.
Thank you
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Wow thats awesome :highfive: so how do you find mulitasking like listening to music while browsing for example?

GFlexForever said:
Wow thats awesome :highfive: so how do you find mulitasking like listening to music while browsing for example?
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Im just laughing at your example i forget those things like music shut downs on browsing lol lol lol
I just say that, maybe running 6+ apps at the same time (Whatsapp+Facebook+UC Browser/Opera+Music+Xda Labs(using it right now)) and may even much more apps at the same time with no problem.
I clear the "Recents" panel rarely and reboot my phone after 2-3+ days of use
I think you should give a chance and upgrade to Cm13 and use Swap. Just try it.
EDIT: Check the screens, i captured them just now As you see, the Total Swap is 1103mb and the free is 803 Mb, phone using like 300mb swap and runs just smooth
I think that the CM13 has gave this phone life :victory:

Never buy xperia sp
Very laggy phone no matter what you do. Even with 6gb ram this phone would still be laggy, why?
Because of slow internal memory.
Slower phones like xperia tx, galaxy s4mini are much faster with less lag.
Xperia sp freezes a lot and stops reaponding because of bad performance internal storage
Edit: all sony phones have bad ram management.
My xperia z1 has like 370-500 at best free ram

Iekuta said:
Im just laughing at your example i forget those things like music shut downs on browsing lol lol lol
I just say that, maybe running 6+ apps at the same time (Whatsapp+Facebook+UC Browser/Opera+Music+Xda Labs(using it right now)) and may even much more apps at the same time with no problem.
I clear the "Recents" panel rarely and reboot my phone after 2-3+ days of use
I think you should give a chance and upgrade to Cm13 and use Swap. Just try it.
EDIT: Check the screens, i captured them just now As you see, the Total Swap is 1103mb and the free is 803 Mb, phone using like 300mb swap and runs just smooth
I think that the CM13 has gave this phone life :victory:
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Hahaha,, something so simple yet force crashes :laugh:
And thats incredible i was hoping multitasking would be alot better and ive been looking at stryflex's marshmallow rom, have you had any experience with that or should i just go for CM13 if i get the SP?
And i'm really glad to here it runs so smooth :highfive:

Gamer4Life said:
Never buy xperia sp
Very laggy phone no matter what you do. Even with 6gb ram this phone would still be laggy, why?
Because of slow internal memory.
Slower phones like xperia tx, galaxy s4mini are much faster with less lag.
Xperia sp freezes a lot and stops reaponding because of bad performance internal storage
Edit: all sony phones have bad ram management.
My xperia z1 has like 370-500 at best free ram
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Is this from experience or are you just a SP hater?
And i am also considering the TX (mainly for the removable battery and seemingly better ram management) but from the above post ram management can be improved with abit of tweaking and running a custom rom, i actually owned a z1 for several months and never noticed that kind of ram management, sounds like a app or download was hogging your ram :silly:

GFlexForever said:
Hahaha,, something so simple yet force crashes :laugh:
And thats incredible i was hoping multitasking would be alot better and ive been looking at stryflex's marshmallow rom, have you had any experience with that or should i just go for CM13 if i get the SP?
And i'm really glad to here it runs so smooth :highfive:
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I cannot install the Stryflex' s Marshmallow ROM, it gives SystemUI error at boot (but 2-3 people has faced this problem with me, rom is errorless i think thats a problem of my phone
I will wait the Stryflex rom update because of my error and, im waiting for the Xperia X lockscreen and new stuff you understand
Stryflex based on May builds of AOSP, but CM13 nightly updated, your choice
I think Stryflex's roms are good and smooth enough to experience xperia Z5 or X, but i will absolutely wait for the update:silly:

GFlexForever said:
Is this from experience or are you just a SP hater?
And i am also considering the TX (mainly for the removable battery and seemingly better ram management) but from the above post ram management can be improved with abit of tweaking and running a custom rom, i actually owned a z1 for several months and never noticed that kind of ram management, sounds like a app or download was hogging your ram :silly:
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User xperienece
I owned sp for 8 months from 2014 to 2015
I tried all available roms. Some are fast at the beginning like cm11 but the will all slow down eventually.
My z1 never slows down even with 200mb free ram and all the crapware and bloat installed.
Its not about ram my friend, its about memory performance, its most important. Do you wonder why sp was cheap phone with fast cpu and gpu?
They had to compromise(i hope this is the right word, i am not english speaker) on other parts and used cheaper hardware
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Do storage benchmark and see how low your score if u have sp in hands
Even gs2 performs faster and never slowed down like sp

Gamer4Life said:
Never buy xperia sp
Very laggy phone no matter what you do. Even with 6gb ram this phone would still be laggy, why?
Because of slow internal memory.
Slower phones like xperia tx, galaxy s4mini are much faster with less lag.
Xperia sp freezes a lot and stops reaponding because of bad performance internal storage
Edit: all sony phones have bad ram management.
My xperia z1 has like 370-500 at best free ram
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I think that our SP never get slower on this rom updates. I think it gives the same performance all the time.
Example CM13,CM13 is way faster than 12.1 and i think our SP enough fast on 6.0.1 you understand?
If you want really fast and 6.0.1 running phone you should go buy new phone i think. Because it's been like 4 years bro, give this phone a chance

Gamer4Life said:
User xperienece
I owned sp for 8 months from 2014 to 2015
I tried all available roms. Some are fast at the beginning like cm11 but the will all slow down eventually.
My z1 never slows down even with 200mb free ram and all the crapware and bloat installed.
Its not about ram my friend, its about memory performance, its most important. Do you wonder why sp was cheap phone with fast cpu and gpu?
They had to compromise(i hope this is the right word, i am not english speaker) on other parts and used cheaper hardware
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Do storage benchmark and see how low your score if u have sp in hands
Even gs2 performs faster and never slowed down like sp
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i get your point but try to understand it's an 2013 phone running 6.0.1 smoothly enough to daily use and gaming. And im saying again that the CM13 is way better than other roms like CM12.1 and Stock 4.3.
AND you mean GS2 right lol
it gives maximum 20000 antutu score.
SP Gives 40000 score maybe even better
just check the attachments please.

Gamer4Life said:
User xperienece
I owned sp for 8 months from 2014 to 2015
I tried all available roms. Some are fast at the beginning like cm11 but the will all slow down eventually.
My z1 never slows down even with 200mb free ram and all the crapware and bloat installed.
Its not about ram my friend, its about memory performance, its most important. Do you wonder why sp was cheap phone with fast cpu and gpu?
They had to compromise(i hope this is the right word, i am not english speaker) on other parts and used cheaper hardware
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Do storage benchmark and see how low your score if u have sp in hands
Even gs2 performs faster and never slowed down like sp
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Go and check the hardware internals my friend i think you'll find it had some of the best hardware from 2013 the only thing i can fault the hardware on is the front facing camera and yes im aware that memory performance is a factor thats why developers utilise it the best they can when making roms :good:

@GFlexForever
If you still need advice, I'd say: get the SP. It's one of the few (if not the only) 2013 midrangers that still kicks asses today. Especially the GPU: modern midrangers lag in games (while the SP is perfect) due to Adreno 30x GPUs and (Full)HD displays.
The downside of the SP is the internal memory, that isn't very fast; this is noticeable when you install and app from the Play Store: the phone lags during the installation. 1 GB of RAM is not a downside, for if in 2016 you buy any device with less than 1.5 GB of RAM you surely aren't an "aggressive" user. What's more, with ZRAM and/or swap you can circumvent this problem.
Trimming the /data and /cache partitions once in a while is also a good habit to keep the memory clean and fast, this is not needed on stock ROMs as those trim the memory all the time.

Iekuta said:
i get your point but try to understand it's an 2013 phone running 6.0.1 smoothly enough to daily use and gaming. And im saying again that the CM13 is way better than other roms like CM12.1 and Stock 4.3.
AND you mean GS2 right lol
it gives maximum 20000 antutu score.
SP Gives 40000 score maybe even better
just check the attachments please.
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And just to add to this, although the device is from 2013 and hardware has been improved it doesnt mean that this hardware has anything wrong with it, it was the best of its time.
For example phone screens have went from 720p to 1080p to qhd and they improve but that doesnt mean the 720p screen is at fault.
Another example is that the adreno chip in phones improve drastically and they improve, doesnt mean theres a fault with the older ones

Tomoms said:
@GFlexForever
If you still need advice, I'd say: get the SP. It's one of the few (if not the only) 2013 midrangers that still kicks asses today. Especially the GPU: modern midrangers lag in games (while the SP is perfect) due to Adreno 30x GPUs and (Full)HD displays.
The downside of the SP is the internal memory, that isn't very fast; this is noticeable when you install and app from the Play Store: the phone lags during the installation. 1 GB of RAM is not a downside, for if in 2016 you buy any device with less than 1.5 GB of RAM you surely aren't an "aggressive" user. What's more, with ZRAM and/or swap you can circumvent this problem.
Trimming the /data and /cache partitions once in a while is also a good habit to keep the memory clean and fast, this is not needed on stock ROMs as those trim the memory all the time.
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Thankyou for the advice i think i am going to go with the SP and just try different roms and as you said use ZRAM or another app and see what the best fit for me and i also have a Z2 which is my main device but i want to keep that more as a business phone if that makes sense, when i get my SP it will be more for out door use like when i go out listening to music or browsing and playing games :highfive:

Big thankyou to Lekuta & tomoms for helping me decide and proving some helpful information :highfive: :good: thanks guys

Tomoms said:
@GFlexForever
If you still need advice, I'd say: get the SP. It's one of the few (if not the only) 2013 midrangers that still kicks asses today. Especially the GPU: modern midrangers lag in games (while the SP is perfect) due to Adreno 30x GPUs and (Full)HD displays.
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Best answer,
%100 agree with you !

You will regret it
Benchmarks And numbers mean nothing.
Its true has solid hardware cpu gpu combination. But real life performance is what matters.
Its true sp can run games smoothly but. Using it how its supposed to be used is pain. Lag stutter freeze...
I was thinking just like you when i first bought it
Anyway its your call, but remember my words
Idk about cm13. when i had it, cm12 was not usable...
And beleive me, i tried every solution mentioned here, from almost bloat free roms with just must have phone apps like calendar alarm... and just playstore. To zram swap custum kernels... Overclock
Its very fast as soon as u install your rom with 500+ free ram... But its the case even with a galaxy y.
The phone would slow down eventualy and only uninstalling all your apps would make it fast again
Heck i remember every time i turned on wifi or data the phone would freeze for like 40 seconds. Why? It couldnt handle the incoming notifications lmao.
Mean while slower sd400 devices performs 10 times faster

What to test? Galaxy S20+ Exynos vs Snapdragon

Hellu guys!
I own an exynos S20+, tomorrow I will receive the snapdragon version and for a few days I will have them both. At the end of the week I'll returning one of them.
If you're trying to decide which version suits you best and you are still undecided, please tell me and I will test for you.

mishufac said:
Hellu guys!
At the end of the week I'll returning one of them..
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Can tell you right now you'll be keeping the snapdragon

jasons1004 said:
Can tell you right now you'll be keeping the snapdragon
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This what I think also. I'm pretty disappointed by the exynos since I got S10e last year

Could you check if there are any differences in network connectivity? Wifi should be the same, but im afraid the LTE module differs and maybe SMS isnt working properly.
I only had the comparison back with the S8 and the SD version couldnt even get a 4G signal (had a smaller german carrier, but the bigger ones struggled aswell)

K4Y3R said:
Could you check if there are any differences in network connectivity? Wifi should be the same, but im afraid the LTE module differs and maybe SMS isnt working properly.
I only had the comparison back with the S8 and the SD version couldnt even get a 4G signal (had a smaller german carrier, but the bigger ones struggled aswell)
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Not sure what you mean but I can check something if needed. I don't have any sms issues.

Could you make a quick camera comparison between those two models? 12MP 4:3 photos outdoor, low light, 4k 30 video, autofocus and selfie camera at least. I'm curious how image processing works on both and if there is big difference or not. Thanks

K4Y3R said:
Could you check if there are any differences in network connectivity? Wifi should be the same, but im afraid the LTE module differs and maybe SMS isnt working properly.
I only had the comparison back with the S8 and the SD version couldnt even get a 4G signal (had a smaller german carrier, but the bigger ones struggled aswell)
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I just received it today. I live in an area with great 4G+ coverage and I didn`t noticed anything changed between SD vs exynos. I made calls, sms, 4G+ mobile data without problems.
Andrino said:
Could you make a quick camera comparison between those two models? 12MP 4:3 photos outdoor, low light, 4k 30 video, autofocus and selfie camera at least. I'm curious how image processing works on both and if there is big difference or not. Thanks
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I will do it, probably tomorrow.

mishufac said:
Hellu guys!
I own an exynos S20+, tomorrow I will receive the snapdragon version and for a few days I will have them both. At the end of the week I'll returning one of them.
If you're trying to decide which version suits you best and you are still undecided, please tell me and I will test for you.
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First, update both handsets with the latest FW versions. Post setting them up with same apps and settings,
- Get an idea about each device's batterylife using only (a) Wi-Fi (b) Mobile data in similar usage pattern.
- Play some games and see which one does better. Check for the amount of heat each one generates as well.
- Click pictures of any subject(s) near and far in different lighting conditions and see which one does better.
- On day to day usage, see which one overall feels faster at everything.
etc..
It's clear that the SD is the better one with all those tests floating around the WEB, especially considering the lab tests, but you having a first hand experience can share as well:good:

did you buy the US snapdragon version or unlocked bootloader?

Virgo_Guy said:
First, update both handsets with the latest FW versions. Post setting them up with same apps and settings,
- Get an idea about each device's batterylife using only (a) Wi-Fi (b) Mobile data in similar usage pattern.
- Play some games and see which one does better. Check for the amount of heat each one generates as well.
- Click pictures of any subject(s) near and far in different lighting conditions and see which one does better.
- On day to day usage, see which one overall feels faster at everything.
etc..
It's clear that the SD is the better one with all those tests floating around the WEB, especially considering the lab tests, but you having a first hand experience can share as well:good:
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I updated both on ATCH firmware and wiped the system data.
On WiFi I see mainly the same consumption (3-5 % in favor of the SD version) but on mobile data the exynos consumes more the difference goes to 10%.
Side by side, the SD opens games a bit faster, but it's not a huge difference.
On day to day usage both feel very snappy, but the main big difference it's about the heat that the exynos it generates. With both side by side, I opened the same apps and after 20 minutes the exynos CPU had 56C and the SD 36C degrees.
The battery temperature was 39C on the exynos and 34C on the SD.
I took a lot of pictures and videos with all the cameras in all the conditions: I couldn't decide the winner here. Some are better on the exynos, and some on the SD, I feel that on the SD they are sharper, but the exynos reproducts colours more correct.
Games are smoother on the SD, especially after 15-20 mins of playing. Exynos it's geting hot and I believe that thermal throttle makes them a lot worse.
Because of the heat that it generates and the better battery life, I'll be sticking with the SD version.

masri1987 said:
did you buy the US snapdragon version or unlocked bootloader?
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I received the Korean version G986N. I don't how to check the bootloader status. In developer settings I have the option "OEM Unlock"

mishufac said:
I updated both on ATCH firmware and wiped the system data.
On WiFi I see mainly the same consumption (3-5 % in favor of the SD version) but on mobile data the exynos consumes more the difference goes to 10%.
Side by side, the SD opens games a bit faster, but it's not a huge difference.
On day to day usage both feel very snappy, but the main big difference it's about the heat that the exynos it generates. With both side by side, I opened the same apps and after 20 minutes the exynos CPU had 56C and the SD 36C degrees.
The battery temperature was 39C on the exynos and 34C on the SD.
I took a lot of pictures and videos with all the cameras in all the conditions: I couldn't decide the winner here. Some are better on the exynos, and some on the SD, I feel that on the SD they are sharper, but the exynos reproducts colours more correct.
Games are smoother on the SD, especially after 15-20 mins of playing. Exynos it's geting hot and I believe that thermal throttle makes them a lot worse.
Because of the heat that it generates and the better battery life, I'll be sticking with the SD version.
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These are exactly the problems with the Exynos.The SoC used and its resulting impacts on the device in every aspect makes it almost feel like a different device altogether in the same shell.

So OP what's your conclusion?
Are the u tubers right that condemn exynos in every aspect or is it an exaggeration?
I believe you are fair without anti exynos placebo effect.
I am waiting for your conclusion.
Battery, signal, temperature?

mishufac said:
On day to day usage both feel very snappy, but the main big difference it's about the heat that the exynos it generates. With both side by side, I opened the same apps and after 20 minutes the exynos CPU had 56C and the SD 36C degrees. The battery temperature was 39C on the exynos and 34C on the SD.
Games are smoother on the SD, especially after 15-20 mins of playing. Exynos it's geting hot and I believe that thermal throttle makes them a lot worse.
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56C vs 36C CPU temp is a *huge* difference (56% increase) and will result in significant thermal throttling, as you pointed out. Forget about playing CPU-intensive games.
The battery temp difference is significant as well. Exynos battery temp is 19% higher than Snapdragon, which will definitely decrease battery longevity. Essentially, Exynos will lose ~19% battery capacity over the same period compared to SD.
Both are reasons to avoid Exynos if you have the option. Samsung makes a lot of great products, but mobile SoC is not one of them.
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NIKOSXRI said:
So OP what's your conclusion?
Are the u tubers right that condemn exynos in every aspect or is it an exaggeration?
I believe you are fair without anti exynos placebo effect.
I am waiting for your conclusion.
Battery, signal, temperature?
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I think the conclusion is pretty obvious: Avoid Exynos if possible.

NIKOSXRI said:
So OP what's your conclusion?
Are the u tubers right that condemn exynos in every aspect or is it an exaggeration?
I believe you are fair without anti exynos placebo effect.
I am waiting for your conclusion.
Battery, signal, temperature?
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I think they exagerate about the camera comparasion.
When they are both cold, they perform similar, but just after 20-30min of opening apps and watching videos (nothing stressful) the exynos gets significantly hotter in hand and after that you feel the difference in speed.
On similar conditions, I got 7hrs screen on time on exynos and 8hrs on SD. Note that the SD I got has 12GB of ram vs 8GB of the exynos.
After 15 mins of playing real racing 3, the CPU of the exynos had 58C and the SD 37C.
I live in an area with great LTE+ coverage, I have full bars on both.
When I preordered S20+ Exynos, I really hoped that Samsung resolved the issues from the s10 series, but the gap it's still there and for the same amount of money, with SD you get a better device, that's colder

Animation in developer options
Please can someone confirm interesting thing bellow?
- On Exynos in developer option animations are by default off.
- On Snapdragon version in developer option animations are by default set to 1.
I already found this on Samsung Galaxy S10 exynos vs. snapdragon. series. If you have the exynos version it seems to be same as smooth as Snapdragon, but if you turn of animation on SD you will deffinitelly get smoother enviroment cause there is not possible to switch it off on Exynos variant. Only possibility that it is switched off on Exynos I am thinkong about is that this settings are transfered also when you get from one to another device.
Please chek it and let me know.

menhir said:
Please can someone confirm interesting thing bellow?
- On Exynos in developer option animations are by default off.
- On Snapdragon version in developer option animations are by default set to 1.
I already found this on Samsung Galaxy S10 exynos vs. snapdragon. series. If you have the exynos version it seems to be same as smooth as Snapdragon, but if you turn of animation on SD you will deffinitelly get smoother enviroment cause there is not possible to switch it off on Exynos variant. Only possibility that it is switched off on Exynos I am thinkong about is that this settings are transfered also when you get from one to another device.
Please chek it and let me know.
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I'm not sure that's right .... at least here on my Exynos device.... [emoji848]
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menhir said:
On Exynos in developer option animations are by default off.
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It is not true. Default settings are x1.

mishufac said:
I think they exagerate about the camera comparasion.
When they are both cold, they perform similar, but just after 20-30min of opening apps and watching videos (nothing stressful) the exynos gets significantly hotter in hand and after that you feel the difference in speed.
On similar conditions, I got 7hrs screen on time on exynos and 8hrs on SD. Note that the SD I got has 12GB of ram vs 8GB of the exynos.
After 15 mins of playing real racing 3, the CPU of the exynos had 58C and the SD 37C.
I live in an area with great LTE+ coverage, I have full bars on both.
When I preordered S20+ Exynos, I really hoped that Samsung resolved the issues from the s10 series, but the gap it's still there and for the same amount of money, with SD you get a better device, that's colder
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Where did you buy the snapdragon version? Im thinking of doing the same in the UK

arokub said:
It is not true. Default settings are x1.
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OK, Thanks. So it must be copied during data and settings transfer from one samsung to another. Good to know!