I'd like to start this thread as a dedicated place for your camera samples rather than the Z2 vs G3 thread.
The only reason I'm thinking about moving from the M8 to the G3 is for the camera. So let's see em guys! Low light, landscape, HDR, macro.. Post em here.
Go!
I was thinking about doing this too, since most of the world has the G3 now. Hopefully we get some good shots in here. Coming from a GS4, I'll be happy if picture quality is atleast equivalent.
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I was thinking about doing this too, since most of the world has the G3 now. Hopefully we get some good shots in here. Coming from a GS4, I'll be happy if picture quality is atleast equivalent.
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In highlight, gs4 is better (a lot)
low light, very unstable situation, hand held, my hand shakes a lot
https://db.tt/AaIg6lLi
Canard caché said:
In highlight, gs4 is better (a lot)
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Where did you see this?
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Where did you see this?
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Cam sample of g3 + test of g3 + pics of g3 user VS my photos... no hard too see the différence
here is a full set of photos done in two days with the LG G3. The gallery at the bottom is fully downloadable at full resolution
http://goo.gl/fuL6VE
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here is a full set of photos done in two days with the LG G3. The gallery at the bottom is fully downloadable at full resolution
http://goo.gl/fuL6VE
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... disappointing
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... disappointing
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i think it is very good :-/
Canard caché said:
... disappointing
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I get the feeling you're sort of a troll.
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I get the feeling you're sort of a troll.
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Not at all. But camera is one of the most important aspects for me
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To be fair, I don't think he is trolling. I'm not hugely impressed judging by that gallery and I'm the one who started this thread. I also have a G3 being delivered to me this week so I'm no troll either.
I think my M8 is great, but I wish the camera had more detail hence my interest in the G3. There is no way i'm going to spend my money with Samsung so this is another option.
this sample taken from the gallery posted shows that oil painting effect and not really good detail. I can't see it being a big enough step up from the M8 so far. I'd like to see others people shots though.
http://media.glistockisti.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140628_195500_HDR.jpg
The jury is out!
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Not at all. But camera is one of the most important aspects for me
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It is for me too, which is why I'm going to be pretty pissed if I've been waiting all this time for the G3, and the camera is subpar... :/
This oil aspect = less noise yeah but also blurry texture/details = not so good
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this sample taken from the gallery posted shows that oil painting effect and not really good detail. I can't see it being a big enough step up from the M8 so far. I'd like to see others people shots though.
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LOL? This picture is infinitely better than anything coming from the M7/M8, detail wise. The camera on the M8 is the only reason not to buy that particular phone. It is abysmal.
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This oil aspect = less noise yeah but also blurry texture/details = not so good
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Buy a Nokia 3310: incredible battery life.
Carry around a DSLR all day: incredible photo's.
All problems solved.
The pictures will improve. The sensor is fine. Relax people, software updates will help.
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Quick macro shot not the best light, results are very good.
Note that that's an HDR shot, so it did some photo merging. I would expect some weirdness and loss of detail for those.
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To be fair, I don't think he is trolling. I'm not hugely impressed judging by that gallery and I'm the one who started this thread. I also have a G3 being delivered to me this week so I'm no troll either.
I think my M8 is great, but I wish the camera had more detail hence my interest in the G3. There is no way i'm going to spend my money with Samsung so this is another option.
this sample taken from the gallery posted shows that oil painting effect and not really good detail. I can't see it being a big enough step up from the M8 so far. I'd like to see others people shots though.
http://media.glistockisti.it/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20140628_195500_HDR.jpg
The jury is out!
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Some of mine LG G3:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWLWVfLXhKNF8ydkU/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWOERidWpqZFN1OUk/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWOEpWckJsWkF2Tnc/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWTXI0Z3BiVkhXelU/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWUW9PcXI1M2h5cVE/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWWkN2ZGhOanZDWTQ/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWWnQ4WVBjZUk4VW8/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxiBqbezv8AWbHFFQnE5d3lGU3c/edit?usp=sharing
I think the Best Camera is still the S5 or iPhone.
LG never really got the software right I think.
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Hi guys, new to the Aria forums. Just wanted to say how impressed I am with this little device. I have an HTC EVO and just received an ARIA as my work phone and I am really loving it. I catch myself using it more than the EVO for a lot. It's definitely a snappy android device!
Craziest thing I noticed right off the bat is how nice shots are on the Aria. The Evo has a pretty lousy camera IMO but when I compared it to the Aria I was really shocked.
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Same thing applies for video clips. The Aria wins. Definitely a cool device! It's nice to see a good little smartphone that's not getting as large as the recent devices out.
it seems like the Evo's pic has wrong focus (the bottle is out of focus) and it's a little overexposed.
Anyway, I have only the Aria, it's good to know how it's compared to others. Thanks.
You are right. But I've had the evo since launch, took a lot of pics. Aria still nicer imo. I should snag a more focused shot. Thanks.
It is definitely tough to grab a good focused shot on the EVO.
ARIA:
EVO:
awesome comparison looks like they focused too much on EVO's "speedy" hardware and not enough on the camera quality. i know majority of smartphone buyers want 3 things...1. resononable battery life, 2. easy mass texting 3. and camera quality good enough to replace a digital camera.
I should post two videos in comparison as well. The EVO owners all agree, our "720p camcorders" are lousy.
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I should post two videos in comparison as well. The EVO owners all agree, our "720p camcorders" are lousy.
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please do man. i would love to see the comparison and what the hype is about having 720p capabilities. so far as youtube videos go...recording with the standard video recording Aria is fine.
I love HTC and Android devices, and the EVO is a slick device but it is really lacking in a few key areas. Anyway I am away from my PC now so I won't be able to load any vids up. I should do some outdoor stuff because the low light vids I have I would say are borderline unwatchable.
seems to me the weakpoint of the arias video capabilites come not from the actual video, but from the audio capturing.
I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
cinnamon327 said:
I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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unfortunately , i agree with you cinnamon - i have a very difficult time even getting semi-quality out of this camera
Those pictures of the Rolling Rock are some of the best i have seen from an Aria.
The aria has a lot of potential. Despite it's processor. It's a snappy little device
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Nutshell69 said:
unfortunately , i agree with you cinnamon - i have a very difficult time even getting semi-quality out of this camera
Those pictures of the Rolling Rock are some of the best i have seen from an Aria.
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my Aria takes reasonable quality pictures, esp. outdoors.
i once had blurry/foggy pictures turned out that the lens was dusty.
cinnamon327 said:
I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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I recommend Camera 360 Pro - hands down AWESOME for taking photos! You can apply effects that'll make it look like you own a DSLR. And you HAVE to have a very steady hand - there is virtually no image stabilization for these devices despite what options you may see - the "software" image stabilization plain sucks. I usually find something to rest the phone on if at all possible for the best shots.
Here ya go.....
Once i let my camera gather enough dust to yield this picture
I dominated your screen; thats right.
After taking a few pictures with my Aria I was amazed at how crisp my pictures were.
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I recommend Camera 360 Pro - hands down AWESOME for taking photos! You can apply effects that'll make it look like you own a DSLR. And you HAVE to have a very steady hand - there is virtually no image stabilization for these devices despite what options you may see - the "software" image stabilization plain sucks. I usually find something to rest the phone on if at all possible for the best shots.
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Agree - i like Camera 360 Pro +1
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I'm pretty satisfied with the quality of the onboard camera. I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
holy !!! u kidding me?
u used the tilt shift effect on that camera pro thing rite...
amazingg quality!!!
i have yet to play around with mine!
wow amazing photos there!!
Which app did you use to get the tilt-shift look?
don't sell your DSLR...unless you use Nikon and you want to sell me something cheap
I did the tilt shift in Photoshop because no app really gives me the control I want.
Vignette does a decent job for a generic tilt shift focus and Photoshop Express can modify the colors moderately well to finish it off.
I still prefer doing it manually.
woot Seattle!
were you visiting?
nearblack said:
woot Seattle!
were you visiting?
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Heading back to SF in a couple weeks.
Haha those pictures are sweet! Glad you got to go to a game though - I haven't been to Qwest this season yet. I should probably fix that when the pre-season ends.
Can't wait to show these to customers. I love selling this phone.
sj_martin said:
I'm pretty satisfied with the quality of the onboard camera. I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
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If you are comparing this camera with a DSLR, you are using your DSLR wrong. I think the camera is decent for a camera phone, but this thing doesnt come close to my Canon T2i.
Shane_pcs said:
If you are comparing this camera with a DSLR, you are using your DSLR wrong. I think the camera is decent for a camera phone, but this thing doesnt come close to my Canon T2i.
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There is no wrong or right way to use a DSLR. Can you fit a 10 lbs setup in your pocket? No?
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The best camera is the one you have with you.
Those are nice shots, how much post in photoshop did you do?
speoples20 said:
The best camera is the one you have with you.
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Amen!
speoples20 said:
Those are nice shots, how much post in photoshop did you do?
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100% of all my pictures go through levels > selective colors > crop > sharpening.
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I'm pretty satisfied with the quality of the onboard camera. I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
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The camera on this phone is great and I really like my phone. But replacing a DSLR with a 5 mpx with a cmos sensor like 10 times smaller is not something I would recommend. But hey, it's your camera right If quality is not your primary concern then why not? As far as quality is concerned, I don't think ill see the sensor in a phone get up to a APSC size anytime soon. Don't misunderstand me, im in no way undermining your decision to do so. Just laying it out straight. I have the Pentax K-x DSLR and the difference in detail is literally night and day. Btw, I love your post processing dude. Great job. Tiltshift is awesome.
it looks almost like you took pictures of miniature sets. Looks great!
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I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
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Your joking right? This is a great little cam for a cell phone, but not even close to dslr quality.
Cool pics btw... Good subjects for the tilt/shift effect.
sj_martin said:
There is no wrong or right way to use a DSLR. Can you fit a 10 lbs setup in your pocket? No?
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There is when you have a 2yr old and a 5 yr old. My sammy takes fine pictures of stuff to sell on craiglist, but no matter how you configure it, my kids look like flash gordon.
jeremiah_mn said:
Your joking right? This is a great little cam for a cell phone, but not even close to dslr quality.
Cool pics btw... Good subjects for the tilt/shift effect.
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Never said the quality of my phone is close to my DSLR.
Thanks
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There is when you have a 2yr old and a 5 yr old. My sammy takes fine pictures of stuff to sell on craiglist, but no matter how you configure it, my kids look like flash gordon.
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Care to post some examples?
boodies said:
The camera on this phone is great and I really like my phone. But replacing a DSLR with a 5 mpx with a cmos sensor like 10 times smaller is not something I would recommend. But hey, it's your camera right If quality is not your primary concern then why not? As far as quality is concerned, I don't think ill see the sensor in a phone get up to a APSC size anytime soon. Don't misunderstand me, im in no way undermining your decision to do so. Just laying it out straight. I have the Pentax K-x DSLR and the difference in detail is literally night and day. Btw, I love your post processing dude. Great job. Tiltshift is awesome.
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Compactness and portability is more important to me now then quality. I have a few L series lenses that I've already sold off. I don't want lug my 20lb setup with me everywhere I go anymore. Something that fits in my pocket is much more desirable (and cheaper).
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/93c9ada2ad4d20f983f3269bdb10c7c9.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/96d317dc32e75853bb8d9418736807de.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/15c6e2c354905a9300da277dc6326ec5.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/fa4fb57af7c61c23e5831db6ac39f6b7.jpg
What do you think?
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http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/93c9a...9bdb10c7c9.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/96d31...18736807de.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/fa4fb57af7c61c23e5831db6ac39f6b7.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/15c6e...7dc6326ec5.jpg
What do you think?
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I think your links don't work.
Yes... File not Found is all I get too.
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Yes... File not Found is all I get too.
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Link update
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Link update
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No... Still showing file not found.
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No... Still showing file not found.
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Link 1° post work!!!
faby71 said:
Link 1° post work!!!
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Where did you bought it?
Wow, very nice!
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Where did you bought it?
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swiss
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swiss
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Ah, so bad! xD
Soooo much noise and artifact in those shots, resolved detail not very good either.
That said, looks like HTCs best camera ever (apart from perhaps the Mozart with its Xenon Flash, but I haven't seen many examples from that handset yet).
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
i agree buying a phone based on its camera is silly, the only time i have ever used my phone camera was when i got a parking ticket so i took photos of the signage and my car wrote a letter to the council and got off without having to pay
if i know im going to take photos i just take my DSLR
NZtechfreak said:
Soooo much noise and artifact in those shots, resolved detail not very good either.
That said, looks like HTCs best camera ever (apart from perhaps the Mozart with its Xenon Flash, but I haven't seen many examples from that handset yet).
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Yes, I agree.
However, what I am finding is the DHD does not leave much EXIF data.
Below is what is missing when shown in PhotoMe which is shown on the SGS:-
Under Overview
Aperture
Exposure Time
Program Mode
Flash Mode
Metering Mode
White Balance
Under Image
Orientation of Image
Software Firmware
Under Thumbnail view
Nothing. There's no section!
Under Camera
Exposure Time
F-Stop
Exposure Program
Shutter Speed
Aperture
Brightness
Exposure Bias
Maximum Lens Aperture
Metering Mode
Light Source
Flash Details
Manufacturer Notes
Sensing Method
Scene Type
Exposure Mode
White Balance
Digital Zoom Ratio
Focal Length in 35mm Film
Scene Capture Type
Contrast
Saturation
Sharpness
eozen81 said:
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
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Nice
More photos..............
Any chance in taking an evening shot (sunset/sunrise) without flash.
Also if possible another two low light shots with and without flash (basically the same shot for comparison on how well the camera handles low lighting with & without a flash).
Cheers.
Ouch those shots are really poor in terms of quality, noise, too strong noisereduction, chromatic abberation and hell everything.
I'm afraid Nokia N8 wins this round.
/ Magnus
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Pepsi anyone!??
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eozen81 said:
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
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You don't need to be obsessed with photo quality to demand more from your mobile phone camera than the Desire HD is offering though. For many of us the camera is quite an important consideration because day to day photography with our phones is part of our regular use (most of us don't carry a DSLR all the time, eh?). Its nice to have shots that are 'good enough' for that kind of casual photography, and many other non-HTC phones offer that.
I won't, and haven't ever, based a decision to buy a phone solely on the camera, but certainly its a consideration, more important for some of us than others (but you can't dictate to others how they come to a decision to get a phone or not).
Hello,
This weekend I spent some time at a store playing with a G2 and was very impressed!
Excellent performance, right size and drop dead gorgeous screen.
I am considering getting one, but I have been reading some complaints here on XDA about the camera.
My question is how bad is the camera in real life?
I currently have an iPhone 5 and use the camera a lot. I shoot in all lighting conditions and everything from landscapes, city scapes, portraits, candids, food... I also shoot a lot of social pics in low light and indoors of friends gathering on coffe shops and clubs and such. In these situations, the iPhone delivers pics that are a bit noise, but plenty useful on the small screen and on Facebook and such.
I was just wondering if the camera on the G2 is on the same league as the iPhone 5, better, or worse.
What's your take?
Cheers!
In my experience autofocus in a dimly lit setting (e.g. in a restaurant) suck pretty hard. My girlfriend's iPhone 4 handily outperformed my LG G2 in focusing. Once the focus is set, however, it takes a good photo.
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Hello,
This weekend I spent some time at a store playing with a G2 and was very impressed!
Excellent performance, right size and drop dead gorgeous screen.
I am considering getting one, but I have been reading some complaints here on XDA about the camera.
My question is how bad is the camera in real life?
I currently have an iPhone 5 and use the camera a lot. I shoot in all lighting conditions and everything from landscapes, city scapes, portraits, candids, food... I also shoot a lot of social pics in low light and indoors of friends gathering on coffe shops and clubs and such. In these situations, the iPhone delivers pics that are a bit noise, but plenty useful on the small screen and on Facebook and such.
I was just wondering if the camera on the G2 is on the same league as the iPhone 5, better, or worse.
What's your take?
Cheers!
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Its better of course...But the camera software needs fine tuning,in order to be really good.But to take a great pic you need to sit and learn the camera options.Its not like an iphone that has pretty much only one mode for almost everything.
Intelligent Auto mode works pretty well for just about any situation. The de-noise setting in low light situations is too much though.
You can use one of the custom camera's from here on the forums and it will give a bit better quality and it also will focus faster.
G2 crushes the iPhone 5s. (At least in this particular scenario)
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5s on the left... stock camera apps on both. I used Intelligent Auto w/ Flash on the G2.
brad piff said:
G2 crushes the iPhone 5s. (At least in this particular scenario)
5s on the left... stock camera apps on both. I used Intelligent Auto w/ Flash on the G2.
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I wouldnt use intel auto at night pics especialy with flash on.Normal will flash will make them look alot better.Also it will focus and take apic alot faster.
woof123 said:
I wouldnt use intel auto at night pics especialy with flash on.Normal will flash will make them look less processed.Also it will focus and take apic alot faster.
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Dunno, I've tried a lot of pictures with flash on and without I.A. and the results were pretty bad.
brad piff said:
G2 crushes the iPhone 5s. (At least in this particular scenario)
5s on the left... stock camera apps on both. I used Intelligent Auto w/ Flash on the G2.
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Nice example.
That is the type of comparison I am looking for.
In good light, I am guessing they will both perform well.
Cheers!
gdourado said:
Nice example.
That is the type of comparison I am looking for.
In good light, I am guessing they will both perform well.
Cheers!
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I'd agree, most cameras in the modern age work pretty damn good in well lit conditions. I really like this camera... I had a Nexus 4 before and this is night and day as far as quality is concerned.
Night time shot.
http://instagram.com/p/fgwstYwe4b/
That's the colored version... couldn't get the image URL!
brad piff said:
Dunno, I've tried a lot of pictures with flash on and without I.A. and the results were pretty bad.
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Play with the settings abit.I.A process the pics to much,when its used in low light conditions,normal mod isnt.
Did Google paid off "professional" reviewers?
Using the N6 in just a few hours, one would easily come to the conclusion that its camera is "turds" as "heck"
MOD EDIT: Language
What a disappointing POS!
knite75 said:
Did Google paid off "professional" reviewers?
Using the N6 in just a few hours, one would easily come to the conclusion that its camera is sh*t as f*ck.
What a disappointing POS!
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Well you never get a nexus for the camera . what alternative everyone using
I have no idea what you mean. I think it is awesome!
knite75 said:
Did Google paid off "professional" reviewers?
Using the N6 in just a few hours, one would easily come to the conclusion that its camera is Mod edit
What a disappointing POS!
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The whole phone's Mod edit. Return it asap before you aren't able to. ?
N6
knite75 said:
Did Google paid off "professional" reviewers?
Using the N6 in just a few hours, one would easily come to the conclusion that its camera is sh*t as f*ck.
What a disappointing POS!
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maybe you just dont know how to actually use a camera besides for pointing and clicking? if you just point and click, itll just take an average focus photo, and its not that great. if you press on the point you want it focused on(point and click), itll come out much better, focus and lighting.
Come on guys/gals. Watch the language.
This is just your opinion. I've had much worse cameras on phones such as the moto x. Is it the best camera on a phone? No, but it clearly isn't the worst camera ever. This is what every reviewer said. I kinda doubt you even have a nexus 6 if you are saying it is that bad.
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I like it. Is it perfect? No, but it's damn good and it'll probably only get better with updates.
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So...are you a Note 4 or iPhone 6 owner OP? They are the only ones that come in here and try to trash the N6 camera.
Your bridge is missing you my friend, please crawl back under it.
simms22 said:
maybe you just dont know how to actually use a camera besides for pointing and clicking? if you just point and click, itll just take an average focus photo, and its not that great. if you press on the point you want it focused on(point and click), itll come out much better, focus and lighting.
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No sense.
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What is wrong with it? Examples?
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Is it better than the M8? That's all I care about.
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Is it better than the M8? That's all I care about.
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That it is by far. But most everything is.
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Did Google paid off "professional" reviewers?
Using the N6 in just a few hours, one would easily come to the conclusion that its camera is "turds" as "heck"
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What a disappointing POS!
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?Only an idiot would come to that conclusion and express himself in such an idiotic way.
I took a couple nude photos of myself and they were so good my Dropbox instantly was hacked and they are all over the Internet. This camera is fine.
Love the N6 camera. Better than the GS4 which still to this day is a superb phone camera
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knite75 said:
Did Google paid off "professional" reviewers?
Using the N6 in just a few hours, one would easily come to the conclusion that its camera is "turds" as "heck"
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What a disappointing POS!
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Sounds like user error - there's nothing wrong with the camara...
This thread is useless. Not sure why the mods have let it exist as long as it has existed...
So we can discuss how the first post is wrong so as to not allow others the same lapse in judgment
You can criticize the camera if you'd like, there likely are other cameras that are better and/or worse either overall or in specific situations. The M8 tuning the camera to a lower resolution but better low light performance is an example. There are better cameras sure, but it does take some pretty good shots if low light shooting is your primary concern.
My point is, please debate the camera, debate breeds ideas and opinions which (hopefully) influence what manufacturers put in our devices. But try and be constructive, and where possible specific and/or somewhat scientific in your assessment. If you are, there's a chance we can all help each other find solutions or if need be, recommend a better phone based on your needs.
Now, who's going to hack 60 & 120fps video for us
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