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Parden if this is posted somewhere else. But this needs some serious attention. As of current, I realize the 3G issues is a design flaw. So this means all N1s have this problem. You can test it for your self. The easy way to fix this would be to have stronger 3G coverage but thats not the case. Let me quote whats been said at droidstory.com and the nexus forums..
I’ve been saying all along that this is a RF issue. I noticed this right away when I got my phone and even posted this video on Jan 9 to show how the N1 drops 3G as soon as you hold it in your hand.
The problem occurs only when you are in an area with a weak 3G signal, anything less than -80dBm. (Higher negative numbers mean weaker signal.)
Basically, if you have -90dBM or less signal strength with the phone sitting on your desk, holding it in your hand will push it down to -100dBm or less. At that point all bets are off. Before the update it would switch to Edge around -100dBm, now it seems to hold on until about -105dBm.
The “dBm” (dB-milliwatt) is a logarithmic measurement of signal strength, and dBm values can be easily converted to and from mW values. So a decrease of roughly 3dBm yields a change of roughly HALF in the mW value.
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After watching that video you can decide who to blame.
Google if the device's rx sensitivity is so poor when held in hand it needs a recall. Is it a hardware issue?
After google & HTC watche the video and get to test in an area with <-84dBm signal strength reading, I'd love to hear the response from their respective tech teams soon.
The signal reading being low low doesn't mean low signal. Compare with other devices/instruments.
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.. read more here and here
The question. What is Google waiting on to say something? to do something?? its enough that we also have serious touch screen problems to deal with but come on Google..Are we really beta testers? you think its EASY to give you 500+ for a phone?
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at first i thought it was just me, but now is my phone as well as my wifes phone.
and to send it back with in the 14day period they keep $45 o yours when the phone is running like a pos. Great one Google i expected way better from yall
Not sure what my take is...
1. All phones drop signals a bit when held by both hands.
2. This bouncing between edge/3g doesnt happen to me in strong 3g areas. In the area where it sometimes happens I cant replicate the issue stated it seems random. But to be fair my G1 was always bouncing back and forth there , heck even with Sprint I had mediocre EVDO steadiness.
It may be a slight hardware problem made worse by a network with very spotty 3g coverage in most areas.
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at first i thought it was just me, but now is my phone as well as my wifes phone.
and to send it back with in the 14day period they keep $45 o yours when the phone is running like a pos. Great one Google i expected way better from yall
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Its getting really annoying and the silence Google is practicing is getting defending..
If I cup the bottom of the phone in my hand, my signal strength does drop a bar or 2. I never lose 3G completely though. Luckily I have a strong signal where I live. I could see this becoming a real problem if I travel away from home though. It's rather annoying that Google didn't catch this before releasing the phone
I just tried the same thing (holding in both hands, covering back etc..) on my HTC Pure on at&t and my 3g connection dropped down to 2 bars from 5 bars. Seems to be normal behaviour with all phones with internal antenna.
I think the only problem seems to be that N1 is too picky about signal trength and switches to edge as soon as signal strength drops down slightly.
I do not think this is an hardware issue.
EDIT: See attached screenshot from my old Nokia 6682 user manual. They specifically warn against this.
Maybe you think it's "real on all N1s" because of anecdotic evidence and postings on the internet, but that doesn't mean proof.
Now it might have trouble with US 3g frequecies or it might just be a software "problem" where it switches to edge before the signal gets too bad.
I can safely say I've had no problems at all, the signal doesn't switch back and forth, signal doesn't change when I cup it with both hands etc.
Granted I have -75dBm signal where I live, but it's not like I sit around playing with my phone indoors all the time either
All cellular phones lose signal when you cover the antenna with your hand. ALL of them. I've had over 20 cell phones in the past 10 years, and every single one had this issue. Why this is a standout issue on the N1, I don't know.
The previous two Nokia phones I used all lose signal when holding the antenna area.
Well, again it happened to all phones with internal antenna...and not just Nexus One especially on a week 3G coverage.
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Parden if this is posted somewhere else. But this needs some serious attention. As of current, I realize the 3G issues is a design flaw. So this means all N1s have this problem. You can test it for your self. The easy way to fix this would be to have stronger 3G coverage but thats not the case. Let me quote whats been said at droidstory.com and the nexus forums..
.. read more here and here
The question. What is Google waiting on to say something? to do something?? its enough that we also have serious touch screen problems to deal with but come on Google..Are we really beta testers? you think its EASY to give you 500+ for a phone?
share your thoughts..
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My thoughts are as follows:
The antenna is in the bottom of the phone - this isn't a design "flaw" it's how the phone was designed to fit the necessary components into a small fixed space. This isn't the first phone designed this way and it won't be the last. It was likely designed that way due to space constraints with the speaker, mic and camera up top. Again, the "issue" is only prevalent in areas of weaker 3G coverage.
The iPhone 3G is designed the same way and people see the same issues with 3G dropping when you cover it with your hand - you can find the same youtube videos on it.
Google was aware of this before it shipped and in the manual states not to cover the back of the phone and to hold it in the preferred position. I don't think Google has anything to say that isn't in the manual already...
Now, you can argue that the N1 may get poorer 3G reception compared to other phones, but to argue that covering the antenna with your hand causes a degradation of signal is a "design flaw" is asinine. This happens with all phones and all antennas. There's likely few ways they could have placed the antenna in the top of the phone with the size of the current phone and the hardware that's already up there.
I wouldn't hold your breath for Google to "do something" as people seem to want as there's nothing they can "do" other than say, "Read your manual and quit covering the antenna with your hand".
Omg really..when is this topic going to end? Those of us with common sense know that it's nothing to do with the Nexus one or Android specifically. All phones do the same thing. I just did it with a friends iPhone. I can go around my building (AT&T) and cover anybodies phone with my hand and drop a bar, sometimes two. It's common networking knowledge. You cover the antenna, you lose some signal strength.
If you have 2 bars of 3G and you cover it up and lose 2 bars....What do you think happens? You go to Edge. Everybody thinks they know this issue like they invented the damn thing. There is no specific problem with the Nexus One. Give it up already.
Ironically common sense isn't so common these days...
I am sitting at my desk, I have a rooted N1 customized to the max. I am using the ERE36B Radio, (not the one in the OTA) I have 4 bars of 3G/HSPDA If I cover the bottom of the phone with both hands, I dont loose a single bar.
I fully believe this is a software issue. The leaked radio is working great for me, I almost never lose 3G now.
Yes covering the antena will cause you to lose signal, why wouldnt it?
Blah, I have a N1 and G1 on tmobile on different lines and they always have the same service same speed tests. Maybe my phone is the phenomenon, but I doubt it.
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Google was aware of this before it shipped and in the manual states not to cover the back of the phone and to hold it in the preferred position. I don't think Google has anything to say that isn't in the manual already...
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Whats the preferred position?
Any comfortable way caused you to block the radio.
I get the same signal strength my G1 did in all the same places. Using both the OTA radio and the 36B radio. If I'm in a place with weak 3G I force it to 2G. Why would Google give a **** about T-Mobile's 3G coverage?
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Blah, I have a N1 and G1 on tmobile on different lines and they always have the same service same speed tests. Maybe my phone is the phenomenon, but I doubt it.
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I get the same signal strength my G1 did in all the same places. Using both the OTA radio and the 36B radio. If I'm in a place with weak 3G I force it to 2G. Why would Google give a **** about T-Mobile's 3G coverage?
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This is what I have been saying. I have a MyTouch, N1, and G1 and they all have the same signal strength at all times. I sold the G1 already but my wife still has the Mytouch.
Everybody who complains has nothing to compare it to. How can you say something is worse because you "remember" another phone? You can't. It's T-mobiles coverage. It has nothing to do with Google, Android or HTC.
People just need to get over it already and stop complaining.
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This is what I have been saying. I have a MyTouch, N1, and G1 and they all have the same signal strength at all times. I sold the G1 already but my wife still has the Mytouch.
Everybody who complains has nothing to compare it to. How can you say something is worse because you "remember" another phone? You can't. It's T-mobiles coverage. It has nothing to do with Google, Android or HTC.
People just need to get over it already and stop complaining.
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Ok, since you have access to multiple Android phones...
Can you try the TRUE test?
Open up Settings -> About Phone -> Network on both phones sitting side by side.
Can you compare the *exact* signal strength on both phones? (dBm vs dBm when side by side)
And yes I have absolutely HORRID service in my place. I'm lucky to get better than -95.
In times of change the learners will inherit the earth, while the knowers will find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists.
Good job, you apparently know it all. . . BTW, thanks for the earth
From the experience gained using mine is evident that all problems are not hardware but FULLY firmware related.
Since everytime I make a call the phone SHOWS a better coverage than staying only surfing the web. Also when tethering, if I make the phone call suddenly the HSDPA speeds tend to increase at about 20%, I presume that when you are calling, the firmware might be settled to somehow strength the radio signal. Compare this on-call speeds to my "normal" ones:
Anyway, right now the only temporal solution for the indiscriminated switch backs to GPRS when navigating is making sure of accesing the radio config (*#*#4636#*#*) and select WDMCA ONLY...
As many people here are probably aware of...the Nexus One had some 3G reception problems on T-Mobile. How is the Vibrant working out for those who have it (or get it today)?
EDIT: I'm not here to argue about whether or not the N1 had 3G reception issues. I'm really just interested to hear about the Vibrant's 3G performance in real world use. If you have a vibrant please let me know how it is for you. Thanks!
will let you know in about an hour and 10 minutes. I have had 2 different HD2's in the past 3 months, the first one had a consistent 5 bars of 3G at my house, and my last one would average 2-3, so I'm hoping the Vibrant will be more like my first hd2 in that regards lol
sounds good. will wait to hear about it. this was my biggest gripe with the nexus one, so hopefully it is better in this phone.
N1 does not have reception issue... its tmobiles coverage .. it does the same to my tp2, tmobile dash and I even saw the galaxy doing it in poor signal... in strong area it wont even drop a bar...
And galaxys antenna is at the bottom like the n1...
Check video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k&feature=player_embedded#
And here's my tp2 doing it.... its tmobile and of course covering it. Together is the issue.. forgive the language in the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eo7uFtAKDY
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N1 does not have reception issue... its tmobiles coverage .. it does the same to my tp2, tmobile dash and I even saw the galaxy doing it in poor signal... in strong area it wont even drop a bar...
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I'm not referring to what happens if you're in poor signal area. I'm talking about average signal areas where you have decent 3G and very good EDGE reception. The N1 loses 3G reception when held in a specific way, or often defaults to EDGE while other phones such as the G1 hold onto 3G just fine. I've tested this thoroughly, and am quite certain of this.
^ I have both, an N1 and G1. You are either very unlucky or full of $hit.
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^ I have both, an N1 and G1. You are either very unlucky or full of $hit.
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Wow, seems like you need to grow up a bit.
These are my observations, and the N1's signal simply wasn't good enough for me to keep the phone. I no longer own it. I'm not the only person who has had issues with the N1's signal in comparison to other phones. It is true that you can hold many phones in a specific way to drop signal, but on the N1 holding it in a natural way causes a drop, which is a pretty big issue - at least it was for me.
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I'm not referring to what happens if you're in poor signal area. I'm talking about average signal areas where you have decent 3G and very good EDGE reception. The N1 loses 3G reception when held in a specific way, or often defaults to EDGE while other phones such as the G1 hold onto 3G just fine. I've tested this thoroughly, and am quite certain of this.
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Watch my vids, most phones do this. Just cause ya got full bars 3g doesn't make it a strong signal.....
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Watch my vids, most phones do this. Just cause ya got full bars 3g doesn't make it a strong signal.....
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I've tested this firsthand and don't need to watch any videos. natural use of other phones results in better 3G reception than natural use of an N1. unless you're actually *trying* to hurt the signal on a G1, it's not going to happen easily. That's my experience, anyways. By the way, I use the actual dbm's to measure the signal, not just bars. To say that "full bars" is not strong signal is actually pretty ignorant anyways. Generally full bars is a minimum of around -90dbm which is definitely a good signal. It differs a bit based on how they are calibrated on a particular phone, but this is an approximate rule.
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Wow, seems like you need to grow up a bit.
These are my observations, and the N1's signal simply wasn't good enough for me to keep the phone. I no longer own it. I'm not the only person who has had issues with the N1's signal in comparison to other phones. It is true that you can hold many phones in a specific way to drop signal, but on the N1 holding it in a natural way causes a drop, which is a pretty big issue - at least it was for me.
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I've read the issue .. I've owned a n1 for 6 months. The issue is tmobile not the phone... I.e. my videos. They do the same.... Its tmobile.. and partially bad antenna placement but its ultimately the poor signal That causes your hand to deflect signal... and from the video the sgs has the antenna in the same place as then1
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I've tested this firsthand and don't need to watch any videos. natural use of other phones results in better 3G reception than natural use of an N1. unless you're actually *trying* to hurt the signal on a G1, it's not going to happen easily. That's my experience, anyways. By the way, I use the actual dbm's to measure the signal, not just bars. To say that "full bars" is not strong signal is actually pretty ignorant anyways. Generally full bars is a minimum of around -90dbm which is definitely a good signal. It differs a bit based on how they are calibrated on a particular phone, but this is an approximate rule.
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Ignorance is starting a thread about signal and not watching vids people post to help you out... one of them vids is the galaxy s... your answer is in that video
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I've read the issue .. I've owned a n1 for 6 months. The issue is tmobile not the phone... I.e. my videos. They do the same.... Its tmobile.. and partially bad antenna placement but its ultimately the poor signal That causes your hand to deflect signal... and from the video the sgs has the antenna in the same place as then1
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You can point figures at T-Mobile all you want but I constantly have 3G on a G1 in a lot of places where I didn't on an N1 (tested different radios as well, with similar results). The same goes for my Nokia N900, which I can't deplete the signal by the way I hold it no matter how much I try.
It is true that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100mhz bands for 3G, while AT&T uses lower bands (850/1900mhz). The lower bands are less susceptible to interference like this, and that's probably why the issue wasn't very noticeable on the AT&T version of the N1. However, a properly designed phone will not have as much of a problem on T-Mobile's network as the N1, especially when you're holding the phone in a natural way, and not an obtrusive way.
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You can point figures at T-Mobile all you want but I constantly have 3G on a G1 in a lot of places where I didn't on an N1 (tested different radios as well, with similar results). The same goes for my Nokia N900, which I can't deplete the signal by the way I hold it no matter how much I try.
It is true that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100mhz bands for 3G, while AT&T uses lower bands (850/1900mhz). The lower bands are less susceptible to interference like this, and that's probably why the issue wasn't very noticeable on the AT&T version of the N1. However, a properly designed phone will not have as much of a problem on T-Mobile's network as the N1, especially when you're holding the phone in a natural way, and not an obtrusive way.
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I thinks its both. But safe to say if we had better signal I.e. building penetration we would never see the issue...past this.. back to sgs
Please watch the video. The first one shows the same as how the n1 was. Imo the antenna is in the same spot. So that may help you out on your question
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Ignorance is starting a thread about signal and not watching vids people post to help you out... one of them vids is the galaxy s... your answer is in that video
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That's the Galaxy S, not the Vibrant.
The Galaxy S had issues with GPS signal, so far reports are that the Vibrant does not. Clearly there are some changes to the phone in that case. It could be an updated firmware. Thus I can't go by issues that the Galaxy S has, as the Vibrant could very well be different - especially considering that video seems to be from a completely different network operator/country, with different network characteristics, etc. On the other hand, on the N1, the 3G reception issue was a widespread problem, even recognized by Google to some extent - though they never did 'truly' fix it. I'll be the first to say the N1 is a really nice phone, even today - a good 6 months after its release. But it isn't quite as good as other phones in 3G reception, which I determined after owning the phone for almost three months.
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I thinks its both. But safe to say if we had better signal I.e. building penetration we would never see the issue...past this.. back to sgs
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These are the frequencies that T-Mobile was allocated, and they are not the only carrier using higher bands for 3G. It is the job of the phone manufacturer to develop a device that is optimized for the frequencies the intended network uses. The N900 is an example of a device that does really well in this area, the G1 isn't too bad either. In creating this thread, I was hoping to hear about actual usage of the Vibrant on T-Mobile's network, so how about we leave the thread to just that?
Thanks.
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These are the frequencies that T-Mobile was allocated, and they are not the only carrier using higher bands for 3G. It is the job of the phone manufacturer to develop a device that is optimized for the frequencies the intended network uses. The N900 is an example of a device that does really well in this area, the G1 isn't too bad either. In creating this thread, I was hoping to hear about actual usage of the Vibrant on T-Mobile's network, so how about we leave the thread to just that?
Thanks.
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Its a fact tmobiles 3g doesn't penetrate buildings as well. I don't care what phone you have...
Anyways. I'm saying the antenna is more than likely at the bottom as well. So you may be getting n1 issues... anyways I'm done. Your pretty set in what you believe ...
Hope its well for you...
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Its a fact tmobiles 3g doesn't penetrate buildings as well. I don't care what phone you have...
Anyways. I'm saying the antenna is more than likely at the bottom as well. So you may be getting n1 issues... anyways I'm done. Your pretty set in what you believe ...
Hope its well for you...
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When did I argue anything about building penetration? Of course it's not as good as some other carriers, due to the higher frequencies in use. However, some phones handle this better than others, and I created this thread to learn about the Vibrant's 3G performance. You came here and began arguing over practically nothing, without any experience of the Vibrant yourself. And as 'heygrl' pointed out, you're clearly going out of your way to deplete the signal on the TP2, holding it an unnatural way. Thus the video is not really relevant.
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The vidzzzzzz you posted are crap.
Anyway I ACUTALLY have a Vibrant in a few hours and I will let the OP know how the reception is instead of posting up a bunch of stupid Youtube videos.
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Thanks. Glad to see somebody who knows what they're talking about.
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When did I argue anything about building penetration? Of course it's not as good as some other carriers, due to the higher frequencies in use. However, some phones handle this better than others, and I created this thread to learn about the Vibrant's 3G performance. You came here and began arguing over practically nothing, without any experience of the Vibrant yourself. And as 'heygrl' pointed out, you're clearly going out of your way to deplete the signal on the TP2, holding it an unnatural way. Thus the video is not really relevant.
Thanks. Glad to see somebody who knows what they're talking about.
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hows that a unatural way? people hold the top alot, think about holding it in landscape, if your holding it with your left hand, your gonna cover the antenna even more so than I was especially typing.. HOW was that Unatural. LOL Thats how you hold your phone....
Edit: and what consists of Unatural? lol Its a 4 inch device, your hands are gonna cover it no matter how hard you try and avoid it... Once again hows holding it at the top vs bottom unatural?
So basically since im holding it at the top vs bottom Im holding it wrong. lol
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hows that a unatural way? people hold the top alot, think about holding it in landscape, if your holding it with your left hand, your gonna cover the antenna even more so than I was especially typing.. HOW was that Unatural. LOL Thats how you hold your phone....
Edit: and what consists of Unatural? lol Its a 4 inch device, your hands are gonna cover it no matter how hard you try and avoid it... Once again hows holding it at the top vs bottom unatural?
So basically since im holding it at the top vs bottom Im holding it wrong. lol
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Whatever you say - I've used a T-Mobile TP2 (in areas with slightly sketchy 3G) and didn't notice this problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but under my usage I didn't see this. I don't see it on a G1 or N900 either.
Anyway, I don't care about the TP2 - I'm concerned with the Vibrant, so let's see what people have to say in terms of real world usage.
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I've read the issue .. I've owned a n1 for 6 months. The issue is tmobile not the phone... I.e. my videos. They do the same.... Its tmobile.. and partially bad antenna placement but its ultimately the poor signal That causes your hand to deflect signal... and from the video the sgs has the antenna in the same place as then1
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there's a 78 page thread w/about 3300 posts on google's nexus one support forum that refutes your assertion that it's Tmo's signal or coverage - when the AT&T versions came out, they had same issues
convince them http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=0c0fb2a46ad64955&hl=en&start=3040
Now that I've received my Galaxy S2, I kind of wondered if it really has bad WIFI reception as many suggested.
In order to test this objectively, and since I still have my HTC HD2 (which I always thought had decent WIFI reception), I've done a shootout between these two, using Speedtest.net.
I did the test in two locations, one location very close to the WIFI router, a place with good WIFI reception. The other location was far away from the router, a place with poor WIFI reception, this place was the farthest place from the router where the two devices still had enough signal to allow making the test (I did 3 rounds in this "poor WIFI reception" place, to see how much variation there is from test to test).
I have to say these results suprised me for the better.
Here is the test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIdGTGXftas
Enjoy...
Cool comparison. Did you made one to compare sinal strength on both to see who can go wider in range to the wireless router?
its almost as good as the HD2
so does this mean most of the people complaining here are just trolls ??
and thank you for the tests
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Cool comparison. Did you made one to compare sinal strength on both to see who can go wider in range to the wireless router?
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Well, I didn't see much correlation between signal strength (or at least how it is reported at the status bar) and real signal reliability or speed. The Galaxy S2 usually reported worse signal strength, but in the real test it was performing more or less the same as the HD2. You can even see that in the last round of the 3 I did for "poor WIFI reception", the HD2 lost connection for some time (as was reported by Speedtest.net, not by the signal strength indicator at the status bar), but the Galaxy S2 didn't...
Nordic Hardware used the SGS2 to benchmark against the Sensation to demonstrate the latter's death-grip issue. One would certainly think that if the SGS2 was the slug everyone's reporting it to be they would have noticed and called that out.
http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...are-med-hoeg-upploesning.html?start=8#content
Has anyone considered the fact that the Samsung may just have a problem with the reception display and not actually the reception. Maybe the UI is reporting false readings.
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Has anyone considered the fact that the Samsung may just have a problem with the reception display and not actually the reception. Maybe the UI is reporting false readings.
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according to the other posters, wifi analyzer shows low reception
Also based on my test (my 5Ghz band shows less reception than my 2.4Ghz), speed difference between the two were almost non-existent. I couldn't get below what my cable bandwidth offers
Sense default to low wifi transmit power, go to wifi->menu->advanced and increase the power for a more fair comparison
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Sense default to low wifi transmit power, go to wifi->menu->advanced and increase the power for a more fair comparison
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The HTC HD2 was not using SENSE. It was running a Cyanogenmod 7 Android ROM.
First test is online and it doesn't look too pleasing. I'm guessing the 1440p panel really does zap the life out of this thing.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/droid-turbo-battery-life,news-19846.html
I don't know how bright 150 nits are, but that basically means you can easily get ~9.5 hours of SoT, right?
I had a day where my Razr Maxx was off the charger for 16 hours, with over 8 hours of SoT and over 1GB of data transferred by my reddit app (it was a very lazy Sunday). If I can get back to that sort of battery life, it would be awesome. I don't need 2 days of power use, I just need enough for a long day with heavy use.
in all phones defense, not even one phone in the world lasts more than 12 hours with a full bright screen and 4G LTE enabled, no matter what you do, thats heavy use (IMHO)
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in all phones defense, not even one phone in the world lasts more than 12 hours with a full bright screen and 4G LTE enabled, no matter what you do, thats heavy use (IMHO)
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Most phone's full brightness is upwards of 500nits. This test was only at 150nits which is pretty low on the brightness spectrum.
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Most phone's full brightness is upwards of 500nits. This test was only at 150nits which is pretty low on the brightness spectrum.
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oh sh- really? something its not right, then, wait... its without turning the screen off, then?
I'm gonna wait for a second review that list seems a bit suspect to me. Never seen the OnePlus that much higher than everything else on other roundups before.
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I'm gonna wait for a second review that list seems a bit suspect to me. Never seen the OnePlus that much higher than everything else on other roundups before.
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exactly. that site seems to be off by quite a bit in several of the ratings on battery life.
Several shortcomings in their test. Here are a few I thought of immediately.
1) different cell carriers / frequencies. Some may have additional compression/caching.
2) different signal strengths. What if that cell/data signal was LTE at -60dB, but the Verizon switched occasionally from LTE to 3G and was at -100dB
3) testing group of dynamic web sites. "100 public sites" (content changes very quickly-multiple times a day. Sometimes more graphics intense and with auto playing video to cache/buffer)
4) were they tested at the same time? Same day? Weeks apart?
5) same web browser on all phones? same version? same phone cache settings? same plugin versions?
I'm more interested in how it performs over the Droid Maxx. I don't want to lose battery life, which I fear I will due to the processor/gpu usage in order to drive the higher resolution. I have read that the display backlight is relatively constant in terms of power consumption.
I ordered a light meter from amazon. I'll set them to the same brightness and play video files from a private server: first over VZW LTE, then after recharging from the device's own memory in airplane mode.
pjd2011 said:
First test is online and it doesn't look too pleasing. I'm guessing the 1440p panel really does zap the life out of this thing.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/droid-turbo-battery-life,news-19846.html
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That test is bull****.
HTC One M8 gets 9:52 hours. In what world is that?!
And other numbers from that test are just crazy and nonsense
My m8 gets half of that on Verizon
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The test doesn't line up with reality, I wouldn't expect the numbers to match any other site, but I would expect the overall hierarchy to match other sites reviews.
The IP6 is too low, The M8 is too high, The OPO is laughably too high. The Note 4 is lower than it should be...
Just to clarify - let's make this the battery life thread. I for one don't think this first test is anything official by any means but as more reviews come out let's talk about them here!
Jr6278 said:
My m8 gets half of that on Verizon
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Seems like thats the case with a lot of phones on verizon (iphone, moto x, lg g3)...
traccdma said:
Several shortcomings in their test. Here are a few I thought of immediately.
1) different cell carriers / frequencies. Some may have additional compression/caching.
2) different signal strengths. What if that cell/data signal was LTE at -60dB, but the Verizon switched occasionally from LTE to 3G and was at -100dB
3) testing group of dynamic web sites. "100 public sites" (content changes very quickly-multiple times a day. Sometimes more graphics intense and with auto playing video to cache/buffer)
4) were they tested at the same time? Same day? Weeks apart?
5) same web browser on all phones? same version? same phone cache settings? same plugin versions?
I'm more interested in how it performs over the Droid Maxx. I don't want to lose battery life, which I fear I will due to the processor/gpu usage in order to drive the higher resolution. I have read that the display backlight is relatively constant in terms of power consumption.
I ordered a light meter from amazon. I'll set them to the same brightness and play video files from a private server: first over VZW LTE, then after recharging from the device's own memory in airplane mode.
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You're right, a lot of these 'tests' are so skewed and have no basis. The test they did proves nothing, absolutely nothing. Now, if you were to take a say, S5, M8, Turbo and use all of them on the same network, and same usage (web, video, calls, messaging and do exactly the same on all the devices) is the only way to really test the battery. Using one device on one network and one on another is absurd. I.e., when T-Mobile initially launched LTE it wasn't a full launch and the signal was weaker, causing the phone to try and find a stronger signal or struggle to keep the existing LTE signal, which results in a significant battery drain. Resulting in me switching my phone back to 4G for the time being. And then the network speeds, the longer the phones takes to load something also means the longer the screen will be lit resulting in yet again more battery drain. Those are just some factors that haven't even scratched the surface behind how the battery can be drained. These people need to stop testing phones without sufficient background data. Taking their site off my list of reliable sources.
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You're right, a lot of these 'tests' are so skewed and have no basis. The test they did proves nothing, absolutely nothing. Now, if you were to take a say, S5, M8, Turbo and use all of them on the same network, and same usage (web, video, calls, messaging and do exactly the same on all the devices) is the only way to really test the battery. Using one device on one network and one on another is absurd. I.e., when T-Mobile initially launched LTE it wasn't a full launch and the signal was weaker, causing the phone to try and find a stronger signal or struggle to keep the existing LTE signal, which results in a significant battery drain. Resulting in me switching my phone back to 4G for the time being. And then the network speeds, the longer the phones takes to load something also means the longer the screen will be lit resulting in yet again more battery drain. Those are just some factors that haven't even scratched the surface behind how the battery can be drained. These people need to stop testing phones without sufficient background data. Taking their site off my list of reliable sources.
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The peoblem is, the droid turbo is only available on verizon as of now. So theres no method to get different results (better or worse) on another carrier. I would hope theyd repeat tge test a few times to verify, but the result is what it is. Its perfectly fair to compare to othwr devices on other networks. Because if someone is looking for the phone with the best battery life they might go to an at&t htc one. Its not htc's fault that the turbo is limited to verizon.
And verizon claims the best coverage in the U.S. so unless they were doing the test in one of the few black holes where verizon doesnt get a good sig al compared to at&t, its not a skewed result.
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The peoblem is, the droid turbo is only available on verizon as of now. So theres no method to get different results (better or worse) on another carrier. I would hope theyd repeat tge test a few times to verify, but the result is what it is. Its perfectly fair to compare to othwr devices on other networks. Because if someone is looking for the phone with the best battery life they might go to an at&t htc one. Its not htc's fault that the turbo is limited to verizon.
And verizon claims the best coverage in the U.S. so unless they were doing the test in one of the few black holes where verizon doesnt get a good sig al compared to at&t, its not a skewed result.
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Then that means their results are inconclusive. But yes right now only Verizon sells it but it doesn't mean you can't use it on tmobile or att and test it... The phone is GSM unlocked and will work on tmobile's lte.... If you think their tests prove something that is the equivalent to comparing a 4 cylinder vehicle to a 6 cylinder, while driving the 6 cylinder conservatively and then pedal to the metal on the 4 all the time. In that example it's like how a prius would get lower mpg vs a m3 if you drove the prius aggressively and the m3 conservatively, and that test has been done but just for sh*ts and giggles. They're also comparing devices with different hardware on different networks. I guess it's dependent on how thorough you want to be, I don't buy any of the results they posted.
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gordonzhao said:
Then that means their results are inconclusive. But yes right now only Verizon sells it but it doesn't mean you can't use it on tmobile or att and test it... The phone is GSM unlocked and will work on tmobile's lte.... If you think their tests prove something that is the equivalent to comparing a 4 cylinder vehicle to a 6 cylinder, while driving the 6 cylinder conservatively and then pedal to the metal on the 4 all the time. In that example it's like how a prius would get lower mpg vs a m3 if you drove the prius aggressively and the m3 conservatively, and that test has been done but just for sh*ts and giggles. They're also comparing devices with different hardware on different networks. I guess it's dependent on how thorough you want to be, I don't buy any of the results they posted.
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I dont see how your analogy compares to this at all. they didn't have the phones set any differently. They were all set to the same brightness and used on their respective networks. How else would you have liked them to have done this test?
if your indications are that because they are on different networks that's affecting the battery life, then a more appropriate analogy would be comparing 0 to 60of an m3 and s4 with the m3 being up at 10,000 feet elevation and the s for being at sea level. Being naturally aspirated engines struggle more at high altitudes that would be an unfair comparison
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I dont see how your analogy compares to this at all. they didn't have the phones set any differently. They were all set to the same brightness and used on their respective networks. How else would you have liked them to have done this test?
if your indications are that because they are on different networks that's affecting the battery life, then a more appropriate analogy would be comparing 0 to 60of an m3 and s4 with the m3 being up at 10,000 feet elevation and the s for being at sea level. Being naturally aspirated engines struggle more at high altitudes that would be an unfair comparison
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Yeah that's the main problem, if the test involves constant data pulling over the network, that becomes a huge factor of the test.
joshm.1219 said:
Yeah that's the main problem, if the test involves constant data pulling over the network, that becomes a huge factor of the test.
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But if all of them are doing that then whhere is the discrepancy, ya know?
And its really not a matter of competing against other phones. If thats what the result js for the droid turbo on verizons nerwork then it is what it is. Doesnt matter if the M8 on at&t or iphone on t-mobile get better or worse time. Theyre not taking power away feom the droid turbo.
Id love to see more independent tests though.
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I dont see how your analogy compares to this at all. they didn't have the phones set any differently. They were all set to the same brightness and used on their respective networks. How else would you have liked them to have done this test?
if your indications are that because they are on different networks that's affecting the battery life, then a more appropriate analogy would be comparing 0 to 60of an m3 and s4 with the m3 being up at 10,000 feet elevation and the s for being at sea level. Being naturally aspirated engines struggle more at high altitudes that would be an unfair comparison
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I think that's where your confusion lies (my observation), there is no control (factor) group to compare it to. Of the 7 they tested, if they tested them all on VZW and then tested the same devices going through the same usage on AT&T then you can compare the devices on their respective networks. There's too many factors to account for the way they tested it. Another factor is the phone is....a day old? The battery hasn't even settled yet. The other devices they're comparing it to range from 6 months to half a month old. A very good comparison would be to test the, M8, OnePlus One, S5, and perhaps a G3 since they all use the same processor, and obviously other hardware is different but at least they have something in common. Now I'm not saying you can't compare an iPhone's battery life to an Android's either, so don't get the wrong idea there. It's just there are too many factors to offer conclusive results from how they way they 'tested.' But if you feel they are good enough for you then I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise, I'm simply pointing out that their test would be insufficient for my standards.
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But if all of them are doing that then whhere is the discrepancy, ya know?
And its really not a matter of competing against other phones. If thats what the result js for the droid turbo on verizons nerwork then it is what it is. Doesnt matter if the M8 on at&t or iphone on t-mobile get better or worse time. Theyre not taking power away feom the droid turbo.
Id love to see more independent tests though.
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As I previous stated above, I'd probably take the results from fellow XDA members over their data. I'd give it a few days to a week and check out the reports from other users after their battery has settled down as I don't remember any phone I've had in the past that was showing great battery life within the first few days of usage. There's so much going on with the phone that it's constantly working to get settled in, software and hardware. It's also like flashing a ROM on your phone, the battery life is never at it's best within the first few days after flashing, same principle with a new device that is...again, a day old.
Hi all,
Long story short, after my H815 (Europe) bootlooped, I got a replacement mother board online which turned out to be a H815T (Hong Kong) model.
But after using a Samsung J7 as my phone for a while, I became a bit suspicious about the "superiority" of the LG flagship compared to other phones. And I started to raise questions about the poor performance of my beloved device. Because many aspects were not working quite at the level I was remembering them or I wanted them to be for ex.:
1. Call Quality
Every time I speak on the phone with someone they complain about the sound. They can not hear me, and ask me to raise my voice or get the phone close to my face. On the other hand sound recording works great, so I assume microphone is OK. (and YES! I checked the "Noise Suppression" setting for calls)
2. Bad Network Reception
Oh god, I can barley get enough reception for the phone to recognize the operator. I am forced to use the phone only on GSM network mode, because on LTE, I can get almost no network coverage even on flat buildings, let alone basements or elevators, on LTE very often phone would go to "emergency only" mode because It could get no reception at all. I live in Kosovo and network coverage is Excellent with my old H815 I had no issue at all, I also used to talk on the phone even at 2600m altitude in the mountains at the border far far away from any village or city with no problem at all.
3. Bad camera quality
Here I'm not so sure if it is just me or it is true. But photos from H815T look nothing special, maybe even not so good. Iphone 5SE and 6S pictures look way sharper and colorful compared to G4. And I remember I used to embarrass Iphones even DSLR's, but now I have no motivation to take pictures, as they look flat, and noisy even foggy sometimes. (cannot understand why since the camera sensor is not changed, I just swapped the mother board)
4. No 4K in youtube
This may just be app's fault, but I cannot watch 4K videos on youtube, however I can review 4K recordings from the phone camera. (this may be good for preventing heating of the processor)
5.Not so snappy performance
Gone are the good days of speed, I remember the time when my G4 was the king, not any more, laggy performance, often freezing, not so great ram management etc etc. The android version I use is 5.1 which I left for performance and heat issue. I can not be sure if it just me who is wanting a better performance or really the phone is not working as it should.
So besides point number 3,4 & 5 which are purely subjective and may vary from personal view or preference, and it is hard to truly prove any difference. I wanted to focus at points 1 & 2 which are really sections when the difference is very CLEAR and H815T performs very poorly compared to H815, and anyone can easy prove that since the effect is evident and obvious.
I wanted to ask If anyone one other than me is experiencing problems of this nature. And is it true that LG (like many other companies) make different quality products for different markets. And the phones sold in Europe are better than those sold in other countries (China in this case)?
Please feel free to give you opinion or add anything you might have noticed on this topic.
Rinor said:
Hi all,
Long story short, after my H815 (Europe) bootlooped, I got a replacement mother board online which turned out to be a H815T (Hong Kong) model.
But after using a Samsung J7 as my phone for a while, I became a bit suspicious about the "superiority" of the LG flagship compared to other phones. And I started to raise questions about the poor performance of my beloved device. Because many aspects were not working quite at the level I was remembering them or I wanted them to be for ex.:
1. Call Quality
Every time I speak on the phone with someone they complain about the sound. They can not hear me, and ask me to raise my voice or get the phone close to my face. On the other hand sound recording works great, so I assume microphone is OK. (and YES! I checked the "Noise Suppression" setting for calls)
2. Bad Network Reception
Oh god, I can barley get enough reception for the phone to recognize the operator. I am forced to use the phone only on GSM network mode, because on LTE, I can get almost no network coverage even on flat buildings, let alone basements or elevators, on LTE very often phone would go to "emergency only" mode because It could get no reception at all. I live in Kosovo and network coverage is Excellent with my old H815 I had no issue at all, I also used to talk on the phone even at 2600m altitude in the mountains at the border far far away from any village or city with no problem at all.
3. Bad camera quality
Here I'm not so sure if it is just me or it is true. But photos from H815T look nothing special, maybe even not so good. Iphone 5SE and 6S pictures look way sharper and colorful compared to G4. And I remember I used to embarrass Iphones even DSLR's, but now I have no motivation to take pictures, as they look flat, and noisy even foggy sometimes. (cannot understand why since the camera sensor is not changed, I just swapped the mother board)
4. No 4K in youtube
This may just be app's fault, but I cannot watch 4K videos on youtube, however I can review 4K recordings from the phone camera. (this may be good for preventing heating of the processor)
5.Not so snappy performance
Gone are the good days of speed, I remember the time when my G4 was the king, not any more, laggy performance, often freezing, not so great ram management etc etc. The android version I use is 5.1 which I left for performance and heat issue. I can not be sure if it just me who is wanting a better performance or really the phone is not working as it should.
So besides point number 3,4 & 5 which are purely subjective and may vary from personal view or preference, and it is hard to truly prove any difference. I wanted to focus at points 1 & 2 which are really sections when the difference is very CLEAR and H815T performs very poorly compared to H815, and anyone can easy prove that since the effect is evident and obvious.
I wanted to ask If anyone one other than me is experiencing problems of this nature. And is it true that LG (like many other companies) make different quality products for different markets. And the phones sold in Europe are better than those sold in other countries (China in this case)?
Please feel free to give you opinion or add anything you might have noticed on this topic.
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Custom Rom or Stock?
did You checked Motherboard connections to some devices you metioned?
uweork said:
Custom Rom or Stock?
did You checked Motherboard connections to some devices you metioned?
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Stock Rom,
Yes I checked connections, because I had to remove the board quite often (but I'll give it another look)
Rinor said:
Stock Rom,
Yes I checked connections, because I had to remove the board quite often (but I'll give it another look)
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One suggestions...Check the Chips that are on the Mainboard with them from Ifixit oder other teardown site.
Maybe they used different ones.
Other posibility is that H815T is not so Compatible with european frequences and parts.
uweork said:
One suggestions...Check the Chips that are on the Mainboard with them from Ifixit oder other teardown site.
Maybe they used different ones.
Other possibility is that H815T is not so Compatible with European frequencies and parts.
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The frequencies are compatible with Kosovo, and also I connect to network, but the reception is very bad.
There must be just two options, bad connection (antenna) or bad board quality. I'll check the antenna connection to main board again to remove any dubt.
Thank you for the your reply and help.
Very first thing you should check before tampering with the hardware is check your firmware. Try upgrading first.
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steadfasterX said:
Very first thing you should check before tampering with the hardware is check your firmware. Try upgrading first.
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I'll give it a try too!
Thanks!