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Hi guys,
my first post here, but i spent a lot of time on this forum in the last days stealing information here and there so i would to thank you all for your incredible effort on get this phone better. Now i think it's time to share my thoughts about this smartphone, and ask for some doubts i have.
- Display: the size is awesome, but honestly i found it too much saturated, is there any way to change color saturation? Plus the reading is not that good... the characters, expecially without zoom, look too fuzzy. I have to admit that, imho, readability was better on my old iphone 3g. Someone feels like that? For multimedia, however, this screen is awesome.
- Lags: I can unfortunately notice some random lags while opening application or switching from market to installed apps, even with the oneclick lag fix (512 MB) installed (quadrant reports 2200+ score, if i remember correctly). I was tempted to try the hackheclair cooked rom, any advice about this?
- Battery: another pain. It seems that the phone drains the battery too fast in standby mode. In 6 hours (last night) it drained more than 20% of battery life. This sounds strange to me since many users reported an 1-2% battery drain during night. Please note that i killed all the applications and widgets before leaving the phone in standby. The only one thing that i'm unable to kill is the touchwiz UI, since i use launcherpro as default launcher. Do you know any way to kill the touchwiz UI?
- Memory: here is my biggest doubt. Shouldn't this phone carry 512 MB of RAM? When i check the running services the application reports a total of 256 MB of RAM. Where is the problem?
here are my phone details:
Firmware version JM5
Baseband XXJM3
Oneclick Lagfix applied
Sorry for the huge amount of questions, i heavy used the search engine but i haven't found any solution yet.
thanks
The3D said:
Hi guys,
my first post here, but i spent a lot of time on this forum in the last days stealing information here and there so i would to thank you all for your incredible effort on get this phone better. Now i think it's time to share my thoughts about this smartphone, and ask for some doubts i have.
- Display: the size is awesome, but honestly i found it too much saturated, is there any way to change color saturation? Plus the reading is not that good... the characters, expecially without zoom, look too fuzzy. I have to admit that, imho, readability was better on my old iphone 3g. Someone feels like that? For multimedia, however, this screen is awesome.
- Lags: I can unfortunately notice some random lags while opening application or switching from market to installed apps, even with the oneclick lag fix (512 MB) installed (quadrant reports 2200+ score, if i remember correctly). I was tempted to try the hackheclair cooked rom, any advice about this?
- Battery: another pain. It seems that the phone drains the battery too fast in standby mode. In 6 hours (last night) it drained more than 20% of battery life. This sounds strange to me since many users reported an 1-2% battery drain during night. Please note that i killed all the applications and widgets before leaving the phone in standby. The only one thing that i'm unable to kill is the touchwiz UI, since i use launcherpro as default launcher. Do you know any way to kill the touchwiz UI?
- Memory: here is my biggest doubt. Shouldn't this phone carry 512 MB of RAM? When i check the running services the application reports a total of 256 MB of RAM. Where is the problem?
here are my phone details:
Firmware version JM5
Baseband XXJM3
Oneclick Lagfix applied
Sorry for the huge amount of questions, i heavy used the search engine but i haven't found any solution yet.
thanks
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1. There is an app in the dev section to reduce text size, go check it out
2. That's odd, no lag in my end and i've applied One Click lagfix 1.5 .apk, i'm using SamSet's 1.9f ROM though.
3. At the moment there is no way to get rid of the TouchWiz UI but devs are working on a clean ROM, a Cyanogen mod ROM which is basically stock Android. Not too sure about the Battery issue, someone else can shed some light on that, but i do get 1-2% drop at night...
4. Eclair 2.1 does not utilize all of the RAM, and Samsung hasn't chosen to either, so we're all waiting for the final release of Froyo in a few weeks and then hopefully that will utilize all of the RAM, or there will be a workaround.
I was going to ask about the fuzzy text myself. It doesn't always seem to be so but a lot of the time the white titles of apps or text in widgets etc. It looks like it is a little out of focus but all images and coloured text appear pin sharp so far. Very odd.
your coming from an iphone 3g and your complaining about battery life and lag? you taking the piss?
and as for the screen, its better than any screen ive ever seen, i lol'ed when my mate put his iphone4 on full brightness and watched the battery go down in minutes, so dont go there with battery life.
try reading the forums and you'll find out that your problems have got a slightly better with more recent firmwares
sorry still ranting, 'fuzzy letters' roflmao!
MAMBO04 said:
1. There is an app in the dev section to reduce text size, go check it out
2. That's odd, no lag in my end and i've applied One Click lagfix 1.5 .apk, i'm using SamSet's 1.9f ROM though.
3. At the moment there is no way to get rid of the TouchWiz UI but devs are working on a clean ROM, a Cyanogen mod ROM which is basically stock Android. Not too sure about the Battery issue, someone else can shed some light on that, but i do get 1-2% drop at night...
4. Eclair 2.1 does not utilize all of the RAM, and Samsung hasn't chosen to either, so we're all waiting for the final release of Froyo in a few weeks and then hopefully that will utilize all of the RAM, or there will be a workaround.
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Actually the reason for limited memory is not Eclair. The amount of memory available is governed by the kernel and the kernel on the Galaxy S supports the full 512MB. However Samsung creates a large ramdisk on /tempfs (160MB) which explains why reported RAM is around 320MB.
As for the fuzzy fonts, this is the result of using PenTile matrix in the display. Just search for PenTile, there are many threads on these and other forums discussing that.
As for the fuzzy fonts, this is the result of using PenTile matrix in the display. Just search for PenTile, there are many threads on these and other forums discussing that.
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Is there a fix ?
Not without changing the entire screen.
After a while you get used to it, it's just jarring coming from a regular LCD screen.
Don't worry about the battery, it just needs to be broken in, be sure to charge it fully then use it till the phone shuts off then charge fully 3 or 4 times when you first get it. It took mine a week or 2 but now I get a couple days of fairly heavy use out of it compared to half a day when I first got it.
Another recommendation I will give is to try not to categorize this with another device. I came from a BlackBerry and as much as I hate to admit it, I had some BlackBerry withdrawal issues LOL
I'm now a happy camper and haven't experienced the lag too much. I did experience too much lag on JM5, downgraded to JM2 and lag is gone except for LauncherPro, so tried going back to TwLauncher, was happy, and now finding that ADw is a very good launcher in itself.
Bottom line for me is that I wish there were more apps with the same caliber as the App Store's, but it does what I need and more.
darkoroje said:
Actually the reason for limited memory is not Eclair. The amount of memory available is governed by the kernel and the kernel on the Galaxy S supports the full 512MB. However Samsung creates a large ramdisk on /tempfs (160MB) which explains why reported RAM is around 320MB.
As for the fuzzy fonts, this is the result of using PenTile matrix in the display. Just search for PenTile, there are many threads on these and other forums discussing that.
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Can anyone in late Eclair version's confirm the tmpfs theory (one way to do it would be to change the settings I guess so that the tmpfs is bigger, 200mb, and see if the ram drops)
Tachikoma_kun said:
Not without changing the entire screen.
After a while you get used to it, it's just jarring coming from a regular LCD screen.
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It would be better with a non serif font that was a little larger. Surely this is possible?
Look at the the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=762116in the "Android Development" section for more details.
Nirvana388 said:
Don't worry about the battery, it just needs to be broken in, be sure to charge it fully then use it till the phone shuts off then charge fully 3 or 4 times when you first get it. It took mine a week or 2 but now I get a couple days of fairly heavy use out of it compared to half a day when I first got it.
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I'd bet money this is more than just a breaking in problem. The battery drain doesn't drop by 95% (20%->1%) after a few cycles. (more on this later).
The3D said:
Hi guys,
- Battery: another pain. It seems that the phone drains the battery too fast in standby mode. In 6 hours (last night) it drained more than 20% of battery life. This sounds strange to me since many users reported an 1-2% batt synery drain during night. Please note that i killed all the applications and widgets before leaving the phone in standby. The only one thing that i'm unable to kill is the touchwiz UI, since i use launcherpro as default launcher. Do you know any way to kill the touchwiz UI?
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First, let me ask, do you use a task killer other than the touchwiz task manager? Do you let it run at night? If so, stop, this will cause the 20% drain nearly by itself.
Next, look at the apps that you have installed? How many do you have installed? Maybe some are doing some heavy lifting at night when you are sleeping, this is almost definitely a sync and/or app related issue. Download Spare Parts to get more detailed information on your battery drain.
Here's the issue with the battery. First, the easiest way to fix the problem should be juicedefender and ultimatejuice, but it will cost like 1.99 or 2.99. Then set up sync and maybe 3G to go off at these hours.
Cheaper fix: turn sync off at night (I assume this is running, but actually, it might not be, you might just have random data going out). Also, potentially turn 3G data off at night, this actually prevents me from getting any data and that's what I've seen improve my battery life more than anything. ultimatejuice would make this automatic (I think).
I own both the iPhone 4 and SGS, and i agree that black and white text in the iPhone generally looks sharper and more crisp. I had been using the iPhone for about a week before finally being able to acquire the Galaxy S Vibrant off contract, and i really wasn't used to the display for the first day or two. I was surprised because so many people raved about the Super AMOLED screen, yet my eyes were so used to retina display, i was able to notice the pixels on the Galaxy S screen. After the first two days though i got used to it and it looks great to me now. Actually, i had gotten so used to the customizability, as well as the Menu and Back button, and the bigger screen size, the crisper graphics on the iPhone 4 is easily negated.
Anyways, if there is a way to make text look sharper on the SGS that would make it a perfect device for me.
my battery life last very good compared to other phones
i get around a day and half screen brightness full uses for about 5 hours
wifi turned on the entire time and very heavy use
when you first got the phone did you let it drain completely then charge it completely and repeat a few times or do you just plug it in when ever ?
i had the htc legend before and the battery sucked and as for the screen
im very pleased
my bad about the RAM question, must have got mixed up
The3D said:
- Display: the size is awesome, but honestly i found it too much saturated, is there any way to change color saturation? Plus the reading is not that good... the characters, expecially without zoom, look too fuzzy. I have to admit that, imho, readability was better on my old iphone 3g. Someone feels like that? For multimedia, however, this screen is awesome.
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I've directly compared this screen with the HTC Desire (both AMOLED and SLCD), the HTC HD2 and the iPhone 3G & 4.
For me, its definitely up there, but I kind of agree with you on the text, when zoomed out it's not that great. That said I disagree that the iPhone 3G is better on readability - the SGS definitely is better. It's only not that great when compared with an LCD of an equivalent resolution. The HD2, Desire SLCD and especially iPhone 4 (which is stunningly sharp for text). However, its better than the Desire AMOLED.
For general UI use, I'd put both Desires and the HD2 behind the SGS and iPhone.... on the whole between the SGS and iP4 I'd say it was a draw, with both looking very sharp, clear, and colourful - the SGS is more colourful, and larger, but the iP4 is simply sharper.
For viewing pictures and movies, the SGS is clearly the best, with the best constrast, subjective detail levels and plain looks the most impressive. EVERYONE has commented on how good it looks for this. On the iP4, this is its weakness - its small screen, almost-square aspect ratio and slightly duller colours make it far less impressive looking than any of the others.
I'd rank them as thus:-
=1 - SGS
=1 - iPhone 4
3 - HD2
4 - Desire SLCD
5 - Desire AMOLED
The3D said:
- Lags: I can unfortunately notice some random lags while opening application or switching from market to installed apps, even with the oneclick lag fix (512 MB) installed (quadrant reports 2200+ score, if i remember correctly). I was tempted to try the hackheclair cooked rom, any advice about this?
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The lags are disappointing IMO. With JM2, and the internal SD fix (cant even remember the name as there are that many fixes now), it was clearly better than stock, however not all animations are smooth, and there is a definite lag at times, seemingly fairly randomly too.
However, I've largely fixed that... some people seem to doubt autokiller, however, I can say it works for me - I set to strict or aggressive for the best results. I don't know why it works, and I can't argue against those that say it makes things worse, on paper at least, but my experience is different, it DEFINITELY helps.
Also, oddly, turning the GUI animations off too has made a significant difference. I still have the Launcher Pro animations (app drawer and pinch home screen view), and the gallery is still animated, but other GUI animations are disabled, and its a lot snappier, and I dont really miss it.
Now the only lag I get is the browser lag as in the link below, but even then Nicolocopus suggests a later firmware may fix it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764070&highlight=browser+lag
The3D said:
- Battery: another pain. It seems that the phone drains the battery too fast in standby mode. In 6 hours (last night) it drained more than 20% of battery life. This sounds strange to me since many users reported an 1-2% battery drain during night. Please note that i killed all the applications and widgets before leaving the phone in standby. The only one thing that i'm unable to kill is the touchwiz UI, since i use launcherpro as default launcher. Do you know any way to kill the touchwiz UI?
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Battery - the biggest drain IME is the 3G data connection. Make sure when you're in a place with wifi to leave wifi on over the 3G data connection. Make sure the phone isn't set to send the wifi to sleep (wifi sleep policy IIRC) as the data connection will kick in while the phone is asleep. Other than that, some drain through the course of a day is par for the course.
The other thing is the screen, turning down to minimum brightness is actually more than bright enough for indoor use, and seems to make a difference.
As for Launcherpro / Touchwiz, AFAIK once you set LauncherPro as default and then restart your phone, the home screen portion of Touchwiz (TWLauncher) is no longer running. You wont be able to get rid of TW completely unless a custom Vanilla ROM is made. Not all of it is THAT bad though, really.
The3D said:
- Memory: here is my biggest doubt. Shouldn't this phone carry 512 MB of RAM? When i check the running services the application reports a total of 256 MB of RAM. Where is the problem?
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Cant comment other than to say, I dont know about this, so many different "opinions" fly around - all I can say is Samsung advertised it as 512mb RAM, so I think they'd be pretty stupid to give you a phone with LESS RAM than advertised - but you never know, I guess.
alovell83 said:
I'd bet money this is more than just a breaking in problem. The battery drain doesn't drop by 95% (20%->1%) after a few cycles. (more on this later).
First, let me ask, do you use a task killer other than the touchwiz task manager? Do you let it run at night? If so, stop, this will cause the 20% drain nearly by itself.
Next, look at the apps that you have installed? How many do you have installed? Maybe some are doing some heavy lifting at night when you are sleeping, this is almost definitely a sync and/or app related issue. Download Spare Parts to get more detailed information on your battery drain.
Here's the issue with the battery. First, the easiest way to fix the problem should be juicedefender and ultimatejuice, but it will cost like 1.99 or 2.99. Then set up sync and maybe 3G to go off at these hours.
Cheaper fix: turn sync off at night (I assume this is running, but actually, it might not be, you might just have random data going out). Also, potentially turn 3G data off at night, this actually prevents me from getting any data and that's what I've seen improve my battery life more than anything. ultimatejuice would make this automatic (I think).
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Aside from all this... "killing all apps and widgets" does nothing to stop the biggest android battery killer, Google sync. Google sync is always running unless you disable it.
If you really want to see how long your phone lasts in stand by, install APNdroid and disable your data connection before you go to sleep. You will have miniscule battery use during the night if you do this.
The3D said:
Hi guys,
- Lags: I can unfortunately notice some random lags while opening application or switching from market to installed apps, even with the oneclick lag fix (512 MB) installed (quadrant reports 2200+ score, if i remember correctly). I was tempted to try the hackheclair cooked rom, any advice about this?
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I just upgraded to the new official DJG4 firmware and the lag has been reduced alot. It is now no slower in opening apps than my 3GS.
- Battery: another pain. It seems that the phone drains the battery too fast in standby mode. In 6 hours (last night) it drained more than 20% of battery life. This sounds strange to me since many users reported an 1-2% battery drain during night. Please note that i killed all the applications and widgets before leaving the phone in standby. The only one thing that i'm unable to kill is the touchwiz UI, since i use launcherpro as default launcher. Do you know any way to kill the touchwiz UI?
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On the old DJF4 firmware, with 3G and sync on, battery drops by 2% per hour on stand-by. With the new JG4 firmware, it is now 2% drop in 2.5 hours. This is much better compared to my iphone 3GS which loses 10-13% over 7 hours on standby with sync on.
- Memory: here is my biggest doubt. Shouldn't this phone carry 512 MB of RAM? When i check the running services the application reports a total of 256 MB of RAM. Where is the problem?
here are my phone details:
Firmware version JM5
Baseband XXJM3
Oneclick Lagfix applied
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Most software I had report 326Mb total instead of 256Mb. Which variant of sgs phone do you have? I have the galaxy s i9000.
yeah these batteries needs to be drained completely before charging again, else it doesn't hold proper charge
i always push it until the phone turns off (shutdowns completely) itself, then i change the battery pack
i cycle through 3 of them
Bobler420 said:
my battery life last very good compared to other phones
i get around a day and half screen brightness full uses for about 5 hours
wifi turned on the entire time and very heavy use
when you first got the phone did you let it drain completely then charge it completely and repeat a few times or do you just plug it in when ever ?
i had the htc legend before and the battery sucked and as for the screen
im very pleased
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Battery Optimization Discussion Thread
CM9 beta: Android 4.0.3 for Samsung Epic 4G
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its good practice to save battery to turn refresh interval for apps that access the web for updates such as social media, new readers, etc to manual to help save battery life as most of these apps refresh on a pretty regular interval and defiantly eat up alot of battery
If you notice especially high battery drain and recently used your GPS or Camera they can occasionally stay on with no visible signs. Also please remember the battery stats is HIGHLY inaccurate. A Phone reboot usually fixes this.
Never keep apps like Skype, IRC, etc that stay running and keep your CPU on they drain battery especially fast!
One big battery saver is to not wake your phone to just check the time. Let the CPU stay in deep-sleep as long as possible to preserve power until you actually need your phone for something.
One MAJOR thing to save power is DO NOT MESS WITH CPU SETTINGS!
Do not use 3rd party apps like Voltage Control or SetCPU or even the built in Performance settings as modifying the settings will increase the minimum clock to 200MHz which will greatly reduce battery life than NOT messing with them. This is a known issue and will be addressed in a future release!
dyehya said:
One MAJOR thing to save power is DO NOT MESS WITH CPU SETTINGS!
Do not use 3rd party apps like Voltage Control or SetCPU or even the built in Performance settings as modifying the settings will increase the minimum clock to 200MHz which will greatly reduce battery life than NOT messing with them. This is a known issue and will be addressed in a future release!
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If you DO decide to run a custom kernel, (NOT, I repeat NOT recommended or supported by CM9 devs) I'd suggest Control Freak. I ended up with a 200mhz min, and with that app managed to get deep sleep and 100mhz back. WITH uv and some minor oc. My battery life is great.
Head on over to the app thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1072403
Another thing that can save battery, Screen Filter from the Market (Play Store now I guess) can dim our screens lower than the lowest stock increment. Useful for dark environments. (Movies, night outside etc.)
This should be obvious, and has been stated already, but it bears repeating: TURN OFF DATA AND ALL OTHER MODEMS if you're not using them.
Thanks to all the devs and everyone who contributes.
YES!!! It seems a little bit more snappy or is it just me?
And thanks for the advice not to run custom kernels...
Without a doubt, the biggest battery saver for me, is to turn off data until I want to use it.
I simply cannot believe the difference. Makes me think I'm gonna have to go out and get Juice Defender, and let it turn off data when I put the phone to sleep, it is just that dramatic.
I can call text, and play hours of games, and still have the battery have more juice remaining than it did over the same timeframe with just a call or two for usage with the data on.
tabormeister said:
Another thing that can save battery, Screen Filter from the Market (Play Store now I guess) can dim our screens lower than the lowest stock increment. Useful for dark environments. (Movies, night outside etc.)
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Rather than installing an additional app to control brightness, why not just tweak the settings yourself?
System Settings / Display / Automatic Backlight
Check "Use custom" and set a lower Screen dim level. Use "Edit other levels..." to adjust the steps for auto brightness if you use that feature.
This is a fantastic feature if you use the phone in low light conditions.
DCRocks said:
Without a doubt, the biggest battery saver for me, is to turn off data until I want to use it.
I simply cannot believe the difference. Makes me think I'm gonna have to go out and get Juice Defender, and let it turn off data when I put the phone to sleep, it is just that dramatic.
I can call text, and play hours of games, and still have the battery have more juice remaining than it did over the same timeframe with just a call or two for usage with the data on.
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This first and foremost for me.
I took my phone to a basketball game the other night and turned data off. From when I left work to when I got home was about 7 hours, and I didn't plug in for another few hours later and still had some juice. Compare this to last night when I went to class and had my phone in my pocket with 4g on for a few hours, I arrived home and my phone died 15 minutes later. Total time elapsed, 3 hours 46 minutes.
Particularly 4G data is offensive in it's battery consumption.
I have also found that putting the display on Auto Brightness saps my battery. I just adjust it whenever I need to, keeping it on the lowest setting most of the day since I'm inside a lot.
The mmc_delayed_work and deleted_wake_locks are driving me crazy. I know they've been reported as "false blames," but something, whether MMC or otherwise, definitely causes seemingly unnecessary wake locks, and there is a very clear pattern between high report percentage and battery drain.
I don't mean to take away from the optimizations suggested; they're definitely useful if you're looking to stretch the battery life out longer than typical stock capability. But for many of us, something wakes the phone a little too often, and it's very difficult to debug without disabling every single application and testing one at a time.
I guess the point is, has anyone else found a better way to figure out these wake locks?
Why is awake time in Android OS always more than double the display on time? That sounds like serious wake locks. What can I do to reduce that?
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Don't overlook the AudioOut_1 wakelock. Its my number one offender at the moment.
Minimize it by turning off screen selection sounds... System Settings / Sound / Touch sounds.
We need to figure out what the problem is with that.
On the good side, my mmc and deleted wake locks are negligible so far on beta.
Liner81 said:
Don't overlook the AudioOut_1 wakelock. Its my number one offender at the moment.
Minimize it by turning off screen selection sounds... System Settings / Sound / Touch sounds.
We need to figure out what the problem is with that.
On the good side, my mmc and deleted wake locks are negligible so far on beta.
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Same for me. Think due to notification sounds mostly.
muyoso said:
Same for me. Think due to notification sounds mostly.
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That's probably right. The only time I ever see that is playing music without headphones. I almost always have my phone on vibrate
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I get 39 minutes for vbus_present in the 6 hours since unplugged.
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Just want to say THANK YOU for this thread, and THANK YOU for such am awesome rom.
If I might be so bold to suggest, put a section on your page for "If you get worse battery life on this rom than your last rom, it may not be because of a problem with this rom, it may just be that way and there may be nothing that can be done about it because that's just the way it is."
I have had no problems with battery life, fwiw.
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"Without a doubt, the biggest battery saver for me, is to turn off data until I want to use it."
Agreed... Right now 25%, 8 days 8 hours, 3 h 37 m awake, screen on 1 h 43 m
XXCoder said:
"Without a doubt, the biggest battery saver for me, is to turn off data until I want to use it."
Agreed... Right now 25%, 8 days 8 hours, 3 h 37 m awake, screen on 1 h 43 m
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8 days? Airplane mode? Or is your battery over 9000....mah?
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XXCoder said:
"Without a doubt, the biggest battery saver for me, is to turn off data until I want to use it."
Agreed... Right now 25%, 8 days 8 hours, 3 h 37 m awake, screen on 1 h 43 m
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Pics or it didn't happen! And here's a battery tip. Don't install facebook or messenger. Ever.
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Just spend a day with CM9 Beta 0. It's a great rom with lots of promise. Great feel and look, very fast, ICS is fantastic.
That said, the battery life is not there yet. I basically set it up the same way I set up the stock rom. Email on Exchange push notification, EVERYTHING ELSE on manual sync. On a stock rom I usually am at about 40% after 12 hours of moderate use. About 5% drop an hour. On this rom I was at 75% after 2 hours. About 12% an hour. This is with the "stock" 1800 mAh battery.
If the devs can match the battery life of stock GB I'll be back. It really is a great rom, I just can't recharge twice a day, and I'm not carrying around a 3500mAh battery in my pocket either.
Seriously, great work to all the devs who have taken it this far. Looking forward to the next couple releases.
DCRocks said:
Without a doubt, the biggest battery saver for me, is to turn off data until I want to use it.
I simply cannot believe the difference. Makes me think I'm gonna have to go out and get Juice Defender, and let it turn off data when I put the phone to sleep, it is just that dramatic.
I can call text, and play hours of games, and still have the battery have more juice remaining than it did over the same timeframe with just a call or two for usage with the data on.
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I use JD for this and run it in extreme mode, which disables data until you physically enable it yourself (and after you enable it, it will disable again when the screen is off). Using it, I get a huge improvement in battery life, especially on CM9. It's kind of annoying having to enable it everytime you turn the screen back on, especially since it takes 4-5 seconds before data works again, but if it can give me the type of battery life it does, I am all for it. Other than the slightly noticeable lag I get compared to CM7 and other ROMs such as CleanGB (I know I can install supercharger, but I am talking pure stock CM9 here), I have no problems at all. Major props to all the developers involved for breathing new life into our OG Epics.
So since I had my nexus 4, I had to complain about its terrible battery life.
I would never get more than 3h of screen on time, despite my best efforts in conserving battery. Even with the phone in flight mode and on Wifi, I could not cross 3h give or take a few minutes. I even tried disabling location, google now, sync and everything else.
It was deep-sleeping nice, while the screen was off, standby time was awesome for me. If I turned it on though, it started to burn through battery insanely quick. So I started monitoring the frequency states with battery spy, and noticed that as if there was a little load, it spiked to 1026MHz and then stayed there for about three seconds every time before falling back to 386 MHz. So I tried setting the max cpufreq to 916Mhz with CPU tuner, and was astonished to find out, that immediately after the load was done, it went back to the lowest frequency. Like it should be, not hanging for multiple seconds on the high step.
Also, If I start CPU tuner, the min freq is always shown as 1026MHz. So I changed min to 386 and max to 916. Afterwards, this stays until I swipe cpu tuner away from the recent apps list. If I start it again, the settings revert. Strange...
With my cpu limited to 916MHz, I get about 5h and 50 min of screen on time without any other measures. Location on, Wifi on, Google now and sync all active. If I just go one step higher and set my max frequency to 1026, the old behavior starts again, and screen time drops to 3h because it seems to be stuck on that freq. Therefore I would like everybody who also has bad screen time to try that out and report back.
I don't really understand why it would take so long to drop back from the 1GHz step, and drop back immediately from the 0,9GHz step?
Of course, this is with normal surfing via chrome, or using normal apps that are not that much CPU intensive. Also, you hardly notice the performance limitation without playing games. There probably is an easy way to fix this?
Feedback would be appreciated. Maybe I see this wrong...
Thanks
tl;dr : if screen on, for me only 1026mhz is used, if max freq is set to anything lower, the phone spends most of the time at the lowest step 386mhz, greatly increasing screen time for me.
Flash Franco Kernel and buy the app and you'll be set.
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Flash Franco Kernel and buy the app and you'll be set.
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Maybe, but I really first wanted to examine out of the box behavior
This is caused by qualcoms Mpdecision which ramps up the cpu to 1ghz on screen on and touches. All in the name of speed. It's basically a hot plugging technique such that smoothness is guaranteed under loaded gui transitions and scrolling. Before this you would have to wait for the cpu to be loaded for it to ramp up speed. Now the OS can demand speed.
You can see in Franco kernel he replaced Mpdecision with an open source alternative and swapped the lowest cpu speed to 368mhz. Then added a load step of 768mhz (for 60% loads). This actually added a bit of lag but should be better in the battery department. Some more tweaking to be done though.
Qualcoms thermald is what is causing thermal throttling.
Edit: this could be wrong. But I think I'm in the general area of what's going on...
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This does sound logical, but why the hell waste nearly half of the possible screen time on "perfect smoothness" when even if limited to 0,9ghz everything runs pretty amazing... I will look into francos kernel, even though I dont like to buy an app to tune it,
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This does sound logical, but why the hell waste nearly half of the possible screen time on "perfect smoothness" when even if limited to 0,9ghz everything runs pretty amazing... I will look into francos kernel, even though I dont like to buy an app to tune it,
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You don't have to buy an app, everything can be set through scripts. The app just automates the process, allows you to back up kernels, download the latest nightly and milestone (when one becomes available). It's really worth the investment, plus you're helping out a great Dev who has shared his awesome work with us for a long time.
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I like my phone to sleep. I bumped it down to 384!
No need to keep it @ the 1.026, it will pretty much kill battery! Makes no sense to me.
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You can set the max to 384 mhz.. and still everything is smooth
Can I use SetCPU or is that app defunt now? And to change my CPU speeds can that be done on a phone that's simply rooted or do I need a custom kernel?
EDIT: I downloaded CPU tuner, but I'm not sure if it's working or not. Does it work w/ stock kernel or no?
Faux's Intellidemand fixes pretty much what you're describing. Since mpdecision is not used instead of fauxs alternative.
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What is max frequency by default?
Have to say firstly, that the perfect smoothness of this phone is what has sold me on it as the camera is well below average, it has some bugs and the output quality and volume of the audio is shocking, but it is the single smoothest phone out there.
Get rid of what I came to know as Touchboost (feature brought in in jelly bean to introduce the lag free experience of project butter I imagine) from my Sgs3 days, and the phone becomes as laggy as every other android phone out there.
Secondly, I get around 3.5 hours screen on time, without messing about, wifi on constant, depending on whether i'm on the net or not, I can get more.
I find AOKP perfect as its super fast and battery is excellent.
Franko kernel works, but the phone then feels choppy. Setting the cores to 1ghz makes the phone laggy also.
All I can say is, get lots of chargers, I have two at home, two at work, one in the car, one at the other halfs, and it's trickle charging when and if I can and I never worry about battery anyway. I find it wastes far too much life.
Good luck.
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Have to say firstly, that the perfect smoothness of this phone is what has sold me on it as the camera is well below average, it has some bugs and the output quality and volume of the audio is shocking, but it is the single smoothest phone out there.
Get rid of what I came to know as Touchboost (feature brought in in jelly bean to introduce the lag free experience of project butter I imagine) from my Sgs3 days, and the phone becomes as laggy as every other android phone out there.
Secondly, I get around 3.5 hours screen on time, without messing about, wifi on constant, depending on whether i'm on the net or not, I can get more.
I find AOKP perfect as its super fast and battery is excellent.
Franko kernel works, but the phone then feels choppy. Setting the cores to 1ghz makes the phone laggy also.
All I can say is, get lots of chargers, I have two at home, two at work, one in the car, one at the other halfs, and it's trickle charging when and if I can and I never worry about battery anyway. I find it wastes far too much life.
Good luck.
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Thank you for not contributing to this thread with that useless comment. The rest of us may not want to charge the phone 1500 times a day (or are even able to), and are looking for ways to help battery discharge go slower while using the phone. If you're fine with charging your phone nonstop, then what are you doing in this thread? Everyone knows you can buy many chargers, that's not a solution.
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Thank you for not contributing to this thread with that useless comment. The rest of us may not want to charge the phone 1500 times a day (or are even able to), and are looking for ways to help battery discharge go slower while using the phone. If you're fine with charging your phone nonstop, then what are you doing in this thread? Everyone knows you can buy many chargers, that's not a solution.
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Welcome to Project Butter. If you want to do something different than Google's goals for UI smoothness and responsiveness, which is what everyone has been complaining about in Android vs iOS, then you'll have to go the custom ROM/kernel route. Thankfully that is easily available to you on this hardware and software platform. Me? I like the N4 just fine the way it is stock.
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Welcome to Project Butter. If you want to do something different than Google's goals for UI smoothness and responsiveness, which is what everyone has been complaining about in Android vs iOS, then you'll have to go the custom ROM/kernel route. Thankfully that is easily available to you on this hardware and software platform. Me? I like the N4 just fine the way it is stock.
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Dude, this has nothing to do with googles project, but instead with Qualcomms responsivness "fix". Please read the answer to my inital post, and you will understand. Also, the phone does in no way feel choppy if you restict it to .9ghz. Except if you load it so much, that it cant cope with this max frequency. But then again, this is not the issue, but the issue is, that 1026 stays active for to long, so that it burns through your battery. There would be only a small change needed to change this behavior, and "possibly" loosing about a fraction of a second of responsivness, that most of the time you wouldnt even notice... Everybody who tells me he is happy with barely 3h of screen time or even less is just the android equivalent of an isheep, because this is in no way acceptable.
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Dude, this has nothing to do with googles project, but instead with Qualcomms responsivness "fix". Please read the answer to my inital post, and you will understand. Also, the phone does in no way feel choppy if you restict it to .9ghz. Except if you load it so much, that it cant cope with this max frequency. But then again, this is not the issue, but the issue is, that 1026 stays active for to long, so that it burns through your battery. There would be only a small change needed to change this behavior, and "possibly" loosing about a fraction of a second of responsivness, that most of the time you wouldnt even notice... Everybody who tells me he is happy with barely 3h of screen time or even less is just the android equivalent of an isheep, because this is in no way acceptable.
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I'm getting around 4-5. Auto brightness, 1 Gmail push, 1 touchdown push, Google now on, HD widgets weather, greader pro syncing, falcon pro syncing, all location services on (I like the monthly reports). Wi-Fi when I can.
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I'm getting around 4-5. Auto brightness, 1 Gmail push, 1 touchdown push, Google now on, HD widgets weather, greader pro syncing, falcon pro syncing, all location services on (I like the monthly reports). Wi-Fi when I can.
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What kernel are u using? Im using franco kernel + latest CM 10.1 nightly.
My min CPU speed is 1 GHz and in still getting 4 hours on screen time though. I don't think setting my min at 384 MHz even made much difference in my battery, will try it again soon.
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What kernel are u using? Im using franco kernel + latest CM 10.1 nightly.
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Stock never rooted bootloader still locked.
If you are getting bad battery... simply flash a custom kernel. You get to keep your stock ROM or whatever but you will get substantial benefits. I prefer Trinity Kernel. Only the second or third update on this kernel and now the phone has made huge gains in battery life. Like hfm, I good on screen time... usually 5-5.5. I have auto brightness on, mobile on 100% of the time, and all Google services synced including books, gmail, currents, google now, etc etc. I have locations on, gps on... everything. Sometimes I turn off NFC because I rarely am somewhere where I can use those cool RFID card scanners. What sucks battery is probably a problem in Android 4.2. The phone does not sleep as much as it should. Go ahead and turn all your sync stuff off and keep the screen on static and let the battery die at stock clock speeds. Probably will get at least 5 hours with auto-brightness on. My phone probably sleeps 60% of the time now according to CPU spy when it sits idle in my car for my 8-10 hour work day. I usually get to the car with a bunch of emails, a text or two waiting for me, and the phone has only been asleep the aforementioned 60% and around 90-91% battery life. On a new phone, starting from full charge, this should be at least 95%. My N10 that doesn't have mobile data, only loses about 1% overnight. Apples to oranges but still. I'm convinced that stock voltages on this device are too high, and that Qualcomm did not give Google the latest drivers... maybe because it's not releasable to AOSP as of yet. I really don't know, but it's gotta be something buggy. This SoC is capable of doing better... and it does in the Optimus G and even with sense, 1080p screen, and a 100mah smaller battery the HTC Droid DNA/Butterfly gets 3.5-4 hours stock screen time. None of the other phones using the S4 Pro are running 4.2. I'm hoping either Qualcomm pulls a Samsung and releases some updated drivers/firmware that Google can incorporate or that Google fixes whatever bugs they may have not worked out. In the next calendar year other phones will be out that use the S4 Pro and 4.2 and I doubt Qualcomm wants to lose the luster it earned with the regular S4 Kraits performance/efficiency. When 4.2 comes to other devices we will probably know whether or not Google is to blame for this or that the Nexus 4 is just a poor performer.
One thing that has always bothered me is how quickly (relatively) the battery drains on any android phone i've had in the past 6 years when typing. I can read articles, scroll webpages and whatnot for hours...but if I'm having a heavy day of instant messaging, my battery drains much faster. This makes sense due to way that this phone and most android phones ship with the ondemand governor. Just to test, and you can try this too, in better battery stats or some other app that can monitor CPU speeds, set a custom reference and then type for one minute in a note keeping app or an instant messaging app. Then go back and check. What you'll find is that the CPU frequency stays at max 80% of the time or more, because the screen is being touched the entire time. So to me, that is horribly inefficient.
I went ahead and bought an iPhone 6s to try to see if iOS handles typing better, and it does. I can get about 6-7 minutes of nonstop typing before the battery drops 1%, whereas on mine it can be anywhere from a minute and half to 3 minutes tops.
I want to see if I can clamp down on this so I found this post but it's very specific to the Nexus 5x: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3269557/page51
What do you guys think? I'm not nearly well versed in this kind of stuff so I need some help. Let me know!
I agree, it's a very crude and inefficient way of doing it. Android is designed for maximum fluidity so they assume that every time you touch the screen the cpu will be put under load, thus the cpu ramps of the frequency - this is commonly known as touchboost. If you have a custom kernel like dorimanx you can modify it to lower the touchboost frequency and various settings so it could potentially lower battery usage during input. Although I don't know if it's worth it considering all of the various potential problems that go along with such a kernel..
iOS and android are so fundamentally different that I doubt you can (easily)modify it to perform like ios in a given workload. However, each manufacturer has their own flavor of android so they may be optimized differently. Either try several different models or just go with an iphone since you've tried it and seemed to like it - or you could always wait for android n which will hopefully be more clever and efficient..
you could try intellimn this stays at lower freq, when more power its needed it boots to higher frequencies. that along with allucard hotplug. should save battery this is with dorimanx kernel.
with ondemand its the same. or if you want more lower use smartassv2
I returned the iPhone. The fact that it doesn't repeat notifications for missed calls is abhorrent to me. I need to be able to glance at my phone and know that I've missed a call with the screen lighting up every few seconds or a LED light.
So I'm definitely sticking with the G2 for now.
If I install another kernel to give me more governor options, how difficult is it to put back the stock AT&T lollipop kernel? Can I back it up first in any way?
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I returned the iPhone. The fact that it doesn't repeat notifications for missed calls is abhorrent to me. I need to be able to glance at my phone and know that I've missed a call with the screen lighting up every few seconds or a LED light.
So I'm definitely sticking with the G2 for now.
If I install another kernel to give me more governor options, how difficult is it to put back the stock AT&T lollipop kernel? Can I back it up first in any way?
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One thing that has always bothered me is how quickly (relatively) the battery drains on any android phone i've had in the past 6 years when typing. I can read articles, scroll webpages and whatnot for hours...but if I'm having a heavy day of instant messaging, my battery drains much faster. This makes sense due to way that this phone and most android phones ship with the ondemand governor. Just to test, and you can try this too, in better battery stats or some other app that can monitor CPU speeds, set a custom reference and then type for one minute in a note keeping app or an instant messaging app. Then go back and check. What you'll find is that the CPU frequency stays at max 80% of the time or more, because the screen is being touched the entire time. So to me, that is horribly inefficient.
I went ahead and bought an iPhone 6s to try to see if iOS handles typing better, and it does. I can get about 6-7 minutes of nonstop typing before the battery drops 1%, whereas on mine it can be anywhere from a minute and half to 3 minutes tops.
I want to see if I can clamp down on this so I found this post but it's very specific to the Nexus 5x: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/guide-advanced-interactive-governor-t3269557/page51
What do you guys think? I'm not nearly well versed in this kind of stuff so I need some help. Let me know!
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So this is not a scientific test at all, but I usually will use whatsapp for messaging nonstop during my 1 hour lunch at work. No browsing or anything else is usually included in that. I have a few conversations going so I'm typing and getting messages non stop. Previously that would decrease the battery by 22% or so. Now by switching my governor to interactive and making tweaks to it using EX Kernel Manager, with this it's down to 14%. I will admit there is some minor stutter when first turning on the screen with the settings I'm using so I'm sure I need to keep tweaking but my main concern is the battery life while typing.
Previously as I mentioned if I'm typing, the CPU speed would go up to max and stay there until I'm done typing for a few seconds. Now with these tweaks my CPU speed barely goes up above 960 MHz...most of the time it's between 640 or 883. I think that's the reason I'm getting 4 to 4.3 minutes of screen time now while typing instead of getting anywhere between 1 and 1/2 minute or 3 at best while typing.
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So this is not a scientific test at all, but I usually will use whatsapp for messaging nonstop during my 1 hour lunch at work. No browsing or anything else is usually included in that. I have a few conversations going so I'm typing and getting messages non stop. Previously that would decrease the battery by 22% or so. Now by switching my governor to interactive and making tweaks to it using EX Kernel Manager, with this it's down to 14%. I will admit there is some minor stutter when first turning on the screen with the settings I'm using so I'm sure I need to keep tweaking but my main concern is the battery life while typing.
Previously as I mentioned if I'm typing, the CPU speed would go up to max and stay there until I'm done typing for a few seconds. Now with these tweaks my CPU speed barely goes up above 960 MHz...most of the time it's between 640 or 883. I think that's the reason I'm getting 4 to 4.3 minutes of screen time now while typing instead of getting anywhere between 1 and 1/2 minute or 3 at best while typing.
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if you use smartassv2 its lower.
so, it seems that whenever I'm out, my phone is slow as all hell. I'm at the store yesterday, and i pull my phone out of my pocket to take a picture of something for future reference. I hit down volume twice to launch camera... so it takes about 8 seconds just for the screen to pop on, and another 8 or so seconds before I can actually click the shutter to take a shot. so, that's annoying. but then, I wanted to Google search something while I was there, so the phones already awake mind you, so i hit home, open Google, this takes another like 7 seconds, and then going to type in the box takes another 5 for swiftkey to even pop up.
I don't understand. it's like, when I'm not home, my phone gets laggy as hell. when the phones plugged in, it gets laggy as hell. now I'm coming from an s7, aka a lag machine, but this thing is starting to annoy me to the point where I'm ready to throw it.
I've recently even factory reset and started fresh and it still happens. it's as if when you wake the phone, doze is just taking forever to ramp the processor speed back up. it's like it's limited to a low speed so there's tons of lag. when I'm using the phone for a while it's fine, but that experience seriously made me want to whip this phone at the ground.
so now it's like, i don't want samsung bc of lag, i'm starting to not want LG because of lag. who the hell else makes a decent android phone now that's actually fast!?
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This is something that comes with using Android unfortunately. There is no solution.
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doze sucks. honestly, I get no better battery life now than I did on my note 4 running what, lollipop, and the same size battery. they didn't have doze back then, and it ran better. doze was such a bad programming decision bc it does absolutely nothing for battery, and just makes the phone slow as hell whenever you wake it.
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Same thing here. My battery life is so BAD, yesterday not doing anything but standby and checking a few things, 10m 37 sec screen on time, 7+ hours off charge from 100%, it was at 21%. Lags like crazy from time to time. When, it gets like this I pull the battery for about 5-10 minutes and it seems to work fine for awhile. One other thing that has happened, is my data signal sucks, which is probably the cause for the extensive battery drain. I put in new SIM card, no change. I have seen where others are experiencing the same thing. It was a good phone, until about 2 months ago and all this has started, very frustrating. Note 8 can't get here fast enough.
If you guys aren't getting better battery during standby then you guys have a problem like a rogue app or conflict cause standby drain on this phone is nigh non-existent compared to older phones like note 4. Usage when screen is on is pretty much identical to older phones though.
In relation to topic I do get random lag sometimes which does annoy me but my brother gets random lag on his stock unrooted Nexus 6p as well and id be willing to bet that the high and mighty note 8 is going to suffer from random lag as well.
Just depends on how often you are experiencing this lag. It happens pretty rarely for me and usually only when is really hot out.
the other day at my new job the phone drained like crazy just idling in the drawer. like 30 percent from 7am to 1230pm. it was awful. I noticed my signal was super low in gsam during that time though, which sucks. not sure what I'm gonna do about that.
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I bought this phone after changing over from Verizon to T-Mobile. My note 4 was really reliable and somewhat compatible with T-Mobile, but it didn't support some of the bands. Anyway, I immediately noticed the lag on this phone when compared to my Note 4.
After messing with several settings and doing a lot of reading online, I decided to try a different launcher and it made a huge difference. I'm currently using Nova Launcher. It takes a while to set it up exactly how you want it. I still found it a little laggy, but instead of the 7 seconds it took to open apps, it would take about 3. I then went into developer options and changed window animation scale, transition animation scale, and animator duration scale from 1x to .5x and apps now open and close almost instantly.
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I bought this phone after changing over from Verizon to T-Mobile. My note 4 was really reliable and somewhat compatible with T-Mobile, but it didn't support some of the bands. Anyway, I immediately noticed the lag on this phone when compared to my Note 4.
After messing with several settings and doing a lot of reading online, I decided to try a different launcher and it made a huge difference. I'm currently using Nova Launcher. It takes a while to set it up exactly how you want it. I still found it a little laggy, but instead of the 7 seconds it took to open apps, it would take about 3. I then went into developer options and changed window animation scale, transition animation scale, and animator duration scale from 1x to .5x and apps now open and close almost instantly.
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So how do you like the V20 now compared to the Note 4?
Agree even if can be hard to completely abandon your favorite launchers & some live wallpapers it's worth experimenting with other launchers-wallpapers & you could first try turning off those 3 animations in developer options to make it feel snappy or if you like them change them to .5x as suggested by Archangel1183. For laughs you could try all 3 animations to 10x :laugh:before turning them off or down as low as you like.:good:
Any of you all with Sprint. If so I have sinking suspicion their crappy over saturated network is the cause of most of the lag.
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nah, Verizon here. and i don't think it has anything to do with the launcher.. i've been using nova since day 1.
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so, it seems that whenever I'm out, my phone is slow as all hell. I'm at the store yesterday, and i pull my phone out of my pocket to take a picture of something for future reference. I hit down volume twice to launch camera... so it takes about 8 seconds just for the screen to pop on, and another 8 or so seconds before I can actually click the shutter to take a shot. so, that's annoying. but then, I wanted to Google search something while I was there, so the phones already awake mind you, so i hit home, open Google, this takes another like 7 seconds, and then going to type in the box takes another 5 for swiftkey to even pop up.
I don't understand. it's like, when I'm not home, my phone gets laggy as hell. when the phones plugged in, it gets laggy as hell. now I'm coming from an s7, aka a lag machine, but this thing is starting to annoy me to the point where I'm ready to throw it.
I've recently even factory reset and started fresh and it still happens. it's as if when you wake the phone, doze is just taking forever to ramp the processor speed back up. it's like it's limited to a low speed so there's tons of lag. when I'm using the phone for a while it's fine, but that experience seriously made me want to whip this phone at the ground.
so now it's like, i don't want samsung bc of lag, i'm starting to not want LG because of lag. who the hell else makes a decent android phone now that's actually fast!?
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doze sucks. honestly, I get no better battery life now than I did on my note 4 running what, lollipop, and the same size battery. they didn't have doze back then, and it ran better. doze was such a bad programming decision bc it does absolutely nothing for battery, and just makes the phone slow as hell whenever you wake it.
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the other day at my new job the phone drained like crazy just idling in the drawer. like 30 percent from 7am to 1230pm. it was awful. I noticed my signal was super low in gsam during that time though, which sucks. not sure what I'm gonna do about that.
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nah, Verizon here. and i don't think it has anything to do with the launcher.. i've been using nova since day 1.
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Just reread your original post & that does sound like crazy lag, are you saying when you're home (probably on Wi-Fi &/or with better signal?) not plugged in, the lag is dramatically less only or mainly getting that crazy lag when not in that environment?
How often do you reboot & what apps do you typically have running? Did turning off those aforementioned animations make it more snappy?
If you think it's doze you could try http://www.tomsguide.com/faq/id-3026187/disable-doze-android-marshmallow.html
Have you tried a different battery to see if it makes a difference on your battery drain, anyone recommend one like https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MR3NHAK ?
Did you buy your V20 online or could you pop in a Verizon store to see if an exchanged replacement makes a difference?
yeah its mainly when I'm out and actually need to use it quickly, that's when it lags the most lol go figure. I'll check out that doze link. the battery itself is fine... usually it doesn't drain like crazy, but my new job is a metal building so it's awful on the signal. gotta airplane mode it! I have a us996 so I never played with any other version before.
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I have found on my T-Mobile variant that if I run a AOSP ROM the lag is less noticeable and most of the time is less frequent.
Do you have Facebook and messenger? Uninstall them both and see what happens in a day. Also, are you rooted?
rooted yes, Facebook dear god no.
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Install magisk latest beta and try crossbreader in the downloads of magisk manager. It removed all signs of lag for me.
When I had this problem is was the wi-fi trying constantly to connect to every router in the area. I set smart manager to automatically turn wi-fi off when I leave home and back on when I return and haven't had a problem since.
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rooted yes, Facebook dear god no.
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You might want to double check as I have the T-Mobile variant and stock rom came with Facebook already installed. After disabling that and Lookout, it ran a lot better. Think there is actually a thread on here somewhere about those 2 apps lagging up the device
nah I've deleted Facebook immediately when rooted.
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you probably have frozen or disabled some apps that causes the lag. I actaully did a backup first before trying to uninstall or disable that looks bloatware to me. I disabled some LG bloatware apps that causes lag on my phone and camera. I don't know which is which but then I manage to install back my backup and start all over again.