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Saw this yesterday. Looks like the 7.7 appears to be on the way.
For those of you like me who have recently picked up the 7.0 plus... What are your thoughts on this? I am happy with my 7+ but the 7.7 is what I was originally waiting for.
www.engadget.com/2011/12/16/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-rolls-through-the-fcc-packing-verizon-fri/
GaresTaylan said:
Saw this yesterday. Looks like the 7.7 appears to be on the way.
For those of you like me who have recently picked up the 7.0 plus... What are your thoughts on this? I am happy with my 7+ but the 7.7 is what I was originally waiting for.
www.engadget.com/2011/12/16/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-rolls-through-the-fcc-packing-verizon-fri/
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Doesn't the 7.7 run on the tegra 2?
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Doesn't the 7.7 run on the tegra 2?
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Pretty sure it's a dual-core 1.4ghz xynos.
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7.0+ best device in the right now inthe world. 7.7 will top it. Would love to trade my 7.0 plus for it. Maybe soon...
chrisrotolo said:
7.0+ best device in the right now inthe world. 7.7 will top it. Would love to trade my 7.0 plus for it. Maybe soon...
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Like you I was strongly attracted to the 7.7 when I was in the market to buy. At that time, no word when/if we'd get it here. And imports were $600 and up. Bought the Gt 7+ and have not looked back since.
Gotta say yes, the larger screen (not by much ), AMOLED quality (very nice) and slightly faster processor makes a very attractive package.
But....
Our community here is growing (not light speed but still), we have root and CWM (thanks gary9d), more than a few recognized devs are following here and there are a selection of cases/sleeves with more on the way.
Who is to say the aftermarket accessories manufacturers will embrace SO MANY different "flavors" of GTab (7.0, 7.0+, 7.7, 8.9, 10.1 and perhaps an 11.0?) I'm doubtful myself.
Keep thinking...."a bird in hand is worth two in the bush"
Most likely I am staying with my GTab 7+. But YMMV
skeeterpro said:
Like you I was strongly attracted to the 7.7 when I was in the market to buy. At that time, no word when/if we'd get it here. And imports were $600 and up. Bought the Gt 7+ and have not looked back since.
Gotta say yes, the larger screen (not by much ), AMOLED quality (very nice) and slightly faster processor makes a very attractive package.
But....
Our community here is growing (not light speed but still), we have root and CWM (thanks gary9d), more than a few recognized devs are following here and there are a selection of cases/sleeves with more on the way.
Who is to say the aftermarket accessories manufacturers will embrace SO MANY different "flavors" of GTab (7.0, 7.0+, 7.7, 8.9, 10.1 and perhaps an 11.0?) I'm doubtful myself.
Keep thinking...."a bird in hand is worth two in the bush"
Most likely I am staying with my GTab 7+. But YMMV
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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but there are quite a few more upgrades on the 7.7 over the 7.0 Plus. Bigger battery (5100mAh vs 4000mAh), thinner, lighter, 64GB option, and as you mentioned better display all around - Super AMOLED Plus, higher resolution at 1280 x 800, and larger at 7.7 inches. The only sacrifice really is that it's ever so slightly taller and wider in dimensions, and probably will cost a bit more. I wouldn't underestimate the number of people holding out for the 7.7, I think the dev community will be strong, and I suspect it will have support for CyanogenMod 9.
Although as with all electronics something better will always be just around the corner, as rumors are swirling of a Galaxy Tab 8.3 in the works (Super AMOLED Plus, quad core 1.5GHz, Ice Cream Sandwich), so if you decide to stick with the 7.0 Plus no one is stopping you from enjoying it to the fullest!
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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but there are quite a few more upgrades on the 7.7 over the 7.0 Plus. Bigger battery (5100mAh vs 4000mAh), thinner, lighter, 64GB option, and as you mentioned better display all around - Super AMOLED Plus, higher resolution at 1280 x 800, and larger at 7.7 inches. The only sacrifice really is that it's ever so slightly taller and wider in dimensions, and probably will cost a bit more. I wouldn't underestimate the number of people holding out for the 7.7, I think the dev community will be strong, and I suspect it will have support for CyanogenMod 9.
Although as with all electronics something better will always be just around the corner, as rumors are swirling of a Galaxy Tab 8.3 in the works (Super AMOLED Plus, quad core 1.5GHz, Ice Cream Sandwich), so if you decide to stick with the 7.0 Plus no one is stopping you from enjoying it to the fullest!
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You're right, thanks! I forgot about the battery.
Quite right that there's always "something better" just around the corner. If one were to wait for the next best thing, one would never get anything I suspect. As long as whatever you gets does what you want, it's all good.
It's can be a crap-shoot on community support. Samsung devices have the reputation for quality hence usually a good following. That said, I believe that people who gravitate to forums like this tend to be more tech-centric than the majority of tab users. I do wonder though as I read several articles (trades and users) praising the 7+ but somewhat negative mentions about the price. I am curious just how high Android tabs will be able to fetch. Granted, it's my belief that even the $499 iPad is over priced by at least $100 but I wonder if the $400 price point might be the "sweet spot" for full-featured tabs regardless of size? I'm not a "gamer" so my power needs are modest.
This is my first Samsung tab and I am impressed. But so many screen size choices? Price and not so much screen size/features, I suspect, will drive many sales. Witness B&N and Amazon. I confess I am sure I'll be comparing at BB the 7.7 and other screens when it hits!
Isnt the 7.7 going to be starting at $600? The upgrades look good but im not sure if its an extra $200 good.
The 7.0+ is already a damn good tablet.
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Isnt the 7.7 going to be starting at $600? The upgrades look good but im not sure if its an extra $200 good.
The 7.0+ is already a damn good tablet.
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Well we still don't know what the official prices are going to be, the sites that are offering pre-orders are pretty much just making up their own prices. I have heard however the official price in Australia will be $579 for the 16GB and $649 for the 32GB, and that's in AUD. Looking at the iPad 2 prices in AUD they are almost identical, and we don't know if these prices are for the WiFi or 3G/4G model, but I would suspect the 7.7 will be between $450-500 for the 16GB WiFi model in the US.
Can't wait to see it and compare it with my 7+. Size is my main concern, 7.7 is quite long and wider. If a device is too big, I cant really bring it out whenever I like. Not So useful and convenient like 7 inch tablet too. I once had a larger tablet and I almost left it everyday at my home, sold it at last. Anyway, 7.7 is worth waiting.
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Hi. Im new to this part of xda. And this is somewhat bothersome news as I just bought my plus today. First tablet in some time that made me think wow. I have an ipad now. Owned the Transformer and Dell Streak 5 and 7. I was going to wait until spring.g to see the new XOOM, ipad3, and TF Prime but decided after seeing this I thought this could last awhile before going down in price.
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I'm keeping my plus...
I don't think the upgrades from the 7.7 are worth it.
It will be really disappointing if we never get any good roms... But I'm mostly happy with root as it is.
Anyone who wants to sell The Galaxy Tab 7.7 can write me an PM! But I want it this year in Germany I would Pay 1000 Euros Cash!!!
I am very attracted to the 7.7 personally. Have an 8.9 that I'm planning on selling very soon. (Tegra 2 just plain sucks compared to Exynos frankly), and though it's a nice form factor, it's not for me. No phone calling ability is a big downer too; I like being able to swap my SIM card between my original Tab and phone depending on the situation.
Have the Note too, but not sure if I will keep it or not. Waiting to see what ICS will be like on it. Could be amazing, or could just be "meh." If it's not that much better, may sell my Note too and just stick to an SGS2/7.7 combo.
Then again, CES is right around the corner, so maybe it may be worth waiting longer still depending on what else may be coming out for 2012!
But oh that 7.7 sure looks nice... Damn, I'm such a consumer whore
My main reason for buying the 7+ is because it's quite versatile. I don't want to be lugging around a phone, tablet and laptop with me along with their respective accessories and chargers all day so I opted to buy the 7+. This means I can use my ultraportable for serious computing (negating the need to carry the charger), and the tablet for all my communication needs plus some light gaming, reading or browsing.
So it doesn't have the largest battery, or the best resolution, or the latest and greatest processor; but, it's got a large enough screen to comfortably read eBooks, browse the interwebs, and pretty much everything else. It's got decent enough performance (better than decent, actually) to handle all the apps I want + sd card expansion. And most importantly (for me), it doubles as a phone.
I know I look silly when I take calls on it, but I'm okay with that. Like the famous philosopher Jagger once said 'you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need'.
I love the 8.9 and initially wanted to get that, but in the end telephone capabilities and sd card expansion won out over a larger,more gorgeous screen.
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jollygoon said:
My main reason for buying the 7+ is because it's quite versatile. I don't want to be lugging around a phone, tablet and laptop with me along with their respective accessories and chargers all day so I opted to buy the 7+. This means I can use my ultraportable for serious computing (negating the need to carry the charger), and the tablet for all my communication needs plus some light gaming, reading or browsing.
So it doesn't have the largest battery, or the best resolution, or the latest and greatest processor; but, it's got a large enough screen to comfortably read eBooks, browse the interwebs, and pretty much everything else. It's got decent enough performance (better than decent, actually) to handle all the apps I want + sd card expansion. And most importantly (for me), it doubles as a phone.
I know I look silly when I take calls on it, but I'm okay with that. Like the famous philosopher Jagger once said 'you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need'.
I love the 8.9 and initially wanted to get that, but in the end telephone capabilities and sd card expansion won out over a larger,more gorgeous screen.
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Do you have a non wifi version? I got my 7+ yesterday and cant find a dialer on it
I am pickinmg my 7.7 wifi up tomorrow from **** Smith in Australia - can't wait, been wanting a tablet for ages. I had originally ordered a Transformer Prime until Amazon canceled the order. But this is the tablet I really wanted.
I don't know. I mean, I was planing to get the 7+ near the end of this month. I know that the screen and whatnot is better or the 7.7, but I seriously don't know if I would like the better screen or use the maybe bit more charge from it having a bigger battery to spend $200 more then what I was planing on spending.
I'm afraid that 7.7 might still have the Black stains/blotches on the screen, just like in S II. When viewing on dark room.
So no specific release date or price? If its not much more in price than the 7 plus and coming out fairly soon id like to return mine and wait for the 7.7
I am a Note II owner and love the phone. Then I really felt like buying an Android tablet. I went and got me Asus Transformer Infinity yesterday & boy Do I regret!! I just put an ad to sell it 100$ off price just to get rid of it & get a Note 10.1 !
Here's what pissed me off. Its a ***** to get the bootloader unlocked. You gotta use Asus unlocker tool & their servers dont respond. its been 48 hrs almost and still no luck.
Theres like only 1 or 2 costume roms available for it and for that this needs to be unlocked.
What pissed me off most that it had only 1gig ram. I thought since it was pricier then a Note 10.1 then its probably at least the same specs.
And damn is it laggy! I guess it could be the ICS' fault and that the JB for it will be smoother but right now it cant be compared to smoothnes of my Note phone at all!
The charger connector is also not standard mini usb which sux and the keyboard for it is too pricey!
One thing I was really looking for was to play Tegra 3 games on it & of the 5 games I tried only 1 was not buggy!
anyways... from what Ive seen from the Note 10.1 dev forum it looks just as promising as my NoteII.
so if anyone here thinks I am making a mistake or something I missed plz let me know.
donno why I even bothered buying this. I was so happy with my Note2. It would have been logical to get another galaxy product!
It was an expensive lesson I even ordered a screen protector for it which costs 30bux inc shipping!
I think you're making the right decision, but....
You should know that the Note 10.1 also doesn't use a mini-usb plug. It's also proprietary.
Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
I would wait.
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is. Based on your post,
you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand. Keep in mind:
The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
blud7 said:
Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
I would wait.
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is. Based on your post,
you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand. Keep in mind:
The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
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That's a bit of an overstatement?
No one is saying the Note 10.1 is perfect.
Well, about the lag, the Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all - yes, I'm not saying this just because I own one, it's because it doesn't lag at all.
It's fast and fluid, and with the correct use, it will blaze at an amazing speed.
It has already many custom ROM's available and it's hack-friendly. Samsung releases the open-source very often for their devices.
Oh, and about the updates, Samsung was actually quick to bring in Jelly Bean. It makes your Note 10.1 be twice as fast (in some cases).
You can also have a plethora of keyboards (non-OEM) that are cheap, and some even turn to be covers as well.
All in all, it's a pretty nice buy, but if the non-standard charger/connector is a no-GO, then it's a don't buy this. This tab uses the proprietary connector.
ricardosteve said:
That's a bit of an overstatement?
No one is saying the Note 10.1 is perfect.
Well, about the lag, the Note 10.1 doesn't lag at all - yes, I'm not saying this just because I own one, it's because it doesn't lag at all.
It's fast and fluid, and with the correct use, it will blaze at an amazing speed.
It has already many custom ROM's available and it's hack-friendly. Samsung releases the open-source very often for their devices.
Oh, and about the updates, Samsung was actually quick to bring in Jelly Bean. It makes your Note 10.1 be twice as fast (in some cases).
You can also have a plethora of keyboards (non-OEM) that are cheap, and some even turn to be covers as well.
All in all, it's a pretty nice buy, but if the non-standard charger/connector is a no-GO, then it's a don't buy this. This tab uses the proprietary connector.
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+1 on that add also the multiwindow option /svoice /airview /front stereo speakers and n8000 model can do gsm calls and allot more, i used note II for like a week before buying note 10.1 and personally i think spen on 10.1 is some what more senstive and more ergonomic, something to note also the spen can work as a mouse in web browser to review links, etc and scroll
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did you vote yes or no ?
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+1 on that add also the multiwindow option /svoice /airview /front stereo speakers and n8000 model can do gsm calls and allot more, i used note II for like a week before buying note 10.1 and personally i think spen on 10.1 is some what more senstive and more ergonomic, something to note also the spen can work as a mouse in web browser to review links, etc and scroll
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did you vote yes or no ?
I got my Note last Friday and can say that I love it. The quad core and 2GB of RAM keeps it fast and responsive, something I can't say about my first gen Android tablet that this replaces. I'''ll upgrade my Android phone next year once I see which LTE may come to my area; however, I know it will have similar specs to the Note.
toofank said:
I am a Note II owner and love the phone. Then I really felt like buying an Android tablet. I went and got me Asus Transformer Infinity yesterday & boy Do I regret!! I just put an ad to sell it 100$ off price just to get rid of it & get a Note 10.1 !
Here's what pissed me off. Its a ***** to get the bootloader unlocked. You gotta use Asus unlocker tool & their servers dont respond. its been 48 hrs almost and still no luck.
Theres like only 1 or 2 costume roms available for it and for that this needs to be unlocked.
What pissed me off most that it had only 1gig ram. I thought since it was pricier then a Note 10.1 then its probably at least the same specs.
And damn is it laggy! I guess it could be the ICS' fault and that the JB for it will be smoother but right now it cant be compared to smoothnes of my Note phone at all!
The charger connector is also not standard mini usb which sux and the keyboard for it is too pricey!
One thing I was really looking for was to play Tegra 3 games on it & of the 5 games I tried only 1 was not buggy!
anyways... from what Ive seen from the Note 10.1 dev forum it looks just as promising as my NoteII.
so if anyone here thinks I am making a mistake or something I missed plz let me know.
donno why I even bothered buying this. I was so happy with my Note2. It would have been logical to get another galaxy product!
It was an expensive lesson I even ordered a screen protector for it which costs 30bux inc shipping!
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I'm done with ASUS, too...
TF700 has a superb display, and thats about it...mine was laggy,too. OTA wouldn't work, so i did an unlock using ASUS's unlock-tool, tried to update with TWRP and downloaded update.zip - would't work either but kept the tablet in a bootloop. ASUS of course refuses warranty because unlock, tries to charge me repaircosts 90% of a brandnew device - come on guys, kidding??? Sold the keyboard, bought the note 8010, fast and smooth with root and Team Union Jelly Bean...an expensive lesson for me, too...
I'm not bashing the Note. I have the phone and the tab as well and love both.
I'm commenting on the op's qualms about the choice he made, which he regrets.
All I'm saying is the op obviously didn't do any research before buying. Some of the
stuff he hates about the Asus TF are also present with the Note. Which means he
is still making the same mistake of not researching.
The reason I said he should keep it is cuz he seems to be guilt-tripping over a perfectly
good purchase. That and he's going to sell his perfectly good tab and be out $100 bucks
because of it.
And you're making a point of there being cheaper docks for the Note 10.1.
Cheaper dock options are also available for the TF700.
And no, the note does NOT have LOTS of ROMs but dev is heading there. On that subject
I was saying that if he waits, dev will get better for the TF.There are ~20 custom ROMs
on xda for the TF700 and less than ten for the Note 10.1. Two or three for the WiFi only devices.
I still also maintain that Samsung drags its feet when it comes to updates.
The TF had JB since October. As of writing this there still is no JB for the N8013, no
leak, no official. Asus is in fact known for their frequent updates.
The tab has quality control issues as I well. I had to return the first one I bought since
the screen was defective. If you read up, this very forum will confirm that I was not alone
in this. Some report lag with the software. Asus is well known for having poor quality
control though.
With all that said, I considered both tabs when buying, did my research and bought the
Note. I love the one I have now and don't regret it at all. It is amazingly good despite any reviews
saying this or that is better.
I've had both and the Note is a better choice (for me at least). A lot less lag and more options. I have the OG note for my phone and have it running stock android. I much prefer touchwiz on the 10.1. Multi window is awesome and I actually use the IR blaster a lot more than I thought I would. Lots of cool features that vanilla android doesn't offer. I vote Note
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Since the Note and N10 have come out the TF700 forum has become a ghost town. Picture tumbleweed. Scott Crossler, the magician who made the TF700 usable, is no longer supporting it. Others are trying to keep up his work but picture "Otto Pilot" from the movie Airplane. Asus has done little or no marketing for the TF700 and it's just sort of floating out there. Asus’ Q3 sales of 10.1" tablets was actually down year-over-year.
Here's my elevator conversation summary of the three most talked about Android tablets:
Note 10.1 - It's the most complete tablet available (any OS) and has unique features like multiview, inking via a Wacom digitizer with palm rejection, S-Note, and a slew of Samsung developed features not available elsewhere that make it a joy to use. It's powerful, has JB (kind of), has great sounding front mounted speakers, gets above average battery life, and has a great display with decent (for Samsung) color accuracy, good contrast, and is nicely bright. There are two downsides and they apply mostly to consumption-only buyers. The 720P display isn't as good on text and computer generated graphics as higher PPI tablets and all the things that make the Note great at creation and productivity add a lot of complexity for people that aren't going to use those features. It's also available with 3G and when so equipped it doubles as a giant phone. The only tablet I'd consider replacing my Note with is another Note with a higher PPI display.
N10 - I, like many people, saw the specs for the N10 before it was released and thought it was "game over" for all other 10.1" Android tablet makers. As it turns out the N10 is a "value" tablet not a "high-end" tablet. It has the highest PPI of any tablet on the planet but it's fairly dim, is pretty warm, and has just average contrast. The number of N10's reported with light bleed on their displays is pretty shocking (at any price) for a Samsung-built tablet. The N10's A15 SoC is state-of-the-art and kick-ass powerful. But, because of the mammoth PPI it's powering, it's no more powerful than the Note. It also has a bizarre quasi-phone UI which wastes a tremendous amount of display real estate and looks awkward on a 10" tablet. It's "Pure Google" which is fantastic for updates but, feature wise, it's a barren wasteland compared to the features bundled with TW. Battery life is below average and recharging time is six hours. The N10 is a great consumption device for the price. And that's about it.
TF700 - The Infinity is nothing more than a gussied up Prime which means its design is over a year old. It's also using a Teg3 SoC whose design is eighteen months old and at the end of its useful life and now used primarily in budget devices. It has no 5GHz Wi-Fi, uses single channel memory (the Note and N10 are dual channel), has 1GB of RAM, has IO issues that Asus has made famous, and is built using outdated components that, in a lot of cases, are from second-tier manufacturers (EG: AzureWave Wi-Fi radios). Asus' QC is dreadful, their repair center in TX horrible, and to unlock the bootloader you agree to completely void your warranty. There are a couple of things that are unique and, IMHO, the only reason people should be looking at a TF700. They are: the keyboard which also extends battery life, expandable storage, and the Super IPS display that makes it great for outdoor use. Someone only looking for PPI is better off with a N10.
So, as someone above said, no tablet's perfect. Of the three, I think living with the Note's perfectly acceptable but lower PPI display involves the least amount of compromise. For someone wanting/needing a higher PPI the N10's a decent choice and a good value. For someone who has to have a keyboard and/or higher PPI and expandable storage there's the TF700. But based on it and Asus' history, declining sales, and price, you're probably better off leaving Android and buying a W8 tablet.
BarryH_GEG said:
Since the Note and N10 have come out the TF700 forum has become a ghost town. Picture tumbleweed. Scott Crossler, the magician who made the TF700 usable, is no longer supporting it. Others are trying to keep up his work but picture "Otto Pilot" from the movie Airplane. Asus has done little or no marketing for the TF700 and it's just sort of floating out there. Asus’ Q3 sales of 10.1" tablets was actually down year-over-year.
Here's my elevator conversation summary of the three most talked about Android tablets:
Note 10.1 - It's the most complete tablet available (any OS) and has unique features like multiview, inking via a Wacom digitizer with palm rejection, S-Note, and a slew of Samsung developed features not available elsewhere that make it a joy to use. It's powerful, has JB (kind of), has great sounding front mounted speakers, gets above average battery life, and has a great display with decent (for Samsung) color accuracy, good contrast, and is nicely bright. There are two downsides and they apply mostly to consumption-only buyers. The 720P display isn't as good on text and computer generated graphics as higher PPI tablets and all the things that make the Note great at creation and productivity add a lot of complexity for people that aren't going to use those features. It's also available with 3G and when so equipped it doubles as a giant phone. The only tablet I'd consider replacing my Note with is another Note with a higher PPI display.
N10 - I, like many people, saw the specs for the N10 before it was released and thought it was "game over" for all other 10.1" Android tablet makers. As it turns out the N10 is a "value" tablet not a "high-end" tablet. It has the highest PPI of any tablet on the planet but it's fairly dim, is pretty warm, and has just average contrast. The number of N10's reported with light bleed on their displays is pretty shocking (at any price) for a Samsung-built tablet. The N10's A15 SoC is state-of-the-art and kick-ass powerful. But, because of the mammoth PPI it's powering, it's no more powerful than the Note. It also has a bizarre quasi-phone UI which wastes a tremendous amount of display real estate and looks awkward on a 10" tablet. It's "Pure Google" which is fantastic for updates but, feature wise, it's a barren wasteland compared to the features bundled with TW. Battery life is below average and recharging time is six hours. The N10 is a great consumption device for the price. And that's about it.
TF700 - The Infinity is nothing more than a gussied up Prime which means its design is over a year old. It's also using a Teg3 SoC whose design is eighteen months old and at the end of its useful life and now used primarily in budget devices. It has no 5GHz Wi-Fi, uses single channel memory (the Note and N10 are dual channel), has 1GB of RAM, has IO issues that Asus has made famous, and is built using outdated components that, in a lot of cases, are from second-tier manufacturers (EG: AzureWave Wi-Fi radios). Asus' QC is dreadful, their repair center in TX horrible, and to unlock the bootloader you agree to completely void your warranty. There are a couple of things that are unique and, IMHO, the only reason people should be looking at a TF700. They are: the keyboard which also extends battery life, expandable storage, and the Super IPS display that makes it great for outdoor use. Someone only looking for PPI is better off with a N10.
So, as someone above said, no tablet's perfect. Of the three, I think living with the Note's perfectly acceptable but lower PPI display involves the least amount of compromise. For someone wanting/needing a higher PPI the N10's a decent choice and a good value. For someone who has to have a keyboard and/or higher PPI and expandable storage there's the TF700. But based on it and Asus' history, declining sales, and price, you're probably better off leaving Android and buying a W8 tablet.
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I would really like your opinion on why you think the n8013 in the US has not seen the JB update and why there seems to be not even a peep about it. All promotion of the note 10.1 happens only on the Samsung Mobile International Facebook Page, including the big Christmas vid, but not word about the 10.1 on the Samsung Mobile USA page. It is like the product vanished.
Thoughts?
rap6388 said:
I would really like your opinion on why you think the n8013 in the US has not seen the JB update and why there seems to be not even a peep about it. All promotion of the note 10.1 happens only on the Samsung Mobile International Facebook Page, including the big Christmas vid, but not word about the 10.1 on the Samsung Mobile USA page. It is like the product vanished.
Thoughts?
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Because HTC, Motorola, and Samsung all suck at managing device updates. Before I got my N2 two weeks ago I was using a Teg3 One X. In an official press release with quotes from their CEO HTC said the Teg3 One X JB roll-out was going to be in October. Taiwan (HTC's home country) got a JB update in October that was so bad the roll out was stopped for the rest of the world. It started again two weeks ago and only five regions out of over a dozen have received it. In between, regional HTC offices have been providing inaccurate and conflicting updates on what the JB schedule really is.
Back to Samsung. Having nothing to do with updates Samsung's s/w management process is a cluster f-k. A single device can have over twenty four "current" versions of s/w running on it because Samsung creates unique s/w for each region a device is sold in. A good example is that while rolling out JB to the N8000 they were still releasing 4.0.4 ROMs in certain regions of the world. So there are newer ICS ROMs than there are JB. HTC rolls out a single version of "current" s/w that all of their devices globally (except specific Asian markets) get updated to within the span of a few weeks. So HTC's managing two versions (global and Asia) of s/w per device while Samsung's managing dozens. And the complexity this creates makes Samsung's update process overly complex and difficult for us on the outside to track and make sense of.
So, the short answer to your question of "where's the N8013's JB update?," is that it's stuck somewhere in Samsung's plumbing waiting to be deployed. It's fun to talk about reasons for delays like patent issues and the like but I really think it’s just Samsung being Samsung. The OG 8.9 on AT&T just got ICS last week after the rest of the world received it in August. Go figure.
The upside is that Samsung's s/w is versatile for end-users to manage with Odin so that when a newer ROM comes out for a different region you can just use that with no repercussions. My Brazilian N2 is running a Panamanian ROM and my also Brazilian Note 10.1 is running a British ROM. At some point soon either someone on XDA or Samfirmware is going to post a complete MD5 file for the N8010. Once that happens every 8010/3 user can update to it using Odin without the current complexity of loading a new ROM followed by using recovery to update it to JB from SD. Look at it this way; at least we have some options. The poor folks waiting on HTC and Motorola just have to wait.
This is kind of old but makes the point of how complex Samsung's s/w managment process is. This is a list of ROMs deployed just for the N8000. Kind of scary.
I don't understand what the problem is with the proprietary connector? Seems to work fine for me.
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I don't understand what the problem is with the proprietary connector? Seems to work fine for me.
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The problem is twofold:
Compatibility
Portability
Which are two sides of the same coin. You must use Samsung's connector
which limits your options for peripherals, unless you get an adapter. Even
then the lack of a separate HDMI port and the fact that you can't charge via
your PC's USB port (not enough current) are annoying. And you can't use your
devices chargers which means one more charger to carry around.
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The problem is twofold:
Compatibility
Portability
Which are two sides of the same coin. You must use Samsung's connector
which limits your options for peripherals, unless you get an adapter. Even
then the lack of a separate HDMI port and the fact that you can't charge via
your PC's USB port (not enough current) are annoying. And you can't use your
devices chargers which means one more charger to carry around.
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small price to pay for the dogs bollocks of android tabs, I have been putting off buying waiting for decent specs with micro sd, bought a nexus 7 & took it back next day, felt like cheap plastic crap! I would love to see a review for the note 10.1 based on a price of £268 which is what I paid after cashback, im sure it would get editor's choice awards across the board!
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small price to pay for the dogs bollocks of android tabs, I have been putting off buying waiting for decent specs with micro sd, bought a nexus 7 & took it back next day, felt like cheap plastic crap! I would love to see a review for the note 10.1 based on a price of £268 which is what I paid after cashback, im sure it would get editor's choice awards across the board!
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I was just answering his question :crying:
And that's a good price. I paid $499 plus shipping.
You can charge on a PC's USB... Just reeeeeeeeeally slowly.... Best to leave overnight to charge in this instance, but I have been using it before and charging at the same time...
Thanks for all the info. Im still waiting for someone to buy the asus
The thing that was most dissapointing was the lag. Jerky surfing and delayed responses.
Dont care much about that tiny higher screen resolution
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Don't waste your money.
The Note 10.1 didn't have ANY ROMs out when I bought mine,
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The JB update came out the day I bought mine so YMMV.
and technically there still isn't any official JB for my N8013.
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Which is relevant only if the N8013 is the version he is going to buy (and seeing that he is from Norway it most probably is not).
The Note 10.1 is not perfect, no tab is.
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Sure but IMNSHO it's the best one out there.
Based on your post, you seem to be a hasty kinda buyer cuz you seem to not
research your purchases beforehand.
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Agreed, how could he assume for example that the Transformer had to have 2GB of Ram just because it was more expensive... :silly:
[*]The Note 10.1 also has a proprietary non-standard charger/connector.
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Yes, which means neither of them has an advantage over the other in this respect.
[*]The few available docks if you want one are rare and pricey as well.
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False, I got a Samsung original desktop dock (stand, charge and audio out) for € 20 (in Italy) and it works with practically all of the Samsung 7" and 10" tablet lines.
[*]The TF700 has a far better display (by ppi)
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Which is its ONLY advantage.
[*]The Note 10.1 is not tegra 3 but exynos quad.
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Which is actually a PLUS (unless you are a gamer maybe, which I am not).
[*]Samsung is NOTORIOUS for taking forever to push updates
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False, Asus has been one of the best ones for their tablet line but Samsung is not bad at all when you compare it with all of the others and has actually been pretty good with their smartphones.
I run the official JB on my Note 10.1 3G and should get the official JB update on my OG Note very soon.
What he should keep in mind is:
- the Note 10.1 has 2GB RAM (a killer spec for how I use it)
- MultiWindow
- the 3G version is one of the handful of 10" tablets in the world (all of them Samsung AFAIK) that have full GSM call and message capabilities (another killer spec for me)
- it has the S-Pen (I don't use it all that often but when I need it it's VERY useful)
- very good and loud stereo audio
- Touchwiz and Samsung added SW, services and personalizations
- I don't know how it would do with games (I don't have a single one installed on my mobile devices) but on everything else the quad-core Exynos is the fastest and smoothest Android tablet I have ever seen.
- very good battery life
- one of the very best non-HD displays
- light and with a PLASTIC back (I HATE metal bodies!!!!)
- it has an IR blaster and you can use it as a smart remote
Officially announced on their Facebook page, with pix...
Looks like a giant Note II
And here on their home page.
What you guys think? I want one!
Spec wise it's almost identical, so i don't think i would get one. Note 10.1 is enough for me
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I WILL have one.. Oh yes, I will...
It's got the home button from the phone though. That was one of the things that people hated about the Note 2 compared to the Note 1: having to push a mechanical button instead of a capacitive home button meant having to change to a finger push instead of a stylus poke.
The design, at least to me, is kind of stupid. Android on a tablet doesn't do well in portrait and widgets end up squished to fit. Using the Note 8 in landscape is going to be challenging because of the button placement and types of buttons Samsung decided to use. And having what appears to be a single front-facing speaker is a step back from the Note 10.1. It's just my opinion but having less than a 10" tablet kind of defeats the purpose especially with S Note and multiview. I'm sure it'll sell well though.
I just hope we get some of the new features like Awesome Note (Samsung has a one year Android exclusive) and the addition of TV Discovery to Peal to pull in Netflix and Hulu content.
I waited for Note 8.0 thinking it would be just like Note 10.1 but smaller. But it is more like a bigger version of Note 2 but with poorer camera. Meh.
Samsung - this is an enlarged phone, not a proper tablet.
I don't have a Note 10.1, since I really don't want to drop 400-500 on a tablet anytime soon as I did with the Thinkpad Tablet, and that was a huge mistake. As far as I've seen, this tablet is a lot better, but I think the price point of this 8.0 tablet might be appealing. We'll see, I guess.
Anyone think a second version of the 10.1 tablet is due as well, in the near future at least?
im still thinking if this will be a good backup phone from the Note 10.1 or i might settle for the Nexus 4. but ever since the rumors about the Note 8 came out, i am so into it.
we will see when it is out in stores.
=)
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Using the Note 8 in landscape is going to be challenging because of the button placement and types of buttons Samsung decided to use. And having what appears to be a single front-facing speaker is a step back from the Note 10.1.
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Its a giant note2 who wanna be a note 10.1
It have phone capabilities thats why the front facing speaker and the use of the buttons
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Would love to know that the reading mode would do to the screen
Well the Note 8.0 solves THE big knock on the Note 10.1 - lousy PPI. Because of the smaller form factor the PPI goes up by almost 50 points. That's enough to make a real difference. Also thumb typing in portrait will be much more comfortable. It will also have a large enough screen to handwrite in portrait (unlike the Note 2).
One side benefit of this is that the Note 10.1 will get cheaper. BestBuy has it for $449 today. First time I've seen it on sale there.
Last point. Note 10.1 will now get better software.
I expect the Note 8.0 to be wildly popular and honestly the tablet the Note 10.1 was meant to be.
MWC is on so keep your favorite tech sites bookmarked and check them frequently for all the mobile news out of Spain this week. 7-inch tablets will be big this year. Today, Engadget is reporting on 3 new 7-inchers being shown at MWC--1 by HP that will be priced at $169 USD (not breathtaking specs on it) and 2 by Lenovo. It will be interesting to see if a 3G international version of the note 8 with dialing capabilities will be announced at the official unveiling at MWC. As many have noted, the speaker placement looks similar to the note 2, leading to speculation that some models might have phone capabilities.
I don't see a point why a Note 10.1 user should consider buying this tablet. Of course, dpi is lousy and i won't deny it, it just sucks. But that's one point - the Note 10.1 is a full-fledged android tablet. Landscape oriented, great software, enough power to maintain the upcoming years and some great features like stereo frontfacing speakers.
The Note 8.0 is a LOT more specified and in my opinion it wants to appeal a bit more professional users than most who bought the Note 10.1. I bought it for studying, it'll do a great job then. But i also wanted a multimedia tablet i can use at home, i think the Note 8.0 will have difficulties in that. It's too much different from standard android tablets.
I hoped for the Note 10.1 to get cheaper before i bought it (i waited for almost 2 months) but finally couldn't resist it anymore. I wouldn't buy the Note 8.0 anyway.
MWC is on so keep your favorite tech sites bookmarked and check them frequently for all the mobile news out of Spain this week. 7-inch tablets will be big this year. Today, Engadget is reporting on 3 new 7-inchers being shown at MWC--1 by HP that will be priced at $169 USD (not breathtaking specs on it) and 2 by Lenovo. It will be interesting to see if a 3G international version of the note 8 with dialing capabilities will be announced at the official unveiling at MWC. As many have noted, the speaker placement looks similar to the note 2, leading to speculation that some models might have phone capabilities.
Alright I didn't read Engadet yesterday afternoon and noe see that they've got a preview if the note 8 up and the internaltional 3G version will be able to make phone calls. The article contains a video, too. http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/23/samsung-galaxy-note-8-preview/
I hate that they put the speakers on the bottom?
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It have phone capabilities thats why the front facing speaker and the use of the buttons
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The Wi-Fi version won't and the U.S. and Canada won't be offered a 3G version. And probably in the countries that offer both more than half sold will be Wi-Fi only because people don’t want to have to buy 3G data. The N8000's a phone too but still survives without looking like a giant Note II including hard and soft buttons that are difficult to use in landscape and a single speaker. Do you honestly see anyone with a Note 8 holding it to their ear for phone calls?
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I expect the Note 8.0 to be wildly popular and honestly the tablet the Note 10.1 was meant to be.
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It's just the classic comparison of a 7/8" tablet vs. a 10" tablet. It's no different than comparing the N7 and N10; they are meant for two different market segments. The Note 8's going after the iPad Mini, not the Note 10.1. I agree about the better PPI between the Note 8 and 10 but because of the extra screen real estate you'd typically hold the Note 10 further away minimizing the impact. 10" high-end Android tablets have never sold particularly well because their price points are too close to the iPad and with that the masses tend to go for the original. If I was shopping for a tablet today I'd still buy the Note 10.1 in spite of its PPI because of its features. I like that it's designed to be used in landscape and the extra display space makes productivity stuff tons easier than working with a 7/8" tablet. But, to your point, based on size, price, and volume in the 7/8" space the Note 8 will easily outsell the Note 10.1. And I don't think Samsung cares one way or the other. The only thing I'll give my Note 10.1 up for is a Note the same size or larger with a FHD display. Purely my personal opinion of course.
Its pretty much the same tablet. Ill wait another year or atleast until tech advances enough to justify dropping another 500+ for a tablet. And when that happens, it will probably be a nexus :laugh:
I also find the resolution on the Samsung devices pretty poor :crying: I wish Samsung would bump them up!
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I also find the resolution on the Samsung devices pretty poor :crying: I wish Samsung would bump them up!
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higher dpi sounds great, just remember it means more work for the battery and cpu, I believe the wacom digitizer and resolution need to match also. personally I cannot sacrifice screen real estate, annotating blue prints requires a large screen for me. would love something in the 11.6 range. but I do believe they have different audiences, (I never believe in a one size fits all approach) probably get the little lady one, call it the " lady note"
I only want one cuz it's sexy. That and I'm a sucker for ads lol.
Realistically this could never replace my Note 10.1.
Just a poll: if your note 2 is still in good working condition, will you upgrade when note 3 comes out?
No. I have my Note 2 for 7 months. I go for the Note 5.
No. I'll only consider buying new one, if they manage to create screen that will be perfect visible in direct sunlight. Apart from that, I don't see a reason to buy next gen note. Note2 is a beast, that run perfect for me.
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No. I'll only consider buying new one, if they manage to create screen that will be perfect visible in direct sunlight. Apart from that, I don't see a reason to buy next gen note. Note2 is a beast, that run perfect for me.
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I second that. I tried taking pictures of my car with my Note 2 to send to someone interested in buying it and they call came out looking like crap because I couldn't make out what was on the screen even though the sun wasn't hitting the screen directly. Give me a phone with a super-bright screen mode (even if it reduces the battery life to three hours or less) so I can use the camera outdoors!
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Absolutely.
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Without a shadow of a doubt. Using an iPhone 5 now, like the experience but its very claustrophobic with the tiny display. Been waiting for the note 3 since the Note 2 was released and will definitely upgrade on day 1.
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YES I WILL I CAN'T WAIT
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The rumored specs looked fine to me. I was jumping down to s4 but skipped it cz of bugs. Now I know that note 3 will carry all the cool features from s4, so I will surely go.
Not much difference between note 2 and note 3..2gb RAM of note 2 is more than enough and same is true for CPU and camera
i will wait for note 4/5 because i will consider that as upgrade
some people just got for new one even if their current phone satisfy all their needs
It's a big difference... And I will buy day 1
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I'll wait until the official announcement and then make a decision. We have no real details at present.
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I wont
Or depends on built quality also now
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Here are my thoughts; maybe they'll help others deciding whether to leave the N2 for the N3. First, the N2’s been the best phone I’ve ever owned. Its combination of features and performance make it a great all-around device. I’m one of the few that actually use S Pen, S Note, multiview, the Pop up browser, Samsung Link, KiesAir and quite a few of Samsung’s other s/w features. I’m going to get a N3 as soon as I can, probably the Octa/Mali version. If the S-800 international version supports global LTE than I may get it instead. I have no interest in a U.S. carrier version of the N3.
Here are my main reasons for switching:
Performance – While the N2’s no slouch more is always better; especially from the GPU. I’m sure that the N3 having twice the pixel count of the N2 is going to offset some of that performance but it should still be a noticeably smoother device. That’s in spite of the boat load of additional s/w “tricks” that will most likely be included which is why I’m betting Samsung’s upped the RAM to 3GB (which in retrospect they should have done with the SGS4). The RAM on the N3 is also supposed to be faster than the SGS4.
32GB of Storage – Even though I’m sure we’ll be paying for it via a higher MSRP I’m thrilled that the N3 will start at 32GB (assuming the rumor’s true). It’s great that Samsung created an A2SD feature starting with the SGS4 but it does you know good on certain DRM protected apps that won’t/don’t recognize external storage.
The Camera – 13MP with OIS and potentially a Xenon flash sounds terrific. It’ll most likely be the Exmor RS sensor from Sony which has gotten great reviews from i9500 users (the i9505 uses the older Exmor R sensor).
Battery – A 3,450mAh battery is kick-ass and, based on Octa/S-600 in the SGS4, should deliver 25% better battery life over the N2 in spite of all Samsung’s additional sensors and the extra pixels from the 1080P display. Pack a spare battery and you could be away from an outlet for two days easy with a N3.
Software – I like Samsung’s gimmicks. Some are incredibly useful while others are cool “just because you can.” The N3 will have all the S4’s new s/w and then some. The N3 will keep me entertained for hours just playing with it. Samsung also registered a new URL (samsungpenup.com) that could mean they are finally investing in S Note and potentially making it multi-platform so you can open and edit S Notes on non-Samsung windows PCs.
Here are some reasons I wouldn’t switch:
720P vs. 1080P – At 12-15” away the human eye can’t resolve the detail between the two. With the N2’s large display I find I typically hold it further away anyway. I’m sure the N3’s display will be an upgrade in image reproduction but the additional pixels alone don’t sway me. The N2’s got a great non-PenTile display and I have no complaints with it.
5.5” vs. 5.68” – The bump in size may seem larger in everyday use but it’s not big enough (at least to me) to justify replacing the N2 for it. If Samsung plays with the DPI so that you can get more on the display (5 rows of icons vs. 4) that would be interesting. A higher quality larger display with more on it is more attractive than a fractional bump in size. I also don’t think anything over 5.68” is necessary to ink and view multiple apps and am glad Samsung didn’t throw the N3 in to the “colossus wars” like Sony, LG, and HTC have.
Design/Size – Unless Samsung’s got some surprises in store I’d bet the N3 will follow in the SGS4’s footsteps – more stuff, bigger display, smaller and/or lighter package. That’s cool to have but I’m fine with both the N2’s size and design.
Here’s why I wouldn’t leave Samsung for HTC, Sony, Motorola or LG:
Samsung’s Mass – Developers of mass market apps launch stuff for Samsung devices first and best. Samsung devices represent the largest audiences available and they tend to be more thorough in their testing for it. Here’s an example. My cable company has a “watch live TV app.” It works on iOS and one Android device; Samsung’s Note-series so I have it on my N2 and Note 10.1.
They Make Cool Stuff – WatchOn’s brilliant if you have a Samsung SmartTV. Not only can you use WatchOn to find stuff easily and control the TV their newer TV’s have AllShare Cast built-in as well as Samsung Link and the ability (on higher-end models) to watch content (including DRM protected) on your Samsung mobile device.
Samsung Link is life changing. It’s your own personal network that allows all your devices to be accessible to each other all the time. For mobile devices that includes over 3/4G. For example, if I’m on 3G with my Note 10.1 and want to pull a Word document off my home server all I need to do is access it via Samsung link. Same goes if I want to move pics taken on my phone to my tablet.
All the above is of course a YMMV. I love Samsung’s s/w and there are tons of people that couldn’t live without AOSP and the “pureness” of whatever Google’s serving up. Also a ton of people bought the N2 because of the size of its display and could care less about inking and Samsung's additional features. For them there will be a ton of additional giant phone choices this year. For people like me the only reason I have a giant phone is because of things like S Note/S Pen so there really isn't another choice; at least not based on what's been announced/leaked so far.
Happy decision making and enjoy whatever your choice may be.
Damn BarryH....great synopsis!
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Here are my thoughts; maybe they'll help others deciding whether to leave the N2 for the N3. First, the N2’s been the best phone I’ve ever owned. Its combination of features and performance make it a great all-around device. I’m one of the few that actually use S Pen, S Note, multiview, the Pop up browser, Samsung Link, KiesAir and quite a few of Samsung’s other s/w features. I’m going to get a N3 as soon as I can, probably the Octa/Mali version. If the S-800 international version supports global LTE than I may get it instead. I have no interest in a U.S. carrier version of the N3.
Here are my main reasons for switching:
Performance – While the N2’s no slouch more is always better; especially from the GPU. I’m sure that the N3 having twice the pixel count of the N2 is going to offset some of that performance but it should still be a noticeably smoother device. That’s in spite of the boat load of additional s/w “tricks” that will most likely be included which is why I’m betting Samsung’s upped the RAM to 3GB (which in retrospect they should have done with the SGS4). The RAM on the N3 is also supposed to be faster than the SGS4.
32GB of Storage – Even though I’m sure we’ll be paying for it via a higher MSRP I’m thrilled that the N3 will start at 32GB (assuming the rumor’s true). It’s great that Samsung created an A2SD feature starting with the SGS4 but it does you know good on certain DRM protected apps that won’t/don’t recognize external storage.
The Camera – 13MP with OIS and potentially a Xenon flash sounds terrific. It’ll most likely be the Exmor RS sensor from Sony which has gotten great reviews from i9500 users (the i9505 uses the older Exmor R sensor).
Battery – A 3,450mAh battery is kick-ass and, based on Octa/S-600 in the SGS4, should deliver 25% better battery life over the N2 in spite of all Samsung’s additional sensors and the extra pixels from the 1080P display. Pack a spare battery and you could be away from an outlet for two days easy with a N3.
Software – I like Samsung’s gimmicks. Some are incredibly useful while others are cool “just because you can.” The N3 will have all the S4’s new s/w and then some. The N3 will keep me entertained for hours just playing with it. Samsung also registered a new URL (samsungpenup.com) that could mean they are finally investing in S Note and potentially making it multi-platform so you can open and edit S Notes on non-Samsung windows PCs.
Here are some reasons I wouldn’t switch:
720P vs. 1080P – At 12-15” away the human eye can’t resolve the detail between the two. With the N2’s large display I find I typically hold it further away anyway. I’m sure the N3’s display will be an upgrade in image reproduction but the additional pixels alone don’t sway me. The N2’s got a great non-PenTile display and I have no complaints with it.
5.5” vs. 5.68” – The bump in size may seem larger in everyday use but it’s not big enough (at least to me) to justify replacing the N2 for it. If Samsung plays with the DPI so that you can get more on the display (5 rows of icons vs. 4) that would be interesting. A higher quality larger display with more on it is more attractive than a fractional bump in size. I also don’t think anything over 5.68” is necessary to ink and view multiple apps and am glad Samsung didn’t throw the N3 in to the “colossus wars” like Sony, LG, and HTC have.
Design/Size – Unless Samsung’s got some surprises in store I’d bet the N3 will follow in the SGS4’s footsteps – more stuff, bigger display, smaller and/or lighter package. That’s cool to have but I’m fine with both the N2’s size and design.
Here’s why I wouldn’t leave Samsung for HTC, Sony, Motorola or LG:
Samsung’s Mass – Developers of mass market apps launch stuff for Samsung devices first and best. Samsung devices represent the largest audiences available and they tend to be more thorough in their testing for it. Here’s an example. My cable company has a “watch live TV app.” It works on iOS and one Android device; Samsung’s Note-series so I have it on my N2 and Note 10.1.
They Make Cool Stuff – WatchOn’s brilliant if you have a Samsung SmartTV. Not only can you use WatchOn to find stuff easily and control the TV their newer TV’s have AllShare Cast built-in as well as Samsung Link and the ability (on higher-end models) to watch content (including DRM protected) on your Samsung mobile device.
Samsung Link is life changing. It’s your own personal network that allows all your devices to be accessible to each other all the time. For mobile devices that includes over 3/4G. For example, if I’m on 3G with my Note 10.1 and want to pull a Word document off my home server all I need to do is access it via Samsung link. Same goes if I want to move pics taken on my phone to my tablet.
All the above is of course a YMMV. I love Samsung’s s/w and there are tons of people that couldn’t live without AOSP and the “pureness” of whatever Google’s serving up. Also a ton of people bought the N2 because of the size of its display and could care less about inking and Samsung's additional features. For them there will be a ton of additional giant phone choices this year. For people like me the only reason I have a giant phone is because of things like S Note/S Pen so there really isn't another choice; at least not based on what's been announced/leaked so far.
Happy decision making and enjoy whatever your choice may be.
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No... I will wait for note 4
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@ Barry, you wouldn't switch because of the display??? That's my main reason to switch. If you experience a 1080p display or should I say a 320+ Ppi display, you'll definitely notice the difference. Not that it breaks the experience on the note 2, far from it, but I would say that the display is definitely a main reason to upgrade because 1080p displays are NOTICEABLY better than 720p displays.
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Not much difference between note 2 and note 3..2gb RAM of note 2 is more than enough and same is true for CPU and camera
i will wait for note 4/5 because i will consider that as upgrade
some people just got for new one even if their current phone satisfy all their needs
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I have absolutly same opinion.
The decision is easy for me because I'm moving from S2. I was waiting for S4, but seeing my wife's N2 and the usefulness of the S Pen at that screen size, I decided to get a Note 3 at launch. Now, I'm deciding whether to sell my Note 10.1, since I find myself using the recently acquired 11" Macbook Air for most of my "work/entertainment from the couch" activities and there'll be some overlap between N3 and N10.1.
I'm not buying another phone until they either switch back to plastic screens, or develop one that doesn't break when you drop the thing. Cracking my Note 2 screen was devastating...
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You wouldn't switch because of the display??? That's my main reason to switch. If you experience a 1080p display or should I say a 320+ Ppi display, you'll definitely notice the difference.
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Not really. I've posted this before and you're probably tired of seeing it but it's true. Beyond a certain PPI the human eye can't resolve the additional detail. And where it can is limited to CGI and text not pictures and video which is explained in the article.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
In every area outside resolution the HTC One's display is inferior to the One X's. People have become so hung up on PPI that they've stopped caring about the criteria that affects them most like consistency across displays, brightness, color temperature, contract, etc. I think the N3's display will be better than the N2's more because of improvements in AMOLED design and manufacturing than just PPI. The SGS4's display is significantly brighter than the N2's and the N3's will probably be more so because there's more battery to work with in terms of where Samsung can set max brightness.
Here's what AnandTech (who arean't big Samsung fans) said about the N2's display.
It’s tempting to look at the 1280x800 of the Note and the 1280x720 of the Note 2 and assume it’s lower resolution, when in fact the Note 2 has more subpixels (2.05 MP vs 2.76 MP) and in spite of the size increase stays around the magical 1 arcminute subtense (1.073 arcminutes on Note 2).The reference to 1 arcminute is significant. Anything below 1 arcminute can't be processed by the human eye at 12-15" away. The One and SGS4 have an arcminute subtense of .66 which is just a waste. That is unless someone holds the phone 12" or less away from their face and happen to be looking at text or icons. I think the improvements people are seeing on newer displays has less to do with PPI in some cases (SGS3 vs. SGS4) and more to do with advances in technology that impact overall display performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6386/samsung-galaxy-note-2-review-t-mobile-/8
so i know a lot of people are debating getting the note 3, coming from their note 2s, but is anyone else out there considering doing it from their s4?
i like my s4, out of the box theres very little needing to be done. it was the first phone ive owned where custom roms would only mess things up. battery life for days, camera didnt need any hacking, everything ran fast, and looked good. there was an annoying popup turning up volume with headphones, and that was pretty much it. oh yeah and it didnt have a good sound chip like the s3, but the note3 wont either so thats not in the running.
despite being a solid phone, my reason for considering an upgrade is really just to change things up. is anyone thinking of moving to the note3 from the s4?
ill add "Thanks" to anyone giving feedback/input/2¢
note3
better gpu/cpu
more ram
internal memory
possibly s pen features?
s4
screen has better density,, otherwise no other differences?
up in the air
glass type?
probably same LED?
gps?
still pictures?
4k is alright, but what looks better in 1080p? (only thing that matters in 2013)
battery life?
radio?
air gesture? (really ONLY useful for gloves)
I have considered it and for me it's simply a matter of do I need...
1) a bigger screen again and
2) the spen features.
Although tempted by the Note 3 (after a year of the Note and Note 2) I went to the S4 in May. I really miss the spen and larger screen but found the size of the Note devices to be too much of a hassle in/out pocket, etc. But that's just me....I use my S4 (gps) for a lot of outdoor activity (backpacking, running, biking, note taking..ideas, etc.), and the Note 3 size would just make it more difficult to lug around.
My experience w/S4* has been nothing but excellent and it really fits all my needs for a smartphone...although I wish it had an onboard stylus.
So I basically think it's a matter of how you use your smartphones. Currently I'm sporting a S4 combined with Nexus 7. If I did get the N3 I'd get rid of the N7.
No doubt however, when it arrives in the stores i will definitely compare my S4 to the N3 and ponder...can I make it work for me? But the 5", physical size, sensors, etc. of the S4 work great.
*S4: stock, nova. Other than the original Palm pilot, it's the first smartphone I've owned that I haven't jailbreak, rooted, romed, etc. I enjoy the fact that everything works.
I actually will be going from the S4 to the Note 3.
The larger screen size will be nice for the real estate, but it's a slight trade off as I will lose the 1 handed operation I'm used to, and it's the same screen and resolution (diamond Pentile 1080p) as the S4 so you will technically lose some PPI, relevant or not.
For me getting the N3 is largely about the SPen features I'm looking forward to, especially with what I'm working on these days. The bump from 16 to 32GB storage is also welcomed. Also the new radio power management should provide a nice boost and I have little doubt the N3 will last a bunch longer on battery than the S4. USB3 is also a nice plus.
Everything else for me is a wash, Sammy's TW 4.3 will feel the same I'm sure. Yea the 800 will be faster than the 600 but will you see all that in day to day? probably not, but it's more future proof I suppose. Don't care about 4K video, and the camera stills will likely be the same between the two.
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up in the air
glass type?
probably same LED?
gps?
still pictures?
4k is alright, but what looks better in 1080p? (only thing that matters in 2013)
battery life?
radio?
air gesture? (really ONLY useful for gloves)
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Not the same LED. The N3 has more pwoerful LED than the S4.
Both the two variants wont have FM Radio on board.
S4 vs Note3 are pretty much the same device, only in a larger screen.
If I had the S4 I'll probably not get the Note3 unless i wanted a larger screen plus the S-pen
Originally i was going to get the S4 when it was released earlier this year, then i got winds about the Notes3 coming out so I held back, as I wanted all the features from the S4 plus all the feature that the Note3 offers
I'm very glad I waited.
I had this question in mind when I was on s3. I moved to note 2 as it had all features from s3, bigger screen and most of all bigger battery. I am very proud I made that decision so I guess it will be worth to upgrade to note 3 considering the overheating, smearing and poor battery issues of s4.
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I personally think people buy the Note-series for the wrong reasons. The only reason I owned a N2 (and soon an N3) is because I use S Pen/S Note, inking,, and multiview heavily. Those things require a screen at least as large as the Note's. If I didn't use those things I'd have a SGS4 or one of its competitors because lugging around a phablet isn't always fun. If you have decent size hands one-handed operation is workable but still not ideal.
Ask yourself these questions...
Do I want a larger display? - If yes, from a feature/performance/size perspective the N3's a great choice. If you're not in to S Pen/S Note or inking there are other large screen devices, both available and rumored, to consider that may have larger displays than the N3 or lower prices.
Am I moving to the N3 strictly for performance gains? - The Note-series phones have a lot going on under the hood. 3GB of RAM sounds fantastic but multiview and some of the other S Stuff are going to use a chunk of it. S-800's impressive but other smaller devices including the Nexus 5 and a possible LTE-A S-800 version of the SGS4 will be released with it too. So if you're hunting for performance the N3's a great choice but you may have other smaller-sized choices available soon. If you're going to root and run a non-TW ROM the performance of the N3 without Samsung's "features" should be impressive.
Am I creation/productivity user? - Used for what it's intended, there's nothing that competes with the Note-series. If you aren't currently using a device for creation/productivity but are in a creative line-of-work or do a lot of business communication and time management on your phone it might be worth exploring what the Note's features can provide. I have a Note 10.1 and N2 and would never own a non-Note device again. One man's opinion of course.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do I want a larger display? - If yes, from a feature/performance/size perspective the N3's a great choice. If you're not in to S Pen/S Note or inking there are other large screen devices, both available and rumored, to consider that may have larger displays than the N3 or lower prices.
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Another thing to consider when answering this question is the downside of having a Larger Display, is the size form factor of the phone itself.
Ask you self these questions:
4. How I'm going to carry this phone on a daily basis?
5. How easy/hard would it be for me to access the phone when I need to answer/make a call?
for me I'm still trying to answer #4, I have Notes 1 and it hasn't been easy, I still use my Galaxy S2 more than my Notes 1 because of this reason.
for answer #5 the Samsung Gear, that watch will finally solve my problem I've been having with the Notes 1, yes, i used Bluetooth before, but it wasn't the same, it was really hard to access the phone to look up things as it didn't quite fit in the usual pockets, specially if you are out in Shorts and T-shirts
at least with the Samsung Gear, no I can keep the Note 3 in arm pocket or something, and then use the Gear to do the basic stuff when i'm out biking on Shorts & Tshirt
which in a way solves the conodrum i was having with quesiton #4
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How I'm going to carry this phone on a daily basis?
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It's funny you'd say that. A ton of people were pissed when it was confirmed the N3 was "only" going to have a 5.7" display. I was thrilled because the N2's size is the max I'd go for something whose primary purpose is a phone and the N3's actually smaller.
I think people play with a phablet in a store and think "it'll be fine." In addition to things you mentioned try to use one running through an airport trying to find a connecting gate. Or with only one hand free walking down the street. What seems "fine" in a store or speculatively changes real fast depending on your lifestyle.
I'm going to upgrade from the S4. I actually don't mind the touch wiz that much I just don't think the S4 has enough juice to run it. I love the phone it just gets really hot when I'm playing games and the battery doesn't last me half a day.
Here is my thought process:
Size - S4 is already large so I already had to get used to changing the way I carry my phone
Battery - I can't get half a day out of my S4 in power save mode with features I would use turned off
Screen - I like as much screen size as I can get and I have trouble typing stuff out on smaller phones. I spend a lot of time correcting.
S Pen - This is something I actually really like, some might not care at all about it
RAM - More = better!
Storage - I got the 16GB S4 and didn't realize how little of it would be left. Without installing anything on my phone I'm at 9 GB with some games at 1-2 GB that is not enough space
I'm jumping from the S4 to Note 3. Can't wait!
I'm also ditching the s4 and getting a note 3.
Being a note 2 owner before the s4 I really regret selling my note 2!
I miss the big screen and tons of battery Life.
Also the s-pen makes it worth while for me.
The s4 is a good device but it doesn't fit my needs.
Can't wait till I get my note 3!
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I too will be making the change from a S4 to a Note 3. Main reason being the bigger screen and the ability to use the S-Pen. I had a Note 2 and sold that to get the S4. After a while, I just really started missing the bigger screen. Even with the smaller S4, I still found myself using two hands anyways. So for me it's really a "once you go big, you don't go back." Also I was able to sell my S4 for $500. Purchasing the Note 3 off-contract which is really the same as purchasing the phone on contract since it's a $225 difference or so between what I sold my S4 for and what I'm paying for the Note 3.
wow what awesome feedback!
so everyone seems to agree the biggest selling point is the S-Pen! what exactly does the S-Pen do? i thought the airview/air hover was supposed to the s4's version of the S-Pen, but airview and air hover are absolutely 100% useless in every possible way imaginable. all these features do are get in the way if youre trying to actually do something.. im positive everyone turned them off after the first few days.
so what does the S-Pen contribute?
i was hoping being able to hover over an area of a webpage would act the same way hovering a mouse does, where it brings dropdown menus, mouse hover features, toast popups, any java/flash/html5 features, and every other thing an on-screen mouse is used for. however samsung implemented none of this, and closesourced its hover features. theyre only used for gimmicky things like turning pages on the touchwiz launcher if you hold it a certain way.. -___________-"...
soo, S-Pen?? wutitdo?
I'll keep my S4. Having a larger phone would only be a hassle for my pockets. Plus I have small hands. My S4 will be my pick. I don't need a bigger phone...
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I missed the screen real estate going from the Note 2 to my S4. I have been anxiously awaiting the Note 3 to step back up to a good size screen. I don't agree that the S4 didn't need anything done to it, but I'm not a fan of all the bloat Samsung and the carriers include on these great pieces of hardware.
edit - For me the S-Pen is secondary. It just happens to be included in a great specced phone with a large screen. I'd gladly buy an identical model without the Pen.
The s-pen isn't the deciding factor for me, though I don't want to give it up either! (I have the Note 2). I use it every once in a while but not often. For me it's all about the screen size. I am one of those who wanted the N3 to be 6" or perhaps even bigger.
However there have been times when it was a bit larger than comfortable in the pocket - ie especially during sports. This was partly the weight, not the size - with loose trousers and big pockets it's worse. Still doable but not ideal; it's a trade off I am happy to make though. Hopefully the lesser weight of the N3 will mitigate that problem somewhat.
On the other hand I'm not considering other brands with larger phones because I think Samsung brings way more software-wise to the table - lots of new features each model, and the s-pen is perhaps the best example. For me the S4 would be too small after the Note 2.
I'm really looking forward to the upgrade as it appears that almost everything on the phone will be improved. Since I have an extra Att upgrade to use and it will cost effectively nothing, upgrading is a no-brainer. If I had to pay full price though I'd wait.
I think if I were you, I'd figure out which phone was the right size; the one I'd be most comfortable with most of the time. After all, feature wise they're pretty close. Both are great devices. (Sorry for long response...)
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One thing I haven't seen people taking about is signal strength.
Maybe it's just me but when I went from the Note to the SGS 3 I noticed a big drop in signal.
soraxd said:
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There are already two detailed (p)reviews from phonearena and gsmarena. The former stated the new s-pen features and the latter described them comparatively more in-depth.
Links:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-Preview_id3423/page/2
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_3_preview-review-986p4.php
So, we got a new pen window to start these fresh new things to enhance the multitasking:
Action Memo
Srapbooker
Screen write
S Finder
These are already been mentioned by knowledgeable and assumption-expert member(s) like @BarryH_GEG earlier in the general threads. Demo'ed in those vids too.
I am using s3 for a li'l over a year and I find s-pen along with these new features (with varying degrees) interesting.
For an S4 (i9500) user it should be exciting to have the exynos variant. Because now the exynos 5420 has HMP support which will never be possible for i9500 s4.
I really don't understand the OP's question
GNote2 owners doubting to upgrade to the Note3 is understandable, however ..
The S4 is a PHONE while the Note3 is a PHABLET, with S-pen capabilities ...the choice is totally personal
Correct me if I'm wrong .....
Edit: Not to mention the fact that somebody already started a thread just like this one a couple of days ago ....what a mess ....
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