[Q] Root and OTA updates - Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

HI All,
Sorry for this question, tried to serach for the asnwer, but I am still not clear.
mine Nexus 7 2012 WIFI, rooted, custom recovery and superuser installed currently runs on stock 4.4.2 KOT49H, will I get OTA updates for the latest 4.4.3 from googles? many thanks.

play541 said:
HI All,
Sorry for this question, tried to serach for the asnwer, but I am still not clear.
mine Nexus 7 2012 WIFI, rooted, custom recovery and superuser installed currently runs on stock 4.4.2 KOT49H, will I get OTA updates for the latest 4.4.3 from googles? many thanks.
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Hi, afraid if you've root on your device, more importantly, you have a custom recovery partition in your device, do not accept OTAs. This could permanently brick your Nexus 7. You may be able to temporarily "unroot" the device, removing the custom recovery and flashing back to full stock with stock recovery. Check your device's threads for any available guides.
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tinydynamite00 said:
Hi, afraid if you've root on your device, more importantly, you have a custom recovery partition in your device, do not accept OTAs. This could permanently brick your Nexus 7. You may be able to temporarily "unroot" the device, removing the custom recovery and flashing back to full stock with stock recovery. Check your device's threads for any available guides.
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Hi tinydynamite00,
Much appreciated.
I might try the Nexus tool to get back to full stock.

play541 said:
Hi tinydynamite00,
Much appreciated.
I might try the Nexus tool to get back to full stock.
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you don't really need to go back to stock. when the ota becomes available, either here on xda or when it's available on your tablet, download it then install it through the recovery on your tablet. you'll lose root but just flash a root package and you're all done. i've done this before and no problems what so ever.

mrbtree98 said:
you don't really need to go back to stock. when the ota becomes available, either here on xda or when it's available on your tablet, download it then install it through the recovery on your tablet. you'll lose root but just flash a root package and you're all done. i've done this before and no problems what so ever.
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Hi mrbtree98,
Thanks for your reply.
Does this one work for me?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2533035

play541 said:
Hi mrbtree98,
Thanks for your reply.
Does this one work for me?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2533035
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that's a custom rom or a modified stock rom. no one has got an ota for the 2012 nexus 7 and were the only nexus still to get 4.4.3 through ota. i'm also waiting but it's weird for there to be a gap from the other nexus's

play541 said:
Hi mrbtree98,
Thanks for your reply.
Does this one work for me?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2533035
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mrbtree98 said:
that's a custom rom or a modified stock rom. no one has got an ota for the 2012 nexus 7 and were the only nexus still to get 4.4.3 through ota. i'm also waiting but it's weird for there to be a gap from the other nexus's
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I would recommend that one, as its basically rooted stock which is what you're currently running anyway. You can just wipe cache and dalvik cache in recovery and flash it, no need to wipe data (so your apps/settings/files will all be untouched). If there are any questions in recovery to flash stock recovery or fix root just answer no to both, my root was kept intact without having to reflash superSU. It saves waiting for the OTA (which still isn't here for some reason) and the risk of it failing/losing root/custom recovery for whatever reason.
As always just in case, make a full nandroid backup in recovery, then flash the ROM. You shouldn't have any problems. :good:

mrbtree98 said:
that's a custom rom or a modified stock rom. no one has got an ota for the 2012 nexus 7 and were the only nexus still to get 4.4.3 through ota. i'm also waiting but it's weird for there to be a gap from the other nexus's
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Thank you Sir!
Okay, correct me if I am wrong:
if OTA updates available, do not proceed to DL (over WIFI) and do not let tablet do the installation, as it might cause problem (brick?).
DL thru XDA install thru recovery instead. ( either in ZIP or .img? format).

play541 said:
Thank you Sir!
Okay, correct me if I am wrong:
if OTA updates available, do not proceed to DL (over WIFI) and do not let tablet do the installation, as it might cause problem (brick?).
DL thru XDA install thru recovery instead. ( either in ZIP or .img? format).
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You'll probaby get a status 7 error and the update won't apply, I would recommend the rooted stock based ROM you linked to above, quick and easy to update rather than waiting for an OTA and trying to update that way.

gsmyth said:
You'll probaby get a status 7 error and the update won't apply, I would recommend the rooted stock based ROM you linked to above, quick and easy to update rather than waiting for an OTA and trying to update that way.
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HI gsmyth,
Thanks for your advices,
you guys are very helpfull, much appreciated.

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Noob Rooting Clarification

So if (when) I root my Nexus S, if I don't do anything except root it (no custom roms etc) will I receive all updates just like normal from Google no strings attached? In essence, it'll be the exact same process just superuser status, correct?
annndrewww said:
So if (when) I root my Nexus S, if I don't do anything except root it (no custom roms etc) will I receive all updates just like normal from Google no strings attached? In essence, it'll be the exact same process just superuser status, correct?
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In essence you are only adding two files, the .apk and the su file. I would think that you would still get updates, but just an educated guess.
The only way you'll lose updates is by flashing a custom ROM AFAIK. An update might break your root (not sure), but you should still get it.
Nah ... then if we flash our GNS with custom rom we can't update firmware directly from google ? It is reversable reversible ... it is ?
Kalimdor said:
Nah ... then if we flash our GNS with custom rom we can't update firmware directly from google ? It is reversable reversible ... it is ?
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You don't get OTA updates with a custom ROM, but you will if you flash back to a stock one.
I am not sure you can install ota updates with custom recovery either right?
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brian6685 said:
I am not sure you can install ota updates with custom recovery either right?
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As long as you have a stock ROM, I think you can.
MaybachMan said:
As long as you have a stock ROM, I think you can.
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Don't the ota updates install through the phones recovery? If it's not the stock recovery, how would it work? Maybe I am wrong though
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brian6685 said:
Don't the ota updates install through the phones recovery? If it's not the stock recovery, how would it work? Maybe I am wrong though
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Just did a Google and apparently you can download the OTA update but not install without a stock recovery. I assume you can then install it "manually" with your custom recovery.
MaybachMan said:
Just did a Google and apparently you can download the OTA update but not install without a stock recovery. I assume you can then install it "manually" with your custom recovery.
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I think you can only install the ota from stock recovery also because of the way it is signed. Although I am sure someone will come up with a flashable zip as soon as, if not before, there is an update. So I would not worry
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Dead Android bot on update install

SO my N7 is rooted through Wugs tool, it has been great so far!
Now though, when I try to install the system update, my little android bot dies with an exclamation mark above him and I have to hard reboot.
Any ideas?
Probably because you now have a custom recovery instead of stock.
Travisdroidx2 said:
Probably because you now have a custom recovery instead of stock.
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So what would be the best route to fix this, I am overly tired of getting prompted to install my system update.
Thanks
Freeze the update apk.
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I think he's asking for a way to update it with the custom recovery installed...I could be wrong though.
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ExploreMN said:
I think he's asking for a way to update it with the custom recovery installed...I could be wrong though.
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My goal would be to update my N7, if for no other reason, than to stop getting pop ups every 10mins asking to install the update.
I am running WugFresh's toolkit 1.5.2, My tablet is running Jellybean 4.1.1 RO03C
An OTA update will not install or will not install correctly on a device that has been modified from stock.
But if your device has a custom recovery installed (flashed via Wugs) you can install a custom 4.2 ROM and you will have everything you would get from the OTA. The 4.2 stock rooted rom from scrosler is a good ROM to start with. Or use wugs to return to stock and take the OTA. Then from there you can root/ flash whatever you want to do.
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thanks for this thread,
im in exactly the same position except havent clicked accept update yet and glad i havent lol
asked many times but always get mixed answer's about updating my rooted nexy with twrp recovery, i did use goo manager to update to the latest twrp recovery
so im not sure if i need to un-root to update as the new twrp is supposed to work with 4.2?
ezas said:
An OTA update will not install or will not install correctly on a device that has been modified from stock.
But if your device has a custom recovery installed (flashed via Wugs) you can install a custom 4.2 ROM and you will have everything you would get from the OTA. The 4.2 stock rooted rom from scrosler is a good ROM to start with. Or use wugs to return to stock and take the OTA. Then from there you can root/ flash whatever you want to do.
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Thanks for the response, that makes sense, and gave me the info I needed!

[Q] Unroot without full wiping

I recently realized that I use no root requiring apps or custom ROMs on my Nexus 7(while I keep my phone rooted for many a reason). Now that I hear the 4.4 update is being pushed, it occurs to me that all keeping a custom recovery and root on my tablet does is complicate updates. So I want to unroot, return my recovery to the stock, and get myself all ready to wait for the update to push out. What would be the best way to do this that does not require me to lose data/game saves/have to reset everything up?
Fastboot flash the stock recovery and don't worry about su because the ota will take care of that.
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hi i am on stock 4.3 & recovery no system apps removed at all, bootloader unlocked, am i safe to take 4.4 OTA?
Yes, should be safe.
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langhaardack said:
Yes, should be safe.
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I am sure this has been answered somewhere and I did search the forum before posting but right now i am pretty excited about 4.4 and would like the experts to answer this regarding grouper :-
I got the 4.3 update OTA on a rooted 4.2. I later rooted the 4.3 but did not remove any default apps. I also have frano kernel installed and TWRP recovery. Does the kernel and custom recovery affect the OTA process? Am i safe for 4.4 OTA? or shall i unroot, install stock kernel and also stock recovery?
Thanks
You should be fine if you install the stock recovery before the OTA arrives
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Open the SuperSU app on your device.. Go to the app settings and select the option to unroot/clean up.. Reboot. That is all.
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johnlittle88 said:
I am sure this has been answered somewhere and I did search the forum before posting but right now i am pretty excited about 4.4 and would like the experts to answer this regarding grouper :-
I got the 4.3 update OTA on a rooted 4.2. I later rooted the 4.3 but did not remove any default apps. I also have frano kernel installed and TWRP recovery. Does the kernel and custom recovery affect the OTA process? Am i safe for 4.4 OTA? or shall i unroot, install stock kernel and also stock recovery?
Thanks
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Yes, you'll want the stock kernel and stock recovery installed.
On grouper, it can update independent of changes you have made to the system and recovery. This isn't true for all other nexus devices, for example, mako. Doing the 4.4 update will get rid of root for you, but it will flash fine even if you have a custom recovery. You may need to flash stock recovery manually if you don't want custom recovery anymore.
korockinout13 said:
On grouper, it can update independent of changes you have made to the system and recovery. This isn't true for all other nexus devices, for example, mako. Doing the 4.4 update will get rid of root for you, but it will flash fine even if you have a custom recovery. You may need to flash stock recovery manually if you don't want custom recovery anymore.
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In the past, that has failed for me. I'm still one update behind on 4.3 because it would not install and I was too lazy previously to unroot and get it to install.
langhaardack said:
Fastboot flash the stock recovery and don't worry about su because the ota will take care of that.
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Do you know where I can find the recovery itself? Only ones I find in my searching are TWRP and Clockwork.
rougegoat said:
Do you know where I can find the recovery itself? Only ones I find in my searching are TWRP and Clockwork.
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Did you ever find the stock recovery? I'm looking to unroot without losing my app data..
PS, sorry for bringing this back from the dead, but it is exactly what I am looking for.

Safe to update to 4.4 w/stock OTA rooted?

I'm running rooted w/stock OTA 4.3. Are there any special upgrade procedures to update to 4.4 when rooted via Koush superuser and using the stock OTA?
Was able to update to 4.3 OTA w/o incident (see thread below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45183403#post45183403
Bump...any info on whether or not its possible would be appreciated.
It should work as long as everything is stock (including recovery and kernel). You will however lose root, but that can easily be reobtained by flashing it after updating.
mrlad said:
I'm running rooted w/stock OTA 4.3. Are there any special upgrade procedures to update to 4.4 when rooted via Koush superuser and using the stock OTA?
Was able to update to 4.3 OTA w/o incident (see thread below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45183403#post45183403
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If you are rooted why not just flash a rooted stock rom? Confused why you wait for answers from others... I am just curious since I see people do this and it confuses me... Just askin and sorry if you think I may be flamin'.
Do people think the OTA is different somehow or works better somehow
playya said:
If you are rooted why not just flash a rooted stock rom? Confused why you wait for answers from others... I am just curious since I see people do this and it confuses me... Just askin and sorry if you think I may be flamin'.
Do people think the OTA is different somehow or works better somehow
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Pretty sure that if I flash stock ROM I'm going to lose my settings. I've had VERY bad results backing up and restoring going from 4.2 to 4.3 and really don't want to go through that hassle unless absolutely required.
To answer your other question, I just prefer to be on the OTA.
mrlad said:
Pretty sure that if I flash stock ROM I'm going to lose my settings. I've had VERY bad results backing up and restoring going from 4.2 to 4.3 and really don't want to go through that hassle unless absolutely required.
To answer your other question, I just prefer to be on the OTA.
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If you are on a stock rom and flash the upgraded version you wont lose your settings. Flashing one rom over another can be done its just frowned up in some cases. Lets be honest though there are quite a few back up tools out there for you to achieve a duplicated look going from one rom to another within the hour.
I hear ya if you had issues but you sure its not in your procedure. Be glad to help you if you need it. Thanks for answering the question though but I believe your route is more cumbersome than just a simple flash but what ever makes you more comfortable is best I get that
mrlad said:
I'm running rooted w/stock OTA 4.3. Are there any special upgrade procedures to update to 4.4 when rooted via Koush superuser and using the stock OTA?
Was able to update to 4.3 OTA w/o incident (see thread below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45183403#post45183403
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Mine was same specs like yours (stock 4.3 - rooted by Koush superuser) and updated to 4.4 through OTA just fine :good:
Never had any problem with Koush superuser and OTAs on both Nexus 4 & Galaxy Nexus (can't say the same with supersu)
Tried to upgrade to 4.4. The upgrade failed and the phone reports no command when I reboot. Still on stock recovery.
Any suggestions on what I should try next to recover?
Note: I do have TWRP available while running fastboot.
I installed the factory stock image (and formatted the cache but didn't wipe out the userdata image). I know the first boot should take an extended amount of time, but its been showing the rotating circles for about 8 minutes now. What is a reasonable amount of time for the initial boot?
Wiping the cache and the Dalvik cache from TWRP solved it. I'm rooted again and things appear to be back to normal.
playya said:
If you are rooted why not just flash a rooted stock rom? Confused why you wait for answers from others...
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Well....I'm on the stock ROM now (Google forced my hand).
mrlad said:
Well....I'm on the stock ROM now (Google forced my hand).
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what does that mean?
playya said:
what does that mean?
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The 4.4 OTA upgrade failed and wouldn't boot. A poor attempt at humor I guess.
mrlad said:
The 4.4 OTA upgrade failed and wouldn't boot. A poor attempt at humor I guess.
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root it and flash anything you want my friend... take control of your phone back...

[Q] SuperSU OTA or Flash rom?

Howdy
I've followed the instructions on rooting my Nexus 4 along with all subsequent updates from nexus4root.com
However, that site has been inactive since 26Nov, 2013.
So I'm running a rooted stock 4.4 KRT16S and have got the 4.4.2 OTA update sitting on my phone waiting to get installed.
Please help me with advice on one of these two options:
1] A link to a file and instructions where I can update from 4.4 rooted to 4.4.2 rooted.
or
2] Will enabling OTA survival on my SuperSU v1.86 and then tapping on the OTA 4.4.2 on my device work?
Much thanks in advance
Cal.
Clockworkmod recovery 6.0.4.3 is onboard
calvinv said:
Howdy
I've followed the instructions on rooting my Nexus 4 along with all subsequent updates from nexus4root.com
However, that site has been inactive since 26Nov, 2013.
So I'm running a rooted stock 4.4 KRT16S and have got the 4.4.2 OTA update sitting on my phone waiting to get installed.
Please help me with advice on one of these two options:
1] A link to a file and instructions where I can update from 4.4 rooted to 4.4.2 rooted.
or
2] Will enabling OTA survival on my SuperSU v1.86 and then tapping on the OTA 4.4.2 on my device work?
Much thanks in advance
Cal.
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Downloaded the factory image of 4.4.2 and flash. Since you are rooted do a nandroid backup, a Titanium Backup, and backup your sdcard because all of it will be wiped. This is if you are determined to have the stock 4.4.2 this is the only thing I can think of to get there.
You can also try a custom rom as well.
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Thank you Berry.
Wouldn't that cause me to lose root?
Supersu paid version is the only one that has survival mode(or originally was) and that's not guaranteed.
Definitely won't survive a factory image flash.
I know it works OTA from 4.3 to 4.4 but haven't tried 4.4,1 to 4.4.2. Should work and if it doesn't it is easy enough to re root.
Any problems feel free to ask.
Phone : Nexus 4 /Rom : cataclysm / Kernel : Stock.
calvinv said:
Thank you Berry.
Wouldn't that cause me to lose root?
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Yes, it would. Do this (only) if you are determined to run stock 4.4.2.
Sorry for the delay, if you don't quote, I won't get a notification.
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calvinv said:
Thank you Berry.
Wouldn't that cause me to lose root?
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You'll lose it but then just flash back supersu zip file and you're back rocking a rooted nexus. And btw, you don't need to flash factory image for 4.4.2. Just go to general section and look for a thread name OTA Helpdesk (use search option mate ) and flash/sideload the OTA file in recovery (preferably stock recovery or you can use twrp but cwm is a no go for OTA). Then flash back supersu. This is the easiest way and you still keep all your apps/data intact.
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Sorry for the delay, if you don't quote, I won't get a notification.
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My bad, though I learnt something new there
Another of your comments made me decide to take the alternative ROM plunge.
So (deep breath) I've just flashed Paranoid Android's most recent rom
Loving the multi tiles within quick settings feature.
For the first half hour I kept trying to figure out where PA's setting are. After quite a bit of searching online, I found out that since it's being newly developed on KitKat, there are no PA settings at this point. Hope I've got that right?
Much thanks
Cal.
arffrhn said:
Just go to general section and look for a thread name OTA Helpdesk
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That was the perfect thread which answered my original query. Thank you and Bladebuddy

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