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[Q] Looking for advice on S4 ROM

Hi all,
I once more turn to XDA gurus for some advice and also questions. Let me start with saying that I have very basic experience with android phones: my main phone is an iPhone but I love to play with Android devices to fill in the iOS blanks. I own a Samsung Infuse (with a custom ROM but very unstable) and briefly had an HTC One but returned it.
Anyway, I bought an AT&T S4; it's unlocked and works great. However I'm in Canada on Rogers and couldn't care less about the bloatware installed on it. Here come the questions:
- Does anyone know of a way to install the stock Rogers ROM on this phone (more like where to get it)?
- Alternately, would you recommend to install another ROM?
Here's the thing: a week after I bought mine, Google announced the Google editions; would have known I would have waited to get that.
- Would it be recommendable to flash the Google ROM on my phone?
- Would there be a way to install some of the Samsung SPKs on such a ROM (I could never seem to do it on my Infuse)?
I know how to flash a ROM, and it's well documented in the Forums. I'm more after opinions; my experience with flashing ROMs on my Infuse has been spotty at best. Seems like no matter what I did, the phone would become unusably unstable after a while. This scares me because it seems like the Infuse is one of the most modded phones out there... The S4 is very impressive and I don't want to hinder it's performance in any way.
If none of this is doable/recommendable, then I might sell this one and pay the extra $100 and get the Google edition.
I appreciate any input!
Thanks

Well, I know it's not polite to bump your own post, but I would really appreciate some feedback.
And actually I'll add a bit more to it: let's say I either try the Google ROM or decide to buy a Google Edition, there are some pretty cool apps included with the Samsung version (such as multi window and air gestures). Is it possible to have those available on the Google Edition/ROM?
Thanks and sorry again for my lack of knowledge in the area...

technosinner said:
Well, I know it's not polite to bump your own post, but I would really appreciate some feedback.
And actually I'll add a bit more to it: let's say I either try the Google ROM or decide to buy a Google Edition, there are some pretty cool apps included with the Samsung version (such as multi window and air gestures). Is it possible to have those available on the Google Edition/ROM?
Thanks and sorry again for my lack of knowledge in the area...
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Consensus with the GE ROMs for the S4 are that they're WAY too stripped down in comparison to other AOSP options (of which GE is NOT, it's actually TW disguised as AOSP). I, personally, would avoid using GE and instead opt for something like AOKP if you want that same feel. I just flashed FoxHound and really like the hybrid aspect of it in the fact that you keep all the gimmicky TW features (the hover and voice stuff as well as multi-window), the menu structures are similar, but it brings all the bonuses that having an AOSP ROM does. There are some extra steps involved which @Axman has taken his time to explain (you have to manually input your APN), but the end result is worth it.
Good luck and read around.
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well spoken my friend. Thanks

Thank you very much for the clarification. I was actually in the process of reading Axman's posts. To be honest I'm totally overwhelmed. I didn't imagine it to be so complicated; I'm really torn between ROM and keeping stock because of the TW cool stuff... I will keep reading around as all good n00b should.
Thanks!

technosinner said:
Thank you very much for the clarification. I was actually in the process of reading Axman's posts. To be honest I'm totally overwhelmed. I didn't imagine it to be so complicated; I'm really torn between ROM and keeping stock because of the TW cool stuff... I will keep reading around as all good n00b should.
Thanks!
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It's much less complicated than it seems, but you do need to follow the steps as outlined or you could end up with anything from a borked flash to a bricked phone depending on what you're trying to do. I recommend playing with a i337m ROM that is TW-based for your first, just to get the hang of things as it'll provide the least steep learning curve. Go for these steps at first:
1. Enable Developer Options (go to Settings/About/tap on build until it says they're enabled)
2. Run one click root/recovery from Adam Outler
3. Transfer and flash ROM of your choice
Just know that people flash for different reasons ranging from wanting less bloat to more battery life to a morbid case of flashaholism (such as myself and @TheAxman). There's nothing saying you have to go balls to the wall here and you may find yourself completely happy with the stock ROM and a better kernel. Just read up and it'll make perfect sense.
Last word of advice: have Odin and the stock ROM on hand so you can flash back to stock if necessary. Some ROMs don't play well when flashed on top of others, even if you do a full wipe.
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I was actually in the exact same situation as you.
However, I decided to flash a TW based ROM to keep all the cool Samsung features.
I'd recommend any of the Stock Based ones here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2312444
Just do your research and look for the features you need.

Thanks a lot guys! I'll be doing some reading but at least I know where to look.
One last thing: I keep seeing this loki thing around. Since I'm on an att version I got that I need it, but what exactly is it and where can I get it? I see a lot of references to it, but I can't seem to find a download link or a tutorial on it...
Thanks again!
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Don' t take the loki thing and run with it..if you are rooted and have recovery installed, flash the rom of choice and use a att kernel that already has been loki'ed.
Simple. That way you will never go wrong.
The Ax says this is my method of choice. Could care less about loki.

I recommend cm10.1 . It is aosp based, tins of features, fast, and just nice to use. I use it on my att sgs4 right now. It is nightly release but it is VERY STABLE. Ge is just tw with an aosp fanboy shirt on .lol.
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[Q] Rooting my Note3, what and how now?

Hey guys, just a quick question. Please please excuse me for I am definitely a noob, but I've done some research about rooting and what it offers yet I still don't know how to use it. It feels much like learning how to drive a stick... understanding in theory, but difficult in application until practice. My note 3 is rooted, but I still have no idea what and how much I can do from here. Not to mention, while I'm doing research and trying to educate myself, there are some names and terms I do not understand. Anyway, let me just write some of the questions I have in a list:
1) Cyanogenmod. Is it available for verizon note 3 running 4.3? I keep getting search results that there are while the cyanogenmod website itself doesn't offer it? I also got a Nexus 7 to try to expand my knowledge in this field, and it does have cyanogenmod installed. Now, to my understanding, it runs side by side with the Android OS while it basically strips the device's bloatware, giving you the pure, simple, raw experience of Android OS. If I were to install cyanogenmod to the note 3, how would it affect the camera functions and the s pen functions? The reason why I ask about the camera is because using my Nexus's camera and looking at some youtube videos of note 2's with cyanogenmod, it seems like it would actually be a downgrade from the note 3's stock camera. And as far as the S pen goes, I've realized that I would lose the action notes, s notes, and sketchbook for galaxy apps, wouldn't I? How could I go around that?
2) Flashing ROMS. What exactly does this do? All I can find is that it allows me to customize my phone, but I don't seem to understand to what extent.
3) Kernels. What are these?
Lol, so sorry for such basic questions. But I would really really appreciate your patience and information!

CyanogenMod is unofficially available for the Note 3. Not everything works. CyanogenMod is a ROM that changes the software on the phone. It's a more customized version of Android, and very close to "stock". If you use CyanogenMod however, you will lose your S-Pen and it's features, along with all of the other TouchWiz features of the phone (gestures, split screen, etc.). The S-pen will act as a basic mouse pointer. CyanogenMod is not pure AOSP, it's quite far from it. It's similar, but very different from a pure Google experience. It's really a beast of it's own in my opinion, and is now a stand alone company that will seek to profit off of the ROM (likely by coming standard on some devices). That's not to say it isn't good, I run it on most of my other devices but on the Note 3, without the S-Pen it's just a big phone.
ROM's are customized versions of Android typically created by a developer or group of developers. The features of each ROM will change. A 4.3 TouchWiz rom might remove all of the carrier bloat (applications not likely used, but run in the background and offer little no actual use to anyone). They'll also provide enhancements and tweaks that make life a little easier like a quick-access flashlight tied to your volume up button, or the ability to remove certain icons from the notification panel, a batter percentage indicator in the notification panel, removing the exchange security permissions, or just general speed improvements over the factory settings. There are many advantages to a ROM and once you use them you'll likely never go back to stock. The ROM features are typically listed in the ROM's topic.
There are many ROM's out there for many different devices, so make sure you only install one that is made for your phone. You'll also hear about AOSP ROM's, these are stock or close-to-stock versions of Android, typically found on Nexus devices. The way Google intended Android to be used.
Android uses a Linux Kernal. It's a customized version of Linux. It's the base operating system behind Android. Similar to ROM's, different kernals can offer different levels of customization, however they won't be as prevalent as a ROM since they deal more with the core of the operating system. The Kernal will manage the drivers for all the different components of the phone, like your radios (how you receive a phone signal), your sensors, camera, CPU, etc. Be especially careful when changing Kernals, it can drastically affect your phone, and possibly permanently.
I'll put in the caveat that this is my understanding, and may not be 100% accurate. People are welcome to correct my mistakes and misunderstandings I may have =)
I hope you find it helpful!

Thank you for your response and information!
Okay, so I guess Cyanogenmod for the Note 3 is not an option for me since I enjoy using my S pen (I mean, why else would I have gotten the phone in the first place haha)
Could you direct me to some useful ROMs or recommend me some? The thing is, I had the Motorola Droid as my first smartphone and never really got into rooting or anything, and when I got the iPhone 4s, that's when I started learning about jailbreaking and got pretty good at it too. Now that I'm back to Android and learning about root, I've realized just how.. simple and basic jailbreaking is compared to rooting. So, would these ROMs be similar to tweaks you can get from the Cydia store in, let's say, behavior of the phone?
I don't think I would want to mess with kernels for a long while either, not until I get more acquainted with rooting in general.

ch0i said:
Thank you for your response and information!
Okay, so I guess Cyanogenmod for the Note 3 is not an option for me since I enjoy using my S pen (I mean, why else would I have gotten the phone in the first place haha)
Could you direct me to some useful ROMs or recommend me some? The thing is, I had the Motorola Droid as my first smartphone and never really got into rooting or anything, and when I got the iPhone 4s, that's when I started learning about jailbreaking and got pretty good at it too. Now that I'm back to Android and learning about root, I've realized just how.. simple and basic jailbreaking is compared to rooting. So, would these ROMs be similar to tweaks you can get from the Cydia store in, let's say, behavior of the phone?
I don't think I would want to mess with kernels for a long while either, not until I get more acquainted with rooting in general.
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Well first thing you need is safestrap so you can actually flash a ROM link here
This allows you to create limited size slots to flash a ROM to without effecting the stock ROM. There is a way around the size limitation of the slots, but I wouldn't worry about that yet. Just get a feel for it first before you risk bricking.
As for a ROM, head on over to the android development section and pick one. They all have great descriptions of what they have and what they don't. Personally I run hyperdrive and it makes a great daily driver. Still has enough of the original Samsung stuff to look like a Note 3 but allows you to tweak it much further. There are plenty others, and that's the beauty of safestrap, flash to your heart a content until you find one you like.
Kernals aren't something to worry about yet because the boot loader is still locked, limiting our ability to flash a kernal or a custom recovery at that. Unless something has changed that is... Has it? Did it get unlocked while I was asleep.
I you ever get stuck, search then ask. You might also want to read about ODIN here. since you're already rooted some of this doesn't pertain to you, but is still a good read as ODIN will help you recover from some problems.
Hope that helped.

blksprk said:
Well first thing you need is safestrap so you can actually flash a ROM link here
This allows you to create limited size slots to flash a ROM to without effecting the stock ROM. There is a way around the size limitation of the slots, but I wouldn't worry about that yet. Just get a feel for it first before you risk bricking.
As for a ROM, head on over to the android development section and pick one. They all have great descriptions of what they have and what they don't. Personally I run hyperdrive and it makes a great daily driver. Still has enough of the original Samsung stuff to look like a Note 3 but allows you to tweak it much further. There are plenty others, and that's the beauty of safestrap, flash to your heart a content until you find one you like.
Kernals aren't something to worry about yet because the boot loader is still locked, limiting our ability to flash a kernal or a custom recovery at that. Unless something has changed that is... Has it? Did it get unlocked while I was asleep.
I you ever get stuck, search then ask. You might also want to read about ODIN here. since you're already rooted some of this doesn't pertain to you, but is still a good read as ODIN will help you recover from some problems.
Hope that helped.
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It did! Thank you very much!

ch0i said:
It did! Thank you very much!
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The only option with Safestrap and therefore on newer Verizon Note 3's is a ROM based on stock, so Cyanogenmod isn't an option at all.
I would consider Hyperdrive. Enhanced app windowing options, Xposed framework to get rid of earphone hearing damage warning and never ending reminder about how to clear default apps and tons of little customizations. Getting rid of boot sound is reason enough for me.
Other things on your checklist whether you get a custom ROM or not is Adaware, which you can download on xda to block ads. Need Titanium Backup to back up apps with data, something you can't do without root and very useful when switching ROMs or phones. Lots of other useful tools like Root Explorer on Google Play. If you stick with your stock ROM, do the mod to allow free tethering for Wi-Fi.
Since you like your S Pen, you need Pen Window Manager, available on Play to choose for yourself which apps can run in a pen window. That was one of the big reasons I wanted to root this phone.
By the way, once you find a ROM you like, it's best to nandroid back it up, backup the stock ROM for safety, then restore your custom ROM to the Safestrap stock slot. The ROM 1-4 slots have limited storage so not great long term solution if you have a lot of apps, etc.
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[Q] 4.2 rooted or 4.4 update?

So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...

scottiemedic said:
So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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I own both an I337 and an M919 and, given the flexibility of the M919, I was able to try both official and leaked 4.4 TW releases mainly for the I9505. Based on those experiences I would say take the update. 4.4 update should be noticeably faster.
In regard to keeping root, I'm hoping SuperSu Pro's Survival mode works.

I'd say go with the update if you don't care about root. The only problem is Knox is more locked down, also more bloat/crap ware on the new update. I do love the camera on the lockscreen, plus the album artwork on the lock screen is a big + for me. I don't know if art is implemented into the gs4 but it does make a difference but the only thing is, is that most apps are not optimized for it yet.
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So should I revert the few changes I have done? IE, I've killed startup apps with ES Task Manager and (obviously) disabled the software update checker.

I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.

As far as experience goes, I say wait and keep your options open. I like the freedom of a clean rom, free from bloat and clutter of apps that i dont use. Not to mention a battery life that exceeds far beyond a regular un-rooted device. Visit the numerous threads of other people's experiences. I'm rooted and have been able to try out different rooms from 4.2 to 4.4. Accepting an ota will unroot your device without anyway of reverting back. Good luck with your decision.
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aiwapro said:
I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
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If you're on the not locked down version, then you shouldn't take the update. It will lock your bootloader and that device will never see an AOSP ROM again. You should wait for something like StockUp to be updated to the new 4.4 or use any of the many other 4.4 ROMs available. If you really want to get one with the stock update and locked bootloaders, I'm sure someone would love to trade.

aiwapro said:
I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
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We were able to get the MK2 tar files rather quickly after the OTA release and will hopefully be able to get the 4.4 tars just as quickly. If that's the case you will be able to flash all partitions, except the bootloader, to run the 4.4 ROM and keep your unlocked bootloader. I would not give up the unlocked bootloader if I were you.

scottiemedic said:
So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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Sounds like you are not someone that really uses or needs root like us flashaholics. I love having complete control over my devices. The extraordinary battery life, increased performance, extra capabilities like tethering and so forth. If I want to delete an un-wanted app or service ( At&t navigator anyone) or try a new rom I can. With a stock rom with locked boot loaders (really an oxymoron for "open source" Android isn't it?) you have what you get, like it or not. It's sad they load these awesome devices up with so much performance killing bloat ware. It's like buying a new corvette & then attaching a loaded u-haul trailer to it. What's the point of having it if you can't use it as intended? Anyway my 2 cents worth. Choose your path wisely grasshopper, as there's no turning back.

Hello everyone!
I have been thinking about getting myself one of these lovely phones but after reading what y'all have been saying about the locked bootloader I'm not sure I want to... I won't be able to actually get a phone until next week so I'm assuming it will come already pre-loaded with this update??
I would like to be able to root this phone just like I did my old ET4G from Sprint... would this be an option if I was to get one next week?
Just an FYI I will be on the AT&T network.
ttfn
CDL

crazy_dragonlady said:
Hello everyone!
I have been thinking about getting myself one of these lovely phones but after reading what y'all have been saying about the locked bootloader I'm not sure I want to... I won't be able to actually get a phone until next week so I'm assuming it will come already pre-loaded with this update??
I would like to be able to root this phone just like I did my old ET4G from Sprint... would this be an option if I was to get one next week?
Just an FYI I will be on the AT&T network.
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Get a nexus 5. You'll love it
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jd1639 said:
Get a nexus 5. You'll love it
Sent from my Nexus 5
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AT&T doesn't offer that phone... unless I'm just not seeing it LOL

crazy_dragonlady said:
AT&T doesn't offer that phone... unless I'm just not seeing it LOL
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They don't but it works fine on att. Very easy to root and mod. No locked bootloader.
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John The Rhino said:
Sounds like you are not someone that really uses or needs root like us flashaholics. I love having complete control over my devices. The extraordinary battery life, increased performance, extra capabilities like tethering and so forth. If I want to delete an un-wanted app or service ( At&t navigator anyone) or try a new rom I can. With a stock rom with locked boot loaders (really an oxymoron for "open source" Android isn't it?) you have what you get, like it or not. It's sad they load these awesome devices up with so much performance killing bloat ware. It's like buying a new corvette & then attaching a loaded u-haul trailer to it. What's the point of having it if you can't use it as intended? Anyway my 2 cents worth. Choose your path wisely grasshopper, as there's no turning back.
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I guess I've just never gotten any real good info on WHAT my rooted GS4 can do. I'd love to extend battery life and tether, but without really knowing all the possible downfalls, I've never pulled the trigger on like system apps, bloatware, etc. You know of a good resource for slightly technical people with clear definitions of what certain programs do and what can and can't be deleted?
I think at the time I rooted (I'm a MF3 S4), there was no 'unrooting' or flashing to stock, and therefore have been reluctant. I know I don't spend enough time on here learning, my 5 and 2 year old suck all my extra time away.
I'd love to maximize my phone to it's greater abilities, just overwhelmed I guess on where to start as I'm perfectly happy on 4.2 (I owned 3 iPhones before getting this one, so I have limited Android experience, but I recently also got an ASUS TF300 and rooted and ROMed my Kindle Fire almost 2 years ago to CM9).

scottiemedic said:
I guess I've just never gotten any real good info on WHAT my rooted GS4 can do. I'd love to extend battery life and tether, but without really knowing all the possible downfalls, I've never pulled the trigger on like system apps, bloatware, etc. You know of a good resource for slightly technical people with clear definitions of what certain programs do and what can and can't be deleted?
I think at the time I rooted (I'm a MF3 S4), there was no 'unrooting' or flashing to stock, and therefore have been reluctant. I know I don't spend enough time on here learning, my 5 and 2 year old suck all my extra time away.
I'd love to maximize my phone to it's greater abilities, just overwhelmed I guess on where to start as I'm perfectly happy on 4.2 (I owned 3 iPhones before getting this one, so I have limited Android experience, but I recently also got an ASUS TF300 and rooted and ROMed my Kindle Fire almost 2 years ago to CM9).
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Hey man, no worries. The reality is I would much rather play with my kids (if I had any) than an electronic device. So it's nice to know your priorities are right. There's few picture worthy moments we get from our phones, but kids provide such memories constantly. For everyday use, stock is fine & was for me for a little while. You are doing the right thing by waiting until you know more before you do something wrong & brick your phone. This is the place where you can learn how to root, install Safestrap recovery & flash incredible custom rom on your mf3 S4 when you are ready.

[ROM][SM-T800] stock Deodexed FN8

[LSD] Proudly Present​Galaxy Tab S 10.5 Stock ROM Deodexed [Rooted]​
Code:
Bla bla your warranty is void and you know that :rolleyes: or is it?
*Screenshots are taken from a note 10.1 (2012 edition) but apps are from Tab-S!
For changelog go to post 2
For information go to post 3
*Stock Modified Boot.img
*Stock Kernel
*Deodexed
*Zipaligned
*Init.d support
*Busybox
*Unsecure Kernel
*More stuff i don't remember
*Knox Removed Partially [Not sure if its in kernel as well]
*SE Linux Enforcing [Kernel sources ins't out or?]
Install Instructions
Extract updater-script to desktop and edit the partition details
repack the zip and flash using CWM Recovery
Special Thanks to
@open1your1eyes0
Download
P.S If you succeeded downloading the torrent please feel free to upload it to a host, i don't have access to any good file hosting service

Changelog
v0.1
Initial relase once CWM is available please report

Feel free to use this package however you wan't to.
You can even improve it however you wan't to i don't mind. No credits are needed i'm just here for sharing

Can't wait to try this
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Thanks for this....BUT...custom recovery would be nice. Anyone working on it?

Patiently waiting for custom recovery! Look forward to trying this.

iMJets said:
Patiently waiting for custom recovery! Look forward to trying this.
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Well I don't think anyone is working on it, so we are stuck with stock. I'm sure eventually we will, but Dev action on this thing is poor.

suzook said:
Well I don't think anyone is working on it, so we are stuck with stock. I'm sure eventually we will, but Dev action on this thing is poor.
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Have you heard something? I never owned something that did not have cool stuff.

One of the problems facing the S model is that Samsung just came out with the Pro model and most of the people who wanted a tablet of this caliber already bought that. If there never had been a Pro model I feel confident we would be getting a lot more activity.
Anyway we already have root and at least the 8.4 guys have a kernel.

mitchellvii said:
One of the problems facing the S model is that Samsung just came out with the Pro model and most of the people who wanted a tablet of this caliber already bought that. If there never had been a Pro model I feel confident we would be getting a lot more activity.
Anyway we already have root and at least the 8.4 guys have a kernel.
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Only reason we have root,is beanstown did us a favor. If he had a tab, We would have custom recovery and custom ROMs already. I really don't understand why people won't donate a device.

mitchellvii said:
One of the problems facing the S model is that Samsung just came out with the Pro model and most of the people who wanted a tablet of this caliber already bought that. If there never had been a Pro model I feel confident we would be getting a lot more activity.
Anyway we already have root and at least the 8.4 guys have a kernel.
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indeed

suzook said:
Only reason we have root,is beanstown did us a favor. If he had a tab, We would have custom recovery and custom ROMs already. I really don't understand why people won't donate a device.
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Because xda is based wholly on developers doing others favors and not on being compensated in advance to do so. Anyone who enjoys bean's work is free to donate to him after the fact. Xda is a volunteer network, not a marketplace.
Just be patient. We'll get our share of kernels and roms eventually. It's not like the Tab S is a worthless brick without it. For me this performs better than any tablet I've ever owned as is.

Exactly. And it isn't as though you can't get much of what you would want from a custom ROM via Xposed, launchers, and the like.

HughesNet said:
Exactly. And it isn't as though you can't get much of what you would want from a custom ROM via Xposed, launchers, and the like.
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Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
** Edit: I put this badly. What I meant was that roms seem to people like themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in. They are not the game changers they used to be when these devices had weak processors and a few hundred extra benchmark points really meant something.
Roms are awesome, but they aren't as vital as they once were.

mitchellvii said:
Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
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I couldn't disagree more. That's ridiculous.

mitchellvii said:
Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
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Couldn't disagree with you more. There are alot of edits done to system files that you don't know about. Alot of work goes into incorporating those mods that people like you take for granted. Please don't be ignorant.

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Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
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I have built & released custom ROMs based on Samsung official firmware.
There is a huge amount of work involved to create these ROMs and even more to support them. That's why I quit. ... (Not enough time in the day). I rarely used Xposed except for unsupported DPI changes.
Samsung "stock" ROMs are based on official Samsung firmware.
CM is "stock" ROM based on official Google source.
Based on the above, both CM and Samsung "custom" ROMs are both "stock" and "custom" (as in customised)..... If you customise anything, then it is "custom"
I am sure though that your post doesn't exactly read what you really meant.
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Let me clarify. I think I put that badly.
While roms are quite an bit more work than just debloating, theming and using xposed, many of them feel to the user like that was all that was done, especially with these incredibly fast new processors that can overpower and make even not the best code run fast and smooth. I recall years ago when the HTC Evo came out. A good rom could make a HUGE difference in performance. Now take the Note 3. Using a great rom there by Freeza. Sure it's a little better than stock but the improvement isn't nearly as dramatic as in the past.
I guess my overall point is this. The Tab S is such an excellent device that even if if no one ever creates a rom for us, we will still be able to have a fast solid machine. Roms are awesome but they are not the game changers they once were.

mitchellvii said:
Let me clarify. I think I put that badly.
While roms are quite an bit more work than just debloating, theming and using xposed, many of them feel to the user like that was all that was done, especially with these incredibly fast new processors that can overpower and make even not the best code run fast and smooth. I recall years ago when the HTC Evo came out. A good rom could make a HUGE difference in performance. Now take the Note 3. Using a great rom there by Freeza. Sure it's a little better than stock but the improvement isn't nearly as dramatic in the past.
I guess my overall point is this. The Tab S is such an excellent device that even if if no one ever creates a rom for us, we will still be able to have a fast solid machine. Roms are awesome but they are not the game changers they once were.
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I couldn't more then agree with you.
We already got the horse power of the tablet I never over clocked my s4 or note 10.1 because I don't feel the need to. Basically its the New features of other devices I'm curious to try out. that's why note 10.1 (2012) got the file manager from this tab and it's beautiful. A Rom is fast with a good options to choose for the user so he can make it his. Speed isn't anything that's basically needed of course its fun to use the max power but for the love of your tablet be careful. that's why I haven't included anything of these kind of apps.
Also just to mention one app is missing because it didn't deodex successfully. will add it as an optional package.
Again this is just a pure stock deodex rom I don't own this tablet but I decided since i used it for porting and there was no deodexed rom I'd make one. Does anyone know what partition boot image is at?
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Wasn't Xposed designed to give the average user access to customizations they would typically only get in a rom previously? Sort of like a WYSIWYG editor instead of writing out the code by hand? And launchers speed up your experience in many of the ways only roms used to. With root and a decent app anyone can debloat their rig.
So many of the things we used to need roms for we no longer do. Of course roms like CM make a bigger difference but then again you give up some cool functionality. It's like taking the surround sound out of a racecar. Yeah you go faster but you miss your tunes (or split screen as the case may be).
Anyway, for me root and a good kernel are essential. Roms? A luxury but no longer the staple they used to be. That's not to say luxuries aren't nice and I'm sure I'll indulge if a certified developer cooks one up for us, but even if they never do I'm ok. This tablet still rocks.
DISCLAIMER: Everything I've written here is simply my opinion and the viewpoint of a non developer. I am not attempting to pontificate some greater truth, it's simply how I see it. If you disagree with me that's all good. It's a big tent here and room for lots of different viewpoints. ☺

What is the best (latest/ updated) custom rom for note 3 SM-N9005?

I just rooted my phone and installed cwm recovery, now I want to flash custom rom, I also want to keep the S Note, Action Memo app. Any suggestions? Sorry I am new to all of these. Thank you in advance for your help.
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As per some rule you can't ask for best ROM/ Kernel suggestion, but I like stock based ROMs, so I use the Deodex version of OF3 ROM, Deodex because I need Xposed. If you don't need that you can use Odex version.
This is the one I use, http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development/rom-qs-n9005-lp-t3037655
OF3 however is not latest, OGX (X=something) is, but I don't care really. The above ROM doesn't come with a lot of options, just very few features added, but that's what I like, as close as possible to stock ROM. If you don't need Xposed and need a ROM with lots of features then look for AryaMod.

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As per some rule you can't ask for best ROM/ Kernel suggestion.
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Not true anymore, mods changed it
They even made a front page discussion about people favourite

To advise someone what is the best, Is based on there own experience and opinion.
My own experience may be mainly gaming.....
Or it may be with Business models, Each depends on the type of feedback, result in complete different ROMS....
Can you see where am going with this?
I can answer you question, but only Vague:
S note and Action Memo - Why????
The reason i ask, if you want to keep them, Then you can only go with a TW based ROM. This is the TouchWiz (Samsung ROM)
If you dnot have a valid reason, other than you use them.
The a CM or any AOSP Based ROM, Does not have ANY TouchWiz Feature, For example, the Spen, The Menu, The functions.
But there are additional Apps that are matched in results or in some cases better (As they have been developed on the feedback of the note users)
S-Pen command is an example.
Then you can get addition application like: Fiinote that are just as good as Action Memo, Or EverNote or OneNote.
The LIST Goes one.
My one advise to you, Is to enjoy flashing and try them all, See what grabs your attention, Every person on XDA is different, and this is possibly why one of the rules come in about BEST ROMS.
Its too much optionion based, and everyone has there own option.
I hope this is not a complete pointless post, and helps a little.
But there is no harm in trying, and you will have alot of Fun seeing each developers take on it

Thank you so much @dave7802 for your help. I really appreciate it and it all makes sense. Everybody has own different preference. That is what I am going to do, I will try different roms and see where to stick. Glad I have this XDA app on my phone and receiving info and answers from you guys. Thanks again sir. Cheers!
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Not true anymore, mods changed it
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Okay, that's excellent! I never did like that decision anyway. Thanks for informing mate.

My advice is Audax L. Stock based, reliable, always up the date, all mods which are neccessary and useful, easy flashable with aroma installer and has own costum kernel which is always up the date and really good for performance and battery consuming. Just try it.

Alliance...

Morningstar said:
Alliance...
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+1 (not biased at all)

Do the non-tw Roms support pressure sensitivity through ie; sketchbook? It's been a long time since an official lollipop update. .

I'm usin' the DarkLord s6 port V2.0 from several weeks as daily driver, it's good and reliable, no problems exept a minor bug with fast notes.
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How do you guys stay on TW?
I love it, the features dont get me wrong, Some of them are very nice.
But the speed is notability different coming from using CM for more than 12 months.
Small things like, Notification Status Pull Down, the delay from swiping down, to it appearing is noticeable slow.
App Drawer, open close applications, Accessing menus, All have a delayed response. Multi Tasking loading.
I have tried the following ROMs,
Dark Lord S6 and Note variants.
AryaMod V7.2
Norma Rom
Alliance
The BEST in regards to speed, But still noticeable is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development/rom-qs-n9005-lp-t3037655
As another user advised (Thanks)
This is no slander, As i do enjoy touchwiz, But i will admit, i am a speed freak, When i want someone i want it yesterday.

dave7802 said:
How do you guys stay on TW?
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To me CM/AOSP has too many missing UI/UX features, requiring more swipes and clicks for activities I perform. Also, once one has actually grown accustomed to TW, it requires time to learn. If you're busy in your life, you don't want to be non-performing and slow for 2 weeks when learning the ins-and-outs of a new ROM/UI/UX variant.
That's why I have not switched.
I accept the slowness of TW, but it's not too slow for me (and I multi-task a lot).
I'd be willing to try out CM builds, but it seems impossible to find realisting non-fanboy reviews of CM builds on Note3, that detail:
- what real bugs there are (sometimes the small annoying bits in Wifi/BT/sleep/battery can drive one inside, even if 90% of casual users don't notice them)
- what Pen/TW/camera module features does one has to give up when switching to non-Samsung ROM? CM/AOSP ROMs will always be missing Samsung libs, apps and as such many hardware supported features due to their generic nature. I have not seen an honest list that just lists all the missing features from Note3 CM/AOSP roms, without resorting to "nobody uses that feature anyway, so I didn't list it" type of comments.
Just backing up, cleaning up, flashing, re-installing, re-merging apps and data is so much work (full work day for me) that I just don't have time for that, unless I know what kind of deep doo-doo I'm going to end up with.
This, imho, is one of the reasons preventing some users from switching over, but yes, Samsung's "we are too lazy to update Note 3" policy is really pushing me towards CM builds
BTW, to not be totally off-topic I'm using DarkLord 5.0.2 build and it is so-so. Sometimes it lags badly. Sometimes it closes background apps by itself (way too fast, even with no huge multitasking). I'd like to get it patched and update to 5.1.1. but until Samsung releases the 5.1.1 ROM for Note 3, no such luck.

How do I stay on TW?
The simple answer is, I bought a Note 3, there are quite a lot of micro/ small things which make it a Note, and as long as I want to use a Note phone like a Note phone, I would use TouchWiz, end of story.
I am a professional. I need quite a lot of things. If I were a kid with no life other than to show off to friends hey look I have the latest version of Android, do you have it?, and take pride in that, probably I would go the AOSP route. Thank me that I can't be one of those low IQ people! :laugh: If you don't have the brain to process what's good/ complete and what's pathetic/ half baked nonsense, then anything which comes with a decent enough packing will look good to you.

devilsdouble said:
How do I stay on TW?
I am a professional. I need quite a lot of things. If I were a kid with no life other than to show off to friends hey look I have the latest version of Android, do you have it?, and take pride in that, probably I would go the AOSP route. Thank me that I can't be one of those low IQ people! :laugh: If you don't have the brain to process what's good/ complete and what's pathetic/ half baked nonsense, then anything which comes with a decent enough packing will look good to you.
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I've never seen someone start a sentence saying "I'm a professional" and then write such a stupid post.

smeddy said:
I've never seen someone start a sentence saying "I'm a professional" and then write such a stupid post.
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Yeah, like I give a lot of damn.

devilsdouble said:
Yeah, like I give a lot of damn.
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I know you dont. Thankyou for being part of this community.

I have tried 90% of the note 3 rom on XDA, here's my result:
Best Rom
TW ROM: Audax
AOSP/CM: Temasak

devilsdouble said:
How do I stay on TW?
The simple answer is, I bought a Note 3, there are quite a lot of micro/ small things which make it a Note, and as long as I want to use a Note phone like a Note phone, I would use TouchWiz, end of story.
I am a professional. I need quite a lot of things. If I were a kid with no life other than to show off to friends hey look I have the latest version of Android, do you have it?, and take pride in that, probably I would go the AOSP route. Thank me that I can't be one of those low IQ people! :laugh: If you don't have the brain to process what's good/ complete and what's pathetic/ half baked nonsense, then anything which comes with a decent enough packing will look good to you.
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Spot on couldn't agree more, with all points.