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Just want to share my experience of 'best' charging method that can maximize the battery life of my Nexus one.
Firstly, let me introduce my equip:
- Machine: Nexus one
- Rom: FRF91 Stock, Deodexed, rooted, busybox... (Geo411m)
- Kernel: intersectRaven's 2.6.35_AVS-925mV_CFS_20100802_1056.zip
- Control: SetCPU, Interactive: 245-960Mhz when on, and 245-245 when screen off
The key method of obtaining max. battery life is the 'GOLDEN' time from 100% drop down to 99%. Once the battery shows dropping from 100 to 99%, the dropping speed is quite stably fast onwards
So, how to retain 100% longer before dropping to 99%? Below are the steps that really work for me:
1) Charge the phone to green light, some where between 90% and 100% (say: 95%)
2) Disconnect USB charging cable
3) Turn off the phone
4) Connect USB charging cable and charge the phone, it should show orange light
5) Set a timer, remember to *ONLY charge the phone for around 20-25mins*
6) The concept is NOT to charge the phone until you get green light. In order words, you need to charge the phone from 95% for 20-25mins where the light is kept ORANGE with the phone turned off!!!
7) After 20-25mins, disconnect USB cable and power on your nexus phone
8) You are done and the battery should last longer before dropping to 99%
9) Time in step (5) depends, you need to trial-&-error
For my experience, I normally charge the phone before I sleep and disconnect the charger. In the morning when I get up, it usually shows around 95% of battery. Then, I power off the phone and charge it. And then I take breakfast, bla bla bla ~ and after around 20mins, disconnect the charger and go to work. The battery can retain 100% for around 30mins of continuous web browsing, facebooking... and when I reach my office, sometimes, the battery still shows 100% !!!
So, above is my experience of how to maximize the 100% retaining time.
Please feel free to try and share with us whether it really works for you
Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often.
I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car.
All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
^ Well looking at your usage, and the plenty charging points, of course you dont care. However, some ppl browse a lot, play games, so every last inch of battery life means something.
I just keep spare batteries in my pockets =D
I will try your golden tips.. then I will write my thoughts.
I thank you for sharing.
Screwing up the battery meter does not get you more battery life, period, and I suspect your shenanigans here is doing that. The battery has a set capacity, it's not going to charge more than that.
The Nexus One and a lot of other modern phones with modern batteries DO NOT trickle charge, they charge to 100% and STOP charging. When the phone drops to a certain limit, it charges more. Repeat as long as it's on the charger. This is why you might see it "drop a few percent" when you pull the charger.
Yea this sounds like a huge placebo effect.
Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
Yeah, that's what I mean.
victorhooi said:
heya,
Don't you mean decreased startup time?
Cheers,
Victor
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Goonish said:
Well I just did this, been off charger for over an hour.. still 100% after over an hour and two reboots.
At 1378mAh right now, didn't get a reading straight after first reboot unfortunately.
I'm also trialing autorun killer. Disabled a free services I don't use.. seemingly increased startup time.
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How do you figure out your mAh level? Spare parts only shows me mV.
Thanks
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This is placebo. In the OP you even say after it finally drops to 99% it drops fast after that. It's because the phone wasn't at 100% all that time. It was giving you a false reading from messing with the charging pattern.
The best way I've found to charge the phone is to delete the battery stats, turn the phone off, and charge it until it's green. I get a great day of battery life with the phone that way.
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Great advice.
Personally, I can't really be bothered with going out of my way to be overly concerned about battery life. I don't play games on my phone -- that will change when Angry Birds is released for Android -- nor do I watch movies, and I don't really do too much web browsing. Sometimes I listen to music, but not often. I can go 12-14 hours of normal use (mostly Twitter and text messaging) and that will put me around 45-50%. I'm never somewhere that I can't charge the phone if I need to; USB at work, regular charge at home, and a charger in the car. All of these tips and tricks for extending battery life are neat, but why bother?
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Totally agree...I just charge when & where necessary and never worry about it! Don't have the time and it seems to last long enough for me to work & play
I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
ram130 said:
I had already discovered this and was looking for a fool proof way but I guess you beat me to it. Happens when you traveling alot. For me, I have gotten over 1500mAh more than once..some times 100% would last me half a day too. So it's worth it, my question is whether or not this is bad for your battery? or long term battery life.
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I'm fairly sure that the Milliampere-hour (mAh) is the capacity of the battery (the amount of energy it will store). How can you get "over 1500mAh" on a 1400 mAh battery? None of you are making any sense what so ever. You can't get more energy out of a battery by charging it a specific way. If I gave you a bucket that held 10lbs of sand and you filled it with 8lbs of sand and waited a few minutes then started filling the rest slowly, it wont hold more sand. This is nothing more than a placebo effect. The only way to get more time from a battery is to reduce the amount of consumption. The only way to do that is to use your phone less or make your hardware use the battery less such as undervolting your CPU. I tried for the longest time to explain to people that underclocking your CPU does absolutely nothing. If you're still running at the same voltage you're still consuming the same amount of power.
Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
xPatriicK said:
Stop messing around with the battery and the battery stats.
Could someone please use the phone until it goes off in the evening? What percentage is shown on the batteryicon when it goes off? 20% or what?
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
Source: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/
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Actually it's not a good idea to fully discharge the phone often.
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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I know but once isnt often.
Btw we have some great battery threads here.. somewhere.. general or accessories forums..
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Yeah, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=669497
I have been using ultimate juice defender and battery life has doubled with usual usage. Maybe this can be considered as an alternative to longer battery life
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I have had the ultimate in crappy battery life since day one with my Vibrant. I have tried reconditioning, task killers, freezing apps, etc., etc. Very minimal gains and, in some cases, worse battery life. These things were draining just sitting on our pockets.
Here's where it gets weird. My wife also has a Samsung Vibrant and was getting the same horrible battery life. We were both charging dead Vibrants half way through the day. Granted, we are both moderate to heavy users but I expected more. A week ago, my wife was still sitting at 80% by lunch time while I was looking at 27%. Huh? I asked her what she did and she had no idea except that she had downloaded a battery monitoring app the day before. I thought it made no sense that this could have anything to do with it so I brushed it off. Over the next few days she was still getting killer battery life throughout the day.
So....I decided to give it a shot just to be sure it wasn't that app. Well, just before bedtime, my battery was it 7%. I downloaded the battery app, plugged in my Vibrant and hit the hay. By noon the next day I was still over 80% I have no idea why but I know it's working for both of us and it has to have something to do with this app.
I'm no programmer and I certainly have no vested interested in any android apps. We just stumbled on this and it works. Would anyone out there have a clue why?
I'm not sure if posting the name of the app breaks any xda rules so I'll wait.
Ever since i've been on JK2 Froyo my battery life has been excellent. But i'm interested in hearing which app you're talking about
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I have had the ultimate in crappy battery life since day one with my Vibrant. I have tried reconditioning, task killers, freezing apps, etc., etc. Very minimal gains and, in some cases, worse battery life. These things were draining just sitting on our pockets.
Here's where it gets weird. My wife also has a Samsung Vibrant and was getting the same horrible battery life. We were both charging dead Vibrants half way through the day. Granted, we are both moderate to heavy users but I expected more. A week ago, my wife was still sitting at 80% by lunch time while I was looking at 27%. Huh? I asked her what she did and she had no idea except that she had downloaded a battery monitoring app the day before. I thought it made no sense that this could have anything to do with it so I brushed it off. Over the next few days she was still getting killer battery life throughout the day.
So....I decided to give it a shot just to be sure it wasn't that app. Well, just before bedtime, my battery was it 7%. I downloaded the battery app, plugged in my Vibrant and hit the hay. By noon the next day I was still over 80% I have no idea why but I know it's working for both of us and it has to have something to do with this app.
I'm no programmer and I certainly have no vested interested in any android apps. We just stumbled on this and it works. Would anyone out there have a clue why?
I'm not sure if posting the name of the app breaks any xda rules so I'll wait.
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I don't believe nothing is wrong with posting the name of an app. If it helps, then why not?
Yeah dude hook it up
Still flashing , thanks to odin & tw
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I don't believe nothing is wrong with posting the name of an app. If it helps, then why not?
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I agree. I just didn't want to be seen as peddling a product here.
It's called BatteryTime. It's free although, I believe there is a pay version. I didn't adjust any settings. Just installed it, charged over night and I can't believe the difference nor understand why it made such a huge difference. I unplugged 4 hours ago and have 98%. Still a mystery to me but I'm not complaining.
There's like 4 of the same app on the market x)
What is the full name?
OH and thanks, I installed it, I'll report back with results.
draikz said:
There's like 4 of the same app on the market x)
What is the full name?
OH and thanks, I installed it, I'll report back with results.
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Just Looked again and you're right. There are 4 versions there. I'm currently using the "BatteryTime Lite" version.
The only thing that I can think of to rationalize this huge difference is that the battery percentage was being reported incorrectly before. I may have had a charge that would last all day or longer but it was displaying an accelerated discharge rate which would kill my Vibrant prematurely. For one reason or another, this app appears to have corrected that and the indicator is (I hope) reporting the correct battery life now.
Does that make any sense?
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The only thing that I can think of to rationalize this huge difference is that the battery percentage was being reported incorrectly before. I may have had a charge that would last all day or longer but it was displaying an accelerated discharge rate which would kill my Vibrant prematurely. For one reason or another, this app appears to have corrected that and the indicator is (I hope) reporting the correct battery life now.
Does that make any sense?
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Thanks for sharing. I will give it a try.
Update:
I found this somewhat disappointing. I rebooted my phone for the first time in about a week and on boot up the indicator is displaying significant drain again. I was at 96% before boot and 56% after? I'm going to recharge to full again and see if I still enjoy the same battery life.
Now I'm really confused. Sent an email to developer.
judging by the app description and most of the comments - the app doesn't actually *do* anything. It merely reports the battery differently.
No amount of software will change how much charge a battery can hold. The only thing that's different is how it's being reported.
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judging by the app description and most of the comments - the app doesn't actually *do* anything. It merely reports the battery differently.
No amount of software will change how much charge a battery can hold. The only thing that's different is how it's being reported.
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Indeed, and that was my point to begin with. Originally, the battery indicator reported as critically low in no more than 6 hours. Soon after, the phone would shutdown until put on the charger. With this app I am able to get through the day reporting roughly 30% at bedtime around 10pm. Of course, that is subject to change on a reboot....until fully charged again. This is the mystery.
Yeah, there is funky stuff going on with battery meters. One that is included with the Obsidian Roms is Battery Left, currently, this is showing a 50% charge and 10:19 left. Next to it is Juice Plotter which is showing 21h 11m left. According to the system, i am at 71% Power and it has been unplugged for 6 hours. From experience, I know that the 21h remaining is actually accurate and Battery Left is completely dorked.
The point being, you can't always trust the battery meter.
So I installed a monitor also to try and figure out what was killing my battery 30+% over night and I had the same reaction....I woke up to a 10% loss. I realized what is probably happening is since this app is monitoring the phone all night...whatever app is draining the battery is probably a daemon that only runs when the CPU goes really idle for a certain period of time. More than likely that app inadvertently gave you better battery life because it runs in the foreground and marks your phone as being active so whatever app was killing battery never ran.
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The only thing that I can think of to rationalize this huge difference is that the battery percentage was being reported incorrectly before. I may have had a charge that would last all day or longer but it was displaying an accelerated discharge rate which would kill my Vibrant prematurely. For one reason or another, this app appears to have corrected that and the indicator is (I hope) reporting the correct battery life now.
Does that make any sense?
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I think you've hit the nail on the head. Since day one, I have had buggy battery reporting. For instance, if I reboot the phone while it is plugged in, the reported battery level changes dramatically.
Edit: your later post supports this idea even further.
I installed this on my phone. This program does not attempt to save battery life or control anything on your phone. It does offers "Tips" to save battery life. Its main purpose is to indicate, based on your current level of charge, how long your battery should last given different circumstances - ex. idle, talk time, video time, audio time, etc... Thus the name BatteryTime.
That's all that it does. Any perception of a longer lasting battery may have been an anomaly as does happen sometimes with our phones. One day you'll seem to be getting awesome battery life (and there is likely an underlying reason which we'll never figure out, but which jives with the battery) and the next day it is back to draining quickly as normal.
There are three certainties in life: death, taxes, and posts about battery life in smart phone forums.
Anyone have the issue where they charge the phone overnight, the phone reads 100% in the morning, you unplug it and you are immediately down to 7% battery? It seems to happen to me at least twice per week. It is a terrible bug.
i dont get it you said that before the battery wasnt being read correctly so it shut off fast but now with the app it reads correctly and last you the whole day with 30% left to spare?? wouldnt that technically mean it increased battery because you got it to last all day plus some? just by making the phone read the battery correctly.
When my phone is fully charged or has 70 or 60% remaining battery it seems to drain as normal, around 2-5% over a 10 hour or so period...
However, I've noticed once the battery decreases below 50% it drains FAST, why?
Anyone else noticed this? Test it for yourselves, monitor the TIME it takes to decrease from 100 to 50% and then from 50% to 0.
Yesterday I forgot my phone in the car whilst going to work. It was turned on however it was sitting all day in the car.
Once I returned from work I was shocked to find the phone would not turn on.
At first I thought there was a problem or some kind of fault. Once I plugged in the charger it started to charge, the battery cut and the phone automatically turned off!
I remember the phone had around 48% battery remaining, no wifi or 3g or data turned on. It was simply idling...
So the question is HOW can the battery drain from 48% to 0% over a 10 hour period without being used???
Should my battery of been ANYTHING over 50% it would only lose a few percent...
Same thing for me. (Samsung Galaxy Note N7000 - stock Android 2.3.6)
Battery slowly decreases from 100% to ~50% and then ~2x faster.
I charged the note on my computer and then switched to the charger (at ~60% of charge).
I'm no expert of battery charging etc. but just remembered my iPhone 3GS discharging faster when charged on the computer than with the charger.
If it's the same for the note, some cells could discharge faster because charged on the computer.
Can someone confirm this (or not) ?
How did you charge your phone ?
boubou2k said:
Same thing for me. (Samsung Galaxy Note N7000 - stock Android 2.3.6)
Battery slowly decreases from 100% to ~50% and then ~2x faster.
I charged the note on my computer and then switched to the charger (at ~60% of charge).
I'm no expert of battery charging etc. but just remembered my iPhone 3GS discharging faster when charged on the computer than with the charger.
If it's the same for the note, some cells could discharge faster because charged on the computer.
Can someone confirm this (or not) ?
How did you charge your phone ?
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Same thing happnd with me, and charging my phone thru electric charger..
So it seems this behaviour happens to several other Note users, why?
It's a problem knowing that having around 50% left in your battery will struggle to make it through the day with little to no use...
Have you people set the wifi to turn of while the screen is off? This is unnoticeable in the daily use, but increase the batterytime massively. The setting for this is hidden, you have to push menubutton while in the wifi-settings.
Here I thought I was only imagining things about the battery life dropping faster once it has reached 49% or less.
EarlZ said:
Here I thought I was only imagining things about the battery life dropping faster once it has reached 49% or less.
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Haha, nice to know I'm not the ONLY one facing this bug...
I can only hope Ice Cream Sandwich solves this battery drain issue.
Hmm, i think i have the same problem, but i'm not sure. Will get back to this thread when i've investigated a little bit.
This may be a typical samsung issue.
I remember when i had the spica , the battery percentage lining in kernel was totally wrong. I think its done on purpose so you would feel like you have more battery life. 75 % of the battery drains slow. And the rest 25 super fast. Can be fixed within kernel.
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I believe its just a placebo effect. Battery usage always depends on so many factors its a pain to even consider starting looking for the issue.
Being on stock KK5 not rooted, i cannot report the same. I only see "fast battery drain" at the last 4-5%. If you feel its an issue, could you post the firmware version you are on and the battery stats graph just for reference?
Placebo or not its something I can definitely feel on my Galaxy Note.
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Placebo or not its something I can definitely feel on my Galaxy Note.
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When you get the chance, could you post the battery stats graph please? what we should see is a (lets say) 30 degrees angle and at about halfway it gets steeper.
I know its quite hard to demonstrate the issue, but if you lets say use wifi to browse the first 50% in text only sites and then visit youtube for the last 50%, it won't help the test.
A nice way to test it would be to charge it to 100%, then load up a long movie and repeat playing it till the battery is 2-3%. Then post the results.
roxxy said:
Have you people set the wifi to turn of while the screen is off? This is unnoticeable in the daily use, but increase the batterytime massively. The setting for this is hidden, you have to push menubutton while in the wifi-settings.
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When the Wifi is disconnected, the 3G scanning will get on. Isn't that defeating the purpose?
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Hey there!
I would suggest to load the battery 100%, plug it out, go into recovery and wipe battery stats.
I have to admit that I don´t know exactly what this workaround does, but I read about it in another forum...and it worked for me, my battery status is much more accurate now!
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When the Wifi is disconnected, the 3G scanning will get on. Isn't that defeating the purpose?
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Wifi will continue to scan for wlans near it every second or so
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I'm back. I've had the Diagnosis app running for the past hour, and i got some interesting results.
---Wiping battery stats does not help---, a full charge automatically causes battery stats reset.
I full charged mine with the electric charger after fully discharging it without turning it on.
This time i didn't notice any change in discharge speed between 100%-50% and 50%-0%.
Last time I charged the phone it was not fully discharged. Charged it from 30% to 50% then 50% to 75% on the computer, and 75% to 100% using electric charger.
It's just a supposition, but maybe doing several partial charges while using the phone makes the battery % information inaccurate (wrong battery stats?).
[Edit]In this case, wiping battery stats should show accurate battery %. [/Edit]
I had a similar problem, and I think it is to do with some incorrect scaling or measurement.
I was down to 28%, and it seemed to be draining fast even though I was not using it. I rebooted (I love how quick that is after my Arc was so slow). On restart it was at 17% ! The usage graph just did an instant drop.
I also had another occasion where it remained at 100% for 2 1/5 hours of use.
I assume some calibration issues caused the meter to read the battery wrong. I am turning off on the w/e overnight (when I do not need the alarm) to see if a slow (180 mA) charge while off will help. I may even get a decent alarm clock so I can turn the phone off at nights and charge. I spend too much time in the morning checking my email and reading news!
What is more consistent on mine is that when the battery drops to 9% or less the loss is like 1% per ~10-15% and this is with wifi/3g off, phone locked.
I'm back again. I've had some serious battery drain the last couple of days, but i noticed that Auto Sync was enabled. Once i deactivated it it got much better. Pulled the phone from the charger 9 hours ago and i'm at 90% battery left. I've sent some SMS, a few calls and that's about it, but it doesn't drain while it's in standby now, so i'm happy with it.
Ok so I can't figure this out. My battery is kind of "retarded" for lack of a better word.
I can charge it up to 100%, reset battery stats (even if I don't the same will happen)... then let it drain. It will drain insanely fast... I mean from 100 to dead in maybe an hour sometimes...
Then I go ahead and plug it into the charger... for just 15 seconds... when I take it off the charger and turn it back on it'll have another 50% battery life, sometimes more sometimes less....
It's almost as if the battery isn't reading correctly and then the phone can't detect how much battery is left so won't let me turn it on unless I plug it in really quick...
Tried another battery and that one does the same thing.... What in gods name could be going on...
and yes.. I searched... before I hear the hit the search 2000x times.
Here is the instructions from the ExROM thread, they worked perfect for me:
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--> For battery life: I think that you have to calibrate your battery.
- Run the device down until it turns itself off.
- Turn it back on and wait for it to turn itself off again.
- Remove the battery for 10 seconds.
- Replace the battery, but leave the device off.
- Charge the device until full and then for another hour.
- Enter recovery and go to advanced -> wipe battery status. Apply it.
- Run the device’s battery down until it turns itself off.
- Turn the device on and charge for at least 8 hours.
- Unplug the device, turn off, then charge for another hour.
- Unplug the device, turn on, wait 2 minutes.
- Turn off again and charge for another hour.
- Restart and use as normal.
I shall try those but who knows...
I've literally been turning the phone on, it dies the minute it hits the lock screen. Plug it in now for just 3 seconds until it says VIBRANT, it will load up shut down.. have down this about 30 times...
I'm lost on how the phone has enough juice to boot and shi*.... it's driving me nuts doing this over and over and over.. oh wait just turned on again and it's at 5%. This is stupid....
lol i will post back after I try these instructions I guess....
You MUST calibrate your battery every time you see a weird behaviour or install a new kernel. You wrote that you tried another battery, so we can exclude a premature death of the battery.
are you able to get into RECOVERY mode and stay there without it rebooting? Or even Download mode?
yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
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I made a nice detailed post about this a while back, it took a google employee for people here to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
(Keep in mind, this applies to NiCad... but the effects are the same)
Bad news bro, your battery is bad. If you full discharge/recharge all the time, it will just hasten its death. Deep cycle charging when the battery is that far gone doesn't really have the same effect.
Try coaxing it back to life by recharging it to 100% then hitting the charger again at 75% a few times. This will increase the capacitance of the battery if there is hope of life. If it doesn't improve, its life is almost over.
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yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
Sent from a cell tower to the XDA server to you.
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Correct. According to her Calibrating does pretty much nothing except make you THINK your battery is better/worse/same.
Haxel said:
I made a nice detailed post about this a while back, it took a google employee for people here to believe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect
(Keep in mind, this applies to NiCad... but the effects are the same)
Bad news bro, your battery is bad. If you full discharge/recharge all the time, it will just hasten its death. Deep cycle charging when the battery is that far gone doesn't really have the same effect.
Try coaxing it back to life by recharging it to 100% then hitting the charger again at 75% a few times. This will increase the capacitance of the battery if there is hope of life. If it doesn't improve, its life is almost over.
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thanks for the interesting read, i love reading things that the mind thinks as something for a weird reason.. Placebo effect etc.
Putting your battery down to an absolute 0% will do nothing but hurt your battery. This would have worked if we were still in the 80s and 90s, but these are Li-on batteries, they work differently and it actually hurts them.
Ok so I have RESTORED the battery...
Here is what was going on after further looking. I downloaded a battery stat/drain program to see what exactly was going on...
Under a load the battery mV will change drastically, then once it settles down the mV will actually rise making the % rise...
So I completely killed the battery, I mean dead.. Restarted the phone, plug it in for just a second.. I took it to the point that I killed the SOB battery.
I then charged it up, and while charging I would use the battery drain program. the mV would change drastically and I did this every 10%.
So far so good, the phone has been on for 4 hours now and i've only drained 8%... I will see how it continues.
I've also been resetting my battery stats not because I believe it relates the phone to the actual battery % but the % would fluctuate on the phone, and I thought the phone was saying "batterys dead don't turn on" kind of thing...
Ok. Again.
Here is a more in-detail article with a quick google.
http://www.atomicmods.com/Categories/QandA-Batteries.aspx
How long will these batteries last?
Lithium-based batteries have a lifetime of 2-3 years. The clock starts ticking as soon as the battery comes off the manufacturing line. The capacity loss manifests itself in increased internal resistance caused by oxidation. Eventually, the cell resistance will reach a point where the pack can no longer deliver the stored energy; although the battery may still contain ample charge. Increasing internal resistance is common to cobalt-based lithium-ion. The speed by which lithium-ion ages is governed by storage temperature and state-of-charge. Figure 1 illustrates the capacity loss as a function of these two parameters.
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Although, there has been arguments for years about Li-ion "memory". Li-ions are not afflicted with the "memory" issues of other chemical types. What they are afflicted with is the inability to hold a consistent current under stress/load with age/oxidation (aging effect of the Li-ion batteries). This is where your battery sits. On the precipice of death. You may get another year or two out of it (if you're lucky.. really more like a few months) with a few correct charging cycles, but that is it.
Bringing a Li-ion to near 0 and back does not help the battery, it is 100% a placebo effect with short term gains at best. A common cause of your particular problem...
Lithium-ion batteries are often exposed to unfavorable temperatures, and these include leaving a cell phone in the hot sun or operating a laptop on the power grid. Elevated temperature and allowing the battery to sit at the maximum charge voltage for expended periods of time explains the shorter than expected battery life. Elevated temperature and excessive overcharge also stresses lead and nickel-based batteries. All batteries must have the ability to relax after charged, even when kept on float or trickle charge.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_store_batteries
I'm giving random googling as I know it's difficult to believe a random person on the internet. No two type of manufactured batteries are created/engineered the same, but I'm basing my statements of chemical composition and the basic fundamentals of the Li-ion battery tech.
younix258 said:
yo i dont understand.. didnt a google employee go out and make a public statement that batterystats.bin has NOTHING to do with battery calibration, its only used to keep the data from the settings>battery use graph throughout reboots? In the same statement, i think i remember she told aandroid users NOT to let their batteries die and charge em full cause that will damage the batt.
Sent from a cell tower to the XDA server to you.
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Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA
Most of these battery calibration techniques sound like a practical joke.
the only way you'll truly get a perfect idea of what your battery life is going to be is to drop the phone in the toilet.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using XDA
1) Charge ur phone while off untill u reach 100%
2)Remove the battery but dont unplug the phone from wallcharger
3)Reinsert the battery, you will see 0%
4) Let the battery charge, when reach 100% power on the phone without unplugging wallcharger.
Now should be all good
you are kidding right ?
This is the one of the worst advices I've heard..... Overcharging the battery is dangerous.
It will actually degrade the batteries performance
I don't know what to say. Does this work?
Also by battery jumping do you mean those crazy drops between reboots or just drops due to lack of deep sleep?
andu86 said:
you are kidding right ?
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fburgos said:
This is the one of the worst advices I've heard..... Overcharging the battery is dangerous.
It will actually degrade the batteries performance
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U know how the LIB works? How Android manage the battery?
Try yourself and see! This is not overcharging
sasank360 said:
I don't know what to say. Does this work?
Also by battery jumping do you mean those crazy drops between reboots or just drops due to lack of deep sleep?
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Btw the drop between reboots
Battery bin tracks the battery usage giving an estimate of the charge been used, battery .bin gets wiped every time it get to 100%, and the tracking of battery's current starts
As I remember lithium batteries charge in two cycles
1- constant current
2- constant voltage near the full capacity.
But then if you trick the phone to read battery as 0% then you are sending more current to an already full battery overcharging.
The jumping of battery percentage is because a bug in the battery "gauge"
But as always if in wrong, my apologies and I'll be more than happy to read your source.
Biggest issue is that the battery has a very poor C-rating, and has huge voltage drops under heavy load. The reboot battery problem comes from this; when you reboot your phone, or other times as well, the heavy usage spike drops the battery voltage down. Android system them detects this low voltage and just assumed the battery is almost empty. Normally there is some averaging going on to remove these spikes, and even then the battery % only goes down, so when the voltage recovers it just shows the same % for longer. Problem when rebooting is that it only sees this low, under load voltage and acts accordingly.
If the voltage isn't low enough so the phone shuts down, you might get 30minutes of screen time while the battery is showing 1%.
My problem is that the last 14% of my battery lasts under a minute before the phone shuts down. So I just treat 15% as actually meaning 1%.
Also, you can't dangerously over charge the battery, it has protection circuitry built in, and the li-ion charger part will detect the real voltage. This "supercharging" does however cost some long term lifetime from it, so it shouldn't be done too often.
Please excuse me, this is long.
Hello guys. I need some advice. I use I9195.
From the past 2 weeks i am facing serious battery drops
while phone is in standby.
I must mention that in the last 2 months my phone accidentally dropped onto marble floor 4-5 times.
Each time i checked to see if everything was working and everything did. But from the last time i dropped i began to notice this battery drain.
I made sure all hardware is working.
No problem with display even after all those drops.
(only minor scratches)
Earpiece, 2 cameras, speaker, mic, wifi, bluetooth all work fine. Network quality is great. This is the behavior with any rom, any modem and any usage.
When in standby, battery drains upto 2-3% every hour.
No background apps/services , wakelocks or anything that keeps device awake. And yet the drop is steep and is solely due to "cell standy".
I have no screenshots but here is a scenario :::
From 98% to 33% in ,
16hrs usage, 1hr33min awake and 1hr16min screen on.
Wifi enable half the time and 3g data was disabled.
EDIT :: New battery did not solve this drain.
Hey guys. Please suggest what should i be doing.
Read post above. Can new battery help ?
Thanks. [emoji29]
Same problem here i also need help.
From GT-I9192.
My phone dropped 5-6 times and .org works fine now.
NihAl HarvarD said:
Same problem here i also need help.
From GT-I9192.
My phone dropped 5-6 times and .org works fine now.
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what do you mean by "" .org works fine now ""
Typo