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Okay, so I was on official ICS, several actually. I kept hoping one would prove not to have the Super Brick bug. It seems nobody knows, still.
After working myself into a panic worried I would do something normal and suddenly have a brick on my hands, I flashed back to Gingerbread 2.3.6, Europe Open version (XXLA4). I decided to stick with Touchwiz launcher
After messing around with ICS and several different launchers I guess I had forgotten how smooth the stock is.
Apps are now opening and closing fast, the scrolling in the launcher is super smooth and overall, the phone is working very well. It's like a new machine!
It could help that now that I'm on a safe kernel, I've wiped data and basically started new, but I'm very impressed.
I still wish ICS would come out from Samsung with an announced fixed version. I miss the resizing of widgets and the ICS Voice to text engine. It really is much better.
I would rather feel safe in operating the phone, however, and give up those small ICS features I'm missing.
Has anybody else done the same? What do you think?
Just use Franco kernel or Speedmod kernel for your stock ICS rom and you'll have a "safe" kernel.
Or flash CM9 rom.
Since you are on GB, you can flash a CM9 rom and be perfectly fine easily.
I have to agree alittle with you , always when i reflash to a stock rooted gb, i always feel WOW its so smooth, but thats until i start installing all my apps i use.
I must say that batterylife is better for me on ICS, dunno why.
BTW, is there any significant speed difference between stock ICS (LPY for instance) and CM9? I'm on LPY and Franco r5 and even when overclocking to 1.6 GHz I haven't noticed any speed change.
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BTW, is there any significant speed difference between stock ICS (LPY for instance) and CM9? I'm on LPY and Franco r5 and even when overclocking to 1.6 GHz I haven't noticed any speed change.
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I've not tried CM9.
Currently its in nightlies but even still from past experiences with stock rom vs cm7 etc i got noticable stability and speed increases. different phones and roms though but generally the idea still applies.
Can't understand all the drama about the ICS update. I just installed mine OTA as instructed, installed Apex Launcher and I couldn't be happier. Everything seems a little smoother too.
Stock email widget works a treat (7x7 grid and above) and with the Smooth Calender widget I am in home screen heaven. Leaves TW on both Gingerbread and ICS.
Just gone from a great phone to a fantastic phone for my needs
I on the other hand still stick with GB right know.
I'm planning to flash CM9 this weekend.
Because I'm getting bored with GB, everyone seems already tried ICS.
I was waiting official save kernel from Samsung, but I just cannot wait anymore to try the ICS.
I will try CM9 mod first I guess, although Franco and CF kernel already release their 'safe' kernel but I still a bit worried since we're not yet sure if there's other reason of the hardbrick
Also back on GB stock with root
I have to agree with this that stock GB is alot more stable than ICS and smoother aswell.
I have tried nearly all the stock ICS releases and all the custom roms based on stock ICS that are in the development forum. Also tried with different kernel combinations and both full wipe / no wipe. Initially most of it seems great then you start using a few apps and it all goes downhill from there.
So GB ftw (well atleast till I get that flashing craving again)
Hi,
Using stock ICS update, had a bricked device after my inability to read, read, read, read & read more, lucky enough to find a solution (not able to disclose, not a technical solution - retail) I use Apex pro launcher & all runs like a dream.
Run chainfires got brickbug? & not happy x19. Rooting may have to wait, confidence bit dented (rooted & flashed my last HTC units & my SG2)
Will read, read & read for a while longer yet.
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I also don't understand the complaints for official ICS, I have updated mine and everything is running smooth...there seems to be a problem for people who did not factory reset before upgrading?
i had a lot of restarts - over and over again
i unplugged my battery and it kept happening
since upgrading to ICS - its quite a lot better but still sometimes i get the restarting issue - battery life on ICS is ok - maybe a bit worse than GB
ilegales said:
i had a lot of restarts - over and over again
i unplugged my battery and it kept happening
since upgrading to ICS - its quite a lot better but still sometimes i get the restarting issue - battery life on ICS is ok - maybe a bit worse than GB
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For the restart thing, there maybe an apk which is incompatible? I had this problem after installing several apks from the market when I was on GB once and did a factory reset to solve it.
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I also don't understand the complaints for official ICS, I have updated mine and everything is running smooth...there seems to be a problem for people who did not factory reset before upgrading?
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I wasn't complaining about ICS. In fact, I really liked it. Especially the additional widgets, and the voice search improvements.
I was just paranoid that something I did in everybody function would cause the super brick bug. While people seem to thinkI they know what triggers it and what doesn't, we just don't know for sure.
So for me, I'm staying on GB until Samsung admits and fixes the emmc bug.
Back to GB for me too.
I agree with the OP, I have gone back to GB.
For me the advantages of ICS do not outweigh the stabilty of GB.
ICS:
I lost 40-50% battery life but I gained Chrome ( a little bit buggy but good nonetheless). I also ran the risk with the EMMC bug.
GB : I get my battery life back again, have to use the standard browser but at least I can't brick my phone.
I use the note quite heavily for the web, notes, email and following tweets. It has become an excellent companion and I really don't want to lose it just for the sake of running the latest OS.
I have enough patience to wait until an "official" patch comes out that can repair the bug. After such times I will go back to trying the various ROMs on the site.
Me too recently on ICS Dxlp9 now back to more safer ROM stock GB 2.3.6 unrooted! loving it! gonna miss the resizble widgets and those new features but its worth to wait LOVE MY NOTE
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I'm back to stock UK XEU LA4 rom and all the better for it. The stability of GB definately outweighs the few advantages (that I've experienced anyway) with ICS.
My main issues with stock UK XEU ICS where
1/ Bluetooth connectivity problems with my car Nissan Connect system
2/ Adobe Flash player was unstable & some websites I frequent didn't work properly at all
3/ Screen responsiveness reduced
4/ Battery life was worse
heading back to gb too. Cant find any reason for using ics. and tw is so ugly. Waiting for the official Miui
I tried LPY and didnt like it - battery life awful and unpredictable then reverted back to GB - I think I will keep it this way until a much better ICS is available maybe CM9?
Likewise I've gone back from XXLQ2 to XXLA6. There wasn't enough good new stuff in the Touchwiz version of ICS to outweigh the battery drain and keyboard problems. And I did do a full wipe before flashing.
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Can't understand all the drama about the ICS update. I just installed mine OTA as instructed, installed Apex Launcher and I couldn't be happier. Everything seems a little smoother too.
Stock email widget works a treat (7x7 grid and above) and with the Smooth Calender widget I am in home screen heaven. Leaves TW on both Gingerbread and ICS.
Just gone from a great phone to a fantastic phone for my needs
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Main issues people have are:
1) TWizzed ICS is a horrible disappointment compared to an actual ICS experience. Samsung basically reverted half of ICS to a legacy Gingerbread UI.
2) Samsung did a ****-poor job of software quality control with their ICS releases. It's utterly stupid that the launcher force closes if you debloat unrelated apps - but that has been the case since the first I9100 ICS release. (There's a reason most custom firmwares use Apex instead of TWLauncher.)
3) Last but not least - Samsung has had a latent defect in the eMMC chips shipped in nearly all of their Exynos-based handsets up till now, and the kernel developers for the SPH-D710, SGH-I777, SHW-M250S/K/L, and GT-N7000 were stupid enough to enable the trigger condition for a known and documented MMC chip bug. The I9100 kernel development team was smart enough to remove MMC_CAP_ERASE from the MSHCI driver or not enable it in the first place.
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I also don't understand the complaints for official ICS, I have updated mine and everything is running smooth...there seems to be a problem for people who did not factory reset before upgrading?
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In general - if you perform a wipe data/factory reset on any stock ICS kernel, you run a significant chance of permanently trashing your phone's internal storage.
It's a MAJOR bug that Samsung should NEVER have allowed to go out the door.
Hi, just got my note 3 a few days back and I was prompted to update the firmware to 4.4.
Would jsut like to know what I might gain or lose in functionality with regards to flashing/rooting etc. etc.
Also a service name Index Service has been eating mybattery ever since I started syncing dropbox, anyone in the same boat?
Much Appreciated.
Pros:
Some people claim better response, little faster speed, better battery life and gain about 300MB of RAM on clean boot.
Cons:
Change in SD card writing permission, third party programs can't write to SD card unless updated, won't work until then or you fix it manually but need root.
Can't root without tripping Knox
Can't go back to lower firmware
Third party s-view covers no longer work as designed
some other random incompatibilities with some programs, those are to be expected with any firmware update.
That's all I can remember for now.
If you use SD card with non factory installed programs, the new permissions could be a big deal especially if you want to keep your Knox flag =0
Forgot to mention under pro's, better battery life...
Most of the pro's are under the hood upgrades. You will find it is a bit faster and some little problems you experience are fixed.
As I rooted my phone 10 minutes aftr I got home I have no problems with sd card and s-view case as there is a mod for that...
Knox warranty is voided when rooted but then again the phone is fine...
I'm very content with stock version.
Particularly content with the battery life.
Personally ATM I have no problems with my Note 3 running 4.3 at all, I'm rooted with Knox=0 so I can tweak speed, battery life etc. much better than KK can and I learned (at least I should have) long time ago, don't fix it, if it ain't broke, especially that I rely on SD card a lot (would be out of memory already if didn't have card), so yeah I would have to be stupid to upgrade and then trip the Knox to root just to have the phone running as well as it's now. Of course everybody is different and for example if I had my Knox tripped already, I may have been more tempted to upgrade.
Have had zero issues since flashing Kitkat on my Note, Only thing I regret (con to me) is jumping the gun and upgrading to the new boot loader (i was running AOSP for a while) - but now I can live with a non AOSP ROM as the new boot loader is being sorted.
PROS - battery is a lot better, smoother feel of the device in general also.
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Hi, just got my note 3 a few days back and I was prompted to update the firmware to 4.4.
Would jsut like to know what I might gain or lose in functionality with regards to flashing/rooting etc. etc.
Also a service name Index Service has been eating mybattery ever since I started syncing dropbox, anyone in the same boat?
Much Appreciated.
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No real Cons really, I feel that KitKat is alot better than JellyBean and personally, I really prefer the White Status bar icons.
About Index Service, seems it has to do with PDF files on your phone, here are some threads below to help you with fixing it. Good luck!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2480763
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472574
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2533303
radicalisto said:
Have had zero issues since flashing Kitkat on my Note, Only thing I regret (con to me) is jumping the gun and upgrading to the new boot loader (i was running AOSP for a while) - but now I can live with a non AOSP ROM as the new boot loader is being sorted.
PROS - battery is a lot better, smoother feel of the device in general also.
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I know exactly what you mean, I felt the same way when i flash MJ6 firmware that brought the new bootloader wayy back then on JB, but eventually, It would be hard to avoid upgrading the bootloader, plus i saw some people complaining of some weird issues like charging and stuff that upgrading bootloader fixed for some reason. Lol. Anyways.. BottomLine: ENJOY your phone.
Depends on what you need.
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Hi, just got my note 3 a few days back and I was prompted to update the firmware to 4.4.
Would jsut like to know what I might gain or lose in functionality with regards to flashing/rooting etc. etc.
Also a service name Index Service has been eating mybattery ever since I started syncing dropbox, anyone in the same boat?
Much Appreciated.
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I am very unhappy with my update, but I kinda had to as I was unfortunate enough to get one of the Note 3s that randomly reset itself. I haven't had that issue since updating, though I haven't been using it for more than the day so it could still decide to spontaneously reset itself, but all of my third party apps that access the SD card have stopped working.
Not a problem if you're rooted, but I'd like to keep my KNOX =0
As an added annoyance the Tap and Pay still doesn't work, I had hoped that the changes in 4.4 would let me use my Note 3 like I did my S3.
You should take a look at Google's KitKat page: http://www.android.com/versions/kit-kat-4-4/
It's very informative.
Remember that it isn't only fast, but it handles memory operations much more efficiently than on 4.3.
Battery life is also much better for me.
I've been running X-Note 10, and it has the ExtSDCard writing capability enabled again.
Running custom kernel, custom recovery and ROM with KNOX at 0x0. NB4.
nicholaschum said:
You should take a look at Google's KitKat page: http://www.android.com/versions/kit-kat-4-4/
It's very informative.
Remember that it isn't only fast, but it handles memory operations much more efficiently than on 4.3.
Battery life is also much better for me.
I've been running X-Note 10, and it has the ExtSDCard writing capability enabled again.
Running custom kernel, custom recovery and ROM with KNOX at 0x0. NB4.
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Doesn't flashing custom kernel or recovery trip Knox? If not, how did you flash these?
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dsm52 said:
Doesn't flashing custom kernel or recovery trip Knox? If not, how did you flash these?
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It only works on one particular variant of note 3 which is the N900W8. Other variants of note 3 will trip knox.
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After reading through these comments I probably would update too but I want to know one thing:
Can I update to KK without updating my bootloader ? (non rooted 4.3 MJ7)
Im asking this, because I read about updating your bootloader won't let you downgrade.
At this point in time it no longer worth it to remain in 4.3. All issues so far have been fixed or can be fixed. And also understand 4.3 is not "perfect". There are bugs in 4.3 as well that are probably fixed in 4.4.
Not to mention most of the custom rom devs don't make 4.3 roms anymore.
It's not worth it to stay in 4.3
Sheeezy said:
After reading through these comments I probably would update too but I want to know one thing:
Can I update to KK without updating my bootloader ? (non rooted 4.3 MJ7)
Im asking this, because I read about updating your bootloader won't let you downgrade.
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The 4.3 bootloader does not have the capability of booting a 4.4 ROM, hence No.
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The 4.3 bootloader does not have the capability of booting a 4.4 ROM, hence No.
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So would you advise me to upgrade to KK or to stay on JB and hope there will be some root method in near future ?
Sheeezy said:
So would you advise me to upgrade to KK or to stay on JB and hope there will be some root method in near future ?
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My 2 cents.
I dont think it's worth the hassle. The only cosmetic changes are the status bar icons- now all white and the new music lockscreen- fullscreen instead of pulldown widget.
You Lose sd card support for 3rd party apps who haven't been updated for KK. Also breaking some games: San andreas, among others (FCs) and losing features from apps: Boat Browser (Text wrapping).
You gain: Speed boost (modest at best), more available memory (RAM), Potentially better battery life (IMO 4.3 MJ7 just the same as NA6 4.4.2- other words no change in my case, YMMV)
If your not afraid of tripping knox and rooting than I'd say go for it. I don't mean to stifle your enthusiasm, just keepin it real. I will say this though, when I did update and I was unrooted for all of 10 minutes, the phone absolutely flew. Once rooted and everything back up and running the speed boost is minimal, the best word to describe it would be confident. The phone had less stutter and felt more confident (this is really nitpicking though).
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@denski101 Alright, then I'll probably stay at 4.3
I think the performance increase can't be too big, cause it flies even with 4.3 no complaining here.
Basically I dont want to risk tripping knox counter, who knows what will happen in a year with my device.
But I really do want root, but not at the price of voiding my warranty.
TL;DR
I'll stay at 4.3 for the moment and wait until there's a method to root on 4.4.2 without tripping knox.
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@denski101 Alright, then I'll probably stay at 4.3
I think the performance increase can't be too big, cause it flies even with 4.3 no complaining here.
Basically I dont want to risk tripping knox counter, who knows what will happen in a year with my device.
But I really do want root, but not at the price of voiding my warranty.
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I'll stay at 4.3 for the moment and wait until there's a method to root on 4.4.2 without tripping knox.
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Actually. I have no complaints for 4.4. You can re-enable SD card writing for third party apps, NO FC's if you don't do something the system doesn't want you to do (TB/dirty flash) [clear cache]. The speed is much better, it's like comparing Windows 7 and Windows 8, but Windows 8 is more optimized to be much faster than Windows 7. Even though they're both great OS'es, the memory management has been drastically improved.
I have many complaints about 4.3, including delay wake/sleep, sporadic hangs and memory leaking.
On 4.4, they fixed the problematic touchscreen bug (if existent, to up to 10 fingers), battery life is much better (40 hours standby time - no display, wifi on, autosync on), faster responses in app launching, faster boot up time, more RAM for heavier background apps and all apps available on the Play Store for me works on 4.4 (Around 400 apps downloaded).
Con: You need root to re-enable SD card writing for now, until Samsung fixes it with a later update: however, most apps by now have been updated for 4.4, so this shouldn't be needed anymore. Custom ROMs allow apps that don't support 4.4 to read/write to SD card, like osu!.
Well, my expirience with KK on note 3 is amazing... way better than JB. It corrected a lot os bugs, FC, HEAT, BATTERY DRAIN... of course still have some touchwiz's bugs, like index bug... but KK way way better than JB.
Absolutely no regrets...
Same I am on MJ7 I'm happy with it but all I want is root. Don't know if I should update to 4.4 f u samsung
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OK a philosophical rant.
I've spent hours trying to decide which custom rom to install. Watched all the youtube videos went on all the developers web sites and read hundreds of pages of threads and yet nothing jumps out at me. I was asking myself why do I want a custom rom. So I went through a checklist of what roms offer
1. Remove bloatware - done that through titanium
2. Display customisations - I use sense and nova and various other gui apps that provide many options
3. Tweaks - I have exposed modules - sense 6, gravity box and xsense which give me all the tweaks I need
4. Speed - my phone's running very well.
5. Gestures - I use gmd gestures
Some roms offer hundreds of tweaks. In reality how often and how many would you change. Also while most roms are stable and bugs are fixable, there are many reports of problems and yes I know they do get fixed eventually but losing wifi, carrier access, reboots, bootloops etc can be disconcerting and a common question is how do I get back to stock rom.
I came to the conclusion that the only reason I wanted a custom rom was to see if I could load one and try it out. Seems like a lot of mucking about to achieve, in my case on this phone, very little.
Have i missed the point of roms?
I installed the Android Lollipop custom rom and it was nice. There were two bugs that I encountered and they were 1) no system r/w access and 2) I kept having to dismount and remount my sd card. I tried Cyanogenmod and while it was nice, I missed Blinkfeed.
It's a presonal preference, really. Everybody has their reason for what operating system they run on their phone. As for me, I like custom ROMs because I like to stay on the bleeding edge. If a new version of Android is released, you can guarantee there'll be a custom ROM for it within 1-2 weeks. Even when the OEM has stopped pushing out updates, custom ROMs give the ability to always stay on the bleeding edge. Also, some people dislike the Sense UI. Understandable, since it does slow the phone down just a bit. But really, it' just down to personal preference.
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It's a presonal preference, really. Everybody has their reason for what operating system they run on their phone. As for me, I like custom ROMs because I like to stay on the bleeding edge. If a new version of Android is released, you can guarantee there'll be a custom ROM for it within 1-2 weeks. Even when the OEM has stopped pushing out updates, custom ROMs give the ability to always stay on the bleeding edge. Also, some people dislike the Sense UI. Understandable, since it does slow the phone down just a bit. But really, it' just down to personal preference.
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Maybe its a Windows vs Mac thing. Its funny you know that I'm an experienced computer teacher and on PCs I always stay up to date and I do like to be on the bleeding edge but when it comes to phones I feel differently but on my Samsung tablet I do have a custom rom. I'm not anti custom rom. Samsungs bloatware is ridiculous, touchwiz is awful and the tablet is very laggy. A custom rom here was absolutely necessary. Now it flies but on the htc one m8, I don't mind sense 6, speed is good and customisations are adequate.
Technically speaking they are not necessary. I prefer stock android to sense.
Also lollipop appears to be a game changer for exposed. It's uncertain the future of exposed.
I know my ROM of choice is miui although it can be a crap shoot to get a stable ROM to my liking so I usually use mi launcher
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OK a philosophical rant.
I've spent hours trying to decide which custom rom to install. Watched all the youtube videos went on all the developers web sites and read hundreds of pages of threads and yet nothing jumps out at me. I was asking myself why do I want a custom rom. So I went through a checklist of what roms offer
1. Remove bloatware - done that through titanium
2. Display customisations - I use sense and nova and various other gui apps that provide many options
3. Tweaks - I have exposed modules - sense 6, gravity box and xsense which give me all the tweaks I need
4. Speed - my phone's running very well.
5. Gestures - I use gmd gestures
Some roms offer hundreds of tweaks. In reality how often and how many would you change. Also while most roms are stable and bugs are fixable, there are many reports of problems and yes I know they do get fixed eventually but losing wifi, carrier access, reboots, bootloops etc can be disconcerting and a common question is how do I get back to stock rom.
I came to the conclusion that the only reason I wanted a custom rom was to see if I could load one and try it out. Seems like a lot of mucking about to achieve, in my case on this phone, very little.
Have i missed the point of roms?
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Once u try Xposed Module Xtended Settings (for Sense 6) u won't need a rom. It's ALMOST got more features than s6tb, xsense, htc one tweaker, gravity box,- ALL COMBINED AND THEN SOME THAT NONE OF EM CONTAIN.... Newest versions up on Play Store (Xposed report has older versions).... With this 1 single mod, I have no need for custom rom. Try it u WILL NOT regret it (or turn back either)
Are custom roms necessary? In my opinion yes they are.
1: some people prefer a pure android experience (me included)
2: some people want certain tweaks, apps, and settings
3: and the MOST important one! Faster updates, and longer device life.
What do i mean by device life? Newest android on phones that the manufacturer phased out. Look at the galaxy s3 running 4.4.4, or the galaxy nexus running 4.4.4 and probably 5.0 now. These devices stopped getting updates from their manufacturers but are still good usuable phones, preventing me from getting a new device.
This is why companies have been locking down bootloaders, to get you to buy a new device for new software when the one you own is perfectly good.
So it comes down to taste, preference, and android version.
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Have i missed the point of roms?
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Xposed and all these apps which you are using came in very late if you compare them to when custom roms started popping up. Now, me for one prefer to have some of the functionality you use baked into my rom instead of me going to the play store and downloading an app to do so.
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Are custom roms necessary? In my opinion yes they are.
1: some people prefer a pure android experience (me included)
2: some people want certain tweaks, apps, and settings
3: and the MOST important one! Faster updates, and longer device life.
What do i mean by device life? Newest android on phones that the manufacturer phased out. Look at the galaxy s3 running 4.4.4, or the galaxy nexus running 4.4.4 and probably 5.0 now. These devices stopped getting updates from their manufacturers but are still good usuable phones, preventing me from getting a new device.
This is why companies have been locking down bootloaders, to get you to buy a new device for new software when the one you own is perfectly good.
So it comes down to taste, preference, and android version.
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Which rom are you using then?
BTW In Australia we are bypassing 4.4.4 and going straight to 5.0. When I don't know (Jan. was mentioned) but I'll revisit roms when they match my firmware. The point about updates is a good one. I forgot about that.
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Which rom are you using then?
BTW In Australia we are bypassing 4.4.4 and going straight to 5.0. When I don't know (Jan. was mentioned) but I'll revisit roms when they match my firmware. The point about updates is a good one. I forgot about that.
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Im running the google play edition 5.0 lollipop leak right now. Hoping the official google play 5.0 update comes this week. Kinda laggy. I tend to run cyanogenmod (cm11) so as soon as cm12 comes out ill be switching to that
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Im running the google play edition 5.0 lollipop leak right now. Hoping the official google play 5.0 update comes this week. Kinda laggy. I tend to run cyanogenmod (cm11) so as soon as cm12 comes out ill be switching to that
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Flash the antilag fix holyangel posted, it makes things usable imho. Its not 100% gone but its a whole lot better without the fix.
luigi90210 said:
Flash the antilag fix holyangel posted, it makes things usable imho. Its not 100% gone but its a whole lot better without the fix.
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Yeah i have the tweaks all set. Also switched to nova launcher (ditching google now helps). I really only experience the most lag in chrome and keyboard. I could try a differrnt keyboard i guess but it matches so well.
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Yeah i have the tweaks all set. Also switched to nova launcher (ditching google now helps). I really only experience the most lag in chrome and keyboard. I could try a differrnt keyboard i guess but it matches so well.
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Its funny you say that cause im only experiencing lag on google messanger. Everything else is smooth with the occasional hiccup once and a while.
To add my $0.02 to the topic, i feel custom roms in the sense like CM, AOKP, paranoid android, ect. are not necessary unless you have no way to get pure android on your device. Im running the leaked lollipop rom and im loving it aside from the minor lag issues im experiencing, i feel android has itself to a point where if you need to customize something, you have rooted apps that can do it, there isnt any need to have all these seperate apps baked into a rom when you will only use 1/3rd of the features, its just adding more bloat to what could be a pure aosp rom
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Its funny you say that cause im only experiencing lag on google messanger. Everything else is smooth with the occasional hiccup once and a while.
To add my $0.02 to the topic, i feel custom roms in the sense like CM, AOKP, paranoid android, ect. are not necessary unless you have no way to get pure android on your device. Im running the leaked lollipop rom and im loving it aside from the minor lag issues im experiencing, i feel android has itself to a point where if you need to customize something, you have rooted apps that can do it, there isnt any need to have all these seperate apps baked into a rom when you will only use 1/3rd of the features, its just adding more bloat to what could be a pure aosp rom
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While I do agree, that the feel of stock AOSP is unbeatable, I don't think that AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and Paranoid Android are completely useless. They have some features that you can't simply add with an Xposed module, or some root app. Take CM's theme manager, for example. I honestly don't know what I'd do without the theme manager. And Paranoid Android's Hover feature? (Which I guess with Lollipop's floating mode, is now useless), but in KitKat, it was revolutionary. And I'm sure they'll continue to add new, unbeatable features in Lollipop, too. And until they stop adding new features, I don't think it's likely that I'll stop using them.
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While I do agree, that the feel of stock AOSP is unbeatable, I don't think that AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and Paranoid Android are completely useless. They have some features that you can't simply add with an Xposed module, or some root app. Take CM's theme manager, for example. I honestly don't know what I'd do without the theme manager. And Paranoid Android's Hover feature? (Which I guess with Lollipop's floating mode, is now useless), but in KitKat, it was revolutionary. And I'm sure they'll continue to add new, unbeatable features in Lollipop, too. And until they stop adding new features, I don't think it's likely that I'll stop using them.
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Hover can be used via gravity box, wanam, and other tool boxes like it, themer however is unique to android but for a user like me who stays with stock themes that feature is moot.
With xposed not working on lollipop i can see where having a feature hardcoded into a rom would be good but thats only if xposed is broken forever.
Thats my $0.02 on the subject though, i personally find no need to run a custom rom on my HTC One M8, lollipop has all the features i use and i only need root to manage my kernel, files(root explorer), sound control, and an app like greenify that forces apps to shut down when not in use to gelp battery life.
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Once u try Xposed Module Xtended Settings (for Sense 6) u won't need a rom. It's ALMOST got more features than s6tb, xsense, htc one tweaker, gravity box,- ALL COMBINED AND THEN SOME THAT NONE OF EM CONTAIN.... Newest versions up on Play Store (Xposed report has older versions).... With this 1 single mod, I have no need for custom rom. Try it u WILL NOT regret it (or turn back either)
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Just installed this and your right, its very good but it is missing a couple of my favourite tweaks from my xsense, sense 6 toolbox and gravity box. Using all of these gives all the tweaks you could possibly want,
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While I do agree, that the feel of stock AOSP is unbeatable, I don't think that AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and Paranoid Android are completely useless. They have some features that you can't simply add with an Xposed module, or some root app. Take CM's theme manager, for example. I honestly don't know what I'd do without the theme manager. And Paranoid Android's Hover feature? (Which I guess with Lollipop's floating mode, is now useless), but in KitKat, it was revolutionary. And I'm sure they'll continue to add new, unbeatable features in Lollipop, too. And until they stop adding new features, I don't think it's likely that I'll stop using them.
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CM theme Manager based on T-Mobile theme engine is used by RichmondoUK in his xposed module too
A custom rom is a great thing but not necessary. I wish i had a custom rom on my m8, but since is almost certain that i can't s-off it, i don't wanna risk not been able to update the firmware or to lose wifi or network signal if i upgrade to a rom based on newer firmware. So i'll keep it stock at least until lollipop comes.
I`d like to add something,
Before knowing that GREAT invention called "XPOSED" , custom roms were a must for me and I assume for every android maniac like me. But now things are totally different , with XPOSED u can have customize ur stock rom in all ways . And thus u get all the benefits of both stock roms "stable bug free" and custom roms at the same time. Guys we shud really thank Mr. XPOSED inventor whoever he is. :good::good:
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Before knowing that GREAT invention called "XPOSED" , custom roms were a must for me and I assume for every android maniac like me. But now things are totally different , with XPOSED u can have customize ur stock rom in all ways . And thus u get all the benefits of both stock roms "stable bug free" and custom roms at the same time. Guys we shud really thank Mr. XPOSED inventor whoever he is. :good::good:
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I see everyone talking about Xposed.
Given it's uncertain future in Android 5 I'm afraid for the foreseeable you are going to want baked in features on custom ROMs.
I personally cannot wait to see what themers can do with Android 5.0 in the CM theme engine.
Like others I am also waiting for CM12 as it always just feels more snappy than stock.
For many is already too late, you installed 5.1 believing the hype that latest means greatest and found out that 5.1 is not better than 4.4.4, simply different. You found out some of your apps don't work, your battery life took a hit for the worse or even your hardware does not perform as well as it did on Kitkat 4.4.4. If you installed the OTA for 5.1 and you are happy, this is not directed at you; just continue to enjoy your new OS. I have taken the time to read from many different sources and viewed several videos on You Tube that test side by side Kitkat 4.4.4 vs LP 5.1 and it shows conclusively that Kitkat outperforms LP is just about every category that can be measured or seen with your own eyes. I also realize that some on kitkat may be experiencing a specific problem that they believe or hope LP will solve. This post is not designed to tell anyone what to do or not do. I advised caution, patience and research.
If you know for a fact that LP will offer you something specific that you need take the plunge but at least take the time to check what LP will mess up that you are now enjoying on Kitkat, the information is out there easily found, in closing: if you are sitting on the fence and have not yet taken the 5.1 OTA read and view videos so when you make your decision at least you will know what you will be getting and losing.
They should get replacements if they have had all those problems. I side loaded 5.1 and my battery life more than doubled, it sped up immensely and just about everything is better..
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I have read the 5.1 image over 4.4.4 is working well, not so good with the OTA.
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I have read the 5.1 image over 4.4.4 is working well, not so good with the OTA.
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They are binary matches once installed. Differences are whether the user wipes or not.
From what I understand the 5.1 image allows mofo root to work and is reversible to 4.4.4. The 5.1 OTA for Droid Turbo offers nothing I want, but I do understand probably most people do want it...new has a hynotic appeal.
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For many is already too late... I have taken the time to read from many different sources and viewed several videos on You Tube that test side by side Kitkat 4.4.4 vs LP 5.1 and it shows conclusively that Kitkat outperforms LP is just about every category that can be measured or seen with your own eyes.
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I'm sorry, I just can't read this post without chuckling a bit. It literally sounds like any tin-foil hat type post on conspiracy forums. (They generally say they know without a doubt and the evidence they've seen shows.. the moon landings were faked.. airplanes are poisoning us... the government has the ability to keep a secret... and they generally cite a youtube video they saw.)
Im not saying people aren't having issues, but to say KK is conclusively shown to be slower than LP via youtube... ugh.
I dont have to cite anything and say no. Art vs Dalvik. Thats the only argument I have to make.
As for your last post, yes, from 4.4.4 you can flash parts of 5.1 and a (rooted) image to get LP with root... that's about all I have to say on this "conclusive" topic.
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They should get replacements if they have had all those problems. I side loaded 5.1 and my battery life more than doubled, it sped up immensely and just about everything is better..
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I'm sorry, I just can't read this post without chuckling a bit. It literally sounds like any tin-foil hat type post on conspiracy forums. (They generally say they know without a doubt and the evidence they've seen shows.. the moon landings were faked.. airplanes are poisoning us... the government has the ability to keep a secret... and they generally cite a youtube video they saw.)
Im not saying people aren't having issues, but to say KK is conclusively shown to be slower than LP via youtube... ugh.
I dont have to cite anything and say no. Art vs Dalvik. Thats the only argument I have to make.
As for your last post, yes, from 4.4.4 you can flash parts of 5.1 and a (rooted) image to get LP with root... that's about all I have to say on this "conclusive" topic.
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Chuckling is good. Installing the 5.1 OTA without doing a little checking first coud make a person . I advocated patience and reading first that's all, Since you are familiar with Art you already know that not all programs that our members use and find important are updated to use it. I would agree with you that LP has a greater potential than KK. I am sure it has not been realized yet... and I can't stand white backgrounds
Running ComputerFreak's 5.1 image, and just about everything about it is perfect.
Debloated, rooted, ad-free, and xposed enabled. Along with exceptional performance and battery life, leagues ahead of kitkat.
What more could you ask for?
I could not disagree with the OP more if I wanted. LP is leaps and bounds better than KK - performance-wise, battery-wise, looks, and feels. Unless you have a dire need of root, LP is a way to go
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Running ComputerFreak's 5.1 image, and just about everything about it is perfect.
Debloated, rooted, ad-free, and xposed enabled. Along with exceptional performance and battery life, leagues ahead of kitkat.
What more could you ask for?
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I'm running an even more debloated version (customized myself) of ComputerFreek's 5.1 image (1.0b).
I wouldn't say everything is perfect..
1. Nova Launcher and also APEX launcher lost the ability to show unread emails, even using the ASOP (from Cyanogenmod) Email client.
2. Xposed modules that are compatible with 5.1 are just a fewer than 4.4. One of the modules I was using was the Dynamic Alarm clock, I kinda miss it now
Otherwise 5.1 seems to be great...
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I'm running an even more debloated version (customized myself) of ComputerFreek's 5.1 image (1.0b).
I wouldn't say everything is perfect..
1. Nova Launcher and also APEX launcher lost the ability to show unread emails, even using the ASOP (from Cyanogenmod) Email client.
2. Xposed modules that are compatible with 5.1 are just a fewer than 4.4. One of the modules I was using was the Dynamic Alarm clock, I kinda miss it now
Otherwise 5.1 seems to be great...
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I use Action launcher for my main, so I haven't noticed that.
Haven't had any issues with xposed modules. I'm using GravityBox, Greenify, Lucky Patcher, NoMapsTips, Pandora Patcher, SNAPFREFS, and YouTube AdAway with zero issues.
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I use Action launcher for my main, so I haven't noticed that.
Haven't had any issues with xposed modules. I'm using GravityBox, Greenify, Lucky Patcher, NoMapsTips, Pandora Patcher, SNAPFREFS, and YouTube AdAway with zero issues.
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So Action launcher will still show unread email from Exchange with the Email client (not Gmail)?
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So Action launcher will still show unread email from Exchange with the Email client (not Gmail)?
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Works for default Gmail client on 5.1
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Works for default Gmail client on 5.1
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Nova and APEX work with Gmail client too.
However, I need the default Email client, the one that works with Exchange (ActiveSync)... I have my contacts, calendar in my work's Exchange server...
Oh well, hopefully an update will come out soon...
I had the opportunity today to spend some time with one of my sons who happens to own a Droid Turbo, he asked me if I had updated to LP and I said no, he told me he did the OTA update to LP about 2 weeks ago and was very happy with it. My first question was how is your battery life? He said about the same. I asked him if there was any one feature that clearly in his opinion made it better than KK and he said no, he liked the overall effect like eye candy, he likes it because is new, different and the latest. Fair enough, that is certainly a good enough reason to change...but not for me. Next we spent about the next 10-15 minutes opening programs that we shared in common also going to different web sites phones side by side. The results were this: KK was slightly faster most of the time (1 second on average) a few times LP was faster (fractions of a second) The truth is exactly what I saw on You Tube videos: right now as of today KK is overall slightly faster than LP. I would like to emphasize my son is very happy with LP, he likes how it looks and that is fine. Reality TODAY demonstrated to me that KK is faster than LP. No big deal faster, just a little faster. So this ART vs Dalvik is an area where until developers actually rewrite their programs to take full advantage of AOT ahead of time compiling vs just in time to avoid those programs that today don't play nice with ART. The future it seems belongs to ART but in the present Dalvik is superior. Just my opinion ok guys don't get all crazy and worked up about it. Just remember you know a lot more about this than me...the only thing that matters to me is what I see when I use my phone, not lines of binary code.
Latest means better bro
Every update is for the betterment
Maybe the lp5.1 ROMs u used were not satisfactory for you but the switch to art framework , ram optimisation , other ui and the most important the stability made lp a reason of better ROM than kk
Wait for the stable lp ROM and u ll get your answer
Its a great step taken by Google
And the experience with lp is great
These misconceptions are just made for popularity maybe
I myself am using cm 12.1 and that too unofficial ported by me and the experience with this ROM is way better than that of stock rom or even other ROMs .
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manhar2108 said:
Latest means better bro
Every update is for the betterment
Maybe the lp5.1 ROMs u used were not satisfactory for you but the switch to art framework , ram optimisation , other ui and the most important the stability made lp a reason of better ROM than kk
Wait for the stable lp ROM and u ll get your answer
Its a great step taken by Google
And the experience with lp is great
These misconceptions are just made for popularity maybe
I myself am using cm 12.1 and that too unofficial ported by me and the experience with this ROM is way better than that of stock rom or even other ROMs .
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My thread and comments were aimed at Verizon Droid Turbo owners that are running stock KK compared to OTA LP, within those parameters I advocated patience, reading and research before changing to OTA LP that's all. I have operated my stock Turbo KK next to stock OTA LP and yes some things look different but it did nothing we tested better...nothing. I agree with you that the intent of new updates is to improve and make better; the results are not always better... do you remenber when Windows Vista was the newest, latest OS Microsoft had to offer???:laugh:
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My thread and comments were aimed at Verizon Droid Turbo owners that are running stock KK compared to OTA LP, within those parameters I advocated patience, reading and research before changing to OTA LP that's all. I have operated my stock Turbo KK next to stock OTA LP and yes some things look different but it did nothing we tested better...nothing. I agree with you that the intent of new updates is to improve and make better; the results are not always better... do you remenber when Windows Vista was the newest, latest OS Microsoft had to offer???:laugh:
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Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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I know, is all good.
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Similarly was win 8 but it had improvements
That's what I mean to say
Wait for a stable ROM
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And you measured the times how? Second, fraction of a Second. All perceived I'm guessing. To many variables involved. I personally think lp is faster than kk. But again it's my opinion and based on a perceived feeling.
I remember when I had my s5 there was stable root options rather quickly but stable root for s7 is taking awhile. Just curious what it is about this phone that's taking a bit? Is it at&t? Samsung security? Lack of Devs?
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I remember when I had my s5 there was stable root options rather quickly but stable root for s7 is taking awhile. Just curious what it is about this phone that's taking a bit? Is it at&t? Samsung security? Lack of Devs?
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Tbh as long as you don't use xposed and you flash the v15 fix, it runs just as well as stock. Using it on the g930u romantic and I get even better performance and battery life than with stock att rom
As for the time, Samsung has seriously locked this phone down. The normal kernel would not allow any changes to the system, the hash would mismatch. The engineering kernel is more permissive and allows such things. Android vulnerabilities such as towel root are also much more scarce.
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Tbh as long as you don't use xposed and you flash the v15 fix, it runs just as well as stock. Using it on the g930u romantic and I get even better performance and battery life than with stock att rom
As for the time, Samsung has seriously locked this phone down. The normal kernel would not allow any changes to the system, the hash would mismatch. The engineering kernel is more permissive and allows such things. Android vulnerabilities such as towel root are also much more scarce.
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why not use xposed?
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why not use xposed?
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Xposed is what makes it unstable. If you go without Xposed your rom will be ? (plus using the u rom helps)
Before I installed the u rom and rooted, my phone would lose 17% just from being locked in my pocket. Now it's only 8. For 3 hours. Works great.
There's really no point to rooting if xposed and custom ROMs are out of the question IMO
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my s7 is using U-Firmware but no xposed.. being rooted is good to rid of bloated ware apps, use ADBlock host, using screen off app (it requires rooted), freezing background apps that i dont use them and its fun to goofing around with /system and /data... and i am using iron man boot animations. there is a custom ROM working now on forum.
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There's really no point to rooting if xposed and custom ROMs are out of the question IMO
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Rooting is still great if the are no custom roms (which there are)( Echoe rom is running smoothly) all it takes is a little research to learn how to mod yourself and little things that you can do to improve your phone yourself. Not knocking anyone that don't know how cause i still don't know a bunch but there is a lot of things you can do yourself to improve the phone experience. (After all, people that build roms are everyday people that learned!)
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my s7 is using U-Firmware but no xposed.. being rooted is good to rid of bloated ware apps, use ADBlock host, using screen off app (it requires rooted), freezing background apps that i dont use them and its fun to goofing around with /system and /data... and i am using iron man boot animations. there is a custom ROM working now on forum.
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I ran the U FW for a little while but noticed that my battery was getting taxed really bad despite not having any bloat installed so I switched back to stock and it normalized.
Aside from not being able to uninstall the bloatware and change my boot ani, I can do everything you're doing. I have a package disabler (freezing apps), I have a system wide adblocker (adguard) that works perfectly well. Nova has gestures sop I can double tap to lock the screen. I personally have no use for root apps any longer. I can't install a custom kernel so can't over clock the processor, I don't need titanium backup because I'm not going to need to restore my phone after a flash, I'm not sure if viper sound mod works with S7 but I'd certainly want that again.
I'm happy with the phone as is and don't really see the need to modify it in any way aside from the visual customizations and those options are virtually limitless without root also
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Rooting is still great if the are no custom roms (which there are)( Echoe rom is running smoothly) all it takes is a little research to learn how to mod yourself and little things that you can do to improve your phone yourself. Not knocking anyone that don't know how cause i still don't know a bunch but there is a lot of things you can do yourself to improve the phone experience. (After all, people that build roms are everyday people that learned!)
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The problem is I'm on at&t with the snapdragon processor so the phone is locked down very tight. If I had the international version, sure, I may screw around with whatever custom ROMs that are out there but I really don't feel the need. My first smartphone was a galaxy S and I didn't even have that for a month before I rooted it and slapped on some custom ROMs. I flashed that phone well over 50 times with either different ROMs or updates that required a clean flash to operate correctly. I owned a galaxy S3 and did the same thing with that phone. Owned an HTC ONE M8 and ran practically all the customs that were available for that phone too so I have had my fun with firmware customization and then some. Sadly, I couldn't go 6 months without the ROMs ****ting the bed because as you said, the ROM cookers are regular ppl too. Memory leaks were always a serious problem so I was basically CONSTANTLY troubleshooting my devices to get them to run optimally. Inevitably, when I really needed my phone for something is when these problems would occur! That got old! I'm perfectly happy with this device as is. It runs exceptionally well without me forever having to mess with it.
Have your fun. There's a lot of neat things to learn and discover and a lot of heart attacks too when you think, crap, I really screwed up this time! How am I gonna get myself out of THIS mess, lol
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I ran the U FW for a little while but noticed that my battery was getting taxed really bad despite not having any bloat installed so I switched back to stock and it normalized.
Aside from not being able to uninstall the bloatware and change my boot ani, I can do everything you're doing. I have a package disabler (freezing apps), I have a system wide adblocker (adguard) that works perfectly well. Nova has gestures sop I can double tap to lock the screen. I personally have no use for root apps any longer. I can't install a custom kernel so can't over clock the processor, I don't need titanium backup because I'm not going to need to restore my phone after a flash, I'm not sure if viper sound mod works with S7 but I'd certainly want that again.
I'm happy with the phone as is and don't really see the need to modify it in any way aside from the visual customizations and those options are virtually limitless without root also
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The problem is I'm on at&t with the snapdragon processor so the phone is locked down very tight. If I had the international version, sure, I may screw around with whatever custom ROMs that are out there but I really don't feel the need. My first smartphone was a galaxy S and I didn't even have that for a month before I rooted it and slapped on some custom ROMs. I flashed that phone well over 50 times with either different ROMs or updates that required a clean flash to operate correctly. I owned a galaxy S3 and did the same thing with that phone. Owned an HTC ONE M8 and ran practically all the customs that were available for that phone too so I have had my fun with firmware customization and then some. Sadly, I couldn't go 6 months without the ROMs ****ting the bed because as you said, the ROM cookers are regular ppl too. Memory leaks were always a serious problem so I was basically CONSTANTLY troubleshooting my devices to get them to run optimally. Inevitably, when I really needed my phone for something is when these problems would occur! That got old! I'm perfectly happy with this device as is. It runs exceptionally well without me forever having to mess with it.
Have your fun. There's a lot of neat things to learn and discover and a lot of heart attacks too when you think, crap, I really screwed up this time! How am I gonna get myself out of THIS mess, lol
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You are correct on every thing you mentioned above. I in a lot of ways are like you, i have had my ups and downs with flashing and recovering and what not. That is why i started learning how to do more myself do that i didn't flash a rom with so many things i didn't need or want. I used to run exposed on every rom and every phone for simple things that i thought were "cool" but i didn't really need. Ever since i quit using exposed and stated modding things that i actually use i quit having problems. I do still run roms, but am a lot more cautious on what i flash. But the Echoe rom (without installing exposed) is one if the smoothest roms i have ever ran. Absolutely no issues so far except swipe text does not work in the stock "Internet" App which is fixed in the updated version which i haven't upgraded to since it is still in beta. But all that aside, i still don't mind messing with things on a day to day basis and i still have the time for it.