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SAMOLED+ Pixel Response Time and Touch Screen Discussion & My Review of These Parts.
Hey all, I wanted to start a thread to have a discussion about these two things that are my only disappointments in this phone.
Let me start by saying I think this phone is awesome, and yes I feel there are a few other faults on the phone (lockscreen delay when running off the battery due to the CPU taking a second to kick in, weak GPS/wifi signal sometimes, heavy banding on gradients etc) But those are software issues and I know in the near future Samsung/Devs will sort this out.
But I had some big complaints that aren't (still I hope not) software issues. Firstly;
- Response Time.
By this I mean when you buy a new monitor and the response time is listed as 4ms or whatever. This is the time the pixel takes to make a full change. A slow response time will cause ghosting. And that's exactly a issue that the Samsung Galaxy SII faces. Ghosting.
I've gone through 4 replacement SII's for various reasons, and on all of them they ghosted. So it's not just my phone. Samsung bizarrely states the response time is 0.001ms which would be there would be no ghosting at all. However there is, quite a bit actually, by my testing the screen is actually around 6-8ms.
I want to see if anyone else notices it. I know there's been a couple of threads on this but I want to see if the majority of people notice this. Here's how to test, go onto white page with black text on, and then scroll down the page at a moderate pace, not to fast not too slow, try it at different speeds as well just in case you don't get it right.
The easiest way I find to do this is use the inbuilt stock news app, load up any story and it'll give you a long white page with black text you can scroll through. As you may notice if you got a decent set of eyes on you, the text will leave a trail. Also known as ghosting. To me, I find this absolutely unacceptable on such high end device.
- Colour
Also, as it's been widely reported and has been noticeable on all my GSII's, the colour temperature is very 'cool', nowhere near the perfect 6500k. As a result, white's look very blue. This is fine and you hardly notice it on it's own, however when I'm using the device at my PC, which I use on a 32" IPS panel TV I professionally calibrated, the whites on the GSII look more blue than the ocean! Technically this is a software problem and can easily be sorted when custom roms come along but jeez, this is some bad stock colour calibration.
Also when you tilt the display, the viewing angles are generally very good, however tilting the display by pretty much any angle adds an extra blue tint to the screen on an already blueish screen.
I'm an absolutely screen quality perfectionist so these points really get to me. Especially considering this is such a high end device.
Overall I'd give the display a 6.5/10.
After the colour temperature has been sorted, I'll give it a 7.5/10.
If the ghosting can get minimized somehow even slightly through software on top of that, I'd give it an 8.5/10.
Secondly;
- Touch Screen
Now we all know about the movement deadzone/threshold on the touch screen which is massively annoying, but hopefully that'll get fixed in the near future. But What I'm going to complain about is the low sensitivity of the touch screen is the best way I can describe it.
On my HTC Desire, I can tap the screen ridiculously lightly and quick, and the device will register the input, absolutely no questions asked. Absolutely brilliant.
However on the GSII the sensitivity seems to be a lot lower, I can tap the screen lightly and quickly and the screen won't register the touch at all. This is pretty damn annoying as sometimes I just tap the screen lightly normally and I have to retap things. Not very often but still. I wish the device was as sensitive as the HTC Desire.
In it's current state I'd give the touch screen an 8/10.
If the movement deadzone and sensitivity got fixed, it'd be a 10/10.
Now I'm sure I had more to write about but I've forgotten now. I'll edit it into the post if I can think of the other things.
Now as I said, I think the GSII is a smashing phone, sure there are a lot of niggles at the minute, but I know they'll get sorted soon. Just the points I've outlined in this thread are things I'm scared won't get sorted. But you never know, I'm really hoping they can get sorted/do get sorted.
As I said I've had 4 Galaxy S2's all had the above issues, and I've used 2 other S2's from friends who also have these issues, so it's widespread, I'm just curious if people actually notice it.
I've added a poll to the thread regarding these issues. Please don't lie to yourself about this stuff, if you notice it, please answer honestly
I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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I honestly hadnt noticed any of this stuff, i even watched a video of the deadzone and couldnt replicate it myself. I also think the touch response is fine you must have a very light finger/thumb!
The ghosting i hadnt noticed probly because i dont read text as im scrolling i tend to go a page at a time and the fact that im too taken back with the smoothness that pages do scroll.
The blue tint you guessed it i hadnt noticed but then again its not often i hold my phone up to specially tuned monitors.. Then again maybe theres a reason for it maybe it helps reduce glare in sunlight, then again maybe im talking aload of ****e!
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Haha I could moan for england ;P
Nah it's just I'm very picky when it comes to screens. And I definitely expect the best on such a high end device, unfortunately the SGSII falls abit short on this.
It's still a great device. Really wish I didn't notice this sort of stuff haha.
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Personally....I think your nuts. This is the best screen ever on a phone. I have none of those issues, the touch screen perfectly responsive, my whites are white as white can be. You keep getting your phone from the same supplier and that leads me to be what the problem is. mine is perfect in every way. lucky me I guess
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Best screen on a phone possibly. It's not the best screen ever though, it's good don't get me wrong, but not the best.
And I assure you, your device has everything that I outlined in my original post, it's just down to the user if they notice it or not. When I used my friends Galaxy SII's (who both got it from different places to me and each other) I asked them about this stuff and they had no idea what I was on about, so I thought my phone was faulty and I had a look at their GSII's and theirs have the same problems aswell, they just don't notice them. (They did after I pointed it out though muwhahah)
I must not have a sgs2. Maybe its because mine is from first batch but I have none of your listed issues. After 4 devices, it cant be samsungs fault.
Heh, guys every SGSII have these issues, I'm not arguing that, was merely checking to see how many people notice these issues (not many in the grand scheme of things apparently) there's quite a lot of reports of these problems so it's just down to the user
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I guess I have horrible standards. No shadowning on my phone.
The ghosting and blue-ish colortemperature I noticed right from the start. But to be honest: I really dont care. At least the ghosting is nothing which stands out of the crowd... all of them have it ... HTC, LG, Apple. The only reason you don't notice it as much, is the lower contrast on the other displays.
As for the sensitivity: It's a little lower than with my htc hd2, BUT I'm actually glad it is. The sensitivity on the HTC phones is ridiculously high. You don't even have to touch the screen and you end up clicking something, which can be quite annoying sometimes. On the SGS2 I never had any missclicks, nor did I have any non-responsivenesses. Perfect setup for my taste.
I think all of the average joe out there probably doesn't care about all this minor issues. You must have the intention to find the fault of the phone in order to get what you want to find but do you think most of us would be doing this? Haha.. Tbh I don't really care as long as the phone does what I want without falling apart. lol..
Yeah I was a bit surprised by the ghosting, having seen the response time claims, but neither that nor the colour temp (on 'movie') have really bothered me so far.
What has irked me a bit is the image sharpness. On a site like m.engadget.com the coloured text on white background has a dark outline all around it, which to me looks horrible. Anyone else noticed that?
I think the ghosting issue is due to the low fresh rate of the touch screen.It's lower than 60HZ.
When you scroll the screen,the animation is not smooth enough,so you see the ghosting.
It's more of a visual persistence issue.
I remember when some choppy animation showed in CRT,I can see ghosting.
Never the less,when your finger leave the touch screen,let it scrolling itself,you can see the "ghosting" would be less noticible.
But you can still see it,that's because of 60HZ refresh rate of the Display.
I just wondering if there is any way to change the fresh rate of the touch screen.
What are you doing that's causing ghosting issues? There is a definite color temp issue but that's how every amoled screen has been so far. I would take a little bit of blue tint over the black color performance
The thing that causes the ghosting, as I said in my original post, it fast movement. The screens pixels can't change fast enough so things leave a trail.
As I said the best way so see this is to loadup a long page with a white background and black text and then scroll down at a moderate pace, fast but not so fast you eyes your eyes canty follow the line of text. If toy do it right and you've got a decent set of eyes you'll see that the text leaves a trail.
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hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device the grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
nongrata23 said:
hi,
You are not the only *nut* i noticed that on my device they grey sux big time,... specially on rgb 100 100 100 have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084543
My white is ok, but the grey goes magenta,
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if u go to 160 dpa u will see the effect better on greys and gradients which involves grays!
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Yep, there's a lot disappointments with the screen on this phone. However as the poll is so far proving, majority of people don't care for quality as much as us. Only a few others care/notice about the things we're complaining about.
rojdag said:
no offence but you sound like you could moan for england! chill out and focus on the things it does do well and you may notice the negatives less
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Thanks .. Thats the funniest **** i have read all day...
Theres nothing wrong with my sgs2 and ive owned Hero's Desire's Nexus One's and even an LG2X.. This phone is superb.. This dude does sound a bit anal..
Hey. I can definately notice ghosting on this screen if i purposely try to but as others have said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. When watching films or playing games it's non-existant.
As for the whites, you yourself stated you can't really notice until you hold the device against your professionally calibrated screen. How are the blacks in comparison? Out of interest, how much was that screen/calibration.
I think the main problem with alot of peoples gripes is focusing on only the weaker aspects of the phone rather than the device as a whole. People want perfection which unfortunately doesn't exist in the world of electrical consumer tech.
now i see this horrible grey everywhere i cannot even look at my phone any more!
I hope that this issue would be enough to change my device!
Hey drm111, as you know I have those problems too.
Did you have them on all your 4phones?
1) As you know I have this topic in wich one screen had this blue ish coat on the screen, noticable from the angles you talk abouth. But the other one does not have it.
So maybe not everyone has that blue coating? Did you investigated that further?
2) As you also know there is this yellowish/darker 1/3 of the left screen, probably some don't notice it. You have to be in a dark room or in a light one really looking for it. You read abouth this huh?
But I you didn't post it here. Aren't you having this problem? And did you have it on al of your 4 phones?
3) Ghosting, yes i notice it to. No sharp text when scrolling,is that the ghosting too?
I have this first generation ipod touch, text stays sharp when scrolling. Should be the case here too.
4) Than you have the grey tints, wich turn pink. You can see it in the topic of nongrata23. But some phone don't have it it seems. Software or hardware?
We need to figure out what is 'normal' and what isn't. As I don't want to send my phone back if it is normal at this point for all the gs2 that are on the market.
Let me start by saying i used to work for a PC magazine and was among those who blew the whistle on the nVidia texture replacement fiasco surrounding the Geforce 5800. I can see a single texture out of place in a high FPS game, so my eye is VERY keen.
The colour of the SGS2 is slightly blue yes, but mine is no worse than the average LCD, including the Retina display.
Response time is seemingly slower than the previous AMOLED screens ive seen, but again is more than a match for the LCDs out there.
I would say samsung have made a trade off between the sub pixel density and other factors. It works for me just fine.
The 16bit thing is interesting. It looks to me like the screen isnt 16bit, but it is using 16bit at times. Thats a driver issue.
Has anybody else noticed a dark patch on the edge of their screen? Along the top side of my screen, I can see it going off white when browsing a website in portrait mode for example.
It's like the back light isn't working properly there or something. Anybody else got this, should I get a replacement?
It's not hugely visible but it's noticeable on a white screen at any brightness level
Idk, it's up to you. I have light bleed in my right hand corner that is always visible, unless your in a well lit room on 0% brightness. I can't decide whether or not I want to send mine back though because of how common these backlighting issues seem to be.
Yeah. Mine is flawless otherwise. Its so barely noticeable I think I'll just get used to it.
Same ha ha, other people can't even spot it when i point it out to them on auto-brightness.
Yes, I noticed mine right away, but like others have said, its hardly noticeable. It doesn't bother me at all...
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Same thing here. Most noticeable on a solid white background. I'm starting to think it's not a lighting problem but something to do with the way the panel is manufactured. If I hold the tablet in landscape so it's perpendicular to my face with my eyes lined up with the camera, the brightness is even across the panel. As soon as I tilt the bottom towards me, the brightness falls along the top edge. Makes it seem more like a viewing angle issue related to the way the layers are assembled or maybe a difference in pressure on the panel along that edge.
I decided to live with it because it's very rare that I have an app running in full screen that puts a light background across that area.
Same issue for me as well
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Same thing here. Most noticeable on a solid white background. I'm starting to think it's not a lighting problem but something to do with the way the panel is manufactured. If I hold the tablet in landscape so it's perpendicular to my face with my eyes lined up with the camera, the brightness is even across the panel. As soon as I tilt the bottom towards me, the brightness falls along the top edge. Makes it seem more like a viewing angle issue related to the way the layers are assembled or maybe a difference in pressure on the panel along that edge.
I decided to live with it because it's very rare that I have an app running in full screen that puts a light background across that area.
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I had the same issue with my first unit, did RMA and got second one. Second one had the exact same issue. Finally decided to get refund. The play store customer support said that there were few people reporting it already. This might be a design issue as well- the way device is tapered differently at the edges(backlight might not be aligned properly), two strong magnets near camera etc. Just speculating.
Dark patch here too. RMA process underway. 1/3 of screen has yellow tint. Noticeable when reading on white background. Annoyance.
boominski said:
Dark patch here too. RMA process underway. 1/3 of screen has yellow tint. Noticeable when reading on white background. Annoyance.
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Keep us posted on the replacement device!
Same problem here. I received my Nexus 10 yesterday and notice dimming primarily (exclusively?) along the long edges. While reading a web page with a white background in portrait mode I found myself wondering if chrome was adding a gradient to the edges for some stylistic effect, but realized that made no sense. I observed the same problem with Firefox, and then I installed a screen testing app and observed the dimming with a solid white screen.
It sounds like this is probably a manufacturing/design error. Now I have to decide whether it's worth the rigmarole of exchanging the device, probably to no effect. I guess this is the risk you take when purchasing a device sight-unseen.
If you bought it from a store it would still be unseen, since it would be in the box. I had the same problem with the iPad 3. It took me three exchanges to get one with an acceptable screen. All of them had dark, blotchy, yellow patches. By all accounts it's due to the adhesive glue they use. We shall see what the replacement brings. Order is currently at the 'pending' stage.
I also have this on my screen. Right side when in portrait mode. You can't see it in landscape, which is weird. My wife and I have decided to keep it, though, as everything else about it is perfect. Plus, this defect, if you want to call it that, does not detract from our enjoyment and uses.
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I don't have a dark patch on mine, I just received it yesterday.
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If you bought it from a store it would still be unseen.
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To clarify, I meant that I'd never had the opportunity to use *any* Nexus 10 in person. Had I done so, and noticed the dim edge, it would have at least raised the possibility that there was a design or manufacturing issue.
Speaking of which, I examined an in-store Nook HD+ display unit yesterday and what do you know: it had the same dim edge issue.
By the way, where did you hear about the adhesive glue explanation?
jmcharles said:
I also have this on my screen. Right side when in portrait mode. You can't see it in landscape, which is weird. My wife and I have decided to keep it, though, as everything else about it is perfect. Plus, this defect, if you want to call it that, does not detract from our enjoyment and uses.
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"Right side" doesn't really tell us anything haha.
eallan said:
"Right side" doesn't really tell us anything haha.
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Very well. Same side as the camera.
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jmcharles said:
Very well. Same side as the camera.
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Mine has--I assume--the same dimness along the entire length starting about 1/4" from the bezel along the "top" camera edge. It is actually somewhat distracting when reading a book in portrait mode. If I flip the screen around so that the dimness is on the left edge, for some reason I find it much less annoying. Unsure if this is a warranty replacement issue though. I haven't found another Nexus10 to see in person yet.
deisner said:
By the way, where did you hear about the adhesive glue explanation?
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It was all over the iPad forums when the iPad3 came out. Plenty of people with dodgy screens. Some reported success in leaving brightness turned up to max and plugged in for 24hrs etc to dry. But may have been placebo. It could also be an entirely different cause other than adhesive. After all, what do I know? In any case, mine's heading back, but the replacement is still stuck on 'pending'
I had a rare bit of luck. Somebody sat next to me on the bus yesterday evening and pulled out an oddly familiar black tablet. I explained the problem I was having and asked if I could examine his Nexus 10. His device had a perfect display, with no detectable dimming near the edges. So the issue appears to be a manufacturing defect, not a design flaw, and something that could in principle be solved with a replacement unit.
I called Google last night and have my RMA email. I'll ship it off this weekend.
deisner said:
I had a rare bit of luck. Somebody sat next to me on the bus yesterday evening and pulled out an oddly familiar black tablet. I explained the problem I was having and asked if I could examine his Nexus 10. His device had a perfect display, with no detectable dimming near the edges. So the issue appears to be a manufacturing defect, not a design flaw, and something that could in principle be solved with a replacement unit.
I called Google last night and have my RMA email. I'll ship it off this weekend.
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I would love it if you would come back and post if the replacement has or does not have the issue.
Hi guys.
Just recieved my brand new Nexus 4. Haven't rooted anything yet but I can notice some strange vertical "lines" of no colour. You can just say they are present and they give some weird discoloration, seen especially in the Settings menu,
Also noticed that my Antutu 3.0 closed itself (dunno why... it's 2GB of RAM...) only once and after one of several Antutu benchmarks there were some red lines... rectangles or some other stuff moving across the screen while in multitasking menu.
Now I'm a bit worried aboy the lines especially. Does it mean that I've just got a faulty device
Please check your Nexus 4's: just set the brightness to maximum and go to the Settings menu. If you see such not moving vertical lines (they are slight but still enough noticeable to see!) please report.
I live in Poland and I really would not want to RMA it since I would have to send it back to US...
EDIT: To add, the lines are especially seen on grey background, if it matters. But I can barely see them on my main screen too... I've also thought about the protective foil which is still present on both the front and back of my Nexus, but I don't think it may be causing it...
That's almost a description of the digitizer grid. Normally if it's at all visible it would require direct sunlight at specific angles. It would appear as metallic dots in vertical lines that reflect the sunlight. Perhaps the digitizer got bonded to the glass incorrectly? Give it a few days and see, it's well known that some bonding issues stabilize after a short while. If it's still very noticeable and bothers you, RMA the phone.
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That's almost a description of the digitizer grid. Normally if it's at all visible it would require direct sunlight at specific angles. It would appear as metallic dots in vertical lines that reflect the sunlight. Perhaps the digitizer got bonded to the glass incorrectly? Give it a few days and see, it's well known that some bonding issues stabilize after a short while. If it's still very noticeable and bothers you, RMA the phone.
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I'm almost sure it's not digitizer. I've seen it a few times on my dad's Xperia Neo V, and it just looks totally different. Also, I really can't see any dots. The thing that bothers me is the lines seem to be standing in their place all the time... I haven't seen this yet on any phone,
But, as you said, I'm giving it a few days. Also, I'll compare the screens when my 2nd Nexus arrives, so I'll find out if it's an issue or is it just normal (if it really CAN be normal...).
not in any particular order. factory reset it. get z-device test from the play store and run a test on the screen. dont run benchmarks on this phone. many people are having issues. and dont overclock. people are bricking their phones. i think they overheat.
Shouldn't be anything to worry about
Anyone got these lines or am I the only one to worry about them... :/ ?
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Anyone got these lines or am I the only one to worry about them... :/ ?
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Are you able to get a picture for us to see and compare?
I have lines, more like dots when angling the phone. They look like solar panel reflection, as a description. Only visible under strong sun light.
I also see rectangle impressions at certain angles;
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Here it is.
They're a little less noticeable in reality (I wanted to show them clearly), but they are. It becomes really annoying especially on one-colour backgrounds (greys!) and when swiping screens from one side to another.
Maybe it will cure itself? I really wouldn't like to do an RMA since, as I already mentioned, I live in Poland, and it would be pain to send it back to US and wait another months for new one (likely with some issues too...).
Please report whether you've got these.
PS. I also see those rectangles, but only at a very specific angle, and these are really not noticeable at all. All that bothers me are these lines...
I also get these lines when I turn the brightness up high
So I guess I'm not alone with this (issue?). If anyone spots the lines please report. It's really important to me as I'll be living with this device for probably a year or so and I really don't want to know that my phone is defective...
It's so sad; except lines, the phone is absolutely perfect; no overheating, no earphone buzz (at least not noticeable during calls at all), no yellow screen spots, no flickering, decent battery life... And now this.
Crap. Maybe that's just another "Nexus 4 feature" ?
Got my 2nd Nexus today and it's also got that strange banding. Guess it's somehow just normal...
You're seriously whining about this?? Really?!
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You're seriously whining about this?? Really?!
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Not entirely. It becomes noticeable mainly in dark rooms, and I really like to browse the Web in my bed on my Nexus 4
I guess I am becoming used to it now. It starts to be less noticeable, especially outdoors where it can't be seen at all. So I'll just stick with that and probably keep the phone.
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Got my 2nd Nexus today and it's also got that strange banding. Guess it's somehow just normal...
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I am experiencing the exact same issue you are describing and am worried myself. I just opened up my phone today. Did you end up RMAing the device? With people claiming that this is one of the best displays out there, it seems like more people would notice this problem, especially since it is so noticeable from the settings menu.
Here's a picture of the screen banding.
Yeah same issue here guys ... Already some post about it. I'm used to see thèse now but very visible at high light and grey or setting background.
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Yeah same issue here guys ... Already some post about it. I'm used to see thèse now but very visible at high light and grey or setting background.
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So do all nexus 4s have this issue or should we be RMAing our devices?
i have this too...
why does iPhone 5 get display from lg and dont have this issue but lg themselves do?
strangely apple can handle lg's screens better than themselves
kind of sucks...
this is one of those things that once you've seen it you cant unsee it
i also have a little bump on my aluminum bezel you cant see it but everytime i scroll on the left side on the screen i feel it...
So I guess the majority of Nexus 4 devices have that, but bany users can just not be aware of this issue.
That kinda sucks, but for this price... it's totally acceptable for me
Just like to say that I also have them, they are more visible at higher brightness.
This is not about the tiny silver dots you can see in certain angles when there is glare on the screen. I sold my 8gb Nexus 4 and bought a 16Gb but the new phone that just arrived has a bunch of vertical lines with 3 small horizontal lines which I assume is the digitizer and it is a self capacitance circuit. The problem is that it is visible ALL the time, from every angle even in dark rooms and while the screen is on. My old 8Gb did not have this problem (just the silver dots), is this enough for an RMA? I'm trying to get used to it but it is really distracting. Here are some pictures:
I would RMA that, that shouldn't look like that.
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Yeah, I'm going to call google and see what they say. Sucks though, the screen had great colors, FAST binned, and running stock got me a score of 19k in Antutu.
I can see that on mine too, it's the LCD matrix. Was similar on my One X as well before I sold it. Doesn't bother me one bit
It's the digitizer. Nothing to worry about.
However, i don't see them when the screen is on.
Nuu~ said:
It's the digitizer. Nothing to worry about.
However, i don't see them when the screen is on.
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I can see it if its a dark sceen, like if I pull down the notifications bar. What kills me is that my old rev10 Nexus 4 doesn't have that.
I emailed Google the picures of the screen and they said that it was defective and setup an RMA. Just wanted to post the result in case anybody has something similar. Thanks everybody.
I have that too, but it doesn't bother me since I only see it on some angles with the screen off. Apparently, from what I understood, it is actually a sign that you have a newer type display without the 'washed out colors' issue.
Please post pics of your replacement N4 when you get it to see if it is any different (I'm somewhat sceptical), since I think many people have this issue.
meranto said:
I have that too, but it doesn't bother me since I only see it on some angles with the screen off. Apparently, from what I understood, it is actually a sign that you have a newer type display without the 'washed out colors' issue.
Please post pics of your replacement N4 when you get it to see if it is any different (I'm somewhat sceptical), since I think many people have this issue.
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The replacement hasn't shipped yet, will let you know when I get it but this is most certainly a defective screen, the two phones side by side in the first post are both rev11 301k and both arrived about a week apart in february. One has the digitizer marks that are barely visible, only from certain angles(doesnt even show up in the pictures) and when the screen is off, the other one I can see them from 4 feet away. I have to agree on the colors though, the 301k has much better colors compared to my old 211k.
meranto said:
I have that too, but it doesn't bother me since I only see it on some angles with the screen off. Apparently, from what I understood, it is actually a sign that you have a newer type display without the 'washed out colors' issue.
Please post pics of your replacement N4 when you get it to see if it is any different (I'm somewhat sceptical), since I think many people have this issue.
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Replacement just arrived, the digitizer is MUCH less visible. See pic attached.
So I was on my 2nd Nexus 6P and like the first it had an uneven screen. Normal/slightly pink at the top and at the bottom it's more yellow. Instead of returning it I've decided to try and fix the yellow tint by intentionally causing a burn-in on the over-enthusiastic green pixels in the bottom half of my screen.
To do this I flashed a kernel which unlocks the high-brightness mode of the display, the awesome EX kernel, set my screen timeout to 15 minutes and left the display turned on for 3x15 minutes in high brightness mode with a black-to-green gradient open full screen in the Photos app (absolutely nothing else on screen). After each of the 15 minutes I checked the progress, after the 3rd time I considered it done. I'm happy to report that this has nearly eliminated my uneven screen problem.
So far I've seen no ill effects, just a nice even screen.
I used this black-to-green gradient that was a close match to where my screen was yellow. My first 6P had a different pattern of yellowness, so that would have required a different gradient, more like black-green-black.
Interesting, the normal slightly pink at the top transitioning to yellow at the bottom describes the screen on my original nexus 6P and it's replacement.
I'll look into giving this a try as well.
I´m not sure if something like this could be considered as a defect. If you look at a very high angle, you might see some sort of "rainbow effect" on the screen. You should be careful about "burning in" Pixels in a Amoled screen. High brightness will wear out the LEDs faster than you think. At least this is how I remember my old Samsung Galaxy S3 but maybe Amoled technology has improved a lot.
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I´m not sure if something like this could be considered as a defect. If you look at a very high angle, you might see some sort of "rainbow effect" on the screen. You should be careful about "burning in" Pixels in a Amoled screen. High brightness will wear out the LEDs faster than you think. At least this is how I remember my old Samsung Galaxy S3 but maybe Amoled technology has improved a lot.
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I can't really comment on if the OP's method is safe or not, but it is worth noting that the gradient/tint change is noticeable even when viewed straight on under normal use, such as browsing etc.
It could sort of be likened to the old TN based flat screens from a number of years ago where the top and bottom looked slightly different colours, however a lot of this was down to narrow viewing angles. I'm wondering if the same applies to the specific AMOLED display used by the 6P as well.
The AMOLED screens on my Moto X 2nd Gen and Moto X Force don't have the same problem.
I have a slight purple tint too on the screen but it is only visible on a white background. It does not bother me, if you set a higher brightness it is barely visible. Maybe all Nexus 6P have this sort of display and you simply have to live with it.
Azarin said:
I can't really comment on if the OP's method is safe or not, but it is worth noting that the gradient/tint change is noticeable even when viewed straight on under normal use, such as browsing etc.
It could sort of be likened to the old TN based flat screens from a number of years ago where the top and bottom looked slightly different colours, however a lot of this was down to narrow viewing angles. I'm wondering if the same applies to the specific AMOLED display used by the 6P as well.
The AMOLED screens on my Moto X 2nd Gen and Moto X Force don't have the same problem.
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Would you happen to have a before image for your screen? I would like to try this on my phone but can't say for sure what exact color the uneven section is. Most of the screen seems to have a pink tint that fades into a green/yellow tint in the bottom left corner. I don't want to stress the wrong color accidentally.
Can you post before and after pics of your screen please?
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I have a slight purple tint too on the screen but it is only visible on a white background. It does not bother me, if you set a higher brightness it is barely visible. Maybe all Nexus 6P have this sort of display and you simply have to live with it.
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Its a well known characteristic of samsung AMOLED screens. Samsung users have been complaining about this for some time. Its actually worse on the sgs6. But more brightness will make it less noticeable. Honestly, if you forget about it and stop focusing on it, you will stop noticing it.
Yeah I understand some are really bad you should send it back.but if its slight. There's no.point obsessing about it. It takes the joy away from using the phone
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Yeah I understand some are really bad you should send it back.but if its slight. There's no.point obsessing about it. It takes the joy away from using the phone
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It's impossible not obsessing about it since the display is very thing you look at when using a phone, people wouldnt tolerate if it was an LCD, dead pixels or any other defect at the advertised price, but since it's amoled we should be expected that these errors occur.
The issue on slight displays is that the screen is uneven on white, so its impossible to ignore on web browsing and how dark ui and gapps is not provided by Google, I would prefer it to be slightly pink/blue all over not half so you won't notice it.
Not meaning to rant and whine but consumers shouldn't have to accept this or fix the issue themselves, when I show the phone of friends, they notice the inconsistent white background and are shocked when I say its something you have to live with, the features are not going to outweigh the display issue
The joy of the phone is still there, just wish they implement quality control.
I complained about this on my Nexus 6. Ended up buying and returning a total of about 8 phones from various stores until i found the "perfect" one. Its incredibly irritating when you can notice it and its the first thing you see when the pixels light up. Some people may care more than others but im not willing to compromise anymore. AMOLED displays look great, but LCDs seem to have a better yield or QA. I was of course down voted and flamed about this. Good to see people starting to take action against garbage quality AMOLEDs.
ariekanarienl said:
So I was on my 2nd Nexus 6P and like the first it had an uneven screen. Normal/slightly pink at the top and at the bottom it's more yellow. Instead of returning it I've decided to try and fix the yellow tint by intentionally causing a burn-in on the over-enthusiastic green pixels in the bottom half of my screen.
To do this I flashed a kernel which unlocks the high-brightness mode of the display, the awesome EX kernel, set my screen timeout to 15 minutes and left the display turned on for 3x15 minutes in high brightness mode with a black-to-green gradient open full screen in the Photos app (absolutely nothing else on screen). After each of the 15 minutes I checked the progress, after the 3rd time I considered it done. I'm happy to report that this has nearly eliminated my uneven screen problem.
So far I've seen no ill effects, just a nice even screen.
I used this black-to-green gradient that was a close match to where my screen was yellow. My first 6P had a different pattern of yellowness, so that would have required a different gradient, more like black-green-black.
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This post is old but I wanted to try this nonetheless. You can't just burn in or wear out the pixels in such sort of time no matter what. 45 mis is not enough to cause such an effect. I tried it as I have a screen with the same exactly issue but there is no change. And I did it for far more than you. I let it all the night long for 3 days. There was no change. I don't think you can fix this issue this way (or any other way)
You guys keep saying "AMOLED issue". I bought 6p after having OnePlus X - it has AMOLED without any issue, it was perfect screen! Nexus 6p is great phone, but screen really bothers me... I hate, but I need to replace the phone. And I am not sure whether I will get a good phone or not. Support told me that if I would ask for replacement - they could send me a refurbished phone. Only buying new will give a new phone. I can still return it as I have it for few days...
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You guys keep saying "AMOLED issue". I bought 6p after having OnePlus X - it has AMOLED without any issue, it was perfect screen! Nexus 6p is great phone, but screen really bothers me... I hate, but I need to replace the phone. And I am not sure whether I will get a good phone or not. Support told me that if I would ask for replacement - they could send me a refurbished phone. Only buying new will give a new phone. I can still return it as I have it for few days...
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Hey,
Seriously, a refurbished device just after a few days? Like you had it for 10 months, lol? Is it Huawei?
Escalate the case to a supervisor and don't give up until you get a "proper" new phone!
Good luck...