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Sense 4 and Sense 4 Lite?

Ok, so, I downloaded Taz's Sense 4 ROM. Wow, this is smooth. But one thing buggers me - is this some kind of Slim version of Sense? Because, for example, I don't seem to find the setting to modify the lockscreen style. And there are a few other things too. Could it be just that this is a leaked version, so not feature complete? Or is there something more complicated in this story?

It isn't. This is full Sense 4.0, but considering it's a leak, it may (or may not) be missing some features.

bogdan5844 said:
Ok, so, I downloaded Taz's Sense 4 ROM. Wow, this is smooth. But one thing buggers me - is this some kind of Slim version of Sense? Because, for example, I don't seem to find the setting to modify the lockscreen style. And there are a few other things too. Could it be just that this is a leaked version, so not feature complete? Or is there something more complicated in this story?
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The lockscreen shortcuts mirror whatever is on the dock.
Whatever Taz's rom is philosophically, it is a better fit for our phone than any of the sense 3.x roms. (though our devs did amazing work with those versions)
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The ROMs that taz and ajhavery have posted are based off the One V leak. The One V uses a stripped down version of Sense 4, it must be part of what HTC did to optimise the software for it. Some features are missing, like notification power toggles and customisable lockscreen shortcuts. These missing features are part of what makes it possible for it to be smooth.

the truth is this is Sense 4.0A.

We will be more sure when another sense 4 rom leaked.

Even though,I love this rom very much!!!

Hm,i dont think that missin power toggles and lockscreen links are enough to make a ROM (that challenges the specs of a htc one xl) fit the one V
There are many 3D effects in the "normal" Sense 4.
Any Menu where u can choose tabs at the bottom (for example the phone) are designed a cubes... so the effect if u changed the tabs is gone in S4 Light
The "recent Apps" Menu looks like the one of Android 4. Whereas the real Sense 4 has an 3D sight as when pressing shift+windows on Windows 7. Maybe the Flipclock has its 3D effect too, but hasnt realized that.
In the end, the devs will make the real Sense 4 running fluid on our phone as well just a matter of time

sense
hi does anyone know what the difference in battery usage is for sense 3 vs sense 4, Because I plan to root and I dont which to opt for
I dont mind the overal design its not a big thing

Hm, 4 is debloated and uses less ressources, so i guess it saves a bit of energy. We need a Display-brightness-mod to adjust the (way to powerful) brightness in dark areas. But if i am right, rooting and flashing the right rom (maybe with an OC Deamon) saves a lot battery, because it will underclock the CPU when theres no need for higher clockrates...

So, we might, no, surely will get a *full* Sense 4 experience once the devs get their hands on an official/final leaked rom?

Hm, I guess so. The light Sense 4 is more fitting the specs of the Desire Z. So, i think the priority of optimization goes to the light Build. Remember how long and (only devs know) how much work it took to make Sense 3.5 running fluid on desire z. I think Sense 4 (full) can fight on equal terms with 3.5
There is a hell of a lot work to do for the devs...

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Hm, I guess so. The light Sense 4 is more fitting the specs of the Desire Z. So, i think the priority of optimization goes to the light Build. Remember how long and (only devs know) how much work it took to make Sense 3.5 running fluid on desire z. I think Sense 4 (full) can fight on equal terms with 3.5
There is a hell of a lot work to do for the devs...
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Well, the first builds of Sense 3.5 which ran smoothly enough to not make you pull your hair out just arrived 8-9 weeks ago. Around the time ICS source code was released.
Anyway, HTC said that they tried to make Sense 4 more trimmed down. I do think they were referring to both their versions, not just the „lite” one, am I right?

I've read that Sense 4a is made to be lighter, for phones with less memory, like the G2. Lock screen customization is a feature that didn't make the cut.

Sense 4A is meant for the One V which has less powerful hardware. It's a slightly stripped down version of Sense 4 which the One X and One S will be running. I'm pretty sure HTC stripped it down a bit so that it could run smoothly on that hardware.
I also know that HTC admitted to Sense becoming bloated, and that they're trying to reduce the "bloat", which is why Sense 4 appears to be simpler and has a few features missing.

Well, I think that's fine. 4A seems to be on the lighter side. Sense tries to follow the principle of function and speed above glitter. It also seems to be on the minimal side when compared to 3.x...Hence the sacrifice of customization options as such.
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I am currently trying out the new Sense 4.0A, and I quite like it.
I am coming from using a supercharged overclocked Energy Rom with swap enabled, which is OK (its my DD), apart from a couple of things - performance on games such as cut the rope etc is laggy, and opening mail/messages can take up to ten seconds sometimes.
The only issues I have currently with the new sense (apart from the camera of course) is that I cannot work out if it is possible to have more than 5 home screen panels. I don't know if I have just not worked it out or if it is a limitation of Sense 'lite'.
I can live with that by using folders anyway.
I think I would rather go for the cut down version that still keeps most of the functionality, and gain speed and reliability. Seriously, as soon as the camera works I think this is a DD for me.

I am currently testing a Sense 4.0 ROM and I really like it. Cannot wait until everything is running correct.

Transformed from a turd to a star.. GB to ICS

Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top, but with my first day going from gingerbread to ics I have to voice my opinions.
When I first booted it up this morning I was underwhelmed. I'm coming from a desire z with asop ics which is a fantastic device, still smooth and great all round.
With GB everything was ugly to start off with, and the general performance felt a step down from my modded desire z (truly a credit to the developers). The browser was clunky (even in opera mobile) , the whites were more yellow than I expected, the was quite some lag waking it up and audio with headphones was terrible. I gave the desire z credit for its audio quality, I'm no audiophile but the difference was massive and it was actually painful to listen to the songs I used to love.
Now I'm using the latest stunner and the difference is unreal, it has literally transformed the phone. Everything is faster, this is how the note should have been in the first place. I was gutted with the audio performance on GB, even tweaking the equaliser in power amp couldn't get me to an acceptable quality. Well somehow the dev's have done it again. In ICS the clarity and range is even slightly better than on my desire z, something I never expected.
I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it (I'm talking a 1 second delay between swiping and recognition) but I had faith in the developers and it's paid off.
This is mainly for those pondering on whether they should get the note because of initial bad reviews on the audio and using the stock rom. The audio and general performance is now fantastic on ICS.
I feel sorry for the many out there on the stock rom, here's to you developers.
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Thanks for your opinion that 5 million people like to buy turds at $600+ a pop
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Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top,
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shure2 said:
Ok so referring the note to a turd might be a bit over the top, but with my first day going from gingerbread to ics I have to voice my opinions.
When I first booted it up this morning I was underwhelmed. I'm coming from a desire z with asop ics which is a fantastic device, still smooth and great all round.
With GB everything was ugly to start off with, and the general performance felt a step down from my modded desire z (truly a credit to the developers). The browser was clunky (even in opera mobile) , the whites were more yellow than I expected, the was quite some lag waking it up and audio with headphones was terrible. I gave the desire z credit for its audio quality, I'm no audiophile but the difference was massive and it was actually painful to listen to the songs I used to love.
Now I'm using the latest shutter and the difference is unreal, it has literally transformed the phone. Everything is faster, this is how the note should have been in the first place. I was gutted with the audio performance on GB, even tweaking the equaliser in power amp couldn't get me to an acceptable quality. Well somehow the dev's have done it again. In ICS the clarity and range is even slightly better than on my desire z, something I never expected.
I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it (I'm talking a 1 second delay between swiping and recognition) but I had faith in the developers and it's paid off.
This is mainly for those pondering on whether they should get the note because of initial bad reviews on the audio and using the stock rom. The audio and general performance is now fantastic on ICS.
I feel sorry for the many out there on the stock rom, here's to you developers.
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Even though I agree that ICS on the Note is very neat and improves many aspects of the device, at least in my case Gingerbread was not that bad either!
Perhaps the only gripe was the small lag on wake, but other than that it was buttery-smooth out of the box and after the 380+ apps I usually end up installing.
I think it all comes down to what your carrier have done to it and what firmware version you got it with in the first place.
Cheers!

I wouldn't call The note a turd!! ,it is a bit slower than the unrealistically buttery smooth SGS2 but not by much.
and since the sgs2 was more smooth than an Iphone4 (my own experience) ,then I'd say that the note is doing just fine on GB.
although ,I'm really looking forward to trying ICS ,it's just the Idea of me flashing ICS bootloaders for a "beta" that's putting me off ,or have I got this part wrong ,and I don't need to change bootloaders?

shure2 said:
...When I first booted it up this morning...
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I'd like to thank you for observing the advantages of ICS Stunner over the stock GB rom for such a long time, thats what i would like to call an an excellent base for judging a hole rom. this will make my decision much easier.

A turd really a bit too much but I do agree with OP, gingerbread Note left many things to be desired and I am on ICS stunner now, only thing I missed is full function S-pen.
I do hate touchwiz in guts. It does nothing but crap out our beautiful Note
If I had to choose , HTC has best software development for proprietary software user experience. While Samsung has the best specced hardware.
Note with pure aosp/aokp ICS is the best phone available today
Just my opinion.
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I love ics but if gb could get tablet mode I could care less about ics.
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You think the Note is a turd on GB?
Try coming from over a year with a Dell Streak stuck at 2.2.2
THAT was painful!
The note with GB 2.3.6, and Go Launcher EX, FLIES...at least it does for me.

Haha yep I had a Streak over the year and it was developer Dj_Steve that saved it for as long as it did. Even though the Note is better in most regards if got a soft spot for it as it was my first real awesome device. Why? Because it was 5 inches Never selling that, great memories.
There was only one reason that prevented me from getting the Note on release and that was touchwiz. But a couple of months ago I got one and enjoying it. Waiting patiently for ics but most likely once the spen apps work on osap ill move to that. I just love the experience of vanilla android that I had on my Streak.

Well stock GB left much to be desired but after the Devs did their magic it was great. Going to ICS and Stunner made my Note just the way I wanted it. But overall the phone was always a winner to me just for screen size alone lol but I do miss the S-pen apps.
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100% agreed. I didn't buy the Note because of Touchwiz or the S-Pen really...I bought it for its awesome screen. As an Android fanatic, knowing that I could change the firmware to whatever I wanted, made it an easy buy. Most "normal" people couldn't tell you what phone they have let alone what version of Android they have, if they even know it's an Android phone to begin with. But I feel even to people like this, Touchwiz is something of a joke. It's butt-assed ugly, laggy, and just a UI disaster in general. If I was stuck with what Samsung offered me, I wouldn't have ever bought the Note in the first place.

madbird said:
I'd like to thank you for observing the advantages of ICS Stunner over the stock GB rom for such a long time, thats what i would like to call an an excellent base for judging a hole rom. this will make my decision much easier.
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I spent half the day using apps I would normally use (xda, opera, youtube, bbc app etc) and every single one was faster on my desire z with a custom rom (no games however). For me it doesn't take days to work out how good a rom is, I've been a serial flasher for years, and I'm sure lots of others can work out how good a rom is in a few hours. Maybe the desire z is an unfair comparison because it's so good when modded? But this has twice the ram, probably nearly twice the cpu performance so I was expecting a great performance out of the box.
Maybe I got a dud stock rom? (la6) If I'd have heard the headset quality in the store I wouldn't have brought it, but it's massively improved in ICS which I haven't seen said here. Obviously this is all down to personal preference, but the distortion and lifeless high ends were very noticeable before.
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The Mighty TouchWiz
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But I feel even to people like this, Touchwiz is something of a joke. It's butt-assed ugly, laggy, and just a UI disaster in general.
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This is slightly OT now, but I just want to leave a comment on that (of course, this is not going against your opinion smalgal ): I´m not really into TW as well, just because of the one fact that Ißm using my note on smaller DPI settings, where TW really doesn´t make sense anymore.
But beside that I want to get the facts straight (at least imao): TW is far from being laggy or a UI disaster. Quite the opposite: It seems like TouchWiz is by far the most stable launcher I ever came across. I have used a tons of devices now, including the mighty SGSII (which was the fastest till today). And even though Go Launcher Ex, Apex Launcher (on ICS) and a bunch of other good launchers are fast as well, none of them gives me the same stability and reliability like TouchWiz does.
Fastest wakeup from standby, absolutely NO launcher crash, absolutely NO launcher reload, nothing...just working.
Of course, there are some things they really should FINALLY include like compatibility with lower DPI settings, personalized sort order in the drawer etc.
But laggy? Absolutely not.

I myself like the TW,here is what I am gonna do:Wait for the official ICS to be released,and after that will get the best custom ROM based on it with least bloatware,and flash.,of course will make sure that I test all of them first and get whatever suits me the best.
Thats what I did with my HD2,and PDA2K long time ago,and was very happy,on my HD2 I have chosen one of the least known ROMs but very light CleaNex STD,and couldnt be happier.
And plaease dont come out and advice me that that kind of ICS ROM already exists for the Note,this is a personal approach and I am willing to wait.

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I tested the Note in store before I brought it and it was terrible on the stock rom there, who knows why people would buy it...
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And yet you bought one!
So maybe a lot of us are expecting great things from devs and the ICS stock build when it eventually arrives!

"but I do miss the s-pen apps".
Well why not just flash a rom that supports them, try it out, see how you go! If you don't like it, just go back to stunner.
I'm using midnote1.0. I believe you can use alba aswell. S-pen apps are working very well. For me, ICS is a massive improvement on GB. Everything is working instantly, and properly too. It really makes a difference.

GAH. Comparing stock anything to an XDA custom Rom isn't fair for a start. Put the latest RocketROM GB v23 up against Stunner and we'll see a contest.

brooon said:
This is slightly OT now, but I just want to leave a comment on that (of course, this is not going against your opinion smalgal ): I´m not really into TW as well, just because of the one fact that Ißm using my note on smaller DPI settings, where TW really doesn´t make sense anymore.
But beside that I want to get the facts straight (at least imao): TW is far from being laggy or a UI disaster. Quite the opposite: It seems like TouchWiz is by far the most stable launcher I ever came across. I have used a tons of devices now, including the mighty SGSII (which was the fastest till today). And even though Go Launcher Ex, Apex Launcher (on ICS) and a bunch of other good launchers are fast as well, none of them gives me the same stability and reliability like TouchWiz does.
Fastest wakeup from standby, absolutely NO launcher crash, absolutely NO launcher reload, nothing...just working.
Of course, there are some things they really should FINALLY include like compatibility with lower DPI settings, personalized sort order in the drawer etc.
But laggy? Absolutely not.
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TW is not that ugly , and it's definitely not laggy at all ,like you mentioned it's actually the smoothest launcher of them all.
But to be honest ,TW on the note is not as smooth as TW on the SGS2 ,actually the whole stock experience is a lot less refined than the SGS2 ,the launcher tends to reload on the note when a heavy app is loaded ,and that never ever faced me on the SGS2 before.
and since the note's hardware is on par with the S2 ,I'm actually very excited to what improvements ICS will bring along , in comparision I wasn't excited at all for the S2 ICS update cause it was perfect as it is.
but That's not to say the note is a turd to begin with ,far from it actually.

No, you don´t mess with the bootloader by installing ICS stunner. If you mess up your Note, you can allways flash a stock rom through PC Odin and start over.
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Touchwiz is more than just a "launcher." It's a complete UI overlay...and it's ugly, and it's laggy. Maybe I didn't get the same phone everyone else did, no? Touchwiz launcher itself is clumsy and slow, and I personally think it's terrible. I don't know where you people getting off saying it's the best launcher you've ever used. Have you tried them all?

Nexus 4 Rom's vs TW and LG's UI

Hi, First of all I love pure stock and that Nexus gets all the updates first, and the Rom's our great Dev's create.
But with Nexus devices we only get ROM's that they all look the same Aosp,Aokp not counting the MiUi (which is the ugliest I have ever seen). Just look at the Galaxy Nexus Android development. They are all the same, and it gets boring.
With TW and LG or Sense we get mixture of Aosp CM Aokp mixture. Which means they have much more features mixed that Nexus will not get.
What you guy's think?

There was some sense and tw ROMs. If I'm correct they where really broken. There just wasn't much support no one wanted them. Making a ROM is a lot of work especially making a whole new ui work. If no one really wants it its pointless
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I am pretty sure I will go stock with apex launcher.
Actually 4.1 and 4.2 are really great os with a good amount of useful features. I don't know if I really "need" a custom Rom. Root will fit for me ...
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The only thing I would want of these ROMs would be features and apps, like for example, the HTC or Samsung cameras that take 99 pictures at ~6 pictures per second, take pictures while filming and have TONs of features. Stock camera always sucked and it's not the 4.2 update that will change things.
Trust me, you don't want the full Sense, TouchWiz, etc.
They break the Holo experience, slow down the device, make incompatibilities with some apps, etc.
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I will do what i normally do. Stock ROM (it will be fast enough anyway) and minimal applications. Makes it great for a balance of speed and battery life.
I hate all the Samsung applications and stuff like that which just slow down and drain battery on my Galaxy s3 and cm 10 is buggy as **** due to no support. Also the rom is themed like a kids playground and I have no idea why anyone would want a nature themed phone.
Anyway. Stock is how it is meant to be and the only real non-gimped option IMO.
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Discussion: TouchWiz 4.1.2 vs. Android 4.3

Hello.
I'm in the mood for some discussion. Currently waging which rom to install on my note 2, TouchWiz or latest android (4.3). How would you people rate a 4.1.2 rom built on correct sources against the latest version of Android? Performance, battery and user friendly wise.
Bring it on!
/pemell

I think I know where your going with this but it might turn into something bad. Like comparing roms I think is against the rules.
Comparing Touchwhiz to AOSP usually depends on the needs of user.
I prefer TW than AOSP for the note because if the note 2 pen and camera but hey to each their own!
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Which ROM even has 4.3 on the Note 2? CM? I've looked around a little bit but haven't really seen much information in regards to that.
edit: Got my own question answered, disregard this post, I suck at searching.

@jetbruceli it's not about comparison of roms, I would like to discuss platforms in regards of performance, battery and user friendly factors.
@Clyzm there is some, for exempel the unofficial builds of cm 10.2 and paranoid android.
I'm thinking that TouchWiz will serve me good battery wise. For you who currently runs this what is your battery % drain per hour?

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@jetbruceli it's not about comparison of roms, I would like to discuss platforms in regards of performance, battery and user friendly factors.
@Clyzm there is some, for exempel the unofficial builds of cm 10.2 and paranoid android.
I'm thinking that TouchWiz will serve me good battery wise. For you who currently runs this what is your battery % drain per hour?
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Yeah that's comparing ROms.
stock vs aosp. Then you will ask which one.
It's better to try on your own.
For Me stock odexed rooted with a lot of bloatware removed works the best
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It's not about comparison of roms, I would like to discuss platforms in regards of performance, battery and user friendly factors.
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There's not really a lot to discuss because the differences from 4.1>4.2>4.3 really aren't that earth shattering. Especially when you factor in Samsung's s/w modifications. Of the three, 4.1 is considered the most stable with 4.2 having a bunch of issues; some being corrected with 4.2.2 and others not (BT). 4.3 corrects the BT issue which Samsung had already fixed by using their own BT s/w in their 4.2.X ROMs.
Here's a summary of a great 4.1<>4.2 comparison done by Android Authority. A lot of what they are describing doesn't really affect TW-based devices and is more aimed at Nexi users.
So many of the goodies that you love from Android 4.1 Jelly Bean have been carried over to Android 4.2 Jelly Bean. Most of the stock apps and widgets are similar in both Android versions. To the eyes, there’s no big change in Android 4.2 at all. But, some new significant features and some minor alterations make Android 4.2 sweeter and fun. Here is a brief list of new features from Android 4.2 Jelly Bean:
Support for multiple users (for Android tablets)
Multiple lockscreen pages with widgets Wireless display
Revamped Camera app Photo Sphere HDR Mode (for supported devices)
New Clock app Quick Settings pull-down menu Daydream Gesture typing
Additional options in Developer Options
Magnification Gestures and Explore by Touch accessibility features
Security enhancements
UI design changes
Placed side by side, Android 4.2 Jelly Bean shows a slightly modified and slightly upgraded version of Android 4.1 Jelly Bean.
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-4-1-vs-android-4-2-jelly-bean-149740/​
As for 4.2>4.3 the changes are even fewer.
http://www.android.com/about/jelly-bean/
4.1 is as solid as a rock on the N2 and the new features in 4.2/4.3 are either not that significant or wouldn't apply to a TW-enabled device. I'm looking forward to 4.2/4.3 (supposedly Samsung's skipping 4.2) coming to the N2 primarily to get some of Samsung's "S" additions that were introduced on the SGS4. But I’ll probably get a N3 which will most likely be on 4.3 before the N2 gets upgraded. Of the native Google features the one I'm most interested in is the more flexible lock screen with widget capabilities. Now that Android is mature the days of radically new versions coming out multiple times a year are pretty much over. 4.1 was introduced in June 2012 and here it is August 2013 and the evolution across 4.1/4.2/4.3 is pretty minor.

Some like the Touchwiz functionalities and it supports multi window and s- features. AOSP has other stuffs. basically depends on what u want and what you like

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Some like the Touchwiz functionalities and it supports multi window and s- features. AOSP has other stuffs. basically depends on what u want and what you like
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Well I just flashed cm10.1 nightlies and found it super smooth and very well bare for the most part.
Like it felt stripped to the core but super fast and there was no real complaint on my part. You end up with more memory to use and of course it's almost pure stock android with some tweaks. I especially like the blue halo theme!
Now back to Touchwhiz I found myself loving it more than AOSP mainly for this device.
Having s pen related apps and gestures makes it an easy choice. We have pop note and other goodies from the pen.
Air gesture and even without the pen we have built in features like multiwindow and a much better camera experience.
Over all I think when we get 4.3 Touchwhiz, most of the other than users of aosp will switch!
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I like the ProBam ROM, the s-pen features work and it has lots of free RAM. with all apps running the ram usage is around 1.2gb used
jetbruceli said:
Well I just flashed cm10.1 nightlies and found it super smooth and very well bare for the most part.
Like it felt stripped to the core but super fast and there was no real complaint on my part. You end up with more memory to use and of course it's almost pure stock android with some tweaks. I especially like the blue halo theme!
Now back to Touchwhiz I found myself loving it more than AOSP mainly for this device.
Having s pen related apps and gestures makes it an easy choice. We have pop note and other goodies from the pen.
Air gesture and even without the pen we have built in features like multiwindow and a much better camera experience.
Over all I think when we get 4.3 Touchwhiz, most of the other than users of aosp will switch!
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I like the ProBam ROM, the s-pen features work and it has lots of free RAM. with all apps running the ram usage is around 1.2gb used
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Plus with Odexed TW, I believe in my OPINION, that's its the smoothest experience!
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Plus with Odexed TW, I believe in my OPINION, that's its the smoothest experience!
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Can't say I tried ROMs for Samsung, but while I had HTC I did flash a lot - since DHD wasn't getting JB and I experimented a lot with JB ROMS. IMHO, all the "smoothest experience" stuff and how this ROM is better than the other is ONLY due to the fact that when you flash it - your phone is EMPTY. This is also the fact when we buy our phones and we go ooooohh and aaaahhh, how smooth it is. Then, after few months, we fill 'em up with al sorts of widgets and background running processes and they're not so smooth anymore. IMHO, no matter what ROM you use, the performance will always be the same, no matter what. OK, it might be slightly better or worse, but so little that you won't be able to tell. That's why I use stock ROM, since it has most functionality. I just know ANY ROM will be slow after x months of use....

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Can't say I tried ROMs for Samsung, but while I had HTC I did flash a lot - since DHD wasn't getting JB and I experimented a lot with JB ROMS. IMHO, all the "smoothest experience" stuff and how this ROM is better than the other is ONLY due to the fact that when you flash it - your phone is EMPTY. This is also the fact when we buy our phones and we go ooooohh and aaaahhh, how smooth it is. Then, after few months, we fill 'em up with al sorts of widgets and background running processes and they're not so smooth anymore. IMHO, no matter what ROM you use, the performance will always be the same, no matter what. OK, it might be slightly better or worse, but so little that you won't be able to tell. That's why I use stock ROM, since it has most functionality. I just know ANY ROM will be slow after x months of use....
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Well that's why when I flash a new ROM. I wait a day after to determine the speed and stability.
Anyone can say this or that about a ROM or system but in the end its about the user. And I use my device like no other. So performance and stability are the main factors for me!!
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I'm also a big fan of stock, rooted. Custom roms are fun and all yet there are times where you will hit issues because the Dev made a mistake or a change inadvertently affected something else. In my experience the improvements in battery life are negligible at best and at the end of the day I need my phone to be reliable. My latest experience with a custom rom has me with a phone which won't wake from deep sleep if I put it in airplane mode. I'm just waiting to get back home from a business trip and then the first thing I'll be doing is reverting my phone to stock. The last thing I need is a phone which randomly dies in my when I'm away from my laptop and regular access to a high speed Internet connection. These days I'm able to travel light. Besides clothes a note 2 and a note 8 are all I need to get things done but they must be reliable above all else.
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If you have been on 4.2.2 on an S4 u would not expect to see much other differences on the android front except added security. Whatever goodies samsung adds to the note 3 I would expect to see on the note two update. Therefore we will know nothing until September October.
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I'm running unofficial Cyanogenmod 4.3 on my N7105 and must say it's suprisingly stable. Of course there is a long way to go before it can serve as a daily driver, but it's amazing these guys can do so much in such a short time.

Apart some issues with camera , the cm 10.2 is really smooth and battery life is very ok for me.

Comparing Lollipop vs Kitkat

Give me your thoughts about your experience with Lollipop and KitKat.
What did you liked the best and why?
Which felt for you the most fluid?
Personally I've still questions about the fluidness on LP comparing to KK.

Anyone who thinks KK is smoother, snappier?
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You know, why don't you figure out what you like best rather than ask a bunch of random people.
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I find jelly bean to be more similar to lollipop than kitkat. In terms of battery life and snappiness.
Kitkat was like windows vista. A non refined stepping stone.
Thanks to devs it became usable at some point but lollipop and jellybean are both fantastic out of the box.

I think KK does feel a bit snappier in some parts of the UI, but the overall smoothness and logical flow in the user experience is miles ahead in LP (and the new design plays a key role)
After months of LP I tried rolling back to KK two days ago just to see how it would go and, well, I reflashed LP like 24 hrs later. It may not feel like a great deal when you first boot it but after some months and this episode I can say that the overall experience is far superior except for one thing: we want the feckin LED to blink in priority/none!
Techie wise, performance is superior to 4.x in pretty much every aspect and battery life isn't going to let you down, especially if you resort to the new Battery Saver

lollipop is definitely faster