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Custom ROMs - - Sense or AOSP? What's your poison?

Firstly let me just as I give a MASSIVE congratulations to the guys in #g2root for all their hard work in achieving permanent root. I'm not going to lie, I thought Christmas time was an achievable target when it came to breaking the eMMC lockdown on the G2 and DHD but to do it in early November? (applause)
Anyway, my Black Ops addiction forces me to keep this short and sweet, as time is of the essence and I must earn some COD Points before work!
My question is, when we start seeing custom ROMs, will you be sticking with Sense or moving to an AOSP ROM? I'm interested in your reasons and also wondering whether there are any users who were fans of AOSP (Stock Android) and have been converted by the new and improved HTC Sense 'experience'?
Things to consider are speed, functionality, looks etc.
I'll weigh in with my opinion later on.
Please don't start flaming each other and turn this into some kind of epic fight between the OS and it's illegitimate shell UI of a child!
They both have pro's and con's.
Regards.

I much prefer stock android. Sense is nice, but i just don't really like the look of the dock (even though you can change it). Stock android with the transparent dock at the bottom, and all fancy animations for opening/closing apps, keyboard sliding up etc just looks awesome!
Also gingerbread im sure will probably have more eye candy, but again HTC might cut these from their roms. So i'll be sticking with stock. Cyanogen maybe..

No I couldnt get to grips with sense it looks really flash, but maybe it's because i came from the Magic that the system overhead of running all the ui effects worries me, so I have disabled it all and am waiting on Cyanogen

What counts more?
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!

After coming from the Hero and the amazing FroydVillain 1.5. I cannot wait for Hacre to start cooking ROMs for the DHD. So my choice is firmly in the AOSP camp.

Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
Only phone ive loaded custom roms on before was my htc hero but that was because it fixed a message notification problem.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.

bratfink said:
To me its not the UI that counts but the android version, in other words if i had a choice of CM 6.1 or my current sense rom id go for sense. Don't get me wrong CM is amazing but both being 2.2 id rather take the extra functionality, looks and ease of use of the new Sense roms than an AOSP build. However if i had the choice of CM 7.0 (ie gingerbread) or sticking with sense 2.2 i would move over to AOSP without a second thought!
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost

i prefer aosp clean roms,i always used to have aosp cooked roms on my ex-desire and looking forward for aosp roms on dhd

Bring the AOSP roms on !!!

Yes..
ghostofcain said:
Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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Im fully aware of the benefits of CM but being mostly a business user the utility i gain from sense is far greater than on AOSP, however the geek in me just cannot live with not having the latest and greatest OS. Simple as that.

Given the choice of a same version Sense UI and a CM ROM I'd likely stick with the Sense UI version. There is a lot more integration than normal flavour ROMs offer and it's one of the reasons HTC have been praised. Small touches like basic Facebore and Twatter integration without needing an app specific to them is nice, as it the browsing of Facebork photo albums as if they're on your device.
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Sorry, surely Cyanogen adds functionality, or did I miss something? Yes you'll lose the SENSE skin but I'd be surprised if any real functionality is lost
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It depends on what you call real functionality. As I just said above I love the extra touches that Sense UI has such as the Facebork photo albums, cross-account linking with updates from social networks in their contact profile on your phone and for me the best implementation of copy and paste outside of iOS. It's basic things, not massively important but those touches are missing from stock Android.

skimminstones said:
Unless a custom rom offers something i dont have ill stick with sense. I like it graphically and much prefer htcs widgets.
So far ive no issues with my DHD so see no reason at the moment for a custom rom.
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me too, i completely agree

I'm really torn between HTC Sense & AOSP. There are positive things for both, as this phone was supplied with android 2.1 and HTC Sense. So for me my first introduction to android was via the Sense UI so once I had rooted the phone and applied s-off I was keen to see what was difference for the user interface (ease of use) and to compare the battery life etc. I'm currently using cyanogen nightly builds, and I'm most impressed with its performance, I do miss some of the HTC widgets, but I get by! now for me my comparison between the two is like comparing kde vs gnome!
Currently my preference is with AOSP, but only by a slim margin as to some degree Sense is (for first time use) easier, but is quite taxing on CPU...
so there's my 2 cents worth!
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

AOSP !!!
I dont use any Sense widgets. I prefer the speed in a Senseless ROM

I prefer Sense ROM most of the time.. i will try to play around with AOSP once in a while but when a higher version of android is out but still no official sense rom is out yet, AOSP is a must.. this applies to Gingerbread and higher xD

How about that sense browser with the translate feature on long press, can't get that anywhere but sense, and LPP has similar widgets
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I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works. Coming from WM6.5 it's such a breath of fresh air to just have a phone that does what it's supposed to when you want it to.
I have a Kaiser flashed with CM6 and a Rhodium with AOSP if I ever want to play with that, but right now I just want a seamless environment, and Sense seems to provide that for me quite nicely.

Sense without any doubt!! The only setting I would choose AOSP is if Gingerbread comes out before an official Htc rom with Sense, as said by many. That would be the only scenario I would choose that, and then decide what to do if/when Htc comes to the upper Android version too. I really feel good with Sense, love it!

I'llstick to the first Sense rom "without all the Sense crap" I will see. Why?
The sense phone dialer is unbeatable, so useful! I don't need the clock, Fancy widget takes care of this. I don't need the news and weather stuff and all Sense crap, but because of the dialer, the contacts management AND the music interaface, it's worth having. In the Desire Android development thread, there was 1 rom like this, but I stuck with a AOSP rom because it was better. This sense rom was ok, but still, too many crap in it. The AOSP was ok, but with an update almost everyday, I could merely keep up. So I gave up and sold my Desire. Now I'm back again on the Android scene, let's see what it brings.
BIG THANKS AND RESPECT TO THE G2 TEAM WHO MADE A DESIRE COME TRUE!!!
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dazultra2000 said:
I'll be sticking with Sense, at least for a while anyway (until I get bored!).
It's nice to have something that just works.
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yep, i agree, im not bored with it yet and it works - no reason to change

Cyanogen vs Virtuous

Just wondering what your thoughts are. I like them both, so hopefully you can all help me make a decision.
Notes:
*if option to customize lock screen exists, HUGE plus
*I'll probably overclock / use SetCPU, so good balance of performance / battery is huge for me.
Duke it out!

I've had experience with both, virtuous is nice but CM is so much faster. It is also nice to have Android the way it was meant to be and not some companies highly modded version.
Sense uses quite a lot of memory whereas CM does not and this makes a big difference with how responsive your phone can be.

I've been using CM 7.0 Nightlies for quite a while now and the speed is awesome, plus I also like the fact that it's Android the way it should be. Battery is great for me with Cyanogen as well, about 26-30 hours with average usage (stock battery).

Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
One example would be facebook linking to your contacts. I hate seeing a generic photo when I get calls and would rather see the picture of the person calling. Having this kind of assumed integration is great. Other features like the dialer, working GPS and rmk's other small tweaks (see: Virtuous advanced kernel for use with SetCPU) make the Sense experience that much better.
On the otherhand, AOSP or CM versions of android are much lighter as they dont have the kind of assumptions and integrations of a Sense-based rom. Being highly customizable, you can implement different launchers, skins, lock screens, docks, etc.. but I did find myself cursing at some points because I am just a Sense kind of guy deep inside.
It really comes down to personal preference. Try them both for a week and see how you feel about them. Alot of people have been saying Virtuous is laggy, but I have not seen any of that lag. As with all flashes, clear data, cache, battery and davlik through recovery! Have fun and i hope you find the rom that fits you.
Sent from my Virtuous Desire Z 1.0.1 using XDA App

Athrun88 said:
Having had experience with Cyanogen-based ROMs on my previous Hero and Virtuous on my current DZ, i am actually torn. For me, personally, I would have to give the edge to Virtuous. Having the wide customizability of CM was great and having LauncherPRO was so flexible. That being said, however, I like how HTC's Sense just gets you and assumes many of the things you would like to do instead of you doing it yourself.
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Sense is definitely nice, and it's something that easily sets HTC devices apart from the pack. That being said, I'm much more of an AOSP kind of guy, because as nice and pretty as Sense is, it just takes up too much RAM for my liking, and the launcher is just not customizable enough for me. Having only 3 buttons at the bottom absolutely drives me nuts; I've got to have the scrolling bottom row like Go Launcher and Launcher Pro provide. Obviously you can use these on a Sense rom, but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher? For me it boils down to this, and I'm sure the many other features that Cyanogenmod has that I use on a daily basis. I haven't used Virtuous since I got the phone in October, so I'm sure there's more stuff on it now than before, but I'm definitely a Cyanogenmod kind of guy. Plus there are roms based off Cyanogen, like Mexdroid, that add all kinds of pretty and additional functionality that I like.

Gwanatu said:
but what's the point in having a Sense rom when you don't use the Sense launcher?
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The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.

For a daily, I would pick CM7 since it's quick and I'm pretty much guaranteed a full day of usage no matter what.
Virtuous, Sense, is nice and all, but the lag is a deal breaker for me. The only perks I see from Sense is the refined UI and better FaceBook integration, other than that, I don't really need it. And the battery life on Sense roms seems to be half of what I get on CM7.
CM7, stock android, is catching up though, with Gingerbread the UI has been given a cleaner look and my contacts do sync with FaceBook, but every now and then I'll have a duplicate contact, which in Sense it would allow me to link the two together. The only problem I would see with CM7 would be all of the customization options. I'd say that I'm an above average Android user, but all of the options I have available to me to customize the phone look is a bit overwhelming, in my opinion. It takes me a good hour or two to get the phone set up in a way I prefer, whereas Sense kind of has it's settings put in such a way that creates a better user experience.
So as I said before, CM7 would be my preferred ROM since when I do get it set up the way I want, the phone is easy to use and everything is quickly accessible to me. Virtuous, as nice as it is, is just a bit too slow and too much of a battery drainer for me to use it every day.

redpoint73 said:
The HTC camera app is far better than on CM, and the camera button does not lag like it does on CM. And I'm not completely sure about this (and haven't really seen it discussed here much), but it seems the Sense based ROMs have more/better hardware codecs for playback of a wider variety of videos without lag or sync issues. Also, the Sense fastboot feature is pretty nice if you have to turn off/on your phone frequently (which I do, due to frequent air travel).
I haven't given the latest and greatest CM7 versions a test drive yet, but I tried RC1 and RC2, and there were still enough bugs (GPS, video camera playback) to turn me off. I might wait until Gingerbread is officially released for our hardware before trying a GB ROM again.
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So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL

Bloodlvst said:
As a side note, can anyone tell me if CM has some sort of Facebook-to-Contact link like Sense? And if so, is it actually nice and doesn't load my entire phone app full of people I will never ever call? LoL
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There is an app called contapps or something like that on market that has similar facebook to contact integration.
Speed = CM or CM based (GingerVillian)
Ease of use = Sense based (Virtuous)
It is really boiling down to personal preference. I did find myself jumping between AOSP and Sense before but could never really shake my love for Sense. The slight bloat and 0.001% lag that i experience is a good price to pay . I hope you find the rom that fits you, whatever that may be
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Bloodlvst said:
So what about using CM6? Isn't that a Froyo build?
If so, is it just lacking in features compared to the Gingerbread builds?
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Yep, pretty much. CM6 is very stable. But for me, if you're going to go Froyo, you may as well go Sense. I like the extra features, and you can use an alternative launcher, since the lag on the Sense ROMs is mostly when using the stock launcher, IMO. And I didn't seem to experience any worse battery life with Sense ROMs versus CM7, like a previous user mentioned. But I didn't stay on CM6 long enough to compare battery life. Plus, the theming aesthetics of the Sense ROM and Gingerbread are nicer than Froyo, in my personal taste.

Actually there is also a sense gingerbread out accurately named 'senseginger' made by teamvillain aswell. It is very good. It is the middleground of froyo sense and stock gingerbread.
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CM is a lot smoother and simple.
The sense part on Virtuous takes up toooo much memory and slows the phone down, but the widgets are nice.

Android always comes down to user preference. You want a suggestion? Try both. And give it a good week. Even if you HATE it at first, give it a good while before deciding against it. You may find that once little aspect that will keep you from ever changing.

Me personally, I like CM7 over any sense based rom hands down. With the new gingerbread based cm7 I can easily link all of my facebook contacts with the ones in my contact list. If at first the picture doesn't show up, make sure you have the facebook app to sync all and then just long press your contact and join it to the facebook one. Boom, instant gratification. I personally rely on my ram being free, and the ability to overclock smoothly for playing ps one emulators. SetCpu has been known to cause glitches in cm7 for underclocking or overclocking too much, but as long as you do a minimal amount of research for your setup, it is easily avoided. As some others previously stated, it's all dependant on your preference and what you use your phone for. Try them both for a week at least, then decide, that's the best advice I could give
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My first experience with a ROM was CM7 RC1-4 and a few days ago I was bored and installed Virtuous and it's not bad but I definitely prefer CM7, it's way faster and smoother. The main reason I got the G2 was because it's Vanilla Android and CM7 has it all!
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Main question: do you like Sense or no? I've tried miui, virtuous, gb sense, etc. I always go back to cm7. Just smoother.
Virtuous (and all sense roms I've tried) send blurry MMSs as well.
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I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!

mattew83 said:
I like sense so i have virtuos, cm7 has too many bugs for me, maybe the last release is better!
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What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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joe3681 said:
What kind of bugs? I haven't found any.
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On Camcorder, taking a video landscape, then trying to playback in portrait mode results in the screen showing white and blue lines. Same with taking the video in portrait and trying to playback while in landscape mode.
Also, there is a Gmail margin problem. And there is a decent amount of people with non-GPS (although probably most CM users are fine on this).
But similar to the previous response, I have not tried the more recent CM releases, to see if these were fixed.

As others have said, it comes down to personal preferences. I've come to like Sense recently and am really liking the amazing standby times I've been getting with Virtuous, so I'm sticking with that for a bit. After a couple releases I may look into CM7 again, though, since I miss the customizable automatic brightness levels it has (a little feature that is a big deal to me).

What to use as my daily driver?

i currently have sense 3.0 (vie evil Dees virtuous fusion) and CM7 installed on my mytouch, im not sure which to use as my daily driver, sense 3.0 is super cool and i love the lockscreen features but it uses SOO much ram, cm7 is also duper customizable and saves a butt load of battery life. just need some advice, thanks in advance

I ran iced glacier and royal glacier as they were very stable. But now I'm running faux's AOSP Tom and its my favorite so far. Everything works and its super stable.
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If you like asop nothings faster than Royal Ginger.

It's totally up to your preference. And it shouldn't be affected by RAM consumption - I can't remember how many times it was already said, let Android manage the RAM and stop looking at a number that won't give you absolutely anything, because you don't understand how Android RAM management works.
Personally, I believe Sense got it much better than pure AOSP/CM Android.
AOSP drawbacks:
Dialer is awful (can be fixed by DialerOne, but it's not a proper integration and has annoying quirks + slowness).
Mail is absolutely awful, and Exchange integration is generally bad (you can't pull phone contacts from corporate directory, for example).
Lockscreen isn't very functional (even CM-customized version isn't as useful as Sense 3.0 one, and definitely not as pretty).
Default widgets suck, and LauncherPro Plus costs money.
Probably forgot another couple of things - haven't been using AOSP for a LONG time.
But - there are people that these points don't matter for them, and they prefer the stock feeling. If you're one of them - then go for CM7. Choice is wonderful.

Jack_R1 said:
It's totally up to your preference. And it shouldn't be affected by RAM consumption - I can't remember how many times it was already said, let Android manage the RAM and stop looking at a number that won't give you absolutely anything, because you don't understand how Android RAM management works.
Personally, I believe Sense got it much better than pure AOSP/CM Android.
AOSP drawbacks:
Dialer is awful (can be fixed by DialerOne, but it's not a proper integration and has annoying quirks + slowness).
Mail is absolutely awful, and Exchange integration is generally bad (you can't pull phone contacts from corporate directory, for example).
Lockscreen isn't very functional (even CM-customized version isn't as useful as Sense 3.0 one, and definitely not as pretty).
Default widgets suck, and LauncherPro Plus costs money.
Probably forgot another couple of things - haven't been using AOSP for a LONG time.
But - there are people that these points don't matter for them, and they prefer the stock feeling. If you're one of them - then go for CM7. Choice is wonderful.
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some facts are true here but SENSE compared to CM/AOSP on speed, CM IS WAY FASTER....

bstylz911 said:
some facts are true here but SENSE compared to CM/AOSP on speed, CM IS WAY FASTER....
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No, not really.
When you open Dialer One on CM vs opening Sense dialer, the last one loads equally fast, but has all the pictures in place, and everything flows - while on Dialer One it doesn't.
The same with mail. And you can even zoom in/out in mail on Sense. Try that on CM.
The Sense launcher swipes just fine, and there's no custom launcher that can execute the 7 screen preview like the Sense launcher - when the zoom out is controlled completely by your fingers, and not by launcher presets.
When you open the app, the normal opening delay is insignificant on both.
So, where exactly CM is faster? In benchmarks? I could't care less about the meaningless numbers.

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No, not really.
When you open Dialer One on CM vs opening Sense dialer, the last one loads equally fast, but has all the pictures in place, and everything flows - while on Dialer One it doesn't.
The same with mail.
The launcher swipes fine, and there's no custom launcher that can execute the 7 screen preview like the Sense launcher - when the zoom out is controlled completely by your fingers, and not by launcher presets.
When you open the app, the normal opening delay is insignificant on both.
So, where exactly CM is faster? In benchmarks? I could't care less about the meaningless numbers.
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opening settings, programs it loads faster.

No, it doesn't. And where it does - I'm willing to pay the extra 1/10 second of loading for the quality of user experience.
This whole "CM/AOSP is faster" thing needs to be put in perspective.

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No, it doesn't. And where it does - I'm willing to pay the extra 1/10 second of loading for the quality of user experience.
This whole "CM/AOSP is faster" thing needs to be put in perspective.
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and also, my phone would get laggy when using sense ROYAL PANACHE making me reboot my phone sometimes. and yes i have advance task manager to close my apps.
only thing i like about SENSE is the CAMERA.

Blame your task manager, the apps, the ROM. Sense has nothing to do with quirks that come as a result of porting ROMs with Sense from other phones. My wife runs almost original Sense, my friends run original Sense on their phones, not even one complains about lags. More, I'm not even sure my wife knows how to reboot her phone - I don't think she ever did.
And I didn't even start talking about CM bugs. Till 7.0.2 it was a disaster. I originally switched to Sense on Nexus because I wanted cut&paste, but didn't want the load of bugs that came with Gingerbread, and I was already frustrated by CM7 that had me rebooting more than once a day.
So, as I said earlier, choice is bliss. You can run CM/AOSP, I'll run Sense, someone will run MySense, and we'll all be happy. Just don't try to convince that your choice is the best - each has its pros and cons.

Your favorite / the best roms.

Rate from 1-10 in terms of:
Looks:
Speed:
Battery Life:
Stabability:

Any rom developed by aamikam
Looks:10(sense is so pretty)
Speed:7(Sense is a bit slower than aosp)
Battery:10(Sense gives me the best battery life i have ever seen on my phone)
Stability:10(everything always works)
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Currently my favorite ROM is MIUI. It's so much different than any other ROM and there's a ton of customization.
Looks: easy 10
Speed: not the fastest ROM but quick. I'll give it an 8
Battery life: easy 10. I get the better battery life than any other ROM
Stability: 8 - depends on the build but all in all pretty stable.
Sent from Gingerbread Speedy 4G

man its all really personal opinion but ill give it my best review seeing as how ive used all of the ones that are available for the shift "i think"
AOSP ROMS: CM7 (Cyanogenmod 7) and Shift Deck
AOSP DEFINITION:Stock Pure Google Android. doesnt get much simpler than that.
Shift Deck: This is about as AOSP as it gets its pure stock android (think of a nexus S) Shift Deck like most AOSP roms gives great battery life. I find making it a little over a day not very hard with quite some usuage. The speed is very slick too.
My rating
Looks:7 (an opinated question)
Speed:10
Battery Life:9
Stability: 10
Features: 6
CM7: This is AOSP with a lot of different features inside of it that are hard to go through all of them. but basically if you like the look of AOSP but want more customization options and features CM7 is a great way to go
My Rating
Looks: 7
Speed 10
Battery Life:9
Stability: 8.5(only because its still in nightly builds and there are a few problems)
Features:8 (more than stock AOSP and some good ones at that)
Evervolv: Think of Shift Deck with a different stock launcher. Its codenamed Creo and has a couple different features. for that purpose to me it recieves the same score as Shift Deck
SENSE ROMS
Sense in general is what the shift comes stock with. An overlay on android made by HTC to bring further customization for the purpose of length i will not include Stock Sense 2.1
Sense 3.0 Kingdom Port: This is a full Sense 3.0 port for the evo shift its elegant and sexy and jam packed with customization. Now HTC did state Sense 3.0 would only work on NEWER devices and it does show in the port. on a stock kernel it does get really laggy with memory issues.
MY rating
Looks:9.5( i dont give looks a 10 because it sort of opiniated)
Speed:5 (it works but to me unusable)
Battery Life:7 (the port defeinently takes a toll on the battery
Features: 10
Stability: 4
MikShift-G Sense 2.1+3.0: This is based off Sense 2.1 with 3.0 features added into it. Personally this is one of my favorites. Its got a great mix of 3.0 features so you dont feel left behind and out of date and with aamikams optimizing it runs beautifully. I dont notice lag per say but there are a couple times things take just a tad bit longer to load. Added Sense 3.0 Features Include -Lockscreen,Weather,Messaging, Task Manager, and probably a couple others im forgetting
Looks:9.1 (lol)
Speed.9.5
Battery Life:9 (As good or sometimes better than AOSP)
Features:9
Stability: 9.9 (even the beta was fantastic only one KB light problem that is still in the official build)
SupremeSense 2.1+3.0. So you like the sound of Mikshift-G but you miss that 3D rosie and 3D widgets from Sense 3.0? Well here you go. SupremeSense is based off Mikshift-G but with a couple nice features Including 3D Sense 3.0 Launcher, and Darktremmors A2SD. This is a little bit more memory heavy so there is some lag but definently still usable
Looks:9.4
Speed:8.5
Battery Life:9 (same as Mikshift-G)
Features: 9.2
Stability:9
MIUI ROMS
We have a few miui ports and there basically the same just newer versions so im just going to review miui in general
MIUI (I think its said like "MY-U-I") is very umm "different" or in alot of ways its not different. if you have ever used or seen an iphone then you have a sense (no pun intended) of what the MIUI launcher is like. Its based of of AOSP but it doesnt look like it. It has an iOS type feel to it. It has no app drawer all your icons are on the homescreens and you scroll left and right through them. you have the ability to make folders like in iOS which seems to be an essential part in MIUI. You have a lockscreen sort of like Sense 1.0-2.1.
Its got a different way of handling text messages. and menu systems and the whole UI of the phone has its own unique feel that you have to try out to completley understand. MIUI currently does not support 4G so if you use it your SOL. but it is definently worth checking out
It does run across MMS issues sometimes too. Miui has its own personal theme manager that will theme anything from sounds to design asthetics to bootanimations, and lockscreens including options for sense 3.0 type lockscreens. its a very complete theming process. Think of it as HTC Hub on Steroids.
My Rating:
Look:8.9(once again opiniated question)
Speed:9 (generally very slick)
Battery Life:9 (AOSP like Battery Life)
Stability: 7.5 (this is miui's lowest point)
Features. 9 (its very unique in features)
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I believe i have covered every ROM in our development section please let me know if i forgot any

Thanks for the overview notsointeresting!
Evo SHIFT

Enraged21 said:
Thanks for the overview notsointeresting!
Evo SHIFT
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No problem just trying to help
and since i flash anything that has the term "flashable" in its name i thought i might as well lol

yes thanks a bunch man. covered everything lol

Lol. Your overview made me wanna tried out mik mik rom. Never tried it before, but I never was a sense type of person.
Evo SHIFT

Enraged21 said:
Lol. Your overview made me wanna tried out mik mik rom. Never tried it before, but I never was a sense type of person.
Evo SHIFT
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Its an outstanding ROM. but if you just dont like the design asthetics of sense then no you wont like it.
but all the problems people say they have with sense is eliminated in the rom
I am running Supreme Sense which is based of Mikshift-G (as i said in the review lol) and at 72% battery life i am going 8 hours and 8 min (reading it off my phone as i type) with wifi going the whole time, gps, lots of texts a few voice calls and LOTS of web browsing.
The lag people expierence with sense is compltley gone it runs great and smooth just as fast as AOSP. Some apps may take half a second more to load tho
and you gotta love the sense 3 lockscreen haha

Thanks notsointeresting, I just got this phone and have been wondering what way I wanted to go on it in terms of what rom to put on it. I am coming from a Samsung Transform so almost any rom is going to run faster and smoother then the best rom and kernal package could give me on the transform. Based on your review I am trying the MikShift-G Sense 1.4 so far so good really enjoy the sense feel and look. Thinking of trying Supreme Sense but would like to find a video of it before going through the trouble of downloading it and setting it up.
Not to hijack the thread but could you tell me even in a PM your review of kernals available?

saiyandide said:
Thanks notsointeresting, I just got this phone and have been wondering what way I wanted to go on it in terms of what rom to put on it. I am coming from a Samsung Transform so almost any rom is going to run faster and smoother then the best rom and kernal package could give me on the transform. Based on your review I am trying the MikShift-G Sense 1.4 so far so good really enjoy the sense feel and look. Thinking of trying Supreme Sense but would like to find a video of it before going through the trouble of downloading it and setting it up.
Not to hijack the thread but could you tell me even in a PM your review of kernals available?
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Believe me I would love to haha. But unless your on an AOSP rom your SOL (sadly out of luck haha) because HTC has not provided the source code for the evo shift yet so developers can not make kernels. It's a serious GPL violation an people (including me) have been sending tweets and posting on twitters face book wall saying something like ( @HTC We still need you to release the source code for the EVO Shift 4G #GPL #Android) they will have to release it soon though and I'm thinking when that time comes I might make a dedicated thread for kernel and roms and put my reviews and information on them and let people leave reviews or what not. But that would depend on if people where interested.
Also check out my EpicBlue theme for Milshift-G it finally supports 1.4

notsointeresting said:
Its an outstanding ROM. but if you just dont like the design asthetics of sense then no you wont like it.
but all the problems people say they have with sense is eliminated in the rom
I am running Supreme Sense which is based of Mikshift-G (as i said in the review lol) and at 72% battery life i am going 8 hours and 8 min (reading it off my phone as i type) with wifi going the whole time, gps, lots of texts a few voice calls and LOTS of web browsing.
The lag people expierence with sense is compltley gone it runs great and smooth just as fast as AOSP. Some apps may take half a second more to load tho
and you gotta love the sense 3 lockscreen haha
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You did leave out all the customizable lockscreens with miui, I have the sense 3 lockscreen as well running the latest miui.us.
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Rooster85 said:
You did leave out all the customizable lockscreens with miui, I have the sense 3 lockscreen as well running the latest miui.us.
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Not only lock screens but customizable notification bar, icons, boot animation and fonts. All easily customized from the theme manager.
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crump84 said:
Not only lock screens but customizable notification bar, icons, boot animation and fonts. All easily customized from the theme manager.
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I did not know the later versions had a sense 3 lockscreen? Is it a remake of it or is it a port of the exact one. I just ask so I can put it on my post.
And yes your right I did leave out theme manager for miui it does have a very simple way to download and use complete themes to change everything from sounds to looks to bootanimations.
Edit: I added that information in the first post I made. Thanks very much Rooster85 and Crump84

notsointeresting said:
I did not know the later versions had a sense 3 lockscreen? Is it a remake of it or is it a port of the exact one. I just ask so I can put it on my post.
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The Sense 3 lockscreen screen has to be added through the theme manager. There are threads dedicated to just miui lock screens, Sense 3 is just one of the many options.
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crump84 said:
The Sense 3 lockscreen screen has to be added through the theme manager. There are threads dedicated to just miui lock screens, Sense 3 is just one of the many options.
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Many thanks man.
The post has been updated with more accurate information
I have not flashed miui since 1.7.5 I think? And then went to mikshift-G and haven't tried anything since then but looks like I need to take a look at miui again

I would highly suggest it, it was 7.something where a lot of cool changes were made. I believe the sense lockscreen its a exact port or at least it looks EXACTLY the same as the mikshift [email protected]
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Rooster85 said:
I would highly suggest it, it was 7.something where a lot of cool changes were made. I believe the sense lockscreen its a exact port or at least it looks EXACTLY the same as the mikshift [email protected]
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MIUI is great and all I really like it. But until MIUI starts supporting 4G I can't use it for more than a couple hours to figure out all the features and what ill miss when I flash back.
I live in texas so its the one of the most heavily covered 4G areas (if not THE most heavily covered area) in the U.S so I need it
Edit: BTW OP I hope were not hijacking your thread here. We are talking about ROM's and our opinions so it shouldn't but were not exactly reviewing them so please let us know lol

notsointeresting said:
MIUI is great and all I really like it. But until MIUI starts supporting 4G I can't use it for more than a couple hours to figure out all the features and what ill miss when I flash back.
I live in texas so its the one of the most heavily covered 4G areas (if not THE most heavily covered area) in the U.S so I need it
Edit: BTW OP I hope were not hijacking your thread here. We are talking about ROM's and our opinions so it shouldn't but were not exactly reviewing them so please let us know lol
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Yeah, i hear ya on that... Without 4G I wouldn't have a cell phone... Where I live my 4G is sometimes worse than 3G speeds... My 3G is usually at 1x speeds and my talk varies... For all that I've tried Evervolv and it messed up my phone. Hated it. I currently use the Cyanogen Nightlies. They for me offer the best of everything. Speed, customization, battery life... With the theme chooser they can look basically how ever you want. With beautiful widgets you can get some sense like widgets and others. Many launcher options. I use ADW and its a perfect blend of stability and customization. I've heard very good things about Shift deck. In my opinion sense is super slow compared to AOSP. People have said that the Mikshift G runs like AOSP. But to me, i can see the difference. So I'm gonna vote for plain and simple cyanogen
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[Q] Sense 3.0 vs. Sense 3.5

I recently flashed my phone with Virtuous Unity, and I've been enjoying the features of Sense 3.0 compared to stock Sense 2.1 (especially the quick settings in the notification pulldown). However, I'm aware that this particular ROM has reached end-of-life...and there are a bunch of Sense 3.5-based ROMs available. I'm wondering what I could expect to gain from them (in general, not any particular ROM), and what (if anything) I'd lose in the transition.

Practically, except a newer look, you won't gain anything.
Cameras aren't perfect for both, and Doubleshot camera works fine on both.
Calendar on 3.5 doesn't look as well in month view, but it lost one of the bugs it had in VU (not in 3.0, since on my friend's stock Desire S with stock Sense 3.0 this bug doesn't happen), when working with Exchange Calendar. Quick Settings are a tiny bit better on 3.5.
Generally, no really good reason to upgrade.

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Generally, no really good reason to upgrade.
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In my opinion, the improved look of the navbar/dockbar in 3.5 alone is worth the upgrade.

Not much difference at all. You'll just be messing your front faced camera up of you use 3.5 as opposed to 3.0. (if you apply one of the fixes then you just add more bugs to your regular camera) If sense is what you like then stick with unity. It's at end of life because it's nearly perfect. Back up the rom and check for yourself. 3.5 it's okay but you may realize the bugs in the system or what new it offers isn't really worth the trouble.
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jayb222 said:
Not much difference at all. You'll just be messing your front faced camera up of you use 3.5 as opposed to 3.0.
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There's nothing wrong with the FFC on Sense 3.5. At least not on the RCMix ROM.

While I am not sure but it seems 3.5 is much more polished. I tried 3.0 but it didn't really wow me. In the sense 3.5 roms I have tried they all seem to have a tweaks under settings which makes it easy for you to change the statusbar and rosie. Also the widget Shortcuts is well worth getting 3.5 imho. Transitions also help a great deal. When going from portrait to landscape instead of a jagged transition it is a smooth rotation and makes the phone feel a lot smoother