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Overclocking >806?

Okay, so i was browsing through the results of the Antutu benchmarking application, and I saw this guy, he had a CPU freq of 844 freq. Is that even possible? Just wondering
for reference, hes number is 887243

It is possible, within 5 or 10 minutes. As soon as the run game, the phone goes to restart (((

PokMahPok said:
Okay, so i was browsing through the results of the Antutu benchmarking application, and I saw this guy, he had a CPU freq of 844 freq. Is that even possible? Just wondering
for reference, hes number is 887243
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Overclocking the phone to even 787Mhz makes it quite unstable. That's why clock speeds above 806Mhz are not included in most kernels...but even if you do somehow overclock to 844Mhz I don't think the phone would survive for more than 15- 30 mins not to mention lots of heating up. In short-such speeds are not feasible for daily usage
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otrazhenye said:
It is possible, within 5 or 10 minutes. As soon as the run game, the phone goes to restart (((
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> true.. 748 will be much stable.. mine can run 806.. but sometimes it reboot.. it can also handles 787.. except! when u play fruit ninja it crashes

PokMahPok said:
Okay, so i was browsing through the results of the Antutu benchmarking application, and I saw this guy, he had a CPU freq of 844 freq. Is that even possible? Just wondering
for reference, hes number is 887243
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I've overclocked upto 864(Franco's old kernels 19.4)etc they're outdated now! but just as others said my phone used to crash up in 10Mins or slow with misplaced screen!
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PokMahPok said:
Okay, so i was browsing through the results of the Antutu benchmarking application, and I saw this guy, he had a CPU freq of 844 freq. Is that even possible? Just wondering
for reference, hes number is 887243
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you meant this guy?
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Here im sharing to all LG P500 lovers my score when i once using Noejin's ROM
void #forever tested 2011 july 19. Wonderful work to the 3 equally unselfish modders having shared their work to us.
Now im testing DynamiteRom and trying to squeeze as much tweaks I can get from XDA, hopefully I be as successful as void #forever.
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you meant this guy?
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> if that what he was pointing out.. clearly the answer is there in the quoted sentences.

787
morph7777777 said:
Overclocking the phone to even 787Mhz makes it quite unstable. That's why clock speeds above 806Mhz are not included in most kernels...but even if you do somehow overclock to 844Mhz I don't think the phone would survive for more than 15- 30 mins not to mention lots of heating up. In short-such speeds are not feasible for daily usage
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lol my phone is stable at 787 and sometimes even 806 and it works AWESOME

opera38205 said:
lol my phone is stable at 787 and sometimes even 806 and it works AWESOME
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On which ROM, may I ask? And is it stable while playing ANY game?
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If he's really hardcore, maybe he opened it up and used a fan or something.

Like the other ones written bevor me. Overclocking the O1 above 786 Mhz are like Gambling. Every CPU are a litle bit Unique, so nobody knows what kind of Frequency youre once are able to handle.
For Exemple iam running myone stable @ 320/787. But every Step Higher will be results in FCs and Reboots.
So the only way to go is to OC youre Phone step by step to find out what kind of Frequency youre CPU can handle

I once accidentally left my phone on 787mhz performance after benchmarking, and after a few days my phone crashed and would not boot into android, scared the **** out of me, but after about 10 mins it was fine, i quickly found out why this happened after. Overclocking your phone to 787mhz adds a lot of extra heat to your phone, and unless you live in a freezer or Antarctica and never keep your phone in your pockets I would not recommend over-clocking it that high.
If your new to the whole overclocking things, youtube extreme overclockers and you will realise would needs to be done to cpus to overcome the excessive heat.

deniso177 said:
I once accidentally left my phone on 787mhz performance after benchmarking, and after a few days my phone crashed and would not boot into android, scared the **** out of me, but after about 10 mins it was fine, i quickly found out why this happened after. Overclocking your phone to 787mhz adds a lot of extra heat to your phone, and unless you live in a freezer or Antarctica and never keep your phone in your pockets I would not recommend over-clocking it that high.
If your new to the whole overclocking things, youtube extreme overclockers and you will realise would needs to be done to cpus to overcome the excessive heat.
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OTh lol i seen one of the videos, they overclock one pc so much they use liquid nitrogen to cool the pc itself.
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When I go beyond 800 system crashes and Phone restarts

In theory our CPU could be OC to max 878 MHz. But i never heard anyone get that freq.

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In theory our CPU could be OC to max 878 MHz. But i never heard anyone get that freq.
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yes it is possible. but the phone will heat up like mad.
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Mine runs stable at 806 in almost all ROMS i tried (except the ICS ones because it dosent have that frequency )

Yesterday I have overlooking to 806 and i have a black screen with message : arm6 crashed ...
Please reboot ...etc

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Yesterday I have overlooking to 806 and i have a black screen with message : arm6 crashed ...
Please reboot ...etc
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not all p500 are stable at 806mhz fyi.
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On which ROM, may I ask? And is it stable while playing ANY game?
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sometimes i go into the freezer (i have a really really big one) and OC my phone to 864 i get AMAZING benchmarks with gtr
usually my stable speed is 787 on new cm7 roms and 806 on mik's cm7 rom

[Q] Slow quadrant score?

Hi everyone!
Last night I was sitting with a friend of mine and tried to tell him that the Nexus 4 was faster than his Galaxy S3. He wanted to test it out and we both downloaded Quadrant Standard and ran the test...
Let's just say that I had to eat my words. I had a fresh install of CM10.1's latest nightly installed. The strange thing was that I was expecting the CPU to max out at 1500~MHz but it still stated 1100~ whilst the S3 was around 1400Mhz.
I went into the Performance menu and set it to PERFORMANCE but still the score was lower. My friend's S3 also had a custom ROM so was thinking that maybe the extra 1GB of RAM in the N4 may give a higher score.
What happened?

so because the s3 scores higher in quadrant, youre thinking that its a faster phone?

Quadrant scores literally mean nothing. You can't compare scores from different hardware on different versions of android running different rooms.
The s3 is a great all around performer that scores above average in all categories. The Nexus 4 scores higher in some categories (mostly hardware and software) but scores lower in others (camera, speaker)

thermal throttling

ZAnwar said:
Hi everyone!
Last night I was sitting with a friend of mine and tried to tell him that the Nexus 4 was faster than his Galaxy S3. He wanted to test it out and we both downloaded Quadrant Standard and ran the test...
Let's just say that I had to eat my words. I had a fresh install of CM10.1's latest nightly installed. The strange thing was that I was expecting the CPU to max out at 1500~MHz but it still stated 1100~ whilst the S3 was around 1400Mhz.
I went into the Performance menu and set it to PERFORMANCE but still the score was lower. My friend's S3 also had a custom ROM so was thinking that maybe the extra 1GB of RAM in the N4 may give a higher score.
What happened?
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The Nexus 4 has got some heavy thermal throttling problems, search for this term on these forums and you'll find plenty of info about it. Basically, the Nexus 4 is the only phone that is unable to keep running at the stated max clock frequenzy for more than ~5-10 minutes, because it would overheat. After a few minutes, it will throttle the performance. This is also the reason it sucks so hard on benchmarks, compared to other phones with exactly the same hardware.

IINexusII said:
so because the s3 scores higher in quadrant, youre thinking that its a faster phone?
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Not at all. I was just wondering what would cause the large discrepancy in the score.
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The Nexus 4 has got some heavy thermal throttling problems, search for this term on these forums and you'll find plenty of info about it. Basically, the Nexus 4 is the only phone that is unable to keep running at the stated max clock frequenzy for more than ~5-10 minutes, because it would overheat. After a few minutes, it will throttle the performance. This is also the reason it sucks so hard on benchmarks, compared to other phones with exactly the same hardware.
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I read a little bit about the throttling but didn't think that it was that prevalent.
Thanks for the info!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/3
check out the benchmarks here when anandtech put the N4 in a freezer. It tops every android phone on almost every test(and it still suffered from thermal throttling ). Any benchmark done for the browser will be slow bc chrome sucks for mobile phones. The AOSP browser will have higher results

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It does NOT throttle in quadrant ... It just sucks on android 4.2
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I watched it throughout the test ... It did NOT throttle and scored 4641
I noticed that it didn't use cores 3-4 in graphics tests however
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italia0101 said:
It does NOT throttle in quadrant ... It just sucks on android 4.2
I watched it throughout the test ... It did NOT throttle and scored 4641
I noticed that it didn't use cores 3-4 in graphics tests however
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It's not necessary to use CPU at full power for graphics tests. The GPU is what is put under stress.

How do you say
throughout the test ... It did NOT throttle and scored 4641
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thats called throttling

jeff5891 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6440/google-nexus-4-review/3
check out the benchmarks here when anandtech put the N4 in a freezer. It tops every android phone on almost every test(and it still suffered from thermal throttling ). Any benchmark done for the browser will be slow bc chrome sucks for mobile phones. The AOSP browser will have higher results
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Holy ****. That's incredibly... worrying. Like someone added a .5 to reference volts or something. It really shouldn't get that hot.
But also incredibly nice cause the scores as so tasty. For 2 minutes at a time. Imagine what its doing to the battery as well!
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No it isn't .. It doesn't use all the cores all the time for everything..
even if I fire up GTA 3 , straight away it isn't using all the cores, and in fact doesn't use cores 3 and 4 at any time in GTA3 , it isnt throttling here,
The only benchmark iv seen the Nexus 4 throttle on is glbenchmark when ALL the tests are ticked, which is like a 15-20 min test at full load
Dsmboost was correct in the previous post as well , hence why not all the cores are being used when in games.
Can pretty much bet anything that its not throttling in 1 run of quadrant ...
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italia0101 said:
No it isn't .. It doesn't use all the cores all the time for everything..
even if I fire up GTA 3 , straight away it isn't using all the cores, and in fact doesn't use cores 3 and 4 at any time in GTA3 , it isnt throttling here,
The only benchmark iv seen the Nexus 4 throttle on is glbenchmark when ALL the tests are ticked, which is like a 15-20 min test at full load
Dsmboost was correct in the previous post as well , hence why not all the cores are being used when in games.
Can pretty much bet anything that its not throttling in 1 run of quadrant ...
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As further evidence, I see no difference in frame rate when limiting my gs2's cpu at 800mhz vs 1.2ghz when playing graphically intense games.

Nexus 7 overheating when playing 3d games

Am I the only one having this issue? I'm not really much of a gamer, but I noticed playing zen bound 2 that it started to get really hot and Trinity kernel toolbox have me a temp alert. Eventually the thing just either reboots or freezes playing any game with decent graphics. Normally I have my nexus at 1.7 w/on demand governor but it still does the same thing at 1.2 GHz. I tried the omega kernel to see if that was an issue but still had the same result. I'm pretty sure this didn't happen until I updated to 4.2.2 but maybe I just didn't notice because as I said, I'm not much of a gamer.
Any suggestions? Am I the only one? It stays at normal temperatures otherwise.
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No, I would say that's pretty normal.

Seriously? Interesting. Well, I have plenty of other things to play games on. Oh well.
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Well think about it, it's not like the N7 has fans inside it pumping air. It's only a tablet. Extensive or graphic heavy gaming on any tablet will cause it to overheat.
Mine once overheated so much playing NFS that the glass actually separated from the bezel a little bit. The adhesive holding it down pretty much melted. I had to reheat it, clamp it down, and kinda melt it back into place.

No that's not normal. I've played games such as dead trigger, NFS most wanted, shadow gun deadzone, for literally up to 3 hours straight and don't have overheating issues. Sure the tablet warms up a little bit, but has never actually gotten hot to the touch.
I use stock kernel, but I've also used faux, omega 3 and Trinity. Didn't overheat on any of them. I also don't overclock as it's never made a difference I could see on any game.
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Mine gets super hot, just below too hot to touch occasionally. :l

Hmm I don't know why I'm having problems when you guys aren't then. I've tried it several times on 1.2 ghz (trinity and omega) but it still does it. It heats up the quickest playing zen bound it seems. What's the stock gpu clock? I just realized the GPU was set to 446 instead of 416 though, maybe that's the issue... Perhaps I'll try the faux kernel if it does it again. But basically after about 10-20 mins of zen bound it gets up to like 88 degrees or something (maybe hotter, I can't see the temp in game) and then freezes and shuts down.
Update: froze at stock gpu and cpu frequencies... Trying faux and then possibly another kernel. BTW this is with no case or anything.

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Am I the only one having this issue? I'm not really much of a gamer, but I noticed playing zen bound 2 that it started to get really hot and Trinity kernel toolbox have me a temp alert. Eventually the thing just either reboots or freezes playing any game with decent graphics. Normally I have my nexus at 1.7 w/on demand governor but it still does the same thing at 1.2 GHz. I tried the omega kernel to see if that was an issue but still had the same result. I'm pretty sure this didn't happen until I updated to 4.2.2 but maybe I just didn't notice because as I said, I'm not much of a gamer.
Any suggestions? Am I the only one? It stays at normal temperatures otherwise.
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No it isn't really normal. It usually may heat up a bit above room temperature. How hot would you say it is? I am a big gamer so I play games quite a lot on my nexus 7. I have updated to 4.2.2 as well but it doesn't heat up that much. I haven't really played massive games since I updated though. If it is burning hot it isn't right and could be a fault. Hope I helped.

It gets to 88 degrees, maybe more, and then freezes and/or shuts down.
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Does it heat up if you run a benchmark?
If it's only Zen Bound than you know where the problem is but I would be surprised if that is where the problem is.
My advice would be to flash leankernel while you try to figure out the problem. Run it at defaults. Don't even open a cpu tweak program.
Are you running any kind of boot scripts/tweaks?
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ezas said:
Does it heat up if you run a benchmark?
If it's only Zen Bound than you know where the problem is but I would be surprised if that is where the problem is.
My advice would be to flash leankernel while you try to figure out the problem. Run it at defaults. Don't even open a cpu tweak program.
Are you running any kind of boot scripts/tweaks?
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It may just be zen bound. I flashed the franco kernel and it didn't seem to have as many problems as far as overheating goes, but now it will just freeze at normal temperatures when doing something simple like web browsing. It did that twice today. However, I have Trinity Kernel Toolbox because it shows my cpu temp in the status bar. I'll uninstall that and try the lean kernel.
I forgot to add, no boot scripts or tweaks. It gets semi hot if I run a full benchmark in quadrant, but not anything serious. I've turned the gpu to 700 and cpu to 1700 before without any issues benchmarking in quadrant or geekbench.

It sounds pretty normal at 88 degrees and the whole reboot thing is a known fault, well I know that happens to my Nexus 7. To me it sounds like there is nothing to worry about. I did play zen bound and it was about 80-88 degrees.
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My nexus seems always hot, low benchmarks to
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[Q] Improve Benchmark Results

Just did a benchmark test on my LG G2 and the results are a bit disappointing. I found a post with tips on improving the Galaxy Ace [GT-5830]AnTuTu Benchmark results discuss here how to improve our devices .
Lest make this a post to improve our LG G2 devices.
I will let my phone be the ginny pig since I see my phone as such a disappointment.
Whatever tips you post. I will do on my phone and then post an update of the results after I done the update.
This way, others can see where the phone improves most and can decide for themselves what changes they should make on theirs to have the results they want.
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Stock on the day I bought it. Hasn't been this fast since root. Explain that.
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You must be running underclocked to 1.9 that's the same bench I got clocked like an S600
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Make sure you reboot to clear all background processes and let the phone sit truly idle for half an hour or so to make sure it's not going to throttle from heat. Unplug, too. Charging generates heat.

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Make sure you reboot to clear all background processes and let the phone sit truly idle for half an hour or so to make sure it's not going to throttle from heat. Unplug, too. Charging generates heat.
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Ok, first I'll let it charge to 100% then I'll reboot it and erase all notifactions. Then let it sit for an hour while I eat dinner. And come back to run the benchmark and update the post. We'll see how much of a difference that makes.

Don't be afraid to run it a couple times back to back. Not sure how true it is anymore, but years ago when 2.0(?) debuted JIT and dalvik cache, people were saying that results improved as the cache and kernel "learned" or improved pre-fetch or some-such. I'm not that deep into it to confirm or deny but I just ran AnTuTu four times back to back and each run improved over the previous. 28k, 30k, 32k, and finally 34k...so the same still seems to hold true.

I let it charge to full capacity through the Battery Doctor app by KS Mobile. I like that app for 2 reasons. 1, cause it tells you how much time til it finishes charging. And 2 cause it has easy access to the battery saving options.
So anyway... after I charged it. I restarted it. Then let it sit for an hour. I ate dinner and started watching a movie.
I restarted it again. Acknowledged and deleted all notifications. Restarted again. And then ran the Antutu Benchmark app again. Then I got the results in this picture.
SEE FIRST ATTATCHMENT
and as I'm typing, I'm running it again.. and the RESULTS BECAME LOWER
SEE SECOND ATTATCHMENT
now... my question is.. how do we keep the G2 running at max performance at all times? not just right after a restart? cause logically after a restart other apps will start running in the background.. even without being in the notifications tray.. is there an app that blocks other apps from running in the background, and only lets them run if you open the app yourself? or is that an idea for someone to create an app like that.. instead of a simple task killer app.. an app that prevents other apps from starting up in the background.. get it ?

Are you unhappy with the subjective performance of the device? Chasing benchmark numbers never ends...

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the performance is fine. I just want to get the benchmark numbers better than the Note 3.
android forums dot com /lg-g2/786696-improve-benchmark-results.html#post6221784
I posted exactly the same thing as I have here.. and already two other people are showing better stats than the Note 3.
So I figure there has to be a way to push my phone to its max potential.. I want to know how to do it.
Its only logical to want to get the most out of a phone no matter which one it is.. we all pay a substantial price for them, right?

Gotcha. Wait until the developer kernels start popping up. Combine with AOSP and profit. I have no doubt that all the LG overhear, even without the obvious bloatware, is holding us back significantly.
I'm benching above the N3 and just running Malladus one.one.seven...

I dont get it.. I just woke up.. tossed aside the notifications.. and ran the benchmark.. to my surprise its showing over 34k..
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I ran the Antutu Benchmark again today.. just now.. and the numbers just keep on getting higher and higher..
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Chess benchmark

Hi all
Can you perform chess benchmark as done on other devices- just install droidfish chess app, set Threads to 6 (in app settings). Then, on initial board position press M->Analysis Mode. See knps number as shown at the bottom of screen. Can it pass and sustain 1000knps?
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Can you perform chess benchmark as done on other devices- just install droidfish chess app, set Threads to 6 (in app settings). Then, on initial board position press M->Analysis Mode. See knps number as shown at the bottom of screen. Can it pass and sustain 1000knps?
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How long does it need to run? After like 5 min it was at 1150-ish.

About to run it now will update once im done
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How long does it need to run? After like 5 min it was at 1150-ish.
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Does it reach 1150k immediately or after few minutes? Snap 810 on lg flex performed 1069k....
Can you post screenshot after 1 minute?
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1104 peak after 2.30 mins at 6 it sat at 1028 hovered there for most of it but did drop down to 980ish for a sec about half way thru
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Will perform run again once i charge up.for the first time since 8am im sat at 30% now once i hit about 60 ill try again
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BTW, during test, does board responsive or does it lag when trying to move the pieces?
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There was some lag just after taking screenshots but non otherwise btw i took a ss just often enough to keep the phone awake
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Just to be sure: Without taking screenshots, under Analysis mode on 6 cores when you try to move pieces, there is no lag at all? If so, that is awesome.
(I observe significant lag on my note 3 in such case..)
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I didnt notice a big enough delay to call it lag more like the cpu thinking while it performs over 1000 other moves a second in the background its less than half a second on mine
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Seeing a peak around 1045. Interesting benchmark.

silent_bob52637 said:
I didnt notice a big enough delay to call it lag more like the cpu thinking while it performs over 1000 other moves a second in the background its less than half a second on mine
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I actually meant does it "playable" or responsive enough to move pieces when it under analysis mode...
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You couldnt play a proper game that would get frustrating but itwas showing a response within half a second
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Does it reach 1150k immediately or after few minutes? Snap 810 on lg flex performed 1069k....
Can you post screenshot after 1 minute?
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This was after 1 minute. Didn't feel any lag when playing with the analysis mode on and 6 cores.

Out of my own curiosity i tried this on my note 1 and no matter how many threads i use it is rendered catatonic and about 4 secs later it reboots
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Out of my own curiosity i tried this on my note 1 and no matter how many threads i use it is rendered catatonic and about 4 secs later it reboots
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Aldo on my Note 3 its bad...when trying to move pieces / press on bottoms - it lags severly..not responsive. When i use komodo engine it freezes and i also need to reboot...
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BTW, anyone observed heating / cpu throtteling issues on this test?
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TheBenzinator said:
BTW, anyone observed heating / cpu throtteling issues on this test?
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Since it seems like this is a heavy test I assume it gets hot and throttles a bit like any phone. But overall I noticed the G4 doesn't get burning hot, even when playing high end games at 100% brightness.

According to ampere after 30mins real racing 3 my battery is about 48c but the phone doesnt feel hot maybe call it fairly warm
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If this is what you want..I'm a chess master and this is the highest that I've ever come across..and no this is nor an LG device.
Jack.

hagba said:
If this is what you want..I'm a chess master and this is the highest that I've ever come across..and no this is nor an LG device.
Jack.
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Result should be taken from STARTING position for comparision.
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