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So...I am running Fresh 1.1, and I flashed Madaco's new kernel...then I enabled compcache.
Ever since flashing the new kernel, my Taskiller widget (which now shows how many MB's of memory you have available) will start at about 94mb when I power on my phone. Throughout the day, as I use taskiller to close programs, the memory doesn't go back to 94mb, but slowly goes down. First it'll go to 90mb...than 88...than 82....than 66...and all the way down to 54. It decreases each time I use the taskiller saying that my maximum freed up memory is only at 54mb, when in the morning it started at 94mb.
Can anyone help me with this? or help me figure out why it might be doing this? Sorry if the description of what's happening is kind of confusing, but I don't know how to explain it any clearer.
Thanks for any help given!
You really shouldn't be using TasKiller. Find out why here: http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
Uninstall TasKiller and you should be fine.
I use it cause the apps build up and kill my battery.
I stopped using any task managers for 2 weeks and my phone never really got any faster it actually was much worse when using the keyboard so I tried using them again and it's not as laggy anymore I don't really know how true that is I believe Fresh but it didn't help me
I've read about not using taskiller elsewhere, but I swear it makes a difference. Whenever I am experiencing lag, I run it, and boom...the lag is gone. It's not just my imagination either.
But back to the question: Why the heck would the available memory be going down each time I use taskiller?
I get the same thing and I have always wondered this also I will start out with a good amount of memory and later on in the day I might be able to get half of the memory I started with freed up
Using the TasKiller widget, I average around 32M and the rom is just slow as hell.... sorry Flipz, but wow.
Going back to Damage, but before I do, anybody else have this problem? I have it killing everything pretty much.
Maybe its because I'm using Sense UI again?
im sittin at more than 70m...
dunno what else you got running.
i go from 60-84 all the time......i set the memory manager to strict and im using helix launcher with no lwp, couldnt be happier
I'm using sense (sorry, Im a fan) and with task killer set to kill everything but Music (for the widget) Mobile Defense, and AutoKiller. I average 50-60 with 72MB usually free after a fresh boot and killing all tasks that start at boot. That quickly deminishes though and hovers around 50-60. With damage control, I would average 90MB after a fresh boot and auto kill, and would stay around 80.
With 3-4 programs open (one of them being the browser) I average about 35MB with fresh. However with DC I was at 50-60.
I'm using "Moderate" settings with AutoKill that came with fresh. Strict basically turned the phone into an iphone (no multitasking) I wouldn't have the browser and just about any other program running at the same time, defeats the purpose of having a multitasking phone.
The ROM is noticeably slower than damage control, however I was still having many bugs with even DC v2.05 so having a TRULY BUG FREE rom (fresh) is worth the little bit of slower performance.
I seem to agree that Fresh seems to be a more "complete" rom although they are very close.
I always just thought that Fresh's rom comes with a lot more programs (you can remove them, search). I know under Damage's I had a lot more memory, but I didn't have Sprint Football. I need to remove it, but I have been lazy so my avail. memory is under 50m usually, I haven't bothered cleaning it out just yet though.
If you go through and take out the stuff you're not using (even just sense/launcher/android home) maybe also the lock screens/clocks, you may be able to boost your memory a lot.
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I'm using sense (sorry, Im a fan) and with task killer set to kill everything but Music (for the widget) Mobile Defense, and AutoKiller. I average 50-60 with 72MB usually free after a fresh boot and killing all tasks that start at boot. That quickly deminishes though and hovers around 50-60. With damage control, I would average 90MB after a fresh boot and auto kill, and would stay around 80.
With 3-4 programs open (one of them being the browser) I average about 35MB with fresh. However with DC I was at 50-60.
I'm using "Moderate" settings with AutoKill that came with fresh. Strict basically turned the phone into an iphone (no multitasking) I wouldn't have the browser and just about any other program running at the same time, defeats the purpose of having a multitasking phone.
The ROM is noticeably slower than damage control, however I was still having many bugs with even DC v2.05 so having a TRULY BUG FREE rom (fresh) is worth the little bit of slower performance.
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Having a truly bug free rom? When I am getting a text, the phone will FREEZE, and WAIT until the sound decides to play, then it will keep going.
Sometimes typing it will randomly freeze, then spit out a ton of text, then if I hit backspace, it will freeze again, erase it all, and then I have to VERY slowly type.
Its horrible. I'm sorry, but I have to go back to DC. I can't even use the phone.
Here is a good example, yesterday somebody called me, I missed the call because the phone stuck on the home screen with it ringing, finally when it popped up to answer, I hit ANSWER and it didn't do anything. Went to voice mail, I hit the missed call and it just sat there, then it flew to the call screen and then hung up right away (registered a few finger taps and decided I was hitting End Call too). Then I tried to call back, pressed the number 4 or 5 times. Finally got frustrated and threw the phone in the passenger seat. 3 minutes later it rang again and I hit the Answer button and it worked.
This is insane. God forbid I have to get an emergency call out.
Later Fresh ROM.
Wow.
I'm having a great experience with Fresh.
I have (currently) 8 apps open and I'm running 56mb Free.
No FC's at all.
grifforama said:
Wow.
I'm having a great experience with Fresh.
I have (currently) 8 apps open and I'm running 56mb Free.
No FC's at all.
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Me too. Pretty sure there are far more folks who have low to no issues with this rom than there are folks who do.
With apps2sd I am running 64 megs.
Love this rom. No hitches. No glitches.
yall with task killers need to work smarter not harder and utilize the auto killer app and let it do all the killing based on the values in which android works....im on fresh 2.0d and really never dip below 70 or 80 and i dont run
a2sd and i really have no hiccups at all even running lwp...flipz him self said dont **** with a task killer thats prolly why the OP doesnt have alot of free memory
Dec 26: FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android
And no offense taken. But you have to understand that DC and Fresh are based on the EXACT same build from Sprint. I use my own rom (obviously) and haven't experienced a single thing that you mentioned other than some keyboard lag, which is caused by the experimental keyboard that I put in.
And if you are still questioning speed then you can also check out...
Apr 3: Benchmarking Sprint 2.20.651.1 Based Roms
This is solid proof that the roms are the same. Get rid of your taskkiller, setup autokiller (which is a task killer in a different way. It controls when android does all that nifty stuff in the first link) and you'll have a better experience on every rom, whichever one you choose.
Out of curiousity flipz, what do you find has been the best setting for autokiller? I've been testing several out, just curious what you find works best.
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Out of curiousity flipz, what do you find has been the best setting for autokiller? I've been testing several out, just curious what you find works best.
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I keep mine on moderate or optimum.
ive noticed after a fresh install sometimes u have like 32 mb free ram.. but after a few reboots and such it levels back out up to 70 mb..
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I keep mine on moderate or optimum.
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Thanks . My mindset was Agressive would kill more, so I tried that one out. I used optimum for a while, but never moderate yet. I am probably misunderstanding the differences between each setting
I'm using the Aggressive as well, but I will let my pictures speak for themselves.
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Dec 26: FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android
And no offense taken. But you have to understand that DC and Fresh are based on the EXACT same build from Sprint. I use my own rom (obviously) and haven't experienced a single thing that you mentioned other than some keyboard lag, which is caused by the experimental keyboard that I put in.
And if you are still questioning speed then you can also check out...
Apr 3: Benchmarking Sprint 2.20.651.1 Based Roms
This is solid proof that the roms are the same. Get rid of your taskkiller, setup autokiller (which is a task killer in a different way. It controls when android does all that nifty stuff in the first link) and you'll have a better experience on every rom, whichever one you choose.
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Exactly.
You can't really argue about one feeling more 'complete' than another one at this point. I gave flipz the Sprint leak, we both did our own customizations but they are basically the same thing. Everything is in your head. We both use the same keyboard (modded HTC one), and a LOT of it is the same stuff, so enough arguing about which one is better/worse. They really are based off the same thing now and have the same functionality. There is nothing that will run on mine that won't run on his, or anything on his that won't run on mine.
also we all use our phones very differently and run different things in combination with others so its really almost impossible to be like oh yea mines running better than yours cause one person may be all with the social networking and all that stuff and another might just need the bare basics...bottom line flash the roms that interest you and you will know what works for YOU
My phone has been running Fresh 2.0d for a few days now and with very minor changes to the base rom, it runs very smooth and fast. After having some issues with another rom I did a wrath of god level wipe on my phone and SD card, from that point on all my FC and lag issues stopped. If nothing else works I would suggest doing something along that line, start from scratch, purge everything, remake partitions etc., "Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure".
My RAM is usually around 60-70 free, but why is my internal phone memory so low after a fresh install of Fresh2.0d? I just got into rooting, tested out a few, sticking with Fresh, but my Internal memory is around 90 MB, without any other apps installed. Something wrong with this? On this page, dcdave63, shows a picture of internal memory with 131 MB free.
I got my X10 monday, when I got it the first app that I installed is appkiller and system monitor. In the beginning, when I closed all the apps by appkiller, the system monitor said that I have 175mb of RAM. After using it for 3 days, I started to notice that my ram is going down and down... I mean it went down to 35mb. I did a factory reset and then I started installing very few apps and kept noticing my ram. No matter how many programs I keep on killing the ram seems to be going down and down.
Why is the ram going down? The phone was supose to have internal rom of 1Gb and ram of 348mb. I didn't play/install any games yet it kept on going down and down
Any ideas? Who is eating my rams?
This behavior is normal on Android. It just wants to load everything in the background. When there is not enough ram Android will kill some task by itself. It's meant to work that way:
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html#actlife
So don't worry about your ram, even if its only 30MB available, unless the device turns really slow.
When I got this device (coming from Windows Mobile) I was very focused on the ram like you. I've used an taskkiller to kill almost everything, used an startupauditor etc. etc. However I found that these apps do more harm than good. I run the X10 bone stock now, without any killers and it still runs like a charm. I'm getting 48 hours of life out of the battery with some normal use (a few hours of music a day, browings, timescape, gps). Just enjoy the phone and don't look so much at the ram
Agreed...
I went from the hellish pits of WoeMo, and took the same approach with task killers, startup auditors, and all that absolutely necessary stuff for WoeMo...
I now run without them, and everything works like a charm - I'm inclined to think it actually works better, but I haven't done all the math yet (only went back to stock a few days ago), but I would err towards it being better without them.
If anything, I'd recommend using a task switcher, such as AppSwipe, so you can close any programs you've left open, by returning to them and pressing the Back button to close them, rather than the Home button (as I often do) which leaves them open....
i have really no choice but to use a task killer
every time when my ram drop to like 40+ or 30+mb it lags like hell
then i spend about 15s get to my task killer and press "kill"
everything fines then
My Arc keeps crashing asking me to force close apps and the homescreen it lags like hell and it is getting worst all the time so bad that even opening my texts takes a couple more than 10 seconds... (I do have around 2000 texts though)
Unlocking the screen is laggy scrolling on threw the 5 homescreens is laggy...
Sync turned off.
No timespace widget.
Even after removing all widgets to test it it was laggy
I used advanced task killer to kill all the apps to try the quadrant test
and I only got 850-950 MAX!!
Compared to youtube videos that seem to get almost double scores why is my
Arc is slow is it faulty?
Is it because I only have 40mb of phone memory and about 500mb sd card memory left?
Will I just have to flash my phone and does that mean I will need to flash every 2 weeks???
I think you have installed some applications which caysing this problem I had this problem, then i flashed my phone again & installed apps again (didn't restore).. But i didn't installed all apps at once, i spent time & installed 2, 3 apps everyday to check if the app would make phone laggy or slow. Since then my phone is working awesome, my 16GB memory card is almost full, 400 MB internal memory is full (After root i have removed many useless system apps)... I have more than 4000 sms & there is no lag or slowness Quadrant score is 1650
the only time i experienced lag was with adw launcher and no fc's yet, other than that the phone has been fast - then again i don't have as many apps or data on my phone as you. one thing i did notice is that my lcd's touch sensitivity seems to be lower than other arc's, maybe a defect, but it's pretty maddening in addition to all the reboots i've been having. i've been reading about others that have issues with the battery staying in place and like me, the random reboots, this is my first android phone, so not sure if these things are normal or if it just the arc.
It's definitely apps.
Mine is superfast...
Apps and possibly task killing the wrong things.. you need to make sure that if you're going to use a task killer, you really shouldn't us it on Auto.. and you should make sure to IGNORE anything that is a system task, or anything which persistently restarts.. killing those only wastes battery.
Android isnt exactly the most stable os out their but if you know about the os and know its ins and outs it can not only be the fastest but the best os out there.
My recommendation is look up articles about using and optimizing the os, trust me it will do you a ton of good.
Hi,
It seams that sometimes Android must be reflashed on a Device, especially on Tmobile Devices it will fix most of the problems.
Another tip: Uninstall the update of gmaps and reinstall it, on my device it blocks login to gmail and gtalk from one day to another! -.-
Greetings
Alef
Nope the ARC does not Lag very often and i think its ur device's memory thats giving you the trouble along with that huge pile of messages .... or the Corrupt software that might have crept in ...
My advice would be to flash ur ARC ASAP and limit that 2000+ messages and u will see a difference. Avoid putting too many apps as well.
Arc is a Size Zero Lady ... Don't burden it with Heavy Foodstufff ...
Might create Digestion problems. Keep it Light and it'll stay FIT.
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Android isnt exactly the most stable os out their but if you know about the os and know its ins and outs it can not only be the fastest but the best os out there.
My recommendation is look up articles about using and optimizing the os, trust me it will do you a ton of good.
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What do you mean "isn't the most stable"? I've been able to keep my phone on for weeks without a reboot. Seems stable enough to me.
Ok turns out I had 110 apps I deleted al the heavy ones and am down to 60 now!! My phone now got 1200 on quadrant. I dont kill any system ups or have an auto task killer set up I just kill uneeded apps before I run benchmarks?
Plus I noticed I have some orange apps that keep coming up even though I never used them... I might have to debrand and try again but my phobe is much much more stable now thanks!!
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chances are it wasn't the number of apps you had which was causing the problem, but that one of them (or possible several of them!) which you deleted were badly written and hogging the processor when they should have been sitting quietly in the background..
Orange is well known for screwing devices with bloatware also.
Wow!!
That's a lot of apps you've installed and most likely loads of them are badly written like iceman said; I installed a file browser on mine not long after getting the phone which would pause the whole system for up to a minute, plus battery was highly drained.
I guess this is result of massively varied hardware for one mobile OS. (Plus bad programming)
Hey xda-ers,
I have been plagued by this issue for quite some time and wanted to see if it was just me, or if others share my pain.
Since migrating to Nougat I have found that my phone starts to slow down and freeze after some usage. Typically after leaving some apps open.
The problem immediately goes away once i hit Clear All on the recents, thus I think it is a RAM issue.
In all kernerls or Roms I have tried the problem persists, even if selecting "Aggressive mode" for low memory killer.
I always thought that leaving apps open will not impact ram, as android "understands" theses are not being used (hence why all "ram managers" are just snake oil).
So is anyone else getting this slow down after a few hours of use?
Any tips/tricks to help with this?
TL;DR: how do i fix constant low memory on Nougat roms?
It must be a particular app/set of apps that would be causing this. I see from your signature that you are on Nitrogen OS, as am I. In my particular case, I have never seen more than 1.2GB RAM of the 1.8GB used, the usual average is more in the mid to high 800 Meg range. You could check for yourself in settings, under memory, the current usage is shown. There is a further sub menu in there that shows per app memory used. Check and see if you can identify the culprit.
P.S: I do use Greenify, maybe that keeps the RAM usage low? Maybe someone else can chime in with their usage as well.
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It must be a particular app/set of apps that would be causing this. I see from your signature that you are on Nitrogen OS, as am I. In my particular case, I have never seen more than 1.2GB RAM of the 1.8GB used, the usual average is more in the mid to high 800 Meg range. You could check for yourself in settings, under memory, the current usage is shown. There is a further sub menu in there that shows per app memory used. Check and see if you can identify the culprit.
P.S: I do use Greenify, maybe that keeps the RAM usage low? Maybe someone else can chime in with their usage as well.
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Hi, thanks for the reply.
I also use Greenify, and when checking the app usage (which i have monitored for a few months), I see that OS uses around 1.2, and chrome and other apps around 100-200mb each.
However, it seems that the moment I have less than 400mb "free" it starts to glitch.
Also, issue persists even with Tesla Rom (which is what i moved to a few months ago).
Maybe this is just the limit of the N4 with newer apps...
For me the android OS is currently around the 350MB mark. Tap on Android OS and see what is using the memory. Maybe the cache is running high for you?