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As you all,, (who know that -TOUCH HD- IS NOT a shiny brick with a big screen),, know HTC TOUCH HD has a Qualcomm MSM7201A cpu...
The Qualcomm MSM7201A cpu IS a DUAL CORE CPU----- in this page: http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas..._on_Qualcomms_Advanced_Dual-Core_Chipset.html : its written """Qualcomm has optimized the Android software by integrating it with Qualcomm's MSM7201A-a single chip, dual-core solution that combines high-speed processing, hardware-accelerated multimedia capabilities, 3D graphics and built-in, multi-mode 3G mobile broadband connectivity for an optimal wireless experience.""""
HTC TOUCH HD has the same cpu as the G1!!!!
So I wish to know-- is it possible to get these two cores working in Windows Mobile 6.1, with any ROM or Tweak,or will we have to wait for WM 6.5 or WM 7???? (btw does WM6.5 use dual core)
If you didnt understand something, then ask-- Ill try to tell it differently!!!
Im latvian and Im still learning English!!!
btw full HD specs-- http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1469
think it's more driver related issue.
xmoo said:
think it's more driver related issue.
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Its not an issue, or maybe it is....-- I have heard that WM6.1 just doesnt support Dual Core but WM 7 will support it....---- That means that somewhere or someone has these drivers or anything to make our Touch HD support dual core
this is nice. maybe the developers of the android version for the touch hd can optimize the drivers for "bringing the horses to the cpu".
maybe....maybe....
AFAIK, it's a lower level than drivers; multi-core support would have to be built into the scheduler of the kernel. So don't get your hopes up.
deepinside88 said:
this is nice. maybe the developers of the android version for the touch hd can optimize the drivers for "bringing the horses to the cpu".
maybe....maybe....
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I have to say on the new Android kernell (by orux)
the speed is amazing!
xmoo said:
I have to say on the new Android kernell (by orux)
the speed is amazing!
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does this kernel support multi core cpu and is this testable? i know the speed is really nice but it this quite faster than an optimized win 6.1 rom?
Does it mean that second core is idle now?
Feromon said:
Does it mean that second core is idle now?
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Yes it is idle if you use WM 6.1 ( all of us use it !!!! )
Android supports dual core-- uses both cores!!
one of them is used for phone and related GSM functions, the second one is for whole OS...but maybe i'm wrong...I read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly
excuse me guys but is possible to make our blackstone totally an android system-based?
Berry29tm said:
excuse me guys but is possible to make our blackstone totally an android system-based?
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They are working on that.
thomas.clatter said:
one of them is used for phone and related GSM functions, the second one is for whole OS...but maybe i'm wrong...I read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly
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Naah--- OS and Phone is using only one cpu (1st core) --- other cpu (2nd core) stays completely idle-- not used not stressed -- just standing there for nothing!!!
If HTC would update us with Windows Mobile 7 (when its out) then we would have a dual core Ppc and a Dual Core capable OS..... But now we have only a dual core ppc
I think that "DualCore single chip solution" means that the CPU and the ATI graphics core are together in one package! DualCore PPC sounds to futuristic to me! Even the 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon is not DualCore to my knoledge!
OrionBG said:
I think that "DualCore single chip solution" means that the CPU and the ATI graphics core are together in one package! DualCore PPC sounds to futuristic to me! Even the 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon is not DualCore to my knoledge!
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No its dual core ( two cpu's ) even snapdragon is dual core -- just google "dual core qualcomm" first thing which comes out is snapdragon- dual core capable of 1.5 ghz...look further an youl see that qualcomm MSM7xxx cpus are dual core --- two cpus
---OK **** the discusion about the cpu:
CAN WE GET SOMEKINDA DRIVER OR ROM WHICH HAS DUAL CORE SUPPORT???
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR WINDOWS MOBILE 7, OR CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON DUAL CORE A BIT EARLY????
I think at the moment Linux/Android is our best hope
I'm sorry, but can you post proof? A link to an official document stating the device actually has 2 CPU CORES?
The Qualcomm MSM720X chipset has one cpu core, and a gpu which are on the same chip. That's all.
And no, there's no driver for it. Why do you think there are so many topics about a Graphics driver missing in MSM720x devices? Simple. Because Qualcomm never released them in public, and OEMs have to pay licensing fees for them.
Please don't confuse people on XDA with this rumors based on nothing, research your stuff before making a topic out of it.
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
No its dual core ( two cpu's ) even snapdragon is dual core -- just google "dual core qualcomm" first thing which comes out is snapdragon- dual core capable of 1.5 ghz...look further an youl see that qualcomm MSM7xxx cpus are dual core --- two cpus
---OK **** the discusion about the cpu:
CAN WE GET SOMEKINDA DRIVER OR ROM WHICH HAS DUAL CORE SUPPORT???
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR WINDOWS MOBILE 7, OR CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON DUAL CORE A BIT EARLY????
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Must we trust you, a random guy from latvia, who disses a phone off in his signature wich you couldnt compare to.(toshiba)
Should we trust you just if you say that you read somewhere that the chipset supperts dual core?
Mayb the guys from qualcomm mean that there is ONE cpu, and ONE gpu...so 2 cores on the same chip...dual core?
Hey and why HTC pay for a chipset who is not using it's full capabilities...i think they learned from the TyTn II driver debacle and dont do this anymore.
Theres no such thing as dual core in our chipsets, it is only CPU+GPU.
Gr Bram
excuse me for my english
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Naah--- OS and Phone is using only one cpu (1st core) --- other cpu (2nd core) stays completely idle-- not used not stressed -- just standing there for nothing!!!
If HTC would update us with Windows Mobile 7 (when its out) then we would have a dual core Ppc and a Dual Core capable OS..... But now we have only a dual core ppc
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thomas.clatter meant Android, not win mobile 6.x and with his android - text he`s right, one cpu is for the gsm (and so on) stuff, the other is for the OS.
i hope we get our second cpu back from idle somehow.. -> android
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so, finally, its not the same CPU series from Qualcom like in the G1 Phone from HTC? Then we can stop the discussion about dual core @ blackstone - for sure.
REALLY BIG MISUNDERSTANDING (FOR ME)
THE CPU IS DUAL CORE AS CPU AND GPU INTEGRATED ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_phone --- by the cpu spec is written dual core- cpu/gpu, basicaly its dual core as one cpu and one gpu -- I gues the PC and PPC worlds arent so even!!!
MY MISTAKE, BUT PEOPLE ARE MISUNDERSTANDING IT EVERYWHERE--- JUST GOOGLE IT, PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED EVERYWHERE, AND IM ONE OF THEM :| !!!!!
SORRY FOR THE BIG CONFUSION, DELETE THIS WHOLE THREAD PLEASE!!
How're arm11 processors? Is it like the droid's processors which is clocked at 550 but has great gpu clocks?
Beautiful processor!
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How're arm11 processors? Is it like the droid's processors which is clocked at 550 but has great gpu clocks?
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better yet can the arm 11 processor be over clocked to 800?
which ARM11 platform does boot the linux kernel ?
I am wondering which ARM11 platform does boot the linux kernel ? And where to start for Nokia E7 (BCM2727)
Regards
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http://rzr.online.fr/q/arm
Just pointing out any processor that is ARMv6 or ARMv7 is considered ARM11. So the MT3GS is an ARM11 processor and of course it runs on a linux kernel. That is exactly what Android is, a flavor of Linux.
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I have a NC 1.4.1 rooted with MN 5.x with OC to 1.2Ghz. I am tempted to buy a 16GB NT. How does performance of a 1.2 Ghz OC NC with 512MB compare to a 0.8Ghz NT with 1gb ram?
I thought NT comes with Dual Core 1ghz proccessor.
It will be way faster than NC. Price dropped to $199 is tempting indeed, but i'd wait for Asus Memo 370 quad core slated for only $250.
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jdpdata said:
i thought nt comes with dual core 1ghz proccessor.
It will be way faster than nc. Price dropped to $199 is tempting indeed, but i'd wait for asus memo 370 quad core slated for only $250.
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that things sounds rad !!!!
jdpdata said:
I thought NT comes with Dual Core 1ghz proccessor.
It will be way faster than NC. Price dropped to $199 is tempting indeed, but i'd wait for Asus Memo 370 quad core slated for only $250.
Sent from my CM9 Nook
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I'm waiting for it too but honestly, I think it's too good to be true and since the announcement (could well be a false mouth), ASUS has been pretty quiet on it, no info, no update info at all. The term "Memo 370T" completely disappears.
jdpdata said:
I thought NT comes with Dual Core 1ghz proccessor. It will be way faster than NC.
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Dual core comes into play with multi-thread operations. When browsing the web with nothing in the background, a NC 1.2Ghz OC will be faster than a 1Ghz NT.
fpga_guy said:
Dual core comes into play with multi-thread operations. When browsing the web with nothing in the background, a NC 1.2Ghz OC will be faster than a 1Ghz NT.
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I can't offer up any scientific testing data, but I can tell you that my wife's NT is much quicker web browsing using Opera than my NC overclocked to 1.2 GHz. Presumably, Opera is taking advantage of those multithreading capabilities.
It's noticeably smoother overall. The NC will tend to "get busy" and just hang until an operation completes, where the NT keeps plugging.
All subjective, of course, and YMMV. If it had been as hackable, I'd have gone with the NT.
The Nook Tablet's OMAP4 CPU includes many significant improvements over the Nook Color's OMAP3 CPU so direct GHz comparisons won't be too meaningful.
The OMAP4 is built around Cortex-A9 ARM cores that are a generation beyond the Cortex-A8 ARM cores in the NC's OMAP3. Highlights include out-of-order execution, speculative execution, superscalar architecture, and much more. Also, the OMAP4 uses LPDDR2 vs LPDDR in the OMAP3. Out-of-order execution alone is pretty significant, and there's a good reason every Intel CPU since the original Pentium has had it. Well, every CPU except their Atom line and it's one of the reasons the Atom CPUs feel slower than an underclocked Core CPU
boomn said:
The Nook Tablet's OMAP4 CPU includes many significant improvements over the Nook Color's OMAP3 CPU so direct GHz comparisons won't be too meaningful.
The OMAP4 is built around Cortex-A9 ARM cores that are a generation beyond the Cortex-A8 ARM cores in the NC's OMAP3. Highlights include out-of-order execution, speculative execution, superscalar architecture, and much more. Also, the OMAP4 uses LPDDR2 vs LPDDR in the OMAP3. Out-of-order execution alone is pretty significant, and there's a good reason every Intel CPU since the original Pentium has had it. Well, every CPU except their Atom line and it's one of the reasons the Atom CPUs feel slower than an underclocked Core CPU
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Thanks.. exactly what I was looking for. Should have looked up the specs on the cores myself.
bobstro said:
I can't offer up any scientific testing data, but I can tell you that my wife's NT is much quicker web browsing using Opera than my NC overclocked to 1.2 GHz. Presumably, Opera is taking advantage of those multithreading capabilities.
It's noticeably smoother overall. The NC will tend to "get busy" and just hang until an operation completes, where the NT keeps plugging.
All subjective, of course, and YMMV. If it had been as hackable, I'd have gone with the NT.
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Since the NT has been rooted, why isn't it as hackable? Has the boot loader been cracked?
alexwick said:
that things sounds rad !!!!
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If you think that sound RAD, take a look at this...just rumor at this point, but we can dream can't we?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...be-produced-by-asus-quad-core-tegra-3-inside/
fpga_guy said:
Since the NT has been rooted, why isn't it as hackable? Has the boot loader been cracked?
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It certainly wasn't when I made my buying decision, and unless I'm mistaken, you can't load CM onto eMMC (yet). Thanks to the dedicated crew at XDA and other sites, it's getting there.
Frankly, though, the NT has lost its lustre for me. I was hoping for a faster, smoother NC, but instead B&N went the lockdown route. Now that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 Plus can be had for under $300, and more options are on the way, I'm just going to wait a few months for a full-on Android tablet and be done with B&N's nonsense.
It's a shame, since I really like the NT hardware. I just don't want to be arguing with B&N over who gets to control the device I've paid for if I want to keep it updated.
Hi,
I just download CPU-Z from Google Play here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cpuid.cpu_z
But I'm amazed because it identifies Nexus10 CPU manufacturer as ARM instead of Samsung. In fact CPU manufacturer detected is 0x41, that is ARM not Samsung...
Please, can any owner of another Nexus10 run CPU-Z in order to know if there is the same issue or is just related to my processor.
Thanks and best regards.
Well it is an ARM core design, and the GPU is a straight ARM design as well.
EniGmA1987 said:
Well it is an ARM core design, and the GPU is a straight ARM design as well.
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I know, but I have a serious overheating problem with my nexus 10. Maybe it can be avoided if there are different processors used in nexus 10 build. That's why I ask if someone can check it in his/her machine, to know if it's possible.
Thanks and best regards.
No one has a different processor, and the overheating affects everyone. Pretty much anything you do will always hit thermal throttling which is why everyone should run a custom kernel since that tweaks the way throttling works.
EniGmA1987 said:
No one has a different processor
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That's exactly what I want to confirm. Sometimes internal parts were changed/replaced due to lack of stock (and it was a common situation for the nexus 10).
Did you run CPU-Z to check the processor?
Thanks and best regards.
VivaErBetis said:
That's exactly what I want to confirm. Sometimes internal parts were changed/replaced due to lack of stock (and it was a common situation for the nexus 10).
Did you run CPU-Z to check the processor?
Thanks and best regards.
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It is ARM, mostly. Mali, the GPU portion of the chip, is from ARM.
BTW, there were too few Nexus 10 devices sold to have a part shortage. Even the Surface RT outsold the Nexus 10.
VivaErBetis said:
That's exactly what I want to confirm. Sometimes internal parts were changed/replaced due to lack of stock (and it was a common situation for the nexus 10).
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Why do you think some Nexus 10's have a different processor? I highly doubt they put in anything other than an Exynos 5 Dual and yet only list that CPU on their official specs page. More likely is that CPU-Z simply doesn't have a complete database of all the ARM processors out there, particularly since the Nexus 10 is the first Android device with a Cortex A15 CPU and there still aren't that many A15 CPUs out there.
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Why do you think some Nexus 10's have a different processor? I highly doubt they put in anything other than an Exynos 5 Dual and yet only list that CPU on their official specs page. More likely is that CPU-Z simply doesn't have a complete database of all the ARM processors out there, particularly since the Nexus 10 is the first Android device with a Cortex A15 CPU and there still aren't that many A15 CPUs out there.
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Note the "Field Name" is CPU Architecture, not CPU. This is an important distinction, because CPU-Z is identifying the CPU "type" not the exact make/model from that manufacturer.
Samsung's Exynos CPU used in the N10 was advertised as using the latest "licensed Cortex ARM" design of A15. For more detail see http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/index.php for a list of the various ARM-A designs.
ARM doesn't necessarily produce the processors themselves, but develops and then licenses the IP to the various CPU manufacturers that want to create ARM "type" CPU's. Even though it's modified, Qualcomm still pays for the IP so that their instruction sets for Krait are compatible with the competition.
So with CPU-Z, you'll see "ARM Cortex-A15" for our N10's and "Krait" on my Samsung GS3.
SeaFractor said:
Note the "Field Name" is CPU Architecture, not CPU. This is an important distinction, because CPU-Z is identifying the CPU "type" not the exact make/model from that manufacturer.
Samsung's Exynos CPU used in the N10 was advertised as using the latest "licensed Cortex ARM" design of A15. For more detail see http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/index.php for a list of the various ARM-A designs.
ARM doesn't necessarily produce the processors themselves, but develops and then licenses the IP to the various CPU manufacturers that want to create ARM "type" CPU's. Even though it's modified, Qualcomm still pays for the IP so that their instruction sets for Krait are compatible with the competition.
So with CPU-Z, you'll see "ARM Cortex-A15" for our N10's and "Krait" on my Samsung GS3.
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I'm well aware of how ARM licensing works. If you look at his screenshot, it doesn't identify his processor as a Samsung Exynos 5, but your screenshot shows a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4. That is probably because they don't have the Exynos 5 in their database yet.
Thanks for all the answers. I contacted CPU-Z devs to ask about this issue and they change the soc recognition in the new version published today.
will ubuntu touch be available for low perfomance phones,like zte racer.240x320 600mhz arm11 v6...256mb ram/rom
marko.dnb said:
will ubuntu touch be available for low perfomance phones,like zte racer.240x320 600mhz arm11 v6...256mb ram/rom
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The minimum hardware for phones is set at 1GHz CPU and 512MB RAM...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch#Hardware_requirements