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Hummingbird or not

So I thought the epic had the hummingbird CPU?
Why do all info say its an arm V7 revision 2?
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It is a Hummingbird processor. It's actually based on the ARM Cortex A8 architecture. Hummingbird is the codename for the Samsung and Intrinsity developed part. So the processor is named Hummingbird, but it's based on the ARM architecture. It's kind of like how Intel makes Pentiums and AMD makes Phenoms, but they're both x86-64 architecture processor.

Question regarding Epic's Spec's

I was running Quadrant Standard app to benchmark my Epic 4G and have some insight on what it can do and how good can it do it.
While checking the specs of the phone, the app reports that the Epic 4G has an ARM v7 processor rev 2 (v7l) @ 800 Mhz (capable of 1GHz)... $amsung says that we have a Cortex v8 Hummingbird processor @ 1Ghz so the question is what do we really have and how fast is it really going???
I see data for other phones like the I9000 Galaxy S and it clearly states that it has a Cortex v8 Hummingbird processor @ 1Ghz. Did we get ripped off? or does the app just not read the specs of the phone right?

megabiteg said:
I was running Quadrant Standard app to benchmark my Epic 4G and have some insight on what it can do and how good can it do it.
While checking the specs of the phone, the app reports that the Epic 4G has an ARM v7 processor rev 2 (v7l) @ 800 Mhz (capable of 1GHz)... $amsung says that we have a Cortex v8 Hummingbird processor @ 1Ghz so the question is what do we really have and how fast is it really going???
I see data for other phones like the I9000 Galaxy S and it clearly states that it has a Cortex v8 Hummingbird processor @ 1Ghz. Did we get ripped off? or does the app just not read the specs of the phone right?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
View "Cortex"

Hummingbird fastest processor on the market according to GLBenchmark2.0

http://theandroidsite.com/2010/12/1...r-on-the-market-according-to-glbenchmark-2-0/
Thought this was pretty cool information
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The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.

Yea the Tegra chipset will blow everything out of the water . I do like the Hummingbird processor though
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sauron0101 said:
The real world performance of the Hummingbird is superior to all other ARM Cortex A8 processors I have found. Of course, that won't remain that way when CPUs like the Tegra 250 start coming onto phones like the LG Optimus 2x.
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No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...

gTen said:
No, that will remain even after Tegra 2 comes out..simply because Tegra 2 is Cortex A9 lol
Its no surprise the Hummingbird is the fastest processor...originally the TI OMAP held the crown of pushing the Cortex A8 to its max..Samsung with TI OMAP in mind went a step farther to try to create something even better (despite many telling them its not possible)..and with hep of Intrisity the Hummingbird was made which pushes Cortex A8 beyond its limits..
The Hummingbird is the king of 2010..and it was made it 2009..it is only fitting that next year in 2011 a better processor comes out, and then a better one in 2012 and so on...
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Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".

Electrofreak said:
Hah, you guys sound like you've read my article. Or maybe I'm just flattering myself.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125
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I actually researched this info back before CTIA when the Hummingbird was first announced...but I do remember stumbling upon your article here and there.
Anyhow, there's one major problem with the article linked by the OP; that test is soley a GPU test, not CPU. The PowerVR SGX540 is, without doubt, the fastest GPU on the market today.
The Hummingbird does just barely edge past Snapdragon MHz to MHz in side-by-side processing tests, though any 1.x GHz OMAP / Snapdragon does have the 1 GHz Hummingbird beat (except when it comes to GPU performance, obviously.)
Where the Hummingbird starts to lose out MHz for MHz is in Android 2.3 where the JIT compiler was optimized for Snapdragon (and I assume OMAP) processors. Hopefully we'll see this change and Google work some better Hummingbird support into Android with the release of the Nexus S; now the flagship "Google Phone".
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Even with 2.3 optimizations I do not think an old 1st gen 65nm Snapdragon will outperform a Hummingbird mhz for mhz..the newer 2nd gen ones are another story.
But yeah, optimizations from the Nexus S would be sweet..while I was hoping for an Orion CPU, I am quite happy they chose the same CPU as ours, this will help development a lot...

Qualcomm's Dual-core Processors for HTC

Is it true that Qualcomm's dual-core CPU's will be based on the older ARM Cortex-A8 architecture set instead of the modern Cortex-A9 which is being used by Apple's A5 Chip and Nvidia'S Tegra 2 ?
Source:
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...msm8660-12ghz-dual-core-snapdragon-processor/
The hardware benchmarks on the dual-core MSM8x60 1.2 Ghz chip used by HTC Pyramid (Sensation,Doubleshot) and the Evo-3D do not look pretty good.
Source:
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=258
Need a bit of clarification on this issue why they didn't choose the Cortex-A9 path.

Ok so I just read this report from Qualcomm explaining this issue:
http://www.qualcomm.de/documents/files/linley-report-dual-core-snapdragon.pdf
Apparently their architecture set is compatible with ARM's instruction architecture set and they claim its better than the A9.
"The superscalar CPU uses a 13-stage pipeline to generate faster clock speeds than competing products can achieve using ARM’s Cortex-A8 or Cortex-A9"
Having said that still not sure why the hardware benchmarks are not near the Cortex-A9 dual-core processors.
Adreno-220 is pretty good though compared to other GPU's.

mjehan said:
Apparently their architecture set is compatibily with ARM's instruction architecture set and they claim its better than the A9.
Having said that still not sure why the hardware benchmarks are not near the Cortex-A9 dual-core processors.
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Because bechmarks are meaningless and HTC have yet to put the work into fiddling them yet!

Quamcomm has been claiming that their design is better than ARM's Cortex A8 before but other than few special occasions, they are mostly equal at the same clock speed. Since MSM8x60 is also based on the identical cores, I don't see how it could be better than Cortex A9. In fact, Qualcomm is working on their own "equivalent to A9" version right now.
FYI, # of pipelines don't tell the whole story about the speed of CPUs. If not implemented well, it will simply cause longer stall delays. We have seen this in the old Pentium 4 architectures.

I think the 128bit fpu makes scorpion equivalent to a9 in floating points calculation
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Processor?

What processor is in the phone? I expect Exynos but I've been searching for a while and can't get any confirmation...

It is 1.4Ghz Exynos

iLiberate said:
What processor is in the phone? I expect Exynos but I've been searching for a while and can't get any confirmation...
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note-4135.php
Dual-core 1.4GHz ARM Cortex-A9 processor, Mali-400MP GPU, Exynos chipset

So is this the same processor that is found in the S2, just overclocked to 1.4ghz, or is it a completely new one?

sieepiestangel said:
So is this the same processor that is found in the S2, just overclocked to 1.4ghz, or is it a completely new one?
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I think it's overclocked, the CPU and GPU are same. I'm not sure if the clock of GPU is same are increased.