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Hello,
I am experiencing heavy lags and timeouts while using multiple applications, using the phone application and while downloading via 3g data connection.
It doesn't matter which build I use.
Is the reason for this behavior known? I think it's kernel based.
Furthermore I use the browser really much, but compared to windows scrolling and zooming is damn slow and choppy. Is it the gpu or cpu, the hw3d driver or to small amount of free ram?
Greetings,
Sebastian
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yeah, it's because you are using Android from microSD card. You probably have class 2 card, try using some nice class 6. Also, please note that Android will eventually be run in HD2 memory, therefore speed will be much faster.
For now, we all stick to Android on microSD card.
They are all beta realeases. Thanks for posting your bug report, but in future try to do that AFTER searching for similar posts, and then if you do find a NEW bug then add it to the already over-burdened threads that exist.
HD2 can run class10? If you can "ANDROID ROM is faster...
Get a better card!
The read/write speed of the card you are using makes all the difference. Using a 4gb class 6 card and it is running relatively smooth. Very little lag using Darkstone's builds. Minor lags with Dan's builds but no biggie. Every once in a while, under heavy use, I get unresponsive screen for a couple of seconds then its back to normal. Will probably invest in a class 10 card to see if I get any better performance. Anybody using a class 10 please chime in and give us some input.
I'm using the stock 16gb card which is default in tmous hd2.
It's slow and choppy.
Hi there.
I was wondering how slower or cumbersome is the experience using SD CM7 or Phiremod vs having it EMMC.
Are there any benchmarks comparison (quadrant, etc) available on XDA or can someone share their experience and how different they feel?
ust to clarify I am not comparing CM7 vs Phiremod, just asking about the experience regarding SD vs EMMC. Thanks.
I guess this pretty much depends on the sd class so please mention in your comments which one you used!
Garoto1973 said:
Hi there.
I was wondering how slower or cumbersome is the experience using SD CM7 or Phiremod vs having it EMMC.
Are there any benchmarks comparison (quadrant, etc) available on XDA or can someone share their experience and how different they feel?
ust to clarify I am not comparing CM7 vs Phiremod, just asking about the experience regarding SD vs EMMC. Thanks.
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Straight answer, running it off SD card does not "feel" any slower or more cumbersome.
I've come across posts from people who have tried both eMMC and SD installs of CM7/OC and claim that it actually feels snappier on their SD and then vice versa with other people. If you have a particularly good SD card, it may actually be (or perhaps just "feels") faster than eMMC. It's just too subjective.
In my own experience, I was having too many issues with random FCs and quirky behavior on SD card. eMMC was definitely smoother and performed better.
Turned out my overpriced best of the best Class 6 and Class 10 cards were the problem. I have since reverted to stock Nook on eMMC and running CM7 off SD card again.
Now I "feel" my current install on my new SD card (Class 4 Sandisk) is better. These particular cards have very good random small block r/w in comparison to higher Class cards tweaked for high speed sequential r/w. But it's all luck of the draw, same cards from a different batch may perform better or worse, YMMV.
Then again this install on my new card is using the latest CM7 stable running the latest OC test kernel at 1.3ghz. Quadrant scores averaging 2800.
Your straight answer was actually very complete Quadrant at 2800 is just insane, I just wish USPS was as fast upon delivering my Nook, I just can't wait!
Thanks for the SD card tip, I ordered a Sandisk class 6 and was thinking on ordering a second one to play with other roms, I think I will order a class 4 this time just in case...
Glad to be of help. Some other thoughts; IMHO this would be the best way to get CM7 + gapps/Market + OC kernel installed on SD card:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
Grab the latest CM7 stable which is 7.0.2, gapps and OC kernel 4/04 or (4/24 test kernel), which you can find referenced in links from that thread.
You would be starting with a base installation here with the latest stable CM7 plus full Market access. Then you can build, and personalize it from there to make it your own, instead of say Phiremod which is a customized version of the same.
If you follow the instructions, it will be an easy smooth experience. 15 minutes tops. The tricky part may be in getting the timing right to get into "recovery" to install gapps. Instead of counting 6 seconds as per the instructions, count to 3 right when you see "Touch the future..". Be sure to have your wi-fi enabled and set up before you install gapps.
After you have CM7 and gapps/Market installed and running, then you may choose to OC it. With the latest CM7 stable and stock kernel, it actually runs very smooth even without overclocking (depending on your SD card). OC kernels up to 4/4 (1.1Ghz) just needs an easy uImage replacement as per the instructions.
However, newer test OC kernels (1.3Ghz) have modules and libs which you need to adb push over, which means you'd need the android SDK installed on your computer with working drivers.
Good luck.
Long story, short (can be made longer as needed), CM7 snowballs into a bunch of force closes. I have a 16 GB PNY and the write, read speed is fine and quadrant scores are above a Nexus S. I used the verygreen method of rooting and have tried the latest nightly then went back with the latest stable but it makes no difference. It all starts with a force close on android.media.process force close and then I get random force closes on things I am not using and on market and kindle till its nearly unuseable. Perhaps it is how I am wiping the micro sd to start over? I use Minitool partition manager and delete all the partitions then create a fat 32 partition then I use windows 7 to quick format to defaults. Suggestions please. I don't sync it to my phone profile and all the apps.
dejavecu said:
Long story, short (can be made longer as needed), CM7 snowballs into a bunch of force closes. I have a 16 GB PNY and the write, read speed is fine and quadrant scores are above a Nexus S. I used the verygreen method of rooting and have tried the latest nightly then went back with the latest stable but it makes no difference. It all starts with a force close on android.media.process force close and then I get random force closes on things I am not using and on market and kindle till its nearly unuseable. Perhaps it is how I am wiping the micro sd to start over? I use Minitool partition manager and delete all the partitions then create a fat 32 partition then I use windows 7 to quick format to defaults. Suggestions please. I don't sync it to my phone profile and all the apps.
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Dammit, hit thanks instead of quote by accident.
Anyway, the read speed is not the critical benchmark for uSD cards if running CM7 off it. There's a thread in general regarding this, but it's the small writes that matter most. The general consensus seems to be that Sandisk class 4 or 2 cards perform the best (on average, quality can vary between cards of the same brand/model) out of those out there.
Try using Easus Partition Manager to repartition and format fat32, 8k clusters (for a 16GB card) -- also if you're using a built-in card reader or connecting an external one to a front port on your PC it can cause some weird issues.
You can also try, if you have a second uSD, creating a bootable CWR card, boot into it, swap uSD out for your system card, run fix permissions and reboot (someone correct me if this won't work, afaik it does).
I'm still getting a lot of force closes but with some I chose to click wait instead of force close and then it will work. I'm going to.be aggravated if after all this time it s the sd card. Any cm7 tweaks to.make it more stable?
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The best bet for you at this point is to get a Sandisk 8GB class 2/4 microSD from Amazon for around $11.00 including shipping.
(Please note that we are not associated with Amazon in any way.)
We can not emphasize how important it is to have a good disk.
A lot of FC can be avoided at least from my point of view.
Good luck.
If you dont want to wait for shipping, i think staples is have a fathers day sale for 15 dollars of something for a sandisk 8GB class 4
What about a 16 gb?
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Also it never will boot in recovery mode. it simply installs the gasps then I power it on again
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With verygreen's size-agnostic thing, I've yet to see any bootloader per se. It's this magical thing that when you say "boot to recovery", all it does is run any ZIP that's named "cm-" something, or "update-" something. (Also gapps).
I don't see any menuing like AMONRA or CWM.
I'm using a 8GB class 6 that performs just fine, without any issues (as a point of reference). I also have a 4GB class 4 that ran well, too - albeit a bit slower.
I think when you get above class 6 is when it gets more flakey on the small read/writes.
I used verygreen's size-agnostic installer, coupled with the Win32 imager. Essentially followed Quinxy's easy-to-understand steps here (ignoring him telling you to grab cm7-0-0.zip, the write-up is old - get either the latest nightly or the latest stable -- the 107 nightly worked great for me, 106 didn't have root, so don't ever get that one).
http://quinxy.com/2011/04/01/comple...on-the-nook-color/comment-page-3/#comment-944
I'm running CM7 nightly 107 with Dalingrin's 6-18 kernel on a 16 GB Sandisk class 4 I got from Radio Shack last weekend for $25 (it was on sale). It is rock solid.
Also was running cm7 7.0.3 stable on a Sandisk class 4 8GB stick and that ran rock solid also. I've been using Sandisk mini and micro SD chips in my phones for years and never had a bad experience yet. If it ain't broke, don't fix it...
All right so this may be strange but...
I had no problem creating a bootable SD card for the Nook Color. Wanting the latest and greatest, I went for CM9.
I got Samian's larger CM9 image file so I could use the cm9 nightlies, which are too big for the boot partition of CM7 build.
Anyway, it all went great. Smooth as butter, no crashes, no fuss. So far everything works....EXCEPT, I don't know exactly how it IS supposed to work, since this is the first and only android device I've owned.
So I am in the strange position of having no real technical issue -- but I do have significant "user" questions.
Here are a few. 1. Android Marketplace seemed to install fine. But I end up going to google play when I hit the "shop" button. Is that right? Or is marketplace some kind of integrated app I should be able to use without google play coming up?
2. Can I access the files on my internal Nook Color memory -- i.e. can I read my books, or do I have to put them on the SD card?
3. Are all my apps always on? Is there a way to "shut them down"? Do I need to? Coming from a PC environment, I like to shut down a program when I'm not running it.
4. My "system" information shows (when look at running programs) that I have only about 500MB of RAM. Is there a way to use some of my SD card for more RAM -- or any other way to increase it?
5. Any kind of general user guide for CM9 out there? I realize there probably wouldn't be one specific to Nook Color, since in a sense this is very elaborate hack, but I am starting from scratch.
thanks so much. I've enjoyed the messing around, and I'm thrilled at how well it's gone so far. I got a lot of info from xda.
RevTom said:
All right so this may be strange but...
I had no problem creating a bootable SD card for the Nook Color. Wanting the latest and greatest, I went for CM9.
I got Samian's larger CM9 image file so I could use the cm9 nightlies, which are too big for the boot partition of CM7 build.
Anyway, it all went great. Smooth as butter, no crashes, no fuss. So far everything works....EXCEPT, I don't know exactly how it IS supposed to work, since this is the first and only android device I've owned.
So I am in the strange position of having no real technical issue -- but I do have significant "user" questions.
Here are a few. 1. Android Marketplace seemed to install fine. But I end up going to google play when I hit the "shop" button. Is that right? Or is marketplace some kind of integrated app I should be able to use without google play coming up?
2. Can I access the files on my internal Nook Color memory -- i.e. can I read my books, or do I have to put them on the SD card?
3. Are all my apps always on? Is there a way to "shut them down"? Do I need to? Coming from a PC environment, I like to shut down a program when I'm not running it.
4. My "system" information shows (when look at running programs) that I have only about 500MB of RAM. Is there a way to use some of my SD card for more RAM -- or any other way to increase it?
5. Any kind of general user guide for CM9 out there? I realize there probably wouldn't be one specific to Nook Color, since in a sense this is very elaborate hack, but I am starting from scratch.
thanks so much. I've enjoyed the messing around, and I'm thrilled at how well it's gone so far. I got a lot of info from xda.
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1. Market just was upgraded by google to Play Store. So it is operating properly.
2. You can access files from internal media memory (emmc). But you may have difficulty reading the nook books stored there. They are encrypted for your nook account (DRM). But you can install the android version of the Nook reader and log into your account and redownload them to your SD.
3. Don't worry about always on apps. Android was built for multitasking and has a very efficient memory management system. It does everything for you. It puts apps in memory for you so that when you go to them they are ready to start. Just being in memory is not using processor time so it is not a drain. Also Android will automatically remove apps from memory if it needs to.
4. Because of 3 above 512MB is a lot ram. There is really no need to expand it.
5. Off the top of my head I don't know of a manual, but I'm sure there are some out there. Just google search.
Most of the questions are Android related matters, so any google search about general Android, would do the job.
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Thanks Guys, I appreciate it.
Two follow up questions:
I am running ICS/CM9. Only been at it a day or so, but so far, no real problems. The screen might be *slightly* less responsive than the NC system, but it's not clunky -- maybe just a little slower, a little more prone to having to tap some things more than once.
1. I've seen many other posts of people raving about CM7 and how stable and zippy it is. Would I benefit from switching to CM7? Is it faster/more responsive than CM9 currently?
2. I was thinking of just finding another cheap micro SD and installing CM7 on it (rather than the dual boot thing, which would require me to wipe my current SD and start over). Any reason it wouldn't work to run CM7 off a different card?
thanks again!
It would be worth it for you to get another SD card and load CM7 on it to see the difference. I have used both CM7 and CM9 and love the interface of CM9 but do prefer the stability of CM7.
Learning your way around the systems can.be daunting, but stick with it - Google your questions, read the forums here. You will learn loads just using your nook.
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RevTom,
Only use a Sandisk Cl 2 or 4 microSD card for an SD install. Others don't work as well. This has been well documented here on XDA many times.
There is a high likelihood you will have a bad experience if you don't follow this advice.. (force closes.. slow response, ramdom re-boots, etc)
Search the web.. they are about as inexpensive as the rest. Sometimes Radio Shack has a decent price on them.. sometimes not..
RevTom said:
Thanks Guys, I appreciate it.
Two follow up questions:
I am running ICS/CM9. Only been at it a day or so, but so far, no real problems. The screen might be *slightly* less responsive than the NC system, but it's not clunky -- maybe just a little slower, a little more prone to having to tap some things more than once.
1. I've seen many other posts of people raving about CM7 and how stable and zippy it is. Would I benefit from switching to CM7? Is it faster/more responsive than CM9 currently?
2. I was thinking of just finding another cheap micro SD and installing CM7 on it (rather than the dual boot thing, which would require me to wipe my current SD and start over). Any reason it wouldn't work to run CM7 off a different card?
thanks again!
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1. Just a little faster, more stable. But you give up the tablet interface.
2. Only reason not to is inconvenience of manually switching the cards and of course your media files go with each card. But it will give you a chance to look at it and decide which you want.
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davidr415 said:
RevTom,
Only use a Sandisk Cl 2 or 4 microSD card for an SD install. Others don't work as well. This has been well documented here on XDA many times.
There is a high likelihood you will have a bad experience if you don't follow this advice.. (force closes.. slow response, ramdom re-boots, etc)
Search the web.. they are about as inexpensive as the rest. Sometimes Radio Shack has a decent price on them.. sometimes not..
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Yes, I've seen those threads -- maybe I can add some new info. I went with a SanDisk class 6 16GB. I didn't see the class-rating discussions until too late. There are some who also recommend staying 8GB.
However, with CM9, I've had no trouble using the class 6, 16GB. Maybe I just got lucky, or perhaps CM9 can handle the 6.
I'm glad your class 6 is working for you. Have you seen Racks thread in the development section for a dual boot SD card with both Cm7 and Cm9 on it? I did that for awhile. His instructions are pretty straight forward. You can have your books, pictures, music, etc. on the.SD card and use them with both systems.
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k8108 said:
I'm glad your class 6 is working for you. Have you seen Racks thread in the development section for a dual boot SD card with both Cm7 and Cm9 on it? I did that for awhile. His instructions are pretty straight forward. You can have your books, pictures, music, etc. on the.SD card and use them with both systems.
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Yes, I've seen the the thread. I would still have to wipe what I have so far, and I like the version of CM9 I've already got -- believe it came from someone called "Samian" or something like that.
One final question. For a single-boot SD OS, anyone have thoughts on the best CM7 to run with?
RevTom said:
Yes, I've seen the the thread. I would still have to wipe what I have so far, and I like the version of CM9 I've already got -- believe it came from someone called "Samian" or something like that.
One final question. For a single-boot SD OS, anyone have thoughts on the best CM7 to run with?
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Some swear by Mirage by mr666. It has been customized heavily so I personally like stock CM 7.2 RC3 from the Cyanogenmod site.
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Mirage-Kang no question.
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RevTom said:
Yes, I've seen the the thread. I would still have to wipe what I have so far, and I like the version of CM9 I've already got -- believe it came from someone called "Samian" or something like that.
One final question. For a single-boot SD OS, anyone have thoughts on the best CM7 to run with?
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My own setup involves Cm7 at main memory with 233 nightly and sdcard with Racks dualboot (kang Cm7 and ICS).
You should consider the fact that its easy to try other systems by just swapping Sd cards. Then you will find what you really like.
Unleashed from my Nook Color at 1.2G
Here's where I got my original CM9
android.sphsolutions.net/Encore/Nightlies/Misc/
The "generic 1.3" creates a larger boot sector to accommodate the larger cm9 nightlies.
Since the first post, I left that one on my larger, faster card (class 6, 16GB), and tried Racks' Dual boot. Cm9 seems to run a little zippy-er there, but I can't tell if that is the build or it is the fact that I'm running that one from an 8gb class 4 card (which is said to be better than a class 6).
Still favoring ICS/CM9 over CM7.
Any thoughts on file management for the free SD space? I am having mixed results with plugging the Nook into the PC. Sometimes I have full access to the free space/storage on the SD, and sometimes it shows up without any folders or files at all. (this is in Racks Dual boot, CM9)
Also, anyone remember off-hand where I can find the thread that tells me how to make CM9 the first (primary) boot instead of the secondary? I've traveled so much ground in these forums lately...
I rooted my Nook Color 3 years ago when I first got it. I was running all my roms on SD card. The last time, I installed Jellybean on SD card and it was working fine. As I had been running it for some time, I was concerned that the SD card could fail at any time. I decided to take the plunge and installed Jellybean on EMMC. Now my Nook Color is running much slower than when I was running it off the SD card. It takes a lot longer to load and apps are slow to open. Based on other posts, I had the impression the Nook Color would run faster from EMMC rather than an SD card. Does anyone have any ideas what I can do to improve performance? I'm ready to go back to my SD card and take my chances.
I have the exact same problem. It's so slow it's hard to work with. I was hoping someone would know a solution as well.
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