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Just got done talking to Amazon and discovered that I'm still in the window to be able to return the OUYA and get a full refund, so I'm taking that opportunity rather than continue to hope that the OUYA team will decide to deliver on the open console they promised.
After seeing how others have been treated and being ignored myself, I simply have no faith in their ability to deliver. Instead I see only more of the same, and instead of problems being fixed I see OUYA choosing to release version 2.0. If they'd screw over the kick-start backers, why wouldn't they screw over us too? The lack of communication, lack of transparency, lack of honesty make me think the OUYA have no future going forward and no vision beyond chasing the next customer at the expense of current ones.
Why would I stick around? To throw more good money after bad? Even if the community manages to paper around most of the issues plaguing the console, it will be at the expense of the console functionality--being able to just buy a game and play it, instead everything will eventually be through the Google Play Store (in which case what is the point of buying OUYA games?) or there will be all sorts of alternative stores trying to deliver OUYA Discovery store games without the OUYA team's blessings and that will only work for so long before it gets categorized as piracy...
What future is there here?
And please don't say XBMC, because one of the reasons I'm throwing in the towel is because I am unable to get my USB drive with all my videos recognized on the OUYA. That being the case, it's not even good to me as a Media Center device. Not when there are much better supported options available that I don't have to hack to make work all the time.
Emulation you say? What good is emulation with such a small internal disk and no real ability to expand the storage?
No, I'm done. But I'm wondering who else is thinking about walking away and returning their OUYA for a refund, and what are they planning on getting as an alternative?
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bornagainpenguin said:
Just got done talking to Amazon and discovered that I'm still in the window to be able to return the OUYA and get a full refund, so I'm taking that opportunity rather than continue to hope that the OUYA team will decide to deliver on the open console they promised.
After seeing how others have been treated and being ignored myself, I simply have no faith in their ability to deliver. Instead I see only more of the same, and instead of problems being fixed I see OUYA choosing to release version 2.0. If they'd screw over the kick-start backers, why wouldn't they screw over us too? The lack of communication, lack of transparency, lack of honesty make me think the OUYA have no future going forward and no vision beyond chasing the next customer at the expense of current ones.
Why would I stick around? To throw more good money after bad? Even if the community manages to paper around most of the issues plaguing the console, it will be at the expense of the console functionality--being able to just buy a game and play it, instead everything will eventually be through the Google Play Store (in which case what is the point of buying OUYA games?) or there will be all sorts of alternative stores trying to deliver OUYA Discovery store games without the OUYA team's blessings and that will only work for so long before it gets categorized as piracy...
What future is there here?
And please don't say XBMC, because one of the reasons I'm throwing in the towel is because I am unable to get my USB drive with all my videos recognized on the OUYA. That being the case, it's not even good to me as a Media Center device. Not when there are much better supported options available that I don't have to hack to make work all the time.
Emulation you say? What good is emulation with such a small internal disk and no real ability to expand the storage?
No, I'm done. But I'm wondering who else is thinking about walking away and returning their OUYA for a refund, and what are they planning on getting as an alternative?
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I for one am planning on using my OUYA as a paperweight. It looks quite good.
In all seriousness, I bought this never intending to bother with stock firmware, so when I get back to school I'll toss CM10.1 on it and use it to complement an ailing Logitech Revue. As a kickstarter backer though, I can't exactly return my unit, and I don't know that I'd feel good about selling it to anyone. Neat idea, awful execution on the software side.
That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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In all seriousness, I bought this never intending to bother with stock firmware, so when I get back to school I'll toss CM10.1 on it and use it to complement an ailing Logitech Revue. As a kickstarter backer though, I can't exactly return my unit, and I don't know that I'd feel good about selling it to anyone. Neat idea, awful execution on the software side.
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Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit.
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Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
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Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
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Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
Then I too was able to enjoy xbmc from my OUYA and was blown away by how well the video playback was. The problem is that I am unable to get my USB drive to mount ever since the latest update. And having to do a system reset every time I moved the OUYA somewhere to show it off and having to readd all my xbmc libraries and all my games got old after the third time. Worse was when mandatory updates hit and required me to do a reset because the update unmounted the USB somehow. Worse yet was when I posted about it on the OUYA twitter account and was completely ignored.
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Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
Without being able to mount the USB drive I am unable to use my OUYA for its purpose. By breaking the USB mounting as they have, the OUYA team have rendered the console unfit for its purpose. Is that clear enough?
--bornagainpenguin
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Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
Then I too was able to enjoy xbmc from my OUYA and was blown away by how well the video playback was. The problem is that I am unable to get my USB drive to mount ever since the latest update. And having to do a system reset every time I moved the OUYA somewhere to show it off and having to readd all my xbmc libraries and all my games got old after the third time. Worse was when mandatory updates hit and required me to do a reset because the update unmounted the USB somehow. Worse yet was when I posted about it on the OUYA twitter account and was completely ignored.
Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
Without being able to mount the USB drive I am unable to use my OUYA for its purpose. By breaking the USB mounting as they have, the OUYA team have rendered the console unfit for its purpose. Is that clear enough?
--bornagainpenguin
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If it did work, don't you think it might have just broke in the last update. They wouldn't include a USB port if they didn't want everyone to use USB HDDs. It broke, but they'll fix it. Can't see returning it because of one update bug.
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I'm rocking the hell out of my OUYA, with the Play store installed, sdcard enabled, and controller support becoming the norm I plan to be playing mine for a loooong time. It's a much more elegant solution than a phone or tablet with hdmi out. Yeah the OUYA store has a crappy selection, but that is about the only knock against it I have. Your loss man.
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If it did work, don't you think it might have just broke in the last update. They wouldn't include a USB port if they didn't want everyone to use USB HDDs. It broke, but they'll fix it. Can't see returning it because of one update bug.
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It's not just one update bug--before this to get it to work took a lot of jumping through hoops. And who says they'll get to fixing it in a reasonable time frame? Look how long it took for them to fix the overscan bug, people were waiting three or four months with an OUYA that couldn't play most games.
Maybe if I'd at least gotten a response or a promise that they were working on it, I might stay, but the silence from OUYA has been very telling. Amazon already refunded my debit card, so I don't think I have a choice at this point, even if I found out there was an update this afternoon that fixed everything.
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bornagainpenguin said:
Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
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The stock launcher is horrible. I didn't think it was bad until I tried out BAXY, now I know it is utter crap. The BAXY developers have made a better launcher in 2 weeks than OUYA did in a year.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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Thats already what it is. It is both.
Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
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Who said you didn't like it? Let's see... *Reviews thread* Oh, I did. You returned it because something went buggy for you in an update that took place exactly one week ago. ONE WEEK. Hell, Sony borks an update on the PS3 a few times a year, and the latest one took what, 3 weeks for them to patch? I wonder how many PS3 owners returned their POS3's during that time period...
No, it doesn't sound like someone that didn't like their OUYA, it sounds like someone that is unrealistic and doesn't understand how dynamic the firmware and software is these days. In your opinion, they should have just seen there is a problem, clicked "FIX USB BUGS" on their SDK interface, and sent out an immediate update.
Right?
Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
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Yay?
Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
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Strawman argument? What is this, 1856? I didn't say anything sounded funny either. I reviewed the Amazon page for the OUYA, and yes, it says...
Need more storage? No problem. Just plug in an external hard drive into the USB 2.0 port.
So I agree, that would be basic functionality since it was listed to be a feature on the device. Did they screw it up? It looks like for some, yes, they did. Do you want a quick fix that borks something else or do you want them to fix it right, along with some other things, and submit an update once a week instead of once every day or two?
Oh, and don't pretend that "Amazon has listed as my reason for return 'Defective' hardware". You listed it as that for your reason of return, I've returned enough to Amazon to know how it works. Even that reason would be wrong. Your hardware is fine, the software has a defect. For now.
I guess I should return mine too since my USB mouse/keyboard combo keeps logging on as controller one. Amazon will list this as "damaged in shipping"
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The stock launcher is horrible. I didn't think it was bad until I tried out BAXY, now I know it is utter crap. The BAXY developers have made a better launcher in 2 weeks than OUYA did in a year.
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I guess I'd have to try out BAXY for myself to 'get' the improvement. I stand by what I said for now though, based on my use of the current store it doesn't strike me as all that bad.
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Who said you didn't like it? Let's see... *Reviews thread* Oh, I did. You returned it because something went buggy for you in an update that took place exactly one week ago. ONE WEEK. Hell, Sony borks an update on the PS3 a few times a year, and the latest one took what, 3 weeks for them to patch? I wonder how many PS3 owners returned their POS3's during that time period...
No, it doesn't sound like someone that didn't like their OUYA, it sounds like someone that is unrealistic and doesn't understand how dynamic the firmware and software is these days. In your opinion, they should have just seen there is a problem, clicked "FIX USB BUGS" on their SDK interface, and sent out an immediate update.
Right?
I reviewed the Amazon page for the OUYA, and yes, it says...
Need more storage? No problem. Just plug in an external hard drive into the USB 2.0 port.
So I agree, that would be basic functionality since it was listed to be a feature on the device. Did they screw it up? It looks like for some, yes, they did. Do you want a quick fix that borks something else or do you want them to fix it right, along with some other things, and submit an update once a week instead of once every day or two?
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Ha-ha-ha....yeah, that's exactly what I wanted! The OUYA team needs to just press their magic doo-hickey in their super duper OUYA SDK and reenable large disks support, all the while serenading us with music from unicorn horns and rainbows coming from every television set! How did you know?
Only, sarcasm aside and all your attempts to make me out to be foolish to the contrary--yes, that is exactly what I do expect to see happen. I expect the OUYA team to fix what they broke. What I start to suspect is deliberate breakage.
Hear me out please. And help me to understand please how any other conclusion is a better one to fit the details...maybe you'd rather pretend the OUYA team is simply incompetent? Although honestly I'm not quite sure how that makes things better...
Let's look at the facts, shall we? All it takes to fix USB external hard drive detection is root installation of the Paragon app. That's all that needs to happen, then the external storage will work again. Will work without a need to do a system reset every time you plug in the drive or jump through other hoops. This is something I've been told over and over again and seen others told over and over again whenever the issue of large USB disks not mounting was brought up--just root and install Paragon and your troubles will be over. It's easy.
I've also seen mention of a script which could run which would make needed changes in vold.fstab (a bit more understanding of the system needed to accomplish but easy enough if you know what you're doing and can follow instructions.) Since not everyone is comfortable with editing system files the easy button is to simply use Paragon and this is why it gets recommended so often.
Meanwhile I sit here just amazed that an external application can do what the OUYA developers seemingly cannot do and will not discuss doing. Are we really supposed to believe the makers of the system are unable to fix so simple of a problem as this because it is so extremely complicated---booooooooo--be very very scared---booooooooo....and yet outsiders can program an app that can do it apparently without breaking down a sweat? Really? Maybe incompetence is looking to be a better rationale after all?
No, as I said before this whole thing stinks to high heaven and between the USB bug (which looks less and less like a bug every day that goes by without an official fix) and the overscan bug which if posts by people who suffer from it are to be believed is only a bandaid that did nothing to fix the actual problem, the locked bootloader, the lack of root, lack of openness, large numbers of people on kickstarter who still haven't gotten their units, DRM that makes you depend on OUYA being there to continue playing what you paid for, etc etc...it starts to look like a pattern. And with the lack of communication it's impossible to know if things are ever going to be different.
I'm not hopeful. I posted this thread in hopes of someone giving me a reason to find hope again, to decide to stick it out and expect things would get better and no one has. So tomorrow after work when I can finally have some time to head over to the UPS pick up while the store is still open I'll be taking the printout Amazon sent me and returning the OUYA to get my money back.
I've seen others also making this decision and posting about it too. Maybe if enough of us return our devices the number of people saying no sale and voting with their wallets will be enough to make the OUYA team wake up and fix things. If they're as incompetent as you seem to think they are, I'm not sure how much good it will do though....
--bornagainpenguin
I think most of the problem with not having root, which is the root of a lot of problems, is that the device is being made for more than the members on this forum and other developer communities.
The device needs to be user friendly to some degree. If they start making root a standard, than those who don't know otherwise will start bricking their consoles left, right and center
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The device needs to be user friendly to some degree. If they start making root a standard, than those who don't know otherwise will start bricking their consoles left, right and center
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All OUYA would have had to do was made it accessible via easter egg, similar to how developer options are enabled now on most roms by tapping the build number. They could even have paid homage by making it be the Konami code that unlocked things.
It's not *that* hard and is what they promised.
Most of the user friendly issues could be resolved by having a working recovery that allowed backups to be created before messing with the system. Something like CWM....
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bornagainpenguin said:
Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
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There's no accounting for taste. I'm glad it worked for you-- for me, it was a thoroughly unpleasant experience (probably made worse by the physical arrangement of the OUYA buttons on the controller, which for me are simply confusing). It just looked and felt very tacky to me, and seeing how paltry the native settings menus were before the system rolled over and coughed up the Android native Settings app made me feel like I was running someone's first theme.
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The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
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For a storefront that ostensibly wants to highlight breakout titles as well as expose others, I found the display to be a fairly uninteresting grid that made it hard to see any given titles as standout. In their defense though, I was never really interested in the stock OUYA firmware.
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I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
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Ditto.
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It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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More or less yes, and if I could do it again I would definitely have opted for a different solution (probably one of the upgraded Google TV sets). Although I probably will enjoy messing with the OUYA later (not having a good TV at home makes this hard), I must confess that my interest in messing around with ROMs has been fading fast over the last few months (more or less coinciding with swapping out my Galaxy Nexus for a HTC One). I still primarily own and use Nexus to tinker, but for the TV? I kind of want to be a bit lazier there.
Anyway, as for what you were saying earlier, I doubt the bugs are out of deliberate malice but unintentional/unconscious priority bias. They're out to make money first over encouraging a dev community, which is understandable, but it means that any fixes and resources aren't going to go where we'd like. OUYA has had a sort of Jekyll/Hyde thing going for a while now-- is it a consumer product? A dev box? Both? It's harder than I think they realized to be both.
In the end I just couldn't do it. Subconsciously I guess I really didn't want to return my OUYA because I kept checking to see if there'd been any updates and putting off the return. It didn't help that I had to work overtime all week and kept missing the window where the drop off for UPS is. I finally got a hold of Amazon and cancelled the refund.
Nothing has changed, all of the issues I mentioned before still exist, but I just can't let go. If---a big gamble as far as I'm concerned---but IF the OUYA team do manage to pull themselves up from the tailspin they're currently in and fix the system so it'll do all that they promised us from the beginning, the OUYA has the potential to rule the family room. The truth is nothing else seems to be aiming for the same heights that the OUYA is. There are so many things they have right that it just frustrates me all the more when something doesn't work right.
And most of these things they keep getting wrong are things that are easily fixable! I think someone in the thread said that the launcher baxxy was banged out in two days? I see a fix for the USB problem was posted almost immediately on the OUYA developer forums in June. An app has been developed and posted that allows a one click root via a big button, just like we were promised... Like I said, frustrating.
But I'm in. For as long as the OUYA works, or can be made to work. For as long as there is a community who wants to keep going forward.
I apologize to anyone who thought I came off a troll, honestly I wasn't trying to be.
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In the end I just couldn't do it. Subconsciously I guess I really didn't want to return my OUYA because I kept checking to see if there'd been any updates and putting off the return. It didn't help that I had to work overtime all week and kept missing the window where the drop off for UPS is. I finally got a hold of Amazon and cancelled the refund.
Nothing has changed, all of the issues I mentioned before still exist, but I just can't let go. If---a big gamble as far as I'm concerned---but IF the OUYA team do manage to pull themselves up from the tailspin they're currently in and fix the system so it'll do all that they promised us from the beginning, the OUYA has the potential to rule the family room. The truth is nothing else seems to be aiming for the same heights that the OUYA is. There are so many things they have right that it just frustrates me all the more when something doesn't work right.
And most of these things they keep getting wrong are things that are easily fixable! I think someone in the thread said that the launcher baxxy was banged out in two days? I see a fix for the USB problem was posted almost immediately on the OUYA developer forums in June. An app has been developed and posted that allows a one click root via a big button, just like we were promised... Like I said, frustrating.
But I'm in. For as long as the OUYA works, or can be made to work. For as long as there is a community who wants to keep going forward.
I apologize to anyone who thought I came off a troll, honestly I wasn't trying to be.
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Trust me if you think OUYA have made a pigs ear of software you've never had a really bad Android box. I put up with the Minix Neo X5 for 6 months before binning it. That was a truly god awful pile of crap. I've done more with the OUYA in a month than I did in 6 with the Neo. Sure, it's not perfect... but it's on the right track.
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That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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Would you rather he write a post saying "I dont like the ouya it isnt open and i want my money back." you know there are people who do post that way, be happy he detailed his experience.
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Trust me if you think OUYA have made a pigs ear of software you've never had a really bad Android box. I put up with the Minix Neo X5 for 6 months before binning it. That was a truly god awful pile of crap. I've done more with the OUYA in a month than I did in 6 with the Neo. Sure, it's not perfect... but it's on the right track.
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Well my first Android was a Pandigital Novel, so.....
Yeah, I get what you mean though. I was looking through the competition while I was unable to get to the UPS drop off point and kept thinking to myself that even with the stuff that OUYA's gotten wrong, they're still so much further ahead of the curve than anyone else! But that's why it's so frustrating to see them missing this stuff and ignoring the requests of their customers to fix things already. I really don't think it's as hard as people are pretending it to be.
--bornagainpenguin
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I really don't think it's as hard as people are pretending it to be.
--bornagainpenguin
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Your absolutely right if you look in the lk bootloader source it's really easy to make a button to get into bootloader. Alot of the other issues would only take someone with the source code a day or less (per issue and some one who is familiar with it).
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Your absolutely right if you look in the lk bootloader source it's really easy to make a button to get into bootloader. Alot of the other issues would only take someone with the source code a day or less (per issue and some one who is familiar with it).
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So you see what I mean and understand why I'm so skeptical when people keep making excuses for them?
Like I said over at Ouya Forums, it's a two line edit thereabouts. If it can be done by you or I in vold.fstab as a dirty hack, there's no reason why the OUYA team with their access to the source code can't fix it properly.
The only thing I can think is malicious interference or sheer incompetence to explain their reticence in fixing things.
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I like my Ouya, and thank goodness they sent me a retail kit instead of a preorder kit. Maybe getting it really late is a blessing in disguise.
I agree with a lot of things said in this topic RE: the makers of this box. The hardware's fine (well mine was), but their customer service support is lacking. I haven't seen this much reputation damage since XBAWKS. (not XBone, XBAWKS).
If the dev community is not happy and abandons the thing... at least the controller is salvagable. Not as good as the X360 or PS3's, but decent and better than the unusual Wiichuck, more comfortable than a bluetooth clip gamepad, no proprietary connection protocols and no MAC address hacking needed.
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That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
Blasted from my Samsung Galaxy SIII (CM10.1 Masta Mix).
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RED ZMAN!!!!, how make work CIFS.ko modules in ouya
i need mount NAS server in my home and add this munt at startup.
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Ariel
This whole issue with the Sprint variant of the LG G3 lacking a viable root method has me extremely pissed off.
Not at Sprint or LG. I recognize that it's not in their best interest to make or sell phones that can allow root access with a simple button press. The damage that the average phone user could do would bring their tech support services to a standstill.
Of course, I'm not pissed at the XDA developers. Most of these guys do it for the challenge, and it's not a cheap hobby. Throw in minor distractions like jobs and family issues, and it's easy to understand why they don't jump when people demand that they throw their undivided attention at a device that they may or may not ever really use.
No... I'm pissed at myself. I'm annoyed at my lack of initiative, as I sit around watching the weeks roll by waiting for someone to find a solution to a problem I may be capable of solving. Don't get me wrong... I'm no rocket surgeon who thinks I can do whatever I want through sheer will power. I respect and appreciate the difficulty of developing in the Android ecosystem. But, I also realize that all these developers started somewhere, and all it took to start the ball rolling was the desire to make devices do exactly what they wanted.
Back about 25 years ago, MAME was in it's infancy (it's an arcade game emulator... look it up). I was hoping that someone would make a decent full-size MAME cabinet that would accurately simulate the look and feel of an actual arcade game. After a year of waiting, I lost my patience. I bought a donor cabinet, reverse engineered a front-end that I thought showed promise, and started reading... A LOT. It took a lot of soldering, and trial and error but I ended up with something that I felt was better that anything I'd seen previously. In hindsight, it kinda sucked, but 6 versions later I had a polished arcade emulator that I still own and it's a proud centerpiece of my rec-room. The point of this in not to blow my own horn, but to illustrate that with the right initiative and ability to perform a Google search I could make something that I wanted without having to rely on others. Granted, I did have to rely heavily on the countless people who took the time to document their own technical experiences, but they put it out there for a reason.
I don't expect everyone to follow my lead, but I'm hoping to possibly light a fire under a few people who might have felt the occasional urge to get under the hood of their Android device. If anyone can point me toward a good starting point for developer education, I'd be greatly appreciative. I'm dying to get going on this, and I realize that there will be a root method for my phone looooong before I can even tweak the most elemental code. BUT... I'm hoping that I might be able to help myself and others when I buy my next device, and I challenge anyone who's managed to read all of this novel to do the same.
Might want to fix that ENTER key first.. Your message is good but I have this image of someone frothing at the mouth with the rambling and lack of structure.
I think things like ROOT and bootloader unlocks are a bit beyond the casual hacker these days though.
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I think things like ROOT and bootloader unlocks are a bit beyond the casual hacker these days though.
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For the most part, yes. But the exploit that allows root via PurpleDrake is so simple I bet even I could have connected the dots if I had known about the alternate recovery. It was essentially an open door. Of course, I have the benefit of hindsight and I'm still just speculating because I understand how that method works as far as what adb would show about which directories were mounted RW. Knowing what was actually going on in that environment regarding the backup service and how the temp directory was handled by the recovery system took somebody with deeper knowledge and the means to analyze the system behavior.
jcase said himself that he's invested thousands of dollars in hardware that let's him do exactly that, not to mention the hours he and others put in. Like you said, vulnerabilities are getting harder to find with every release, patch, update, etc. And I'm just talking about getting enough access to the file system to slip in the su binary. I don't even know how one could attack the bootloader.
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Since I'm active member of this section, I'll begin questioning here. Should I commit to building ROMs in the future, I'll post elsewhere as my edumacation broadens.
I spent 10 years in IT as hardware tech, tech support manager and systems admin. When the economy tanked on '08, the company I worked for quickly began to fold. By '10, I was out of work. I spent the last year with the company closing down call centers in Northwest Indiana and Illinois. Centers across the nation began doing the same. I watched laborers dismantle these centers and throw away hardware by the dumpster load. It was unreal. As part of my 'severence package', corporate allowed me to cart away anything I wanted. Server cabinets, Cisco routers, dialogic servers w/T1 cards and 5 monstrous Intel servers, among other things. Most of the hardware sold quickly except for two Intel SSHCBPBK servers. They ended up in storage.
Long story short, storage gets cleaned out and two servers emerge from the dark. These SQL servers still boot. I forgot the specs and started hunting for info today. Coincidentally, while searching, I found my FS post from '09. That caught me by suprise. Quad Xeon , ICP Vortex raid cards, 10 SCSI drives per server, yada yada yada. Loud and power hungry. The kick in the balls is they only have 1GB ram each.
https://hardforum.com/threads/sale-trade.1385541/
My question is this: can these servers be utilized to build ROMs? Overkill? Too old? I would imagine I'd have to bump up that ram count significantly. I'm not even sure I could get old ECC RAM to fill it. Let me know what you think. If it's feasible, and I commit to it, I'll go from there. Since I have no immedite plans to dump the Axon 7, this would be a good starting point to learn and hone my skills. I might even revive my old LG G3 as a practice device. If not, I'll pitch these heavy behemoths and consider other options. I have a lot of hardware collecting dust.
The quest beings now. I have plenty of reading to do as I get back to my roots. Quite exciting. Transitioning from white collar IT to blue collar laborer was a struggle. Regardless, my passion for tech lives on. I hope to contribute to the ROM community in the future.
I would think a modern and fast quad core with hyperthreading and a shed load of RAM talking to a RAID array would be the best system for compiling ROMs but I'm no IT expert.
Anything old will be inefficient? I have stuff from times past collecting dust. Probably turf it in the bin when I have spare time. One of the issues is continued relevance running modern OS and software. Old hardware is a PIA.
I tried building a little while back when I wanted KCAL on stock N as there was no community development for it. I ended up stuck due to ZTE kernel source being incomplete.
While searching around information and guides I found it's a common recommendation to try Google Cloud Platform. First year or so trial is free with no obligations, saves a whole lot on hardware as well as getting and keeping it running. It's priced for large corporate use so personal consumption doesn't even cost much in their pricing scheme, especially compared to owning matching hardware. It's pretty nice commanding state of the art hardware and networking with just a touch of a login. It's actually a better way to try out building to see if it's for you and decide from there. A hurdle with building in our situation for a beginner is ZTE beta source code.
I'll definitely keep that in mind. Thanks.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I am a long-time fan of the now-dead WebOS, (formerly PalmOS). Back in 2011-2013, I probably had 6 or 7 different WebOS phones, and found the hardware and the software to be superior in user experience than any others. The problem was that that was the big explosion era for Android and IOS, so WebOS got pretty overshadowed, and HP, (the new owners at the time), decided to axe any further development, and ended up selling the OS to LG, who has developed it further for TVs and stuff, (I don't have all of the technical details straight, but that's a superficial summary). Anyway, recently, out of nostalgia, I pulled out an old Veer, and bought a new Pre 2, and went back into the WebOS forums realm to get a fix of my old favorite, and I was pleasantly surprised to see the work of the community to keep WebOS alive. There is an archive of hundreds of app files available on ftp, (all abandonware available for free - even the paid apps from HP catalog), ongoing development of apps and patches to keep WebOS working with all of the changes in technology, (including updates to Preware - the unofficial dev app catalog, started way back then), and LuneOS, an open developers version of WebOS, which can be built for modern phones, and which was just updated - https://pivotce.com
I think the XC is a perfect candidate for LuneOS, being small, currently affordable, (one upside to the short lifespan of official support), and having pretty good specs. Plus, there's already plenty of foundational development needed for supporting porting, (Lineage, AOSP, and even a partly-working Halium - https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/103). For anyone familiar with building/porting, the work needed to be done to build LuneOS for XC is minimal.
My problem(s): I am not familiar with building/porting. I am happy to test and learn, but I also currently don't have any regular access to a Linux computer, and even if I did, it would take me a looonng time to figure out from scratch what someone else could probably do in no time, since all of the elements are in place, (I checked with WebOS devs, and they said with what's available, building for XC is '... mostly a matter of configuration').
So, anybody out there with an XC want to do a build for us?
@harryharryharry @oshmoun ...?
Sorry, I'm not even remotely close to having the capabilities to pull a stunt like this, I think I'm currently in the same boat as you (minus the linux part)
Having said that, here's hoping someone more knowledgeable jumps in and picks up this interesting project. I'm willing and able to test and provide feedback as well of course.
Hello developers of XDA!
I'm Rox, a Razer Vanguard and i'm here to let you know that the Audio Source is now available for the Razer Phone 2! You can now find the complete source code on the Razer Developers website here
I'm glad you all now have access to the full open source material and we can finally see some movement on the custom development we all know from Android
I would also like to take this opportunity to ask the developers of XDA for some feedback. Is there anything stopping people in particular supporting the device in the community with custom ROM's and Kernels? And is there anything that Razer could do to help?
This is by no means any assurance but I will gather all your feedback and pass it on.
The community is the most important thing to a product and I will continue to raise the communities voice as much as possible.
Thank you so much for the time!
Rox - Razer Vanguard.
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Hello developers of XDA!
I'm Rox, a Razer Vanguard and i'm here to let you know that the Audio Source is now available for the Razer Phone 2! You can now find the complete source code on the Razer Developers website here
I'm glad you all now have access to the full open source material and we can finally see some movement on the custom development we all know from Android
I would also like to take this opportunity to ask the developers of XDA for some feedback. Is there anything stopping people in particular supporting the device in the community with custom ROM's and Kernels? And is there anything that Razer could do to help?
This is by no means any assurance but I will gather all your feedback and pass it on.
The community is the most important thing to a product and I will continue to raise the communities voice as much as possible.
Thank you so much for the time!
Rox - Razer Vanguard.
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Thanks for the info, I'm waiting for my phone to arrive. I hope to start playing with the ROM very soon.
What's a Razer Vanguard?
It's like their tech support reps, except they're a little more involved. Already dealt with one on their site, and he was very helpful and responsive. Most replies were within just a couple hours. Seems like these guys actually use the hardware they support, and don't treat the users like idiots. Nice to see this, especially since they just laid off most of their phone division. Hopefully this is a sign of better things to come. This phone is a beast.
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It's like their tech support reps, except they're a little more involved. Already dealt with one on their site, and he was very helpful and responsive. Most replies were within just a couple hours. Seems like these guys actually use the hardware they support, and don't treat the users like idiots. Nice to see this, especially since they just laid off most of their phone division. Hopefully this is a sign of better things to come. This phone is a beast.
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That is essentially it! Thank you for the kind words, I'll be sure to pass it on to the team. We definitely do use the hardware we help with and for me personally the Razer Phone is my specialty but we all have experience with most Razer products.
I think there are two main things I would like to see:
1. Earlier factory images and the release of ota updates. It would be nice for those who have yet to get pie, for example.
2. Though I realize it's unlikely, the release of the device tree would really be a big boost to rom and kennel development
I second earlier factory image and source releases.
On another note. The sources we have currently had a lot of header/build issues. As other Devs have pointed out(elsewhere) this was probably due to the sources being built out of the device tree but they still seemed weird as I've never seen that before and can't make out how a device tree would have changed that. Would it be too much to ask that some time be taken to scrub the sources better and maybe even have some basic build scripts or instructions? I realize this is contrary to my first point but it's the next best thing to a device tree.
It would be nice to get full android 9 images the same as android 8.1
I still do not understand - why there is no support for aptx, aptx hd, ldac?!!!
And you can't even install it like on most other phones, maby razer developers know how fix it?
Also, due to a strange signature system, most gsi roms do not work.
How about Razer Phone 1?
Now I'm not a gamer, just got a used RP1 from a moderator on the Swedroid forum quite by accident, as it were.
I really quite like it, the Sharp IGZO screen especially, same as on my Xiaomi Mi Mix1, which was the main reason I got it.
I have had zero problems with it so far.
ROM for Andorid 9
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It would be nice to get full android 9 images the same as android 8.1
I still do not understand - why there is no support for aptx, aptx hd, ldac?!!!
And you can't even install it like on most other phones, maby razer developers know how fix it?
Also, due to a strange signature system, most gsi roms do not work.
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+1 having the full image will save us a lot of time and will expedite the creation of mod ROM.
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I second earlier factory image and source releases.
On another note. The sources we have currently had a lot of header/build issues. As other Devs have pointed out(elsewhere) this was probably due to the sources being built out of the device tree but they still seemed weird as I've never seen that before and can't make out how a device tree would have changed that. Would it be too much to ask that some time be taken to scrub the sources better and maybe even have some basic build scripts or instructions? I realize this is contrary to my first point but it's the next best thing to a device tree.
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I was informed this is how all new MSM kernels are - they don't build properly out of the AOSP tree (it looks like Android's build system supplies some additional flags to the kernel make system to make it use some prebuilts and AOSP headers over the kernel-provided ones). I don't think this is unique to Razer, since it's a Qualcomm thing.
I've got build instructions for the kernel in my thread too if you need them.
Of course, I could be relaying incorrect information but this does seem like it's typical of Google/Qualcomm to be changing Open Source projects to fit their internal needs...
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Rox - Razer Vanguard.
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Can you guys get in contact with CurtisMJ on this forum and see about implementing his amazing Chroma logo alternative app, integrating features of it with the current Chroma logo app, or otherwise allowing us non-root users to systemize it?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/razer-phone-2/themes/beta-logo-oss-implementation-lighting-t3893981
It has a lot of features I want from the Chroma app, but I'm weary of rooting, especially now that Android 9 Pie has come out and no factory images for 9 Pie are on the Razer dev site. If you even wanted to put it in the next update and give users the option of which Chroma app they wanted to use, I'm sure CurtisMJ would think that was pretty neat, though you'd have to ask him. I mean, I'd personally pay to use it if it meant I didn't have to root. Maybe integrate it with the stock Chroma app, and charge $5 to upgrade to CurtisMJ's features, and then split the cash with him. Idk.
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Maybe integrate it with the stock Chroma app,.
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I wonder lol.
Interestingly I did see some code in the Chroma app which can grant use of the service to unprivileged apps. I think it was used to whitelist some other Razer component. Just opening up that functionality to users so they can "grant" Chroma access to apps of their choosing might be enough. Otherwise, if I could get a signed stub in the next OTA that'd be cool (and ridiculously unlikely, just to be clear)
Great comments everyone keep them coming!
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It would be nice to get full android 9 images the same as android 8.1
I still do not understand - why there is no support for aptx, aptx hd, ldac?!!!
And you can't even install it like on most other phones, maby razer developers know how fix it?
Also, due to a strange signature system, most gsi roms do not work.
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Yeah, coming from my Samsung S8+, LDAC is the thing I'm missing the most.
I would just like to say thanks to Razer for listening to their customers and trying to be helpful, so: Thank you! :good: :victory:
I'm not a developer, but whatever these other guys need to get TWRP working, I'm all for
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I would just like to say thanks to Razer for listening to their customers and trying to be helpful, so: Thank you! :good: :victory:
I'm not a developer, but whatever these other guys need to get TWRP working, I'm all for
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That's my goal atm to get the developers points of view and requests I'm proud of the community helping each other out so this is my next focus.
So far my feedback list has faster Factory images, and source code, device tree, more Audio Codec (APT-X AND LDAC) and a couple of other things I can't get into.
If anyone else thinks of anything lmk and I'll add it to my list to send on. I hope the right person sees it but again there is zero assurances that any of it will happen but this is where the voices matter.
Thanks again everyone!
Might be a little off topic, but since this is a gaming phone, why can't I pair my old ps3 controller? I even tried an old usb Xbox 360 controller, which a usb host test app successfully found the device. I would have hoped this would have been built in, being a gaming phone and all. I'm on pie and rooted, even when trying multiple previous methods of trying to get something the work, all the phone wants to do is charge the connected device.
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Might be a little off topic, but since this is a gaming phone, why can't I pair my old ps3 controller? I even tried an old usb Xbox 360 controller, which a usb host test app successfully found the device. I would have hoped this would have been built in, being a gaming phone and all. I'm on pie and rooted, even when trying multiple previous methods of trying to get something the work, all the phone wants to do is charge the connected device.
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Unfortunately the PS3 controller doesn't connect and act like a good Bluetooth or USB device. There is an app called sixaxis controller on the play store that allows you to connect a PS3 controller via Bluetooth, but it needs root and I don't believe it works anymore. There's also an app for wired PS3. It's not a Razer issue, it's a controller issue.
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Unfortunately the PS3 controller doesn't connect and act like a good Bluetooth or USB device. There is an app called sixaxis controller on the play store that allows you to connect a PS3 controller via Bluetooth, but it needs root and I don't believe it works anymore. There's also an app for wired PS3. It's not a Razer issue, it's a controller issue.
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Right, I tested it all. That app gets to the part where it tries to pull the Mac of the phone's Bluetooth adapter and simply can't. I'm leaning more towards the an Oreo/Pie issue. Seems to be driver related.