Below is the Acer W3 tablet that had an Amazon listing for USD$380 before it was pulled. Acer Finland now has posted the specs & pics: 8.1" display (reportedly 1280x800), Clover Trail Z2760, 2GB RAM, 64GB flash, micro-USB/SD/HDMI, 8hr (3.5Ah) battery.
http://www.acer.fi/ac/fi/FI/content/model/NT.L1JED.002
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This isn't a "real" launch, but a dry run for the Bay Trail models in Q4. The first giveaway is the $380 price (sans dock), which is even more than the iPad Mini, and is a guaranteed retail DOA. The second is that it doesn't have 8.1 update, and its 1280 res has this footnote at the bottom of the page: "The integrated display resolution of this system is below the threshold for snapping apps...This feature may be enabled by attaching an external display which supports a screen resolution of 1366 x 768 or higher."
Still we can glean some features from this as indicators of the upcoming Win8.1 "small tablet" crop. This particular tab has 16:10 aspect, which is a departure from the default 16:9 on all Win tabs (and most laptops/monitors) to date. IMO it's a big improvement, as it allows the devices to be more functional in portrait, and less awkward to hold in one hand.
Speaking of portrait, note that this tab is designed to be used in portrait mode by placement of the front cam and the Windows button. Another positive step.
Power efficiency looks good. The 3.5Ah batt is smaller than the typical 7" Android's 4Ah, and Mini's 4.49Ah, yet can still claim to 8hr usage. Hopefully Bay Trail can maintain this efficiency while boosting performance.
Office Home & Student 2013 is bundled. This corroborates an earlier rumor of lowered licensing cost for the Win+Office bundle for x86. The flip side is that this kills RT's main sales pitch. I don't expect any new RT product for this gen, except perhaps a refresh for Surface RT.
As with RT, I'm doubtful of the appeal of Office on mobile devices, since this version is still mainly for desktop and not touch. Functionality will be substantially reduced on a 8" display, and pretty useless w/o an external keyboard (as how most of these 8" tabs will be sold). Given MS' emphasis on services, I'm also surprised that it didn't instead bundle Office 365 with, say, 2-yr free sub. That would give O365 adoption a big jump-start.
Which brings us to the oversized dock. Its size means that "productivity" is limited to home use, as you won't be carrying this around with you. This highlights the perplexity of Windows-on-tablet: As of now, Windows is still very much a desktop, keyboard/mouse-driven OS, the nascent Metro makeover notwithstanding. The "desktop" is why people buy x86 over RT, but it was never designed for small mobile devices, and is an awkward fit at best.
Last, comes price. From this and Asus CEO's comments, my SWAG is low-300-ish for these 8" x86 tabs, and the dock will be $75-100 extra. I don't think they'll fare well against the $200-and-under Androids, many of which will be from the same vendors who make Win tabs. In other words, 3rd-party marketing support will be wanting.
I am really excited about this, and i think certain OEMs will prefer the windows echosystem in tablets over android as they already know it and have a very respected position and value unlike android (Acer, Lenovo, Dell, HP, MSI . . ) Win8 is there chance to enter the Mobile market, may be ASUS is the only vendor that can compete in the Android ecosystem but not for so long i think
- I think Acer will re-adjust the price and even at 380$ i think its a better value than the iPad or the Note 8 because you get much more flexibility, in this form factor you can think of the desktop mode as a complement to metro, whatever is lacking in metro you can use desktop mode for it but metro will be where you spend most of your time (web, video, chat . . .)
- The snap mode issue i think will be fixed with 8.1, right now i believe there is a hack to enable it
- This is definitely better than RT in every way, I think RT main purpose is to keep the possibilities on the ARM architecture open in the future and i think that Microsoft should really be merging windows phone and windows RT together in the coming years
- A sub 200 android tablet will be no where near the performance or the flexibility of a x86 tablet even RT tablets Have better SOCs already and will be priced very closely
I really think if Microsoft can pull the right price model + some UI tweaks in desktop they will own the tablet space in less than 2 years
Yes, $380 is early adopter pricing. Asus CEO has said 8" Bay Trail will be around $300, although the more conservative would peg it at low-$300. Either way, price will be bumped to ~$400 w/ keyboard dock, which is needed for "full" Windows rather than just Metro.
This and other Taiwan models should show up at Computex on June 4. We should also see the new 8" Surface at Build on June 26. I think Acer's oversized-keyboard solution is awkward and not portable, and am looking forward to see what Asus/Lenovo and MS have to offer. Some sort of fold-out keyboard cover would be a better option, although it still isn't as optimal as the clamshell form factor.
IMO the best solution is for MS to adjust the desktop UI to better accomodate touch, similar to what was done for Office 2013 UI. Per 8.1, that won't happen (although display scaling should be fixed). Hence the UX for naked tabs will be limited to Metro, which at this point is still primitive and nascent. I see this as another transition rev, and am already looking to Win9 for more substantive improvements.
With the Surface 8", we'll also get guidance on whether the Surface line is a serious foray, or as "reference" models for vendors to follow. Ballmer has said Surface is a "real business," so I'd expect aggressive pricing & wide distribution to compete with iPads, as opposed to the present overpriced RT & Pro models that doomed them to irrelevance. The flip side is that a lowballed Surface will further antagonize OEMs, and cooperation will worsen. Exacerbating factors include the continuing commoditization of tablets, where even iPads are under pressure from Android. MS & Co will have to play ball with near-zero margin hardware, which means a big thumbs-up for consumers.
On the positive news (for MS), the long tail of Win7 along with MS' other rev streams will afford it a few more profitable quarters, regardless of the reception to the 8.1 crop. MS will get at least one more mulligan before the gravy train pops a gasket.
That's the beauty of windows 8, Vendors focus on the hardware and different form factors while Microsoft is focusing on the software, But then again the early adoption is very important in the mobile market, Imagine Microsoft started with WP7.5 instead of WP7 i know it would have been very different now, I hope they don't do the same mistake with windows 8
I really like the way Acer is going, New ideas and brilliant hardware (A full sized, non touch keyboard is a must for productivity)
>A full sized, non touch keyboard is a must for productivity
That's the crux, isn't it? Productivity on a smaller form factor.
The elephant in the room is that the keyboard as presently constituted can't be downsized, and it has defeated every attempt to shrink productive mobile computing beyond 10" size. The QWERTY/AZERTY layout (and sizing) has been with us since time immemorial, and there's been no real attempt to innovate it directly because of the high learning curve involved. Instead, present efforts at progress all work around it, eg touch screen, voice rec, gestures, etc. But none has the granularity, simplicity, and versatility of a tactile keyboard. That's why productivity is predicated upon it.
The present mobile computing paradigm has yet to come up with a solution to reconcile productivity with mobile. MS in its chase toward mobile has no real answers, either. Its attempt to push hybrids (read: mobile w/ keyboard) has gotten no traction. Neither have its Surface devices, based on a "flattened" keyboard that doubles as cover. The success or failure of Metro is actually irrelevant, because even if Metro succeeds as a touch UI, it still can't solve the productivity conundrum to make "desktop mode" disappear. And if Metro can't become a superset of "desktop," then we'll be stuck with a franken-OS for quite a while longer.
Somebody (probably not MS) need to innovate the keyboard.
The QWERTY/AZERTY layout (and sizing) has been with us since time immemorial, and there's been no real attempt to innovate it directly because of the high learning curve involved. Instead, present efforts at progress all work around it, eg touch screen, voice rec, gestures, etc. But none has the granularity, simplicity, and versatility of a tactile keyboard. That's why productivity is predicated upon it
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I agree with you on the innovation side, I think that if there is enough demand for it you will find all kinds of ideas coming along but sadly demand has to come first
The success or failure of Metro is actually irrelevant, because even if Metro succeeds as a touch UI, it still can't solve the productivity conundrum to make "desktop mode" disappear. And if Metro can't become a superset of "desktop," then we'll be stuck with a franken-OS for quite a while longer
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Metro isn't the start screen or the apps that runs in it, it is the design philosophy that focuses on content (fonts, icons, typography . . .), apply that to desktop and you get a metro desktop, hopefully microsoft is focusing on that
Desktop is what differentiate windows from any mobile os, it shouldn't be killed (taking away decades of apps) but should be more metro and more touch friendly with full multi touch/gesture/pen/voice support if microsoft can do that then i don't see any reason for going to any other mobile os
I have a samsung ativ smart and i use it almost 99% of the time instead of my pc, that couldn't have been possible without win 8 and i hope it keeps getting better
AMD Temash is looking very good in terms of power consumption...
The A4-1200 tops at 3.9W TDP... in other words, iPad form factor territory :good:
go0gle said:
AMD Temash is looking very good in terms of power consumption...
The A4-1200 tops at 3.9W TDP... in other words, iPad form factor territory :good:
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GPU wise its way better than clover trail but in RAW CPU power its lacking, Bay trail is not far off so we have to wait and see
Acer is really is really innovating this year
DynamicRam said:
GPU wise its way better than clover trail but in RAW CPU power its lacking, Bay trail is not far off so we have to wait and see
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Even the quad core version ? That is a bit disappointing considering that clover trail is really old..
I think the AMDs also support more/faster RAM than clover trail.. the quad core paired with 6gb RAM should be fine.
Silvermont is at least 6 month away as far as I know.
The quad core will definitely be better but i don't think it will match the clover trail 10+ hours of battery life
Remember that clover trail has a TDP around 1.7
And a clock speed of 1.8ghz whereas the amd chips are 1.0 or 1.4. However 1 clock signal does not result in 1 processor cycle and different cpu instructions take a differing number of cycles to complete so who knows how they really compare (as I doubt the clocks>cycles>instructions relationship is the same for clovertrail and amd, hell, clovertrail and bay trail aren't even the same in that regard).
Re: AMD - Specs notwithstanding, it'll be tough for AMD to get design wins. Intel has always been ahead on power efficiency, and it's now closing the gap between Atom and Core where AMD is trying to target. Bay Trail is getting more (50%+) perf, and Haswell more battery life. Intel is also dropping price to compete against ARM, with $300'ish ASP for Bay Trail vs $500 for Clover.
The larger question is how well x86 tabs can sell, since Win8x still requires keyboard/mouse, and a keyboard dock will add to the price and bulk. The lower overall pricing should help, but the competition isn't standing still. There'll be iOS7 iPads, and Walmart is selling $99 7" Androids now.
I'm not a fan of the Acer W3 setup, ie with oversized keyboard dock. Aside from being fugly, it defeats the purpose of having a smaller tablet, and you might as well buy a 10". Credit to Acer for trying new things, but all of its weird designs have never caught on with the public. Anyway, this issue has already been solved a couple of decades ago, with the foldable PDA keyboard.
After the keyboard, you need a *precise* pointer (read: not your finger). The FlipStart UMPC below had both a track pointer and a mini-trackpad. These aren't as functional as a mouse, but they should suffice along with touch screen input.
Next up, what makes a Win device useful, aside from keyboard/mouse, are its USB ports and it-just-works USB connectivity. The Acer W3 and most mini-tabs will likely have only a single micro-USB port, which isn't enough. I'd like to see a battery-powered USB 3.0 hub w/ 3-4 ports.
Lastly, I want to see Microsoft take the lead in standardizing connector/form factor specs for these separate accessories so 3rd-party products can interoperate. This will help build a thriving ecosystem and drive down prices for accessories. But realistically, I expect MS to continue its Apple-wannabe ways with its own proprietary toys and ludicrous prices. It's why I'm looking beyond MS for my next transition. The world doesn't need another Apple.
BTW, looks like the first shoe on "software as services" has dropped on XB1, and we can kiss selling used games goodbye. MS: 1, gamer: 0.
I doubt we will see standardisation.
Hell, Asus skipped a beat in my opinion for not reusing the transformer docking connector (width of keyboard wouldn't have lined up but it would have maintained compatibility with their standalone dock, ethernet and usb adaptors).
I think the keyboards and trackpads for convertibles are currently HID devices on an i2c bus though, so if not compatible with the physical connector they may at least be electrically compatible if provided the correct adaptor cable. With i2c several devices can even daisy chain although a keyboard, mouse and accelerometer might already be occupying a fair portion of bandwidth, doubt you could double up on that.
No need to jerryrig connectors. Theoretically you can hang all your periphs off the micro-USB port w/ powered hub. It'll look a bit ghetto with the cables vs a snap-in dock, but you don't have to buy a separate (proprietary) dock for each toy. That, or go the BT route, but this last excludes high-bandwidth uses like with a HDD.
Bifold keyboards have sadly gone the way of the PDA, and battery-powered hubs are rare. Tabs are still new, and use cases are still limited to mostly streaming online stuff. Plugging periphs to a tab is still a geek's game. Maybe Win tabs can add new uses to the mix with a "productivity" OS onboard. Here's to hoping that bifold KBs make a comeback, along with them yummy red Thinkpad nipples.
The new Surface 8 (probably a Bay Trail) should come out at Build. I'm hoping MS can at least do a portable, self-powered dock and not just a shrunken keyboard cover. But my optimism for MS is at low ebb, so am expecting exactly the latter.
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The new Surface 8 (probably a Bay Trail) should come out at Build. I'm hoping MS can at least do a portable, self-powered dock and not just a shrunken keyboard cover. But my optimism for MS is at low ebb, so am expecting exactly the latter.
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You mean announced at Build.. I thought Silvermont is not shipping until q4/2013 - q1/2015
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The quad core will definitely be better but i don't think it will match the clover trail 10+ hours of battery life
Remember that clover trail has a TDP around 1.7
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1.7 .. wow, I did not know that. It explains the amazing battery life those machines get. I wonder if Intel would manage to keep that TDP with BayTrail... it might be hard to do considering the bump in performance.
From Anandtech
Form factors should be no thicker than Clovertrail based designs, although it will be possible to go thinner with Baytrail/Silvermont should an OEM decide to.
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In terms of absolute performance, Silvermont’s peak single threaded performance is 2x that of Saltwell. This 2x gain includes IPC and clock frequency gains (only 50% is from IPC, the rest is due to IDI, system agent and frequency). Given that Saltwell is competitive with existing architectures from ARM and Qualcomm (except for the Cortex A15), a 2x increase in single threaded performance should put Silvermont in a leadership position when it arrives later this year.
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The next set of bars is just as important. At the same power levels (Intel didn’t disclose specifically at what power), Silvermont delivers 2x the performance of Saltwell. Finally, at the same performance level, Silvermont uses 4.7x lower power. Given that Saltwell wasn’t terrible on power to begin with, this is very impressive. Without knowing the specific power and performance levels however, I wouldn’t draw too many conclusions based on this data though.
The multithreaded advantages are obviously even greater as Silvermont will be featured in quad-core configurations while Saltwell topped out at dual-core (4 threads) in tablets.
In the next two slides, Intel did some competitive analysis with Silvermont vs. the ARM based competition. The benchmarks are the same, but now we have specifics about power usage. In the first test Intel is comparing to three competitors all with quad-core designs. Intel claims to have estimated performance gains based on what is expected to be in the market by the end of this year. Intel’s performance modeling group is very good at what it does, but as with any estimate you always have to exercise some caution in buying the data until we have physical hardware in hand.
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The final performance comparison slide increases max core power to 1.5W and compares quad-core Silvermont to the quad-core competition. You’ll note the arrival of a new competitor here. One of the bars is a dual-core SoC with its performance scaled to four cores. I’m less confident about that particular estimation simply because it assumes Apple won’t significantly update architectures in its next generation of iPads.
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That’s the end of the Intel data, but I have some thoughts to add. First of all, based on what I’ve seen and heard from third parties working on Baytrail designs - the performance claims of being 2x the speed of Clovertrail are valid. Compared to the two Cortex A15 designs I’ve tested (Exynos 5250, dual-core A15 @ 1.7GHz and Exynos 5410 quad-core A15 @ 1.6GHz), quad-core Silvermont also comes out way ahead. Intel’s claims of a 60% performance advantage, at minimum, compared to the quad-core competition seems spot on based on the numbers I’ve seen. Power is the only area that I can’t validate based on what I’ve seen already (no one has given me a Baytrail tablet to measure power on). Given what we know about Silvermont’s architecture and the gains offered by Intel’s 22nm process, I do expect this core to do better on power than what we’ve seen thus far from ARM’s Cortex A15.
There is something we aren’t taking into account though. As of now, the only Cortex A15 based SoCs that we’ve seen have been very leaky designs optimized for high frequency. Should an SoC vendor choose to optimize for power consumption instead, we could see a narrower gap between the power consumption of Cortex A15 and Silvermont. Obviously you give up performance when you do that, so it may not ultimately change anything - but the power story might be less of a blowout.
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Below is Engadget's hands-on of the Acer W3 at Computex. Official pricing will apparently be 329 for 32GB (same as iPad Mini) and 379 for 64GB, in both USD and Euro. Keyboard dock is said to be €69, which should also be same in dollars.
The keyboard dock is battery-powered (2xAAs), and has no physical connector with the tab, so apparently it's a BT keyboard. The dock slot looks to accommodate only a single fixed angle. Also, no trackpad or trackpoint.
I'd be very surprised if Acer actually put this model on retail sale.
379$ including Office is not bad at all & you can attach any keyboard/mouse, I hope that they ship with a better display though
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ASUS launches VivoMouse, a wireless optical mouse with a multi-touch trackpad
Will it be possible to have 2 cpus on the Ara.. It will be a beast if it could .. ( p.s. sorry if i have mistakes! )
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Will it be possible to have 2 cpus on the Ara.. It will be a beast if it could .. ( p.s. sorry if i have mistakes! )
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I highly doubt it, I reckon the device would heat up so much and consume so much battery. Plus I think it will take a much longer time for two mobile cpu's to play nice with each other
I doubt it. It'd be cool if you could though but I still see no point as to why.
Yes, you could. The problem is that Android is not written to really use those two processors (its only recently getting support to use dual cores, much less quad) so it would just be a waste of energy and space.
good post
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Yes, you could. The problem is that Android is not written to really use those two processors (its only recently getting support to use dual cores, much less quad) so it would just be a waste of energy and space.
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I was going to suggest dual core. You beat me to it. Your post is good info; just like not jumping on a 64 bit bandwagon before devices have 8 or more GB of ram [not storage].
im sure it would be great to have two cpus but i feel like all that power would go to waste im sure it could bring more development but still what are you going to do with two cpu's at the current clock speeds we have now? the newest kindle fire is more powerful than my computer im sure quad cores are quite enough for phones cant believe they make octacores its a huge waste.
Dual processors in Project Ara devices.
Actually, from a functional standpoint, I see no reason to have dual CPUs. Android can't make use of a dual processor system, and if it could, what benefit would it provide in real time?
The system as it is, is too inefficient to handle the CPU commands, support the current demand of a dual CPU device.
With a dual CPU device, you also need to design additional power control regulation and filtering, additional battery support and ASIC devices to control the processor when demands are not being called upon, this adds a lot to the base architecture, and not really a financial benefit for a healthy profit margin. When you have finite board real estate for each individual module, you can't simply 'design-in' additional power control circuitry and maintain the same, or similar board dimensions, something has to give.
If we had everything we desired in a single device, I guarantess that device would be dimensionally unusable, the form factor would grow, costs would multiply, and with every feature added as 'standard', you would need to drag around a automotive-sized battery to operate all the options and features.
Personally, I prefer a robust Rf section, and then a modular antenna system that uses PIN diodes so I can select internal or external antennas if I desire. Next, I would like to have Bluetooth access to the entire phone system and file structure, so I can, in essence, 'clone' my phones parameters in a lab environment for testing applications and RF system compatibility.
The RF module should come standard with ALL known and used modulations, bands and coding, such as CDMA, GSM, WCDMA2000, TDMA, CQPSK and even 450 bands for Euro networks. Heck, I'd even like to see P25 thrown in for good measure, along with LTR and EDACS and OpenSky! ( I work with a LOT of RF radio networks, including trunked systems, so of course, I would love to have them all at my fingertips.
Off-Network communications is always a desire when you are in areas not served by cell sites, and point to point comms. is always useful.
Instead of sacrificing capabilities, how about increasing usefulness instead?
dual, quad, octa or more cpu cores are fit in one module i guess and yes android can't make use of dual cpu like servers.
2 cpus 1 phone
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Maybe utilize a 4.0 GHz overclocked x64 cpu?
Since Google just helped develop a new CPU for Ara this may be possible now
I could see 2 cpus as like an either or situation. Heavy load. Use the one for performance. Screen off or battery saving mode. Use a decent single core thats geared towards battery life.
The thing about Project Ara is the aim seems to be to bring smartphones to the level of customization that we see in PCs. We could very well see some manufacturers who get on board with Ara eventually make SoCs that support dual processors if they feel there is a demand for it. Another interesting thought is if there comes about a project where we could design our own SoCs. Technically it's already possible if you are a hardware developer. I looked into what it would take to do it once, and from what I found it looks like you have to be a hardware developer, own your own company, and form a partnership with a chipset maker(I.E. Intel).
Current apps don't even use all 4 cores properly let alone adding a second cpu
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Perhaps software in the system settings could detect the second cpu and allow you to allocate more/less power to separate processes and assign different apps to different cpus.
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I think that 2 cores is possible. 2 CPU depends on whether android can run it
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Since the Ara use Tegra x1 ,there's a great chance it has 2 cores.
Imagine how powerfull this phone will get in 1-2 years .. :thumbup::thumbup:
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Look here : http://androidcommunity.com/odroid-c1-sbc-runs-android-and-has-1gb-of-ram-20141212/
This is a computer with the same size as the Raspberry Pi, the same price, but with a 4x1.5GHz CPU ,Mali 450 GPU and 1GB of RAM. And it's running Android.
What do you think ?
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I purchased a raspberry earlier this year, however I haven't used it much lately. Main reason was to use it for media center purposes.
I've been hoping that at some point either the Pi or another company would release a device similar with Android on it.
Not quite sure what all it would be useful for other than media and game purposes though.
Banana pi runs android...
I have read your link. In my case, with little knowledge, I'd rather wait until there are much support on these devices.
However, it's really a good news, when there are many companies/organization release their board with competitive price.
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Banana pi runs android...
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Seen some reviews of that board (such as this one) - promising in hardware but a little vague on software and after-sales support. Although if Android can be got running on it properly then it's maybe one up on that score too.
I guess it depends on what you want it for - as a Media player it looks a bit dodgy at the moment, but if Android runs well enough and you can get add-on hardware side sorted (it's not compatible with Pi add-on boards) then it could be an option perhaps.
Other than size/ mounting, it is compatible with RPi add-on boards. The GPIO connector on it is the same pin out. As far as software, there is a port of Raspbian, Ubuntu and android for it. On the Banana pi website they have links and downloads. I have one and set it up in place of my RPi for my fish tank controller. Only major difference is the i2c bus is #2 instead of 0 or 1. For a media center, I don't know what you mean by Dodgy, but it is a dual core CPU vs the RPi is a single, it has 1G ram vs 256 or 512 MB on the RPi. My PiTFT touch screen display even works on it.
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Other than size/ mounting, it is compatible with RPi add-on boards. The GPIO connector on it is the same pin out. As far as software, there is a port of Raspbian, Ubuntu and android for it. On the Banana pi website they have links and downloads. I have one and set it up in place of my RPi for my fish tank controller. Only major difference is the i2c bus is #2 instead of 0 or 1. For a media center, I don't know what you mean by Dodgy, but it is a dual core CPU vs the RPi is a single, it has 1G ram vs 256 or 512 MB on the RPi. My PiTFT touch screen display even works on it.
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From what I'm hearing elsewhere the hardware acceleration for video decoding isn't working, so what you gain in the hardware speed you're losing again by having to do it all in software.
But that's second hand reports so I can't personally vouch for it (although I know my Pi does fine for the job).
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Look here : http://androidcommunity.com/odroid-c1-sbc-runs-android-and-has-1gb-of-ram-20141212/
This is a computer with the same size as the Raspberry Pi, the same price, but with a 4x1.5GHz CPU ,Mali 450 GPU and 1GB of RAM. And it's running Android.
What do you think ?
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I have a few Odroid C1s that I got from http://ameridroid.com/products/odroid-c1 . They work great for running Android. I even have one connected to a 9" 10-point touchscreen HDMI display I got for $120 and running Android on the C1 connected to the touchscreen is like running a really nice tablet. It also runs Android 5.1 if you download the image for it.
BTW, there's a video embedded on the C1 page I linked to above that shows the hardware acceleration is better than the Pi 2.
They also have a Pi-compatible for $39.95 at http://ameridroid.com/products/odroid-w-development-kit-as-is
I have one and it works great for anything you can use a Pi B+ for, plus it has a built-in 2.2" display. It can even be easily made portable with a $5.95 battery available there as well.
I've been really happy with the quality and value of the Odroid products.
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From what I'm hearing elsewhere the hardware acceleration for video decoding isn't working, so what you gain in the hardware speed you're losing again by having to do it all in software.
But that's second hand reports so I can't personally vouch for it (although I know my Pi does fine for the job).
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You can see results of a side-by-side comparison between the C1 and the Pi2 on video decoding here: https://youtu.be/lmt8xfqiPeU
SPOILER ALERT: The C1 wins.
I wanted to play around with a raspberry pie ever since I got my first arduino.
The board in the OP seems like a powerful beast, so should I grab it instead of the r-pi?
Has anyone successfully created a fully running android for the raspberry pi?
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Has anyone successfully created a fully running android for the raspberry pi?
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No.
Good evening.
Was looking at my Shield Pro 2019 sitting on the shelf, and an idea popped into my head; would it be possible to upgrade RAM and eMMC chips? I have no particular reason for this, besides pure curiosity.
I've got access to professional solder equipment, including rework stations capable of desoldering BGAs, xray equipment to inspect said BGAs and about 20 years of experience with soldering and reworking complex circuitry.
If I'm not mistaken, RAM chips are either Micron, Samsung or SK Hynix and the eMMC chip would also likely be supplied by either Micron or SanDisk.
So, disregarding the physical job desoldering/resoldering chips, are there any software issues that must be taken into account?
The eMMC would of course need to be flashed and repartitioned if upgraded to a larger size, but would the RAM chips require any software modifications after swapping them out or would the system simply accept a larger RAM size out of the box?
I've Googled a bit, but couldn't find any concrete information on what changes would be required on the SW/FW side of this.
Best regards, Tim
Unfortunately, this looks like one of those things where ripping it apart and doing the do would be the way to go. Maybe the least "invasive" thing to do would be a RAM upgrade, provided compatible chips of higher capacity are available. Theoretically you wouldn't need to touch anything on the OS side for a bump in RAM capacity. I think the Tegra X1 supports a maximum of 4GB of RAM and the X1+ supports 8GB - allegedly. I suppose the memory controller is built into the SoC itself so there's no tampering with that.
I don't know anyone crazy enough to do that for me... nor am I really willing to apply my very amateur BGA soldering skills on a device like this one.
xxhyp0crisyxx said:
Good evening.
Was looking at my Shield Pro 2019 sitting on the shelf, and an idea popped into my head; would it be possible to upgrade RAM and eMMC chips? I have no particular reason for this, besides pure curiosity.
I've got access to professional solder equipment, including rework stations capable of desoldering BGAs, xray equipment to inspect said BGAs and about 20 years of experience with soldering and reworking complex circuitry.
If I'm not mistaken, RAM chips are either Micron, Samsung or SK Hynix and the eMMC chip would also likely be supplied by either Micron or SanDisk.
So, disregarding the physical job desoldering/resoldering chips, are there any software issues that must be taken into account?
The eMMC would of course need to be flashed and repartitioned if upgraded to a larger size, but would the RAM chips require any software modifications after swapping them out or would the system simply accept a larger RAM size out of the box?
I've Googled a bit, but couldn't find any concrete information on what changes would be required on the SW/FW side of this.
Best regards, Tim
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Both was already done on Nintendo switch (also tegra X1/X1+)
Emmc is the easy part, ram is possible but you need to know which ram are supported.
Check l4s discord maybe there are some people who can help.
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