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[mini Guide] Note 1 vs Note 2 Worth the upgrade? Gamers beware & points to consider

[mini Guide] Note 1 vs Note 2 Worth the upgrade? Gamers beware & points to consider
I think it is important to realize the following, because the question comes up a lot
Should I upgrade from a Note 1 vs. Note 2?
This guide may help you show that each Note can stand tall on its own - except for the unarguable, exceptional battery life of the Note 2.
The phone (and probably screen) area remained exactly the same.
N7000: 146.9 x 83 x 9.7 mm ....;12193 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_n7000-4135.php )
N7100: 151.1 x 80.5 x 9.4 mm ....12163 ( http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_ii_n7100-4854.php )
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The N7000 has 10% (102400) more pixels (which naturally also consume power in terms of physical constraints on efficiency - depending on the display technology and of course computing power).
The diagonal often does not reflect screen size all that well, and has probably a historic basis (back when the only relevant viewing ratio was 4:3). You should consider a phone's display technology (and energy consumption), dpi, size and screen ratio.
If you write a lot, get the GN1, if you use your Note more for entertainment consider the GN2.
The Note 1 has 1 GB ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517200 ), the Note 2 has 2 GB of RAM. With Android becoming a flagship project and rapidly advancing software this is no longer sufficient. Restarting applications impacts CPU load, and thus the user experience and battery life.
The Note 2 has LTE
Both phones have the similar display technology but with different pixel layouts ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925185&page=2 ) and almost same software with the latest (pending) official updates...
The Note 2 Screen is brighter
Both phones have the same Exynos 4 processor generation. In Intel's parlance, the Note 2 features a new processor "Tick". Only the new Samsung Chromebook and Google Nexus 10 feature a new "Tock".
Both phones have a Mali-400MP Quad Core GPU ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos_(system_on_chip)) . The Note 2 has doubled its CPU power (Quad core) and is slightly more energy efficient. This is not sufficient to provide you with playable next-generation graphics. From what I have read many Nexus 4 buyers are to some degrees interested in gaming.
NFS Most Wanted (actually not quite next-gen) :
Blood and Glory: Legend, http://img.talkandroid.com/uploads/2012/08/blood-and-Glory-legend1-420x230.png
( http://www.talkandroid.com/129214-g...ry-legend-brings-next-gen-graphics-to-mobile/ )
Horn:
The Dark Meadow:
( Link: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/1...-engine-3-headed-to-tegra-devices-early-2012/)
Here is one of my tests ( http://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/english/ ) :
Compare this to 59fps:
You can benchmark NextGen graphics ahead of Futuremark's bechmark-suite release, via MOBILE GPUMARK.
http://www.siliconstudio.co.jp/english/benchmark_e.html
The Note 2 has long battery life. Less pixels, similar screenarea, 28nm Exynos, improved networking chips and 3100mAh vs 2600mAh battery in the Note 1, adds to up to twice the battery life of the already long-lasting Note1.
The Note 2 has Wireless charging and NFC
A gaming ready Note 2 competitor is already on the market,....but not from Samsung. The Pantech Vega R3 IM-A850L.
Some report Quadrant benchmarks of 7100 points. South Korean market only, atm!; ca 700$.
Specs:
http://www.gsmarena.com/pantech_vega_r3_im_a850l-5021.php
Please also read the user-comments for fact-checking and personal experiences. - This guide will be updated accordingly.
If I forgot something, please post it below...

You should get you facts straight before posting.
The screen on both devices are not exactly the same as you mentioned, they are different in sizes, resolution and more importantly pixel arrangement, making the screen of the GNote 2 sharper even with lower resolution. And no more black clipping !
And they don't have the same processor as you mentioned...the note 1 got a dual core and not a quadcore one
Not to mention the Note 2 is way more energy efficient so it's better aall the way, doesn't matter if are a gamer or a writer or whatever
The only thing to consider between these two devices is the price, that's all
Do you really own any of these devices?
Perhaps you just edit your first post, by adding this instead:
http://youtu.be/0i93I0w0fko
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betoNL said:
The screen on both devices are not exactly the same as you mentioned, they are different in sizes, resolution and more importantly pixel arrangement, making the screen of the GNote 2 sharper even with lower resolution. And no more black clipping !
And they don't have the same processor as you mentioned...the note 1 got a dual core and not a quadcore one
Not to mention the Note 2 is way more energy efficient so it's better aall the way, doesn't matter if are a gamer or a writer or whatever
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I have to agree with OP. Of course, it's always nice to upgrade if you have the money. But I actually used both Notes 1 & 2 and this is what i have to say about them:
Screen on Note 2 actually looks smaller. That's just an illusion caused by the phone's dimensions and screen ratio of course. Can't agree that Note 2 has sharper screen etc. to me they look exactly the same.
As for black clipping - that's probably the biggest difference between them, although i'm not so sure it's a hardware problem... it's present on Note, S2 and S3 - I've also seen it on Note 2 - it's better, but it's still there.
As far as CPU is considered - the OP mentioned that Note 2 "doubled" it's CPU power - which is also not really true. Going from 2 cores to 4 cores doesn't mean an instant 100% performance boost. It is much faster, but bear in mind that both devices run THE SAME MALI GPU. It's like putting new CPU in an old PC - it will run better, but don't expect FPS-miracles.
My conclusion:
1. Note 2 is great, if you have spare money and feel like upgrading - go for it, we'll all do it someday, but...
2. ...don't feel "left out" with your Note 1 because it's still a more-than-great device and for most of us Note 2 has nothing that requires an immediate upgrade if you don't have any spare cash for Samsung.

I actually prefer the looks of the Note 1 to the Note 2, For me, the Note 2 looks like an oversized Galaxy S3.
And my Note has no lag, I can play all the latest titles and have great graphics. For me, the Note 2 isn't a worthy upgrade from the Note 1.
I'll be sticking with my Note 1 until the release of the Note 3 (or some other similar device from a different manufacturer)

We badly need adev to come up with a oc kernel that we can use 2sd on. Loved it b4 jb, for the ram boost. Made a lot of difference.
The note 2 is not worth buying in the uk due to lack of 4g.
I'll wait as you said there is nothing wrong with the note one.
There are too many blogs, sites like cnet,etc, in the pocket of oems, to make us feel as if we are missing out.
From the man in your attic...

azzledazzle said:
I actually prefer the looks of the Note 1 to the Note 2, For me, the Note 2 looks like an oversized Galaxy S3.
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Same here. S3/Note 2 look good, but i really prefer S2/Note 1 design.

Once again , it's not about preferences, or which one to buy our how deep your pocket is...
It's about OP giving wrong technical info.
Just see the review I posted on second post of this thread and make up your mind
If I could not sell my Note 1 as good as I did, I would probably have not bought the Note 2 cause I was satisfied with it too
But I did and now I am more than happy with my Note2
It's already kicking it out of the box!
Hardware-and softwarewise, amazing features (see the video)
And that large battery makes a large difference too!
Happy user here
And don't speculate about devices that you never handled yourself...
And this thread oughtta be close, really...
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@betoNL. You corrected me. It is a community. I'd like to think, that everyone chimes in, in his own unique way.
I for one consider the N1 not a full upgrade but an expansion of Samsung's product line.
Don't speculate on me never having used GNotes.... - especially when I posted my benchmark result in the post

My thoughts on upgrading
Hi all, I would like to add my 2 Euro cents to this discussion. First of all I only own the Original Note (N7000), which is why I can't comment specificity on the Note 2 (N7100) but I would like to say something that might not have been brought up before.
With the holidays season coming, and with some frustration with the battery of my Note 1 (not claiming it is not good, as it is better than any smartphone I had before it), but still when reading a lot or taking notes I find that I get a bit worried when I am in a train or at a long meeting if it will last. It usually does, but still the extra peace of mind would do wonders for me. The only thing that I turn off (because I never use it) is bluetooth the rest is ON 99% of the time (my use pattern).
I bought my Note because of the possibility to take notes during meetings, but I find the device to be average at it. With the ICS upgrade it became much better (smoother) but still it is not as good as I would like it to be.
That is why I would like to know if the Note 2 has improved in this matter. If anyone that has tried them both could let me know, I would appreciate it.
Now for what I consider before I upgrade.
1) Is the device still supported and how long will it still be supported (officially, but most importantly by the XDA community)?
- in this the original Note had some problems due to the brick bug, which I blame for many good developers moving to a different device (it has been solved with the safe Kernels, but the harm has already been done).
2) Does it perform well in everyday tasks? Are there any tasks which I would find useful that it can't perform?
- So far the original Note has done a very well job at it. I can't think of anything that I could not do with it. Maybe the NFC chip would have been a nice addition as my mother's Galaxy S2 has one. But the important question for me is how much did the S Pen function improve from the N7000 to N7100 (feel free to come back with your thoughts)
3) Market value. (buying now Vs waiting for something else to come).
- Well maybe because I studied Management I always think of how much it is worth (2nd hand value) and compare it to the price of the next generation one.
As I am not rich (middle class income) I can't go and buy them as soon as they are released. That is why patience and good price searching are essential. As I look at it, Galaxy Note 2 is now priced new for 499 EUR. This is quite a drop from the 650-700 EUR I have seen it 3 months ago.
The original Note can still be sold for about 310-330 EUR (in a very good physical condition), all the original accessories and maybe a protective case and some screen protects, so I am seeing the upgrade would now cost me about 150-170 EUR depending on the selling price. That is not bad, in my perspective.
The real question is what will happen to the price of the original Note with the constant release of new devices by the competition. You have the Galaxy Note 2, but also the Nexus 4, HTC, LG and others are also launching bigger and better devices.
We can no longer claim it has the biggest screen and even normal smartphones (not phablets) are coming close the 5 inches. We can't claim the best battery life, as even the Galaxy S3 with its 2100 mah battery has better mileage (of course smaller screen, lower resolution and more efficient components have an impact).
And many of the good developers have already moved to the Note II, or if they did not move, they own one already and are actively developing on it.
All this makes me wonder if sticking with the original Note will makes sence, or if it will loose so much value that when something really cool comes (let's say that the Note 3 will be a huge upgrade) it will hurt my wallet almost as much as it did when I bought this one.
Sorry for the long post but these are my thoughts, feel free to come and bring your points of view on this topic.

bloodyduke said:
Lastly, I have often read that many Nexus 4 buyers are ultimately also interested in gaming - and that sentiment isn't always made clear.
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with 16gb of memory and no micro SD??
I doubt it... decent games these days take up gigs of space... you'd be lucky to fit 3 or 4 on one of those.
besides.. LG hardware, really ****.

The screen sizes do, whilst not by vast amounts, differ as do the processors. The Note 2 is superior in every imaginable way, but at the same time not a worthwhile upgrade in my opinion. Many of its software features are getting ported over with the upcoming Jelly Bean update, so only upgrade if you really want quad-core performance.

Both phones deffer in the conception - GN1 is phoneblet while GN2 is oversized phone. If you compare them in landscape mode the difference in the aspect ratio is eye pocking ...
But anyway - i wanted to understand which is the game from the first set of screenshots?

I can't see upgrading just for single gen bump in processor right now. The GN1 is plenty fast for everything right now. The new aspect ratio is a downgrade in my opinion. Its only 32px, but its the difference between a standard tablet res, and saying without the 800px design of some websites. Of course if I were buying new I'd still get a gn2, but I'll wait for the gn3.

Spo0f said:
Both phones deffer in the conception - GN1 is phoneblet while GN2 is oversized phone. If you compare them in landscape mode the difference in the aspect ratio is eye pocking ...
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OMG
Have you seen the pics?:
If you dont know , the wider one is the Note1, Which one you think is better to handle?
Did you see the comparison? http://youtu.be/0i93I0w0fko
This is too funny :laugh:
I'm out of here
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1. I haven't seen the picture - i'm holding them in my hands.
2. Did you saw the words "aspect ratio"?
3. Can you make a difference between aspect ratio and size?

I can second the statemet that the Note 2 is no worth updating if one already owns a Note. But I have to add that the OP just wrote down a list of incorrect or plainly false technical specs. Almost every word he wrote down about specs of the Note 2 is simply no true. It's not the same processor, the screens are very different (not the same technology).... Even though his intent was to help people decide which device they should buy he really should have read more before he posted.
Sent from my revived Galaxy Note

altae said:
I can second the statemet that the Note 2 is no worth updating if one already owns a Note. But I have to add that the OP just wrote down a list of incorrect or plainly false technical specs. Almost every word he wrote down about specs of the Note 2 is simply no true. It's not the same processor, the screens are very different (not the same technology).... Even though his intent was to help people decide which device they should buy he really should have read more before he posted.
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That's all I was saying, incorrect information given on first post
If one wants to upgrade or not, that's totally personal....
I made somebody very happy, by selling my Note1 to Him for 300 €
I sold another gps device taht was collecting dust in the drawer and only then, got me a Note 2
So me, myself and I , am also very happy with the Note2
Happyness to all
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Spo0f said:
1. I haven't seen the picture - i'm holding them in my hands.
2. Did you saw the words "aspect ratio"?
3. Can you make a difference between aspect ratio and size?
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My friend, the new aspect ratio + the new pixel re-arrangement, just make the Note2 a better phablet, and not an oversized phone as you mentioned, specially in comparison with the Note 2
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-2-display-comparison-112812/
Please. get real .....
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Bought GN2 after 1month gave it to my wife took back my precious GN1
GN2 is a great device its almost perfect that u don't even think u need to root it . Screen is better, processor is faster, s-pen smoother ( but use GN2 pen on GN1 screen u will have same performance) and last even the quality of sound when u do voice call is better.
All these stuff i don't give a sh*** about it coz the screen is squeezed and it's annoying while reading in landscape mode and even keyboard become small and its hard to type during landscape mode
Cheers
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betoNL said:
That's all I was saying, incorrect information given on first post
If one wants to upgrade or not, that's totally personal....
I made somebody very happy, by selling my Note1 to Him for 300 €
I sold another gps device taht was collecting dust in the drawer and only then, got me a Note 2
So me, myself and I , am also very happy with the Note2
Happyness to all
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My friend, the new aspect ratio + the new pixel re-arrangement, just make the Note2 a better phablet, and not an oversized phone as you mentioned, specially in comparison with the Note 2
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-2-display-comparison-112812/
Please. get real .....
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Please stop interpreting my words as you like.
I haven't said a single word about pixels, ppi, resolution, screen tech etc. I'm talking about aspect ratio - 16:9 vs 16:10. Which does not have to do with anything else but the width vs height ratio.

Brad387 said:
The screen sizes do, whilst not by vast amounts, differ as do the processors. The Note 2 is superior in every imaginable way, but at the same time not a worthwhile upgrade in my opinion. Many of its software features are getting ported over with the upcoming Jelly Bean update, so only upgrade if you really want quad-core performance.
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Except the screen. Believe it or not, but I do not want to sacrifice those 80 pixels. I generally zoom to pixel perfection within a pdf and then continue on reading at the zoom-level. I also considered it more spacious for taking notes on the go. I like to read page by page, not zoomed in paragraph by paragraph.
The Note 2 wouldn't even have made it onto my radar, had it not been for the insanely cool SPen functions and Wacom typical hover: A precision input device with hover is the minimum requirement for serious Remote desktop-ing.
I just read this battery report ( http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-battery-life-test-is-complete-here-are-the-results/)
Prior to that I read up on pentile displays, and that it is not for cost but energy efficiency.
Doe anyone know: Is pentile AMOLED the most efficient display technology on the market? How about Igzo displays?
PS: Regardless of Note 1 or Note 2, we sure love them

My Opinion: Note 8.0 GT-N5110

I won't make this too in depth, but I'd actually like to address some of the development doubts I've seen for the 8.0 and share my fair opinion of the device so far. First off I'd like to compare it from my own personal experience to other tablets I've owned and used a fair bit.
First off I'd like to compare it to a Nexus 10. I spent roughly a week playing with a Nexus 10 and settled on returning it. This is going to sound a little strange being that I'm comparing such a close price point but the Nexus 10 to me was not worth the premium. Not only that but honestly with a 10" tablet I feel I may as well be using my 13" Lenovo Ideapad Yoga- BUT that is a personal preference and by no means a fair reference point. What did I experience with the Nexus 10? I did like the build quality, however the user experience was strangely underwhelming even after installing some custom ROMs. I'm quite aware this paragraph isn't too relevant, however I've found the Note 8.0 a fair bit easier to use in every day situations than any 10" tablet I've owned.
Comparing it to a Nexus 7 is another matter. I do own a Nexus 7, I've actually given it to my significant other's 12 year old girl to learn and play with. Originally though I do love the device far more so than it's 10" counterpart. The only problem is well, it's just slightly too small for some uses. The form factor I found to be slightly frustrating. Whenever I used it I felt I may as well just settle and use my Galaxy Note II. That said however the feel of it and the quality for the price point was obviously fantastic. It just seems that there is a sweet spot in my opinion on tablet size and I think that lies somewhere around 8 inches. It gives you plenty of room for web browsing, it's actually a decent amount more function to type on than even a Nexus 7 given the extra screen real estate, and it still works beautifully as an ebook reader/news source.
The biggest advantages really I've found is that the Note 8.0 while not having an entirely great screen resolution seems to have a better picture quality than a LOT of tablets I've played with. There is something slightly more sharp about the screen than even my experience with the Nexus 10, but let me make this clear. I'm not saying the screen is technically superior.
The other large advantage I've really noticed is how snappy even with the vanilla samsung ROM the note 8.0 is. Side by side it's by far the snappiest, quickest responding tablet in it's class for general use, save for mayhap using the home button. Yes, I don't necessarily like the hardware keys but they don't cripple the device in my own opinion. To be honest since I use a Note II for my phone it's helped the transition familiarity wise and I do think this was intentional more so than just developer laziness.
I would like to make a note I do own a 10.1 note also and I still do prefer my 8.0 at this point to it's use. Yes, I do wish Samsung would up build quality as of casing for these devices, but they are by far hindered by this. To be totally honest the plastic casing on my Note II and 10.1 has held up tremendously well to some nasty drops and spills, far better in fact than anything I've had with a more premium styled enclosure. That being said I do dislike the plastic creekyness which is very much noticeable with my 10.1.
The Note 8.0 strikes me as this, a great medium. It's not quite a full blown 10" media tablet and at the same time it's not quite so cramped as those 7" tablets available. As of the S-Pen functionality I honestly just think it's a plus. Even without it I would prefer these devices to most of the other comparable android devices in the US market at the moment.
When it comes to ROM development I would just say be patient. It's a new device with a definite premium price. It might take awhile but the forum on XDA just now really appeared within the last 24 hours and it might just take some time to get things going. That being said I would imagine the similarities to the Note II may speed up development once we have a recovery and such.
As a footnote, I've ordered this keyboard case which is due to arrive Tuesday and I will try give it a proper in depth review ASAP.
I apologize for this post being somewhat disordered and all over the place. I'm tired but I wanted to post something and participate in the forum. It's been ages since I have. Thanks everyone and have a good night!

I can agree with your post. I have a Note 8 and 10.1, Note 2, Nexus 7, amd GS3. The Note 8 is good in every way size, function, battery, software, and decent screen. The only issue is the captive buttons. They interfer with the usability at times, so if im watching hulu and holding the device one might hit the back arrow and stop the movie. How annoying. Other than that its my go to device
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Well said! I've owned the GS3 and own the Note 2, Nexus 7, Nexus 10, Evo 4g LTE, and Nexus 4 and believe me the Note 8.0 is one of the top devices out there. Even though Im not a big fan of the plastic build quality I will say that it does hold up and it feels at least like expensive plastic lol. This device is quality and though Im not purchasing the GS4 simply because I want a change from Samsung the biggest reason is waiting for the Note 3. Development will pick up its only been available for a little while peeps. If your on the fence and want a Apple like quality tablet with Android the Note series of tablets are definitely what you are looking for. Also the amount of software additions in this tablet is rediculous.
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I will also be buying the Note 8 and think that it might turn out to be a great device (escpecially since here in europe it will also sport phone functionatlity), but nonetheless this thread smells like marketing directly paid by samsung (3 posts by OP and then this?). Sorry OP if untrue; i know that i might be completely wrong ("in dubio pro rero" etc.) but still my gut feelings tell me otherwise.
i sincereley hope the Note 8 will be a great device and have owned more or less every single one of the latest samsung smartphone / tablet gadgets, but being sensitized / aware of the latest news regarding samsungs marketing tatics to pay people to write positive comments in forums like this i am extremely pissed of by this pracise. apart of being unethical (in whatever holistic sense i am not able to properly articulate in english) this is simply not necessary, because most of the samsung devices i own / have owned are great, but the smell of being produced by such a kind of manufacturer spoils the joy. stop this an let (your very good, indeed) products speak for themselves.

Oxytoxine said:
I will also be buying the Note 8 and think that it might turn out to be a great device (escpecially since here in europe it will also sport phone functionatlity), but nonetheless this thread smells like marketing directly paid by samsung (3 posts by OP and then this?). Sorry OP if untrue; i know that i might be completely wrong ("in dubio pro rero" etc.) but still my gut feelings tell me otherwise.
i sincereley hope the Note 8 will be a great device and have owned more or less every single one of the latest samsung smartphone / tablet gadgets, but being sensitized / aware of the latest news regarding samsungs marketing tatics to pay people to write positive comments in forums like this i am extremely pissed of by this pracise. apart of being unethical (in whatever holistic sense i am not able to properly articulate in english) this is simply not necessary, because most of the samsung devices i own / have owned are great, but the smell of being produced by such a kind of manufacturer spoils the joy. stop this an let (your very good, indeed) products speak for themselves.
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I can assure you I'm not affiliated with samsung lol. I'm a court officer in Midwest City Oklahoma. I wish I was a Samsung rep though, I'd bet the pay is better than what I'm doing now xD
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I agree on the screen size thing.
The nexus 7 with a 16:9 screen at 7 inches sort of feels like a super large smartphone with insignificant space to pinch and zoom while on landscape.
My current 7.9 inch with a 4:3 screen ratio feels just right with significant space to pinch and zoom on landscape while making web pages somewhat more spacious for a desktop like experience.
Only draw back in the black bars but once again I am still using a old school 4:3 monitor at home
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I am sorry for my unnecessarily rude writing of yesterday; please accept my apologies.
I just came from reading the articels on arstechnica and our local newspaper on the mentioned (presumed) practice of samsung in korea and england before coming here in order to research about my new / future "baby" (Note 8). The first post I've read was yours, and I was like "oh my god, I can't believe it, it's indeed happening!" so I couldn't resist... (<--- I know, this doesn't make my rude behaviour better, just maybe a bit more understandable.)
LOL, do you think they pay that much? then I might also consider to enhance my meager daytime income (scientist now becoming a teacher) ...
again: sorry from my side and back on topic - good to hear that the Note serves you well I am a bit hesitating to order it due to the screen resolution; I tried to replace an Ipad (retina) with the Note 10.1, but couldn't stand the fuzziness of the screen, although I like the overall android tablet experience much more than the iOS thing.
UsagiMimi said:
I can assure you I'm not affiliated with samsung lol. I'm a court officer in Midwest City Oklahoma. I wish I was a Samsung rep though, I'd bet the pay is better than what I'm doing now xD
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Thanks for your review and thoughts on this. I am going to check it out in person this weekend and give it a go, I had the GN 10.1 for a few days but felt it just wan't a good fit for the resolution of a large device. Still I prefer Android over anything else and looking at ditching my current tab and finally be rid of the last Apple product in my house

Thats true

Oxytoxine said:
again: sorry from my side and back on topic - good to hear that the Note serves you well I am a bit hesitating to order it due to the screen resolution; I tried to replace an Ipad (retina) with the Note 10.1, but couldn't stand the fuzziness of the screen, although I like the overall android tablet experience much more than the iOS thing.
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This is the only thing bugging me about it so far. Wonderful In the hand and love the SNote (Note 2 is my phone) but if you're used to high resolution screens the fuzziness is apparent when reading text. Not sure I can take it yet. I just picked up a Nexus 10 and am only going to keep one. The resolution is jarring between them. Going to wait it out a bit more and see. I need to be able to read books on my tablet.

my 2 cents
I have to agree about 8" being the sweet spot. I have had 7" & 10" tabs (and while 7" is more pocketable I like the 8" better) I have been a Note user since the GN I & II, we have some Note 10.1's at work and I really don't care for them. (the s-pen is nice to have for precise input) i was literally using a G Tab 2 7.0 and the GN 8.0 side by side for a day and decided on the Note 8.0 for my daily driver. Allot of i-devices at work but not my preference.
Cheers
BR

I got the 3G version, but I use this with tethered wifi with my Note II for internet. The wifi version isn't available in my region.
This is the most decent thread I've read about comparing the Note 8 with other tablets. This is my frst ever tablet, and I find it a relief to do stuff with a bigger screen when I need it like spreadsheets. I used to take attendance with my Note II. Sketching is quite easier too. I found the Note 10.1 too heavy as a portable Cintique stand-in. The Note 8 is lighter and easier to handle.
I can't see any point in getting anything without a Wacom sytlus after getting the first Galaxy Note more than a year and a half ago. I do detailed digital art as a hobby, and I'm weilding the Autodesk Sketchbook and Photoshop Touch to do photo-realistic art. The S Pen is such a useful addition!
I have my Note II as my main, but for times I need a bigger screen, the Note 8 is what I take out. I just wished with had a changeable battery. 8 hours of actual screen on time isn't enough for me. I do hate plugging in to an outlet or portable power to maintain a charge, unlike what I'm doing with my Note II with 12 hours of heavy usage at about 6 to 7 hours of screen time. I usually change battery late afternoon. I can't do that with the Note 8 - I'm guessing that the Samsung team did this for our dependency for the smartphones.
Bottom line for the Note 8 for me is it's what I do need. I don't complain of its plastic exterior. I appreciate it's more powerful than the other tablets for my digital art hobby with the Wacom digitizer onboard. The screen is crisp enough and I don't see the point of having this in full HD (more power consumption) and the 720p resolution it has is sufficient. Do you honestly see the pixels? I just wished it was a Super AMOLED and it could have given the Note 8 better power efficiency. Currently, the screen consumes 80% of the battery life.
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RE: Removable battery
I have had very good luck thus far using the Note 8 the entire day. I also use it in conjunction with the Note II and at this point, I feel I have the Nirvana of tech combos. Pretty happy all around here. I dont tether mine to my phone though, as I have a little prepaid hotspot to use out and about. For extended periods where I know I'll be away, like my backpacking trips on weekends, I bring a 10000mah portable battery and keep it in my pack/bag. I have only had to use it once, and that was to charge the Note 2
Yes, there are bigger, yes there are "better" specced devices, but honestly the SPen and a device I can literally use as a notepad replacement has changed my life as a network admin. I can't fathom going back to paper and pen.

I have to agree with the positive opinions expressed here. I love my 5110, especially after I rooted it. The lesser screen resolution doesn't bother me much, my eyes aren't that good anyway. The system's responsiveness and smoothness are a real joy.
What I DON'T love is the way available storage memory shrinks with each new generation of device from Samsung. 16 GB is small enough, but when half of that is taken up by the system, it borders on false advertising.
We need to start a letter-writing campaign to Samsung to get them to (a) change their firmware to allow apks to be stored and run from the external SD card, and OTA it to us as soon as possible, and (b) make 32GB the absolute minimum for internal storage on any future devices. Having to use workarounds is ridiculous.
Who's with me?
mudge

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I have to agree with the positive opinions expressed here. I love my 5110, especially after I rooted it. The lesser screen resolution doesn't bother me much, my eyes aren't that good anyway. The system's responsiveness and smoothness are a real joy.
What I DON'T love is the way available storage memory shrinks with each new generation of device from Samsung. 16 GB is small enough, but when half of that is taken up by the system, it borders on false advertising.
We need to start a letter-writing campaign to Samsung to get them to (a) change their firmware to allow apks to be stored and run from the external SD card, and OTA it to us as soon as possible, and (b) make 32GB the absolute minimum for internal storage on any future devices. Having to use workarounds is ridiculous.
Who's with me?
mudge
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I'm with you on B. A is harder insofar as I understand it the changes were in AOSP so it's really Google and not Samsung to blame for not being able to transfer apps to sd. It's getting silly now paticularly with the s4 which has about 7.8gb of usable storage. 9gb is closer to 8gb than 16 gb so it's kind of deceptive to call it 16gb. Many consumers who don't do enough research before buying will be quite disappointed.
Flash memory is actually pretty cheap now and Samsung manufacture it. It's time to stop being so tight Samsung.
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l purchased it without seeing it and I am very satisfied with it. would definitely recommend
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note3 vs s4, worth the upgrade?

so i know a lot of people are debating getting the note 3, coming from their note 2s, but is anyone else out there considering doing it from their s4?
i like my s4, out of the box theres very little needing to be done. it was the first phone ive owned where custom roms would only mess things up. battery life for days, camera didnt need any hacking, everything ran fast, and looked good. there was an annoying popup turning up volume with headphones, and that was pretty much it. oh yeah and it didnt have a good sound chip like the s3, but the note3 wont either so thats not in the running.
despite being a solid phone, my reason for considering an upgrade is really just to change things up. is anyone thinking of moving to the note3 from the s4?
ill add "Thanks" to anyone giving feedback/input/2¢
note3
better gpu/cpu
more ram
internal memory
possibly s pen features?
s4
screen has better density,, otherwise no other differences?
up in the air
glass type?
probably same LED?
gps?
still pictures?
4k is alright, but what looks better in 1080p? (only thing that matters in 2013)
battery life?
radio?
air gesture? (really ONLY useful for gloves)

I have considered it and for me it's simply a matter of do I need...
1) a bigger screen again and
2) the spen features.
Although tempted by the Note 3 (after a year of the Note and Note 2) I went to the S4 in May. I really miss the spen and larger screen but found the size of the Note devices to be too much of a hassle in/out pocket, etc. But that's just me....I use my S4 (gps) for a lot of outdoor activity (backpacking, running, biking, note taking..ideas, etc.), and the Note 3 size would just make it more difficult to lug around.
My experience w/S4* has been nothing but excellent and it really fits all my needs for a smartphone...although I wish it had an onboard stylus.
So I basically think it's a matter of how you use your smartphones. Currently I'm sporting a S4 combined with Nexus 7. If I did get the N3 I'd get rid of the N7.
No doubt however, when it arrives in the stores i will definitely compare my S4 to the N3 and ponder...can I make it work for me? But the 5", physical size, sensors, etc. of the S4 work great.
*S4: stock, nova. Other than the original Palm pilot, it's the first smartphone I've owned that I haven't jailbreak, rooted, romed, etc. I enjoy the fact that everything works.

I actually will be going from the S4 to the Note 3.
The larger screen size will be nice for the real estate, but it's a slight trade off as I will lose the 1 handed operation I'm used to, and it's the same screen and resolution (diamond Pentile 1080p) as the S4 so you will technically lose some PPI, relevant or not.
For me getting the N3 is largely about the SPen features I'm looking forward to, especially with what I'm working on these days. The bump from 16 to 32GB storage is also welcomed. Also the new radio power management should provide a nice boost and I have little doubt the N3 will last a bunch longer on battery than the S4. USB3 is also a nice plus.
Everything else for me is a wash, Sammy's TW 4.3 will feel the same I'm sure. Yea the 800 will be faster than the 600 but will you see all that in day to day? probably not, but it's more future proof I suppose. Don't care about 4K video, and the camera stills will likely be the same between the two.

soraxd said:
up in the air
glass type?
probably same LED?
gps?
still pictures?
4k is alright, but what looks better in 1080p? (only thing that matters in 2013)
battery life?
radio?
air gesture? (really ONLY useful for gloves)
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Not the same LED. The N3 has more pwoerful LED than the S4.
Both the two variants wont have FM Radio on board.

S4 vs Note3 are pretty much the same device, only in a larger screen.
If I had the S4 I'll probably not get the Note3 unless i wanted a larger screen plus the S-pen
Originally i was going to get the S4 when it was released earlier this year, then i got winds about the Notes3 coming out so I held back, as I wanted all the features from the S4 plus all the feature that the Note3 offers
I'm very glad I waited.

I had this question in mind when I was on s3. I moved to note 2 as it had all features from s3, bigger screen and most of all bigger battery. I am very proud I made that decision so I guess it will be worth to upgrade to note 3 considering the overheating, smearing and poor battery issues of s4.
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I personally think people buy the Note-series for the wrong reasons. The only reason I owned a N2 (and soon an N3) is because I use S Pen/S Note, inking,, and multiview heavily. Those things require a screen at least as large as the Note's. If I didn't use those things I'd have a SGS4 or one of its competitors because lugging around a phablet isn't always fun. If you have decent size hands one-handed operation is workable but still not ideal.
Ask yourself these questions...
Do I want a larger display? - If yes, from a feature/performance/size perspective the N3's a great choice. If you're not in to S Pen/S Note or inking there are other large screen devices, both available and rumored, to consider that may have larger displays than the N3 or lower prices.
Am I moving to the N3 strictly for performance gains? - The Note-series phones have a lot going on under the hood. 3GB of RAM sounds fantastic but multiview and some of the other S Stuff are going to use a chunk of it. S-800's impressive but other smaller devices including the Nexus 5 and a possible LTE-A S-800 version of the SGS4 will be released with it too. So if you're hunting for performance the N3's a great choice but you may have other smaller-sized choices available soon. If you're going to root and run a non-TW ROM the performance of the N3 without Samsung's "features" should be impressive.
Am I creation/productivity user? - Used for what it's intended, there's nothing that competes with the Note-series. If you aren't currently using a device for creation/productivity but are in a creative line-of-work or do a lot of business communication and time management on your phone it might be worth exploring what the Note's features can provide. I have a Note 10.1 and N2 and would never own a non-Note device again. One man's opinion of course.

BarryH_GEG said:
Do I want a larger display? - If yes, from a feature/performance/size perspective the N3's a great choice. If you're not in to S Pen/S Note or inking there are other large screen devices, both available and rumored, to consider that may have larger displays than the N3 or lower prices.
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Another thing to consider when answering this question is the downside of having a Larger Display, is the size form factor of the phone itself.
Ask you self these questions:
4. How I'm going to carry this phone on a daily basis?
5. How easy/hard would it be for me to access the phone when I need to answer/make a call?
for me I'm still trying to answer #4, I have Notes 1 and it hasn't been easy, I still use my Galaxy S2 more than my Notes 1 because of this reason.
for answer #5 the Samsung Gear, that watch will finally solve my problem I've been having with the Notes 1, yes, i used Bluetooth before, but it wasn't the same, it was really hard to access the phone to look up things as it didn't quite fit in the usual pockets, specially if you are out in Shorts and T-shirts
at least with the Samsung Gear, no I can keep the Note 3 in arm pocket or something, and then use the Gear to do the basic stuff when i'm out biking on Shorts & Tshirt
which in a way solves the conodrum i was having with quesiton #4

AllGamer said:
How I'm going to carry this phone on a daily basis?
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It's funny you'd say that. A ton of people were pissed when it was confirmed the N3 was "only" going to have a 5.7" display. I was thrilled because the N2's size is the max I'd go for something whose primary purpose is a phone and the N3's actually smaller.
I think people play with a phablet in a store and think "it'll be fine." In addition to things you mentioned try to use one running through an airport trying to find a connecting gate. Or with only one hand free walking down the street. What seems "fine" in a store or speculatively changes real fast depending on your lifestyle.

I'm going to upgrade from the S4. I actually don't mind the touch wiz that much I just don't think the S4 has enough juice to run it. I love the phone it just gets really hot when I'm playing games and the battery doesn't last me half a day.
Here is my thought process:
Size - S4 is already large so I already had to get used to changing the way I carry my phone
Battery - I can't get half a day out of my S4 in power save mode with features I would use turned off
Screen - I like as much screen size as I can get and I have trouble typing stuff out on smaller phones. I spend a lot of time correcting.
S Pen - This is something I actually really like, some might not care at all about it
RAM - More = better!
Storage - I got the 16GB S4 and didn't realize how little of it would be left. Without installing anything on my phone I'm at 9 GB with some games at 1-2 GB that is not enough space

I'm jumping from the S4 to Note 3. Can't wait!

I'm also ditching the s4 and getting a note 3.
Being a note 2 owner before the s4 I really regret selling my note 2!
I miss the big screen and tons of battery Life.
Also the s-pen makes it worth while for me.
The s4 is a good device but it doesn't fit my needs.
Can't wait till I get my note 3!
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I too will be making the change from a S4 to a Note 3. Main reason being the bigger screen and the ability to use the S-Pen. I had a Note 2 and sold that to get the S4. After a while, I just really started missing the bigger screen. Even with the smaller S4, I still found myself using two hands anyways. So for me it's really a "once you go big, you don't go back." Also I was able to sell my S4 for $500. Purchasing the Note 3 off-contract which is really the same as purchasing the phone on contract since it's a $225 difference or so between what I sold my S4 for and what I'm paying for the Note 3.

wow what awesome feedback!
so everyone seems to agree the biggest selling point is the S-Pen! what exactly does the S-Pen do? i thought the airview/air hover was supposed to the s4's version of the S-Pen, but airview and air hover are absolutely 100% useless in every possible way imaginable. all these features do are get in the way if youre trying to actually do something.. im positive everyone turned them off after the first few days.
so what does the S-Pen contribute?
i was hoping being able to hover over an area of a webpage would act the same way hovering a mouse does, where it brings dropdown menus, mouse hover features, toast popups, any java/flash/html5 features, and every other thing an on-screen mouse is used for. however samsung implemented none of this, and closesourced its hover features. theyre only used for gimmicky things like turning pages on the touchwiz launcher if you hold it a certain way.. -___________-"...
soo, S-Pen?? wutitdo?

I'll keep my S4. Having a larger phone would only be a hassle for my pockets. Plus I have small hands. My S4 will be my pick. I don't need a bigger phone...
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I missed the screen real estate going from the Note 2 to my S4. I have been anxiously awaiting the Note 3 to step back up to a good size screen. I don't agree that the S4 didn't need anything done to it, but I'm not a fan of all the bloat Samsung and the carriers include on these great pieces of hardware.
edit - For me the S-Pen is secondary. It just happens to be included in a great specced phone with a large screen. I'd gladly buy an identical model without the Pen.

The s-pen isn't the deciding factor for me, though I don't want to give it up either! (I have the Note 2). I use it every once in a while but not often. For me it's all about the screen size. I am one of those who wanted the N3 to be 6" or perhaps even bigger.
However there have been times when it was a bit larger than comfortable in the pocket - ie especially during sports. This was partly the weight, not the size - with loose trousers and big pockets it's worse. Still doable but not ideal; it's a trade off I am happy to make though. Hopefully the lesser weight of the N3 will mitigate that problem somewhat.
On the other hand I'm not considering other brands with larger phones because I think Samsung brings way more software-wise to the table - lots of new features each model, and the s-pen is perhaps the best example. For me the S4 would be too small after the Note 2.
I'm really looking forward to the upgrade as it appears that almost everything on the phone will be improved. Since I have an extra Att upgrade to use and it will cost effectively nothing, upgrading is a no-brainer. If I had to pay full price though I'd wait.
I think if I were you, I'd figure out which phone was the right size; the one I'd be most comfortable with most of the time. After all, feature wise they're pretty close. Both are great devices. (Sorry for long response...)
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One thing I haven't seen people taking about is signal strength.
Maybe it's just me but when I went from the Note to the SGS 3 I noticed a big drop in signal.

soraxd said:
soo, S-Pen?? wutitdo?
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There are already two detailed (p)reviews from phonearena and gsmarena. The former stated the new s-pen features and the latter described them comparatively more in-depth.
Links:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-Preview_id3423/page/2
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_3_preview-review-986p4.php
So, we got a new pen window to start these fresh new things to enhance the multitasking:
Action Memo
Srapbooker
Screen write
S Finder
These are already been mentioned by knowledgeable and assumption-expert member(s) like @BarryH_GEG earlier in the general threads. Demo'ed in those vids too.
I am using s3 for a li'l over a year and I find s-pen along with these new features (with varying degrees) interesting.
For an S4 (i9500) user it should be exciting to have the exynos variant. Because now the exynos 5420 has HMP support which will never be possible for i9500 s4.

I really don't understand the OP's question
GNote2 owners doubting to upgrade to the Note3 is understandable, however ..
The S4 is a PHONE while the Note3 is a PHABLET, with S-pen capabilities ...the choice is totally personal
Correct me if I'm wrong .....
Edit: Not to mention the fact that somebody already started a thread just like this one a couple of days ago ....what a mess ....
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My N2 for a Nexus 5

My brother bought a Nexus 5 and he doesn´t like it. He said if I want we can change (my note 2 for his Nexus 5) and despite the bovious prices difference what you do in my place? I am very satisfied with my Samsung and will put a new rom to give a extra live (it has official 4.4.2).
Thanks and sorry for my bad english

taavaar said:
My brother bought a Nexus 5 and he doesn´t like it. He said if I want we can change (my note 2 for his Nexus 5) and despite the bovious prices difference what you do in my place? I am very satisfied with my Samsung and will put a new rom to give a extra live (it has official 4.4.2).
Thanks and sorry for my bad english
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If you can compromise with battery life and screen size then go for it. Snapdragon 800 will blow your mind. Camera is also not that great in N5 but it'll do the job just right.
I say go for it.

I don't know if that is a good idea, I'd keep the Note. You can't really compare these 2 devices in terms of Performance. N5 runs stock, N2 runs TouchWiz. Stock Android is and will always be buttery smooth. TouchWiz can also be quite smooth and that stuff but yeah, it is a skin of Android which might be not so smooth and fast all the time but with KitKat, it's pretty fast.
N5 has a really small battery and the Note 2s battery blows the N5 out of the way. N5s display is LCD and the N2 has a SAMOLED Display but lower PPI but anyways, think twice, seriously. I had the Nexus 4 for 2 months and I missed my Note 2 so much, the Nexus 4 was really crap compared to the Note.
Just my 2 cents.
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Never ever, cause Nexus may be fast, smooth and other pleasant things, but in fact and from my point of view: BORING
You can have pure Android experience on Note 2 too (AOSP-roms), but you'll never feel the flexibility of having S5, Note 3 features or even Note 2 S-Pen on a Nexus.
If someone would donate me a Nexus I would sell it to even get a second N2.

Thanx for the answers; it´s really hard to decide and the phones can´t be compared. The only way to both be satisfied that I can think now is, I change with him, sell the nexus and buy a note 3... Here in Souht America the prices are very different (almost twice the price for a nexus 5 new to one used N2).

Ok i own a galaxy nexus right now, about nexus devices being boring is a fact they are, but when that happens u just swap your rom, this week i will have my note 2 back, however i will not sell galaxy nexus for now
The advantages
galaxy nexus
always updated,
butter smooth,
a lot of customization,
The disadvantages
no memory card,
recovery problems, cause of internal storage(once i ve done a full wipe and i had no rom on it, a big mess)
note 2
big screen (major advantage)
battery
sdcard
disadvantages
serious software problems(SDS)
my final veredict is, if you are a flashoolic and u just love custom roms, go for a nexus(of course you will have to say goodbye to battery and screen) if u just dont like to flash roms that much and u seek more for watch moovies or play hd games stick with the note,
keep also in mind that u can sell the nexus and buy a note 3 with some more money

hackerse7en said:
big screen (major advantage)
battery
sdcard
disadvantages
serious software problems(SDS)
my final veredict is, if you are a flashoolic and u just love custom roms, go for a nexus(of course you will have to say goodbye to battery and screen) if u just dont like to flash roms that much and u seek more for watch moovies or play hd games stick with the note,
keep also in mind that u can sell the nexus and buy a note 3 with some more money
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Kindly disagreed:
SDS is mostly a myth and overrated (whenever phone freezes, people start crying about SDS)
I can port nearly every device on Note 2 but no Touchwiz rom on a nexus (just take a look around Dev forum and my signature).
So, for flashoholics like me there is only Note. :angel:

Androidwizzard said:
Kindly disagreed:
SDS is mostly a myth and overrated (whenever phone freezes, people start crying about SDS)
I can port nearly every device on Note 2 but no Touchwiz rom on a nexus (just take a look around Dev forum and my signature).
So, for flashoholics like me there is only Note. :angel:
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Respectfully disagreed,
I am a regular follower of XDA and some sites and flash many things just even to try sometimes. I also get bored easily with regular software and like to try new ways of using the phone.
If you like to use Note 2 "as is" then it is still a great phone (even greater than some newer phones). However trying new things with that phone is not about discovering what's new on the developers' world, instead it is mostly about "trying a new cure"..
I recently updated my Note 2 to 4.4.2 and then broke my warranty out of curiosity. TW KitKat is really good for people who are looking for a good phone. But then I went for Paranoid Android. The next thing I was looking for to flash was a camera cure because of the problematic camera. After that got solved, now my WiFi is not turning on without a restart and there is not even one person who mentions it on the main topic (I will, but...). In addition to that there is very low volume problem of the sound recording (whether it be a video or just voice) and there is no solution to this either.
I had bought a Nexus 4 and given my Note 2 to my sister. After 5 months she wanted my Nexus and offered my Note 2 back. I couldn't say no cause she really wanted it. Now I have two data coming from two different persons, one is a flashocolic and the other is just a user who likes iPhones etc. The one thing in common is that they both prefer the Nexus.
Because there is really a solution to everything on the Nexus world, software-wise. But here, on Note 2's world, it's like yesterday that the devs were reprehending people with complaints by saying "do it yourself if you can!!!" out of the anger to Samsung not sharing sources.
There is solution to Nexus battery problems too (you could call that a problem only after a Note). Just buy a power bank and you'll get even more battery time than a Note.
On the camera wise, Note 2 is really good. I believe that is the only thing without a solution for a Nexus device. A Nexus sometimes can match with Note 2's camera but never outdo it.
For every other thing you want or you might wanna have in the future, a Nexus is a better and more open possibility..
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Androidwizzard said:
Kindly disagreed:
SDS is mostly a myth and overrated (whenever phone freezes, people start crying about SDS)
I can port nearly every device on Note 2 but no Touchwiz rom on a nexus (just take a look around Dev forum and my signature).
So, for flashoholics like me there is only Note. :angel:
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Can i ask you how many notes2 have u had?
well i had 2 and both died in the night, i couldnt do nothing, `
so please dont tell me that sds doesn't exist, "i had nightmeers about it ahah"
now im getting my note 2 after a Motherboard replacement.
and whats this and this

I do not want to convince anybody. It is only my point of view at the beginning of developing own roms and the possibilities with this ancient device are still outstanding. Certainly better is the Note 3 and the upcoming Note 4.
My dream is Xperia Z2 on Note 2 with S-Pen features and hopefully soon...... :fingers-crossed:
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hackerse7en said:
Can i ask you how many notes2 have u had?
well i had 2 and both died in the night, i couldnt do nothing, `
so please dont tell me that sds doesn't exist, "i had nightmeers about it ahah"
now im getting my note 2 after a Motherboard replacement.
and whats this and this
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I am supporting on several forums and in many languages and I have seen SDS in realty.
BUT and that is also true: If thousand users ask, if they maybe have SDS cause device seems to die, always freezes, bootloops aso. there is not even one who really suffers from that issue.
And at last your links to Sammy roms on Nexus: You can't be serious to compare that kind of stuff with the abilities of S-Pen.
Kind regards

Androidwizzard said:
I do not want to convince anybody. It is only my point of view at the beginning of developing own roms and the possibilities with this ancient device are still outstanding. Certainly better is the Note 3 and the upcoming Note 4.
My dream is Xperia Z2 on Note 2 with S-Pen features and hopefully soon...... :fingers-crossed:
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I am supporting on several forums and in many languages and I have seen SDS in realty.
BUT and that is also true: If thousand users ask, if they maybe have SDS cause device seems to die, always freezes, bootloops aso. there is not even one who really suffers from that issue.
And at last your links to Sammy roms on Nexus: You can't be serious to compare that kind of stuff with the abilities of S-Pen.
Kind regards
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REALLY!?!?
THIS IS A DEVICE FROM 2011 with these specs
can u tell me what was the first device receiving a port on htc sense 6?
well let's see if note 2 gets first android L than galaxy nexus?
i'm not triyng to convince anybody either, i'm just seiing things as they are, and note 1,2 and 3 are devices with remarcable specs on hardware, but in therms of updates and customization u know who rules.

I have my N2 for about a year and half, and never ever been in trouble with it: good battery life, specs and apps, but to tell the truth I use the s-pen just a few days... It´s like new in this moment as I recently installed the DN3 (awesome rom).
Please, who has the Nexus 5, what is the estimated time of battery (use my N2 without bluetooth disbled only and supports a entire day) and what can be done to enhance it?

hackerse7en said:
REALLY!?!?
THIS IS A DEVICE FROM 2011 with these specs
can u tell me what was the first device receiving a port on htc sense 6?
well let's see if note 2 gets first android L than galaxy nexus?
i'm not triyng to convince anybody either, i'm just seiing things as they are, and note 1,2 and 3 are devices with remarcable specs on hardware, but in therms of updates and customization u know who rules.
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No doubt about that last statement :good:
Note 2 will never get Android L. for sure, BUT developers will port it to N2 anyway and anyhow in the near future :highfive:

Androidwizzard said:
No doubt about that last statement :good:
Note 2 will never get Android L. for sure, BUT developers will port it to N2 anyway and anyhow in the near future :highfive:
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lets hope so, i will get mine this week :angel:

That´s right, the community of N2 is strong and with no doubt we will have the Android L... Well, let´s study about this negociation N2 x N5...

I guess I am losing some arguements here..
For those who believe S Pen is on top of the "advantages list", that 1024 different pressure senser is only functioning for some of the Samsung built-in apps and an all called Papyrus (as far as I know). Besides, as a person who losev to draw/sketch (and take notes with hand writing) I have now 2 options; a Nexus 7 with bigger screen and a good touch-pen (which can be bouth seperately from anywhere) or my Note 2 with a special pen but also with a smaller screen. I ca nassure you, bigger screen has the advantage here so IF you are into professioanal drawing with all the bells and whisles of that pen either buy a pen and touch-mat set for your laptop or get a Note 10.1. Note 2 (or any 5.x " sized place ) is only suitable for small sketches and hand writing notes which gives nothing to the pressure differentiation. So, basicly it's a feature and it's there. Of course I am note taking it as an disadvantage, but it's not a choice changer.
For those who picks the battery life as a winner; that is definetely true. If you want all your time in one housing any Note phone is a way to go. But if we are calculating the total volume, than a regular phone with an external battery or powerbank would be almost same.
For those who enjoy the big screen and out ir on top of the list; now that's unique. however it's hard to write with one hand -say, on the bus- no matter how big your hands are. And when you are confortable to use the dervice in any way you like, only than the screen size comes as an advantage. But -like in the pen situation- if yo reallty want a bigger screen, this is just a big phone, not a tablet.
One more thing with the screen, it's one of the best screens Samsung has ever made. But today every brand is giving bigger screens to their devices and the colors are much better on most of other phones. Please don't tell me AMOLED is the future with it's super blacks of infinite contrasts etc. Any Xperia screen, or any of he last 2 Nexuses have better screens and much more accurate color reproduction. Even though Samsung has given us 4 scenerios to choose, there is no "true" color choice there. And there is no true whites on that screen. So, black is just one color (which Samsung also fails to give us, look carefully and most of you'll notice that blacks are not same everywhere on the screen) to brag, but all the other colors are unrealistic.
For those who wants to give the credit to the Wolfson sound chip, now that's correct Nothing to say here. Quallcomm is just getting warmt with their new SoCs on the music busniess and we all know HTC's afforts are mostly for advertising.
And also the camera, maybe the best of it's time. Sadly it is bought from Sony but all the camera software and HAL is completely re-written by Samsung and not shared to the public. So any AOSP ROM lovers has to deal with problems on the camera (I believe, the devs that made to this far created a miracle, not thanks to SAmsung of course)
And about ROM porting; IF TouchWiz is so good why need for porting frıom other ROMs? AOSP is so "empty" for some people so they port other ROMs to Nexus phones or they create AOSP for other phones so they can be clean and open. But why port Xperie and Sense ROMs to a TouchWiz based and un-shared device? I guess deep down we all know, no matter how much goodness it contains inside, TouchWiz will make everyone bored and feel unprofessional?
And the Samsung build quality, I wish there was a way to ignore this.
Please don't misunderstand me. I love my Note 2. It would be an incredebly better and longer lifed device if Samsung shared more about it. But I don't see ant of its features as unique and irreplacable. And Nexus 5 has a bigger family with an easier life for an average XDA follower (or for just a curious person)

Probably will change the devices until wednesday and return to post my impressions. As my brother wish a lot since I buy the N2 and the difference in prices here I can´t say no. In last scenary I´ll sell or change the N5 for another phablet... thanks to everyone who asked and post comments.

I'll take N5 if I were you because I prefer stock!:good:

take the N5, sell it, buy another N2, keep the profit.

dude i have both nexus 5 and note 2(both active usage) with kitkat
FOR ME ,i love the nexus 5
nexus 5 is more compact,light ,performance beast,nice and fast ui,quick updates,high res screen without oversaturated tones,nice camera(with hdr+)
BUT
if battery life is really what you need then go for note2 ..i get about 22hrs-23hrs of usage with a bit less than 3hrs screen ontime with nexus 5
with note 2 i get just a bit less than 2 days with the same usage
but nexus 5 has heating issues
note 2 has expandable memory which might be a big deal for some people(me),and much louder speaker,big screen size
...go with n5 but if u need battery,expandable storage,and s-pen..and lag then go for note2

[Q] Note 2 to Note 4?

I know a lot of people on here are saying that it isn't much of an improvement from 3 to 4. What about going from 2 to 4? Would it be worth it, or should I hold out?

I am still on a plan that includes discounted upgrades, and it it due about the time the Note 4 comes out. I am flip flopping. I would upgrade since I am due, but I don't like at all that the boot loader is locked. If I wanted that, I would get a crApple. I am waiting to see if the carrier is going to put out the cheap quad processor or 8 processor model (I can guess they will go cheap). I don't want to go with an international model and loose LTE just to get the unlocked boot loader. But neither do I want to deal with all the Crapulant carrier bloat either.

It looks like a no brainer to me, but it helps that my Note 2 is losing it's marbles. The extra memory and CPU horsepower alone is worth it. I'm stuck using an old S3 while I wait for the release.
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It just depend on you, it is your money and your necesities.

rcobourn said:
It looks like a no brainer to me, but it helps that my Note 2 is losing it's marbles. The extra memory and CPU horsepower alone is worth it. I'm stuck using an old S3 while I wait for the release.
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I was thinking it was a not brainer until I saw the Note 3 for $99 (new) on Amazon.
S5 - is also $99, but it's only 16gb so that is a deal breaker for me.
If the Note 4 is $299 is the phone $200 better than the Note 3?
Is it $249 better than the LG G3?
Is it $249 better than the HTC M8?
I love the stylus, but I can't decide if an awesome style plus, the 805 processor, Ultra power saving mode and (amoled vs lcd) is worth $249 more?
I've been eligible for an upgrade since June and I waited for the Note 4 announcement and I'm a little disappointed.
I really want to know more about the software: Did they improve touchwiz? Will there be new features with the old Samsung Gear (Fixes to S Health?

I have a note 3 and a note 2..going from the note 2 to 3 was a huge improvement so yes going from 2 to 4 would be a massive jump. I'd do it for sure.

aulwes said:
I was thinking it was a not brainer until I saw the Note 3 for $99 (new) on Amazon.
S5 - is also $99, but it's only 16gb so that is a deal breaker for me.
If the Note 4 is $299 is the phone $200 better than the Note 3?
Is it $249 better than the LG G3?
Is it $249 better than the HTC M8?
I love the stylus, but I can't decide if an awesome style plus, the 805 processor, Ultra power saving mode and (amoled vs lcd) is worth $249 more?
I've been eligible for an upgrade since June and I waited for the Note 4 announcement and I'm a little disappointed.
I really want to know more about the software: Did they improve touchwiz? Will there be new features with the old Samsung Gear (Fixes to S Health?
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The Note 4 also has the best display ever made on a smartphone: http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
Brighter, more accurate, sharper, less energy use. That $249 difference pays for the best tech available.

I have the note 2 since release day. I love it, but knowing the 4 is coming soon, I may as well grab one. I know some people are not Samsung fans, but I love how fast it is compared to apple. To be honest, I don't really use the stylus that much, but I love the screen size. I'm definitely gonna get it for sure. The xda community always amazes me on what they can do.
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Dave2582 said:
I know a lot of people on here are saying that it isn't much of an improvement from 3 to 4. What about going from 2 to 4? Would it be worth it, or should I hold out?
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maybe for someone not worth to upgrading from Note3 to Note4
but from Note2 >> u will have all features of Note3 (optimized and tweaked features) + more features...
so it will be good idea to do this...
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I think it's a no-brainer, and I'm making the jump.

Consider note 3 users as beta testers for note 4... I guess being worth it is relative. I'm on note 2 and I don't feel as if I NEED to upgrade but I guess it would be nice to have a new toy to play with until the industry tells me I'm outdated again.

Dave2582 said:
I know a lot of people on here are saying that it isn't much of an improvement from 3 to 4. What about going from 2 to 4? Would it be worth it, or should I hold out?
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The problem with the question is not is there an upgrade. It's there is a subjective value placed on the "upgrade." On top of it, we're being asked to know how to place a value on subject value you would have on top of it, like we would have the same wants and needs as you. Basically, you're asking a question that really can't be answered. No offense meant.
Obviously, there are upgrades to the phone from the Note 2 or 3. The Note 2 will have increased changes as compared to the Note 3. I think the hardware is the most objective. You just have to ask your yourself, are the cpu, ram, screen (resolution and size), and so forth increases useful, wanted or needed for how you use your mobile device. You may want to include available accessories, and not just the ones by Samsung, too.
Software wise, this is more difficult because this is dependent on how you use your device. If you don't use the Spen, than the Spen software changes are meaningless. If you use third-party software for everything, such as email, office tools, then the applications that come with the device may be meaningless too; you'll also have to considered if the application you do use, are they compatible.
Except for a few applications, the phone is just going to run faster and smoother. It just has more raw power. The exceptions are going to be more about optimizations with the hardware or OS version.
Are you someone who prefers to root their phone, will it be rootable. If you get it right away, can you wait till a root exploit has been found. Also consider if you want it to be deknoxed or have the Knox trigger tripped or not; you may need to wait longer for a solution not to trigger it.
Obviously, you can always wait. And it's a good option if the phone meets your needs and wants. Getting a new phone is an expense. But maybe getting a new phone may mean you have to go onto a different plan that may be more expensive. Then again, what are you really hoping to gain by waiting for the next version? Maybe waiting, is more about till few things you need are found. I waited on the Note 2 till root and WiFi tether had been found for the particular variant.
In my opinion, the Note 2 is a perfectly fine phone. It's only started to show some age, but not very often. It's mainly on some games where you want to have the highest settings turned on. I haven't seen issues with other applications being as power/resource hungry. If you into hacker/mod side of the phone, I would guess you'll see a lot of developers abandon their Note 2 projects as they more onto new devices, such as the Note 4, and I would expect to see a significant jump when the Note 4 is released.
Personally, I'm upgrading from the Note 2. Big reason is the phone got jacked up and cannot to 3G. Others, I want a larger screen (I was hoping closer to the 6" or bigger), eight core CPU, more ram and internal storage. The Note 2 works for needs, but does not always get me my wants.

I'm one of those that feels the Note 3 wasn't enough of an upgrade from the Note 2.
Most people don't realize that CPU and screen PPI has pretty much reach the peak with phones.
A faster processor means nothing if you aren't maxing out the processor you have and more PPI means nothing since the human eye can't see it.
Even though I have a Note 2 with N3bula ROM with Note 3 features, I want the Note 4 for it's even better multitasking and camera.
However, it has to have root which is why I will not pre-order it. If it doesn't get root, I don't want it.

pool_shark said:
I'm one of those that feels the Note 3 wasn't enough of an upgrade from the Note 2.
Most people don't realize that CPU and screen PPI has pretty much reach the peak with phones.
A faster processor means nothing if you aren't maxing out the processor you have and more PPI means nothing since the human eye can't see it.
Even though I have a Note 2 with N3bula ROM with Note 3 features, I want the Note 4 for it's even better multitasking and camera.
However, it has to have root which is why I will not pre-order it. If it doesn't get root, I don't want it.
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Completely agree. Suspect there's been quite a bit of placebo being pushed on us unsuspecting consumersfor some time now. Little to no drawbacks on my note 2 so it may be sticking around for a little while longer if these anti hack rumors turn out to be true.

pool_shark said:
I'm one of those that feels the Note 3 wasn't enough of an upgrade from the Note 2.
Most people don't realize that CPU and screen PPI has pretty much reach the peak with phones.
A faster processor means nothing if you aren't maxing out the processor you have and more PPI means nothing since the human eye can't see it.
Even though I have a Note 2 with N3bula ROM with Note 3 features, I want the Note 4 for it's even better multitasking and camera.
However, it has to have root which is why I will not pre-order it. If it doesn't get root, I don't want it.
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Completely agree. Suspect there's been quite a bit of placebo being pushed on us unsuspecting consumersfor some time now. Little to no drawbacks on my note 2 so it may be sticking around for a little while longer if these anti hack rumors turn out to be true.
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Completely agree. Suspect there's been quite a bit of placebo being pushed on us unsuspecting consumersfor some time now. Little to no drawbacks on my note 2 so it may be sticking around for a little while longer if these anti hack rumors turn out to be true.