Does anyone know if there is any type of compatability with controllers of any sort or any gamepads with the mini-usb port on the Kindle Fire? I know this is mainly meant for syncing with a pc, but wondering if this is at all possible or not. Am aware that bluetooth is not available at this time, hoping for an update to bluetooth in the future without actually disassembling the Fire, but oh well. I'm wanting to use some type of keyboard or controller/gamepad so that I can play Onlive, and also perhaps for a few emulators that I have also.
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Does anyone know if there is any type of compatability with controllers of any sort or any gamepads with the mini-usb port on the Kindle Fire? I know this is mainly meant for syncing with a pc, but wondering if this is at all possible or not. Am aware that bluetooth is not available at this time, hoping for an update to bluetooth in the future without actually disassembling the Fire, but oh well. I'm wanting to use some type of keyboard or controller/gamepad so that I can play Onlive, and also perhaps for a few emulators that I have also.
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I would be suprised if it had the usb drivers necessary to do this.
What do you mean by BT. Have they confirmed that BT is in the fire?
The Kindle Fire does have bluetooth capability in it, so far as I am aware. But, the original KF kernel does not support it, and Amazon hasn't made any announcements as to the support of it in the future. And you mentioned something about the drivers, is there a way to push a usb driver update through the Fire through ADB, as mine is rooted still? I read through another thread earlier about disassemblying and reverse engineering the bluetooth capabilities, I'm just simply trying to figure out if possible to use the mini usb cable to hook up to a simple gamepad. Though the usb driver does throw a wrench in the process.
I just purchased a Kindle Fire and would like it to use it for note taking in class. From what I've read, there doesn't seem to be a way to use a standard external keyboard via micro-USB adapter on stock Fire software.
But what if a complete port of Android was installed on the Fire? Would it then work? If so, which version/process would I need to do to make this possible?
This thread hints at activating bluetooth on the mobo of the Fire to connect to devices in that manner. Has this been successfully done yet?
TIA!
nope - turned out that the chip is'nt capable
b63 said:
nope - turned out that the chip is'nt capable
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Darn, ok so BT is out of the question, but what about via USB using a full Android build?
They are working on usb host over in the android development section of the kindle forums... check it out!
Hi! is it possible to connect wirelessly or wired via USB adaptor to the tab & play games on the tab? I have a PS2 & PS3 Controller. The PS2 controller has a converter that switches it to a standard USB slot. I hope to find a way that doesn't require rooting as i'm worried that after rooting & modifying any files i might not be able to receive firmware updates from Samsung.
wolvie77 said:
Hi! is it possible to connect wirelessly or wired via USB adaptor to the tab & play games on the tab? I have a PS2 & PS3 Controller. The PS2 controller has a converter that switches it to a standard USB slot. I hope to find a way that doesn't require rooting as i'm worried that after rooting & modifying any files i might not be able to receive firmware updates from Samsung.
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I use my PS3 controller on my 7.7 all the time. You DO need root access though. There's an app on the market called Sixaxis Controller which you will need to buy, but it works perfectly if you follow the directions. You need to use the pairing tool on your PC in order to set the controller to look for your 7.7 as the Bluetooth master, but once you've done that, you should be all set!
P.S. Full instructions here.
Any other way without rooting? I don't wish to root for fear of changes to any of the system files that might hinder my firmware updates.
wolvie77 said:
Any other way without rooting? I don't wish to root for fear of changes to any of the system files that might hinder my firmware updates.
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You need to be rooted plain and simple. The bluetooth the ps3 controller isnt standard fare and thats where the sixaxis controller app steps in.
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wolvie77 said:
Any other way without rooting? I don't wish to root for fear of changes to any of the system files that might hinder my firmware updates.
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You gotta root. You really have nothing to worry about with simply rooting. Unless you're planning on flashing custom firmware or ROM's, you got nothing to worry about.
I do not have PS3 wireless controller. I am planning to buy one. I would like to know if you are using Original PS3 dualshock 3 controller or non-original controller. I prefer to buy non-original one because of its rapid firing function and cheaper, but the developer highly recommended to use the original PS3 controller.
Any idea?
Get a on-the-go (OTG) cable and plug in your joystick (USB) or wireless joystick (via a USB connector) and you are good to go.
Ok its work i can use it in the menus of the system but how to play with it i don't have any game working with it
Hi,
I'm hoping to hook up my PS3 controller (via the sixaxis app), and I don't see a way to turn on OTG so that I can pair my controller. I know that the old CM7 had OTG. I tried Nook Tweaks, but it doesn't work with my kernel.
Any ideas?
Thanks!
Update: Tried to get the sixaxis controller working via the sixaxisinstalltool (where I hook it up to a PC). Unfortunately, it looks like 10.1 is currently not compatible with sixaxis. So, I went back to 7.2 and now sixaxis is working. Wish I could be on Jelly Bean since they are doing great work with it, but I'd rather be able to use my PS3 controller with the Nook right now.
Okay, the first question is aimed at Mad Catz Rich as from what I gathered he is a Mad Catz rep.
Can we expect an OS update to the MOJO? An update to at least 4.3 is important because of FSTrim which seriously affect performance in the long run.
The second question is about the bluetooth and aimed at anybody who can answer. Supposedly the MOJO supports bluetooth but I've also seen mention of a dongle. Do you actually need the dongle to use the controller or is it only for when connecting it to a PC (if it's a requirement it eats up an entire USB right?) So does bluetooth on the device work without the dongle? Can you easily connect devices such as a mouse and a keyboard?
I'm interested in the MOJO but gaming is only third on my list. I want it more as a low power (HT)PC running android so I want to know if my logitech K810 (great for only using one keyboard when switching between the phone, tablet, and PC) would work on it and an actual mouse would be nice since it might take a while to get accustomed to using the mouse mode on the C.T.R.L. (plus I saw some comment somewhere where the person was concerned with the durability of the switch as it would get constant use and a mouse would avoid the need for constant switching).
I'm not sure whether to wait or not as game compatibility is only semi important for me for me (plus I have several humble bundle android games which might avoid the need for play store compatibility). But video playback is important as is the keyboard and mouse. If those work then despite the limited game selection it might be worth it for me.
We have connected a BT keyboard and mouse with no problem to ours. Logitech keyboard, Microsoft mouse & both work well. Neither use a dongle.
I do have the controller's dongle taking up a USB port, but not sure if it actually needs it...I just sort of plugged it in because it was there and I'm a fan of sticking things into other things.
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We have connected a BT keyboard and mouse with no problem to ours. Logitech keyboard, Microsoft mouse & both work well. Neither use a dongle.
I do have the controller's dongle taking up a USB port, but not sure if it actually needs it...I just sort of plugged it in because it was there and I'm a fan of sticking things into other things.
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Thanks! And yeah, many people are of that practice...
Now let's just see if Mad Catz Rich can give us some info on the OS front.
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Thanks! And yeah, many people are of that practice...
Now let's just see if Mad Catz Rich can give us some info on the OS front.
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Controller has built in blue tooth. Just flip the switch the the far left(blue tooth) and hold start button for 5 seconds. Controller will light up and seek nearby Bluetooth devices and sync.
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....The second question is about the bluetooth and aimed at anybody who can answer. Supposedly the MOJO supports bluetooth but I've also seen mention of a dongle. Do you actually need the dongle to use the controller or is it only for when connecting it to a PC (if it's a requirement it eats up an entire USB right?) So does bluetooth on the device work without the dongle? Can you easily connect devices such as a mouse and a keyboard?
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I use this mini BT kyboard/mouse:
shinatro Mini Bluetooth Keyboard
Works fine, a bit treaky to get used to but very functional.
I haven't tried removing the BT smart dongle, I would say it does need the dongle for the controller only because of android 4.2.2 doesn't support it.
On the new egg TV vid, there's confirmation of Android 4.4 kitkat coming, so I guess that's coming, and when it does the dongle wont be needed on the mojo, as from 4.3 it does support BT smart natively.
Well that's my understanding.
Hi,
The CTRLR included with MOJO has Bluetooth Smart built in, allowing it to take advantage of lower latency and lower power consumption from the Low Energy profile of Bluetooth 4.0. Unfortunately, the Android OS won't be able to take advantage of this until KitKat is made more widely available. So, in the meantime, the USB dongle is included to make up for this connection. This will be similar for other Bluetooth Smart devices that don't have the OS/hardware matching up yet. The Bluetooth 4.0 built-in, however, is backwards-compatible with all Bluetooth Classic connections.
Regarding USB ports, using a USB hub should be just fine for connecting additional USB devices. Ie, wired keyboard, wired mouse, usb dongle wireless keyboard or mouse, xbox 360 controller, external hard drives, thumbdrives, etc.
Mad Catz Nate said:
Hi,
The CTRLR included with MOJO has Bluetooth Smart built in, allowing it to take advantage of lower latency and lower power consumption from the Low Energy profile of Bluetooth 4.0. Unfortunately, the Android OS won't be able to take advantage of this until KitKat is made more widely available. So, in the meantime, the USB dongle is included to make up for this connection. This will be similar for other Bluetooth Smart devices that don't have the OS/hardware matching up yet. The Bluetooth 4.0 built-in, however, is backwards-compatible with all Bluetooth Classic connections.
Regarding USB ports, using a USB hub should be just fine for connecting additional USB devices. Ie, wired keyboard, wired mouse, usb dongle wireless keyboard or mouse, xbox 360 controller, external hard drives, thumbdrives, etc.
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When will you be updating MOJO to KitKat?
No news to share regarding this yet. Sorry. :C
gwaldo said:
I use this mini BT kyboard/mouse:
shinatro Mini Bluetooth Keyboard
Works fine, a bit treaky to get used to but very functional.
I haven't tried removing the BT smart dongle, I would say it does need the dongle for the controller only because of android 4.2.2 doesn't support it.
On the new egg TV vid, there's confirmation of Android 4.4 kitkat coming, so I guess that's coming, and when it does the dongle wont be needed on the mojo, as from 4.3 it does support BT smart natively.
Well that's my understanding.
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Just to clarify this even further, whilst 4.3 adds Bluetooth Smart support it doesn't have support for all Bluetooth Smart profiles. 4.4 adds support for HID over GATT which is what's needed for Smart mice, keyboards and game controllers.
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Just to clarify this even further, whilst 4.3 adds Bluetooth Smart support it doesn't have support for all Bluetooth Smart profiles. 4.4 adds support for HID over GATT which is what's needed for Smart mice, keyboards and game controllers.
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Hi MC Rich, happy new year
Thanks for the clarification.
Oh the same HID over GATT which iOS has?
I know it's not officially supported, but I did try pairing with iPhone5, but it didn't find it.
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Hi MC Rich, happy new year
Thanks for the clarification.
Oh the same HID over GATT which iOS has?
I know it's not officially supported, but I did try pairing with iPhone5, but it didn't find it.
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Gamepads have to be specifically created for iOS in order for them to work so, no dice there I'm afraid. The CTRLR will pair directly with one of the following:
Android device running 4.4 + Bluetooth 4.0 chip
Windows 8/8.1 PC with Bluetooth 4.0 chip
Macbook running Mavericks with Bluetooth 4.0 chip
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Gamepads have to be specifically created for iOS in order for them to work so, no dice there I'm afraid. The CTRLR will pair directly with one of the following:
Android device running 4.4 + Bluetooth 4.0 chip
Windows 8/8.1 PC with Bluetooth 4.0 chip
Macbook running Mavericks with Bluetooth 4.0 chip
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My tablet is running 4.0.4 with the MC BT4 dongle over OTG and works fine.
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My tablet is running 4.0.4 with the MC BT4 dongle over OTG and works fine.
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Yep - I did say directly
With the dongle, of course, you can connect it to anything that supports a USB gamepad (and which doesn't require some other form of authentication, such as Xbox 360), which even includes a Playstation 3 (although the button assignments will be all kinds of wrong).
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Yep - I did say directly
With the dongle, of course, you can connect it to anything that supports a USB gamepad (and which doesn't require some other form of authentication,...
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That would mean, I could use the controller with my LG G2 and Nexus 7 ? Both are supporting USB gamepads, keyboards and mousecontroll.
If the Mad Catz BT dongle would act like any other wireless to USB keyboard transmitter, it should work " out of the box ".
That's not the case.
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That would mean, I could use the controller with my LG G2 and Nexus 7 ? Both are supporting USB gamepads, keyboards and mousecontroll.
If the Mad Catz BT dongle would act like any other wireless to USB keyboard transmitter, it should work " out of the box ".
That's not the case.
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It should be - the dongle conforms completely to the HID USB standard so it doesn't do anything funky or out of the ordinary. That said, I've noticed on our Nexus 7 that sometimes you have to unplug/replug the OTG cable a couple of times to get it to recognise correctly, depending on the OTG cable that you use. You can tell if you've got a good connection because the home button LED should illuminate blue rather than flashing.
So yes, provided you've got a good OTG cable and all other things being equal it will work on any device that supports USB game controllers.
I've used this OTG cable on many different devices. It's definately full working. Before my former post, I have rechecked if my wireless keyboard with USB dongle works. Sony Sixaxis on USB are fine working. On both devices. Both devices even have enough power output to run harddrives.
The LG has JB 4.2.2 and the N7 has the actual 4.4.2 running. The controler simply can't pair.
In terminal lsusb didn't even list the dongle as recognized device.
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I've used this OTG cable on many different devices. It's definately full working. Before my former post, I have rechecked if my wireless keyboard with USB dongle works. Sony Sixaxis on USB are fine working. On both devices. Both devices even have enough power output to run harddrives.
The LG has JB 4.2.2 and the N7 has the actual 4.4.2 running. The controler simply can't pair.
In terminal lsusb didn't even list the dongle as recognized device.
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It's clear that it's not getting initialised through that OTG but can't explain why that is happening, I'm afraid. If it's working through your M.O.J.O. then we know it's okay and we don't do anything specific at all on M.O.J.O. to support it - it really is just a USB HID compliant dongle.
Strange, if I connect the bt dongle through a passive hub, it will be recognized by my G2 and N7.
It's not a really handy solution.
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I bought another OTG cable and now, the dongle is recognized to my LG G2 without the HUB.
So, you're absolutely right. The C.T.R.L.R USB-dongle should work with any device. :good: