[Q] [I9505] Stay on pre-KNOX 4.2.2? - Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi folks!
I'm one of the the few lucky ones still being on the pre-KNOX 4.2.2, buildnumber JDQ39.I9505XXUBMGA. I own the international (swedish unbranded) version of the I9505. At the moment i have Root and a custom recovery installed, stock TouchWiz.
Now I want to discuss the pros and cons of WHETHER staying on this version, installing a custom ROM and a custom recovery OR updating to Jelly Bean 4.3 and only having the possibility to root without voiding my warranty.
I'm wondering:
Are there are any improvements in performance and stability with Jelly Bean 4.3?
Is there a stable custom ROM?
Is there a stable custom ROM that uses all the possibilties on the SGS4?
The reasons why I want to have ROOT is the annoying inability to move app data to the SD card. I don't want to void warranty.
Every answer/idea/opinion is welcome!
eTaurus

eTaurus said:
Hi folks!
I'm one of the the few lucky ones still being on the pre-KNOX 4.2.2, buildnumber JDQ39.I9505XXUBMGA. I own the international (swedish unbranded) version of the I9505. At the moment i have Root and a custom recovery installed, stock TouchWiz.
Now I want to discuss the pros and cons of WHETHER staying on this version, installing a custom ROM and a custom recovery OR updating to Jelly Bean 4.3 and only having the possibility to root without voiding my warranty.
I'm wondering:
Are there are any improvements in performance and stability with Jelly Bean 4.3?
Is there a stable custom ROM?
Is there a stable custom ROM that uses all the possibilties on the SGS4?
The reasons why I want to have ROOT is the annoying inability to move app data to the SD card. I don't want to void warranty.
Every answer/idea/opinion is welcome!
eTaurus
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Hi, first of all, you lucky guy can flash every custom ROM 4.3 and also 4.4.2 when no new bootloader is included.:good:
the Samsung based ROMS are fully working. All you have to do is to flash a ROM of your choice and update your baseband. It should have the same base as the ROM. So if the ROM is based on a NB8 firmware, you have to use a NB8 baseband. But flash only the modem.bin file, not the non-hlos file.
for working wifi use a custom kernel like KT or similar.
The performance and the batterylife are in my opinion much better in 4.3 and 4.4.2.
it depends on your using.
just try a little bit. As long as you not update you bootloader, you're on the safe side.

speedwayfan75 said:
Hi, first of all, you lucky guy can flash every custom ROM 4.3 and also 4.4.2 when no new bootloader is included.:good:
the Samsung based ROMS are fully working. All you have to do is to flash a ROM of your choice and update your baseband. It should have the same base as the ROM. So if the ROM is based on a NB8 firmware, you have to use a NB8 baseband. But flash only the modem.bin file, not the non-hlos file.
for working wifi use a custom kernel like KT or similar.
The performance and the batterylife are in my opinion much better in 4.3 and 4.4.2.
it depends on your using.
just try a little bit. As long as you not update you bootloader, you're on the safe side.
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How do I know that a custom ROM doesn't contain the new bootloader? Does the bootloader come with the kernel? If so, which kernel versions are safe? Which custom ROM without new kernel is most stable?
Do 4.3 and 4.4 run on the old kernel? Are there significant improvements in the original kernel coming with 4.3?
After reading about 4.4 I absolutely do not want to update to KitKat.
Many questions but the amount of kernels and ROMs is simply overpowering for someone who does not have the time to read every post on XDA every day.
Seeing forward to your answers.

I'm pre knox and have flashed various rims including the Google Edition roms. Currently I'm on KitKat TW rom using the pre rooted debloated version. You'll have to update to the kitkat kernel but this is included in the rom. All custom roms that are flashable via recovery will not have the new bootloader. Knox is tied into the bootloader. Why don't you want to install kitkat? It's better overall with the new kitkat features.
I run KT kernel it's a fantastic kernel in my opinion and has many tweaks.
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nikzDHD said:
Why don't you want to install kitkat? It's better overall with the new kitkat features.
I run KT kernel it's a fantastic kernel in my opinion and has many tweaks.
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Thank you for your answer. I read about problems accessing the SD card in KitKat. Or is this not a problem with custom ROMs? I want to be able to move app data to SD card.
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eTaurus said:
Thank you for your answer. I read about problems accessing the SD card in KitKat. Or is this not a problem with custom ROMs? I want to be able to move app data to SD card.
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it got fixed, don't worry about it

nikzDHD said:
I'm pre knox and have flashed various rims including the Google Edition roms. Currently I'm on KitKat TW rom using the pre rooted debloated version. You'll have to update to the kitkat kernel but this is included in the rom. All custom roms that are flashable via recovery will not have the new bootloader. Knox is tied into the bootloader. Why don't you want to install kitkat? It's better overall with the new kitkat features.
I run KT kernel it's a fantastic kernel in my opinion and has many tweaks.
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Would you mind and give me the link? I want something to start with.

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Custom 4.3 Touchwiz rom's and old bootloader

As title, looking for the 4.3 touchwiz based rom's that work with the old bootloader.
Almost all custom roms you can flash from recovery won't update your bootloader. I recommend omega.
Read OP of any rom and you will sure notice that the bootloader will remain untouched after flashing.
dkreventon said:
Almost all custom roms you can flash from recovery won't update your bootloader. I recommend omega.
Read OP of any rom and you will sure notice that the bootloader will remain untouched after flashing.
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There will be no issues like lack of sound, wifi etc?
Been using GE roms since the new bootloader was introduced but I have read posts from users having problems flashing new firmware with old bootloader, or is that just for the official roms?
As long as you have the latest modem (MJ5) there won't be any issues.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48972299&postcount=18311 - Check the installation instructions.
dkreventon said:
As long as you have the latest modem (MJ5) there won't be any issues.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48972299&postcount=18311 - Check the installation instructions.
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I'm already using that modem so might just give it a try.
Thanks for the help.
Be sure to have the latest philz touch and you're good to go!
Flashed Omega V19, all working.
Definitely not as smooth as the GE roms but it 's not bad, also it's nice to have the Samsung Camera back again.
Also give echoe rom ago, I'm on old bootloader and mk9 modem, working much better than 4.2.2 stock
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ranger4740 said:
Also give echoe rom ago, I'm on old bootloader and mk9 modem, working much better than 4.2.2 stock
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Thanks, might give that a try as Omega just started rebooting randomly..
Will try another kernel, if that doesn't fix it then ill try echoe.
All custom roms since 4.3 gave me random reboots once every couple of days.
I'm currently running omega v19 and the uptime is 48h.
Well I got Omega stable with KT kernel, but found the lag a bit annoying so tried echoe rom anyway.
Sadly the lag is much the same, I guess it's a feature of touchwiz and nothing can be done about it.
Why havent Samsung fixed this? it's almost the same as the original roms that phone shipped with.

AOSP kitkat 4.4.2 to TW 4.3 rom question

I'm reading a lot of stuff about bootloaders and so on, and non-working wifi when going to TW 4.3 rom.
I'm now on an AOSP 4.4.2 kitkat rom. Say I'd like to try a sammy 4.3 rom, can I just flash the rom via CWM or do I need to do other steps before that ?
No flashing through cwm will work just fine. If any problems you can install a custom kernel I've been seeing a lot about devil kernel for 4.3
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wtr_dhd said:
I'm reading a lot of stuff about bootloaders and so on, and non-working wifi when going to TW 4.3 rom.
I'm now on an AOSP 4.4.2 kitkat rom. Say I'd like to try a sammy 4.3 rom, can I just flash the rom via CWM or do I need to do other steps before that ?
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Be careful if you don't want to have Knox bootloader, and apps installed.
Some of the custom ROMs are already Knox free, so, depending on your Note II version you might only have to install a custom kernel (to have Wi-Fi like my case).
I have a N2 LTE (7105, t0lte) version, and I have now Ditto Note 3 (with Note 3 applications - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2541860), and it can be installed in almost all N2 versions. I just have to follow your N2 version instructions.
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Is there a stock debloated pre rooted 4.4 for i9505?

Is there a stock debloated pre rooted 4.4 for i9505?
so i have been staying updated with the new kitkat roll out for the s4, i have a UK i9505 lte, i have seen the odin flashable file for a few country's so far, i was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to a clean deboated rom. i am currently running stock 4.2.2 UK rom rooted with a clockwork mod based recovery. unfortunately i have knox and its been tripped 0 x 1. if that makes a differance.
i have searched the development section but could not seem to find a debloated offcial kitkat rom, i would attempt making one. myself but i find the s4 much more confusing compared to the flashing process which came with my previous s2, and dont want to risk bricking my s4.
thanks in advance.
kind regards
kuljit55 said:
Is there a stock debloated pre rooted 4.4 for i9505?
so i have been staying updated with the new kitkat roll out for the s4, i have a UK i9505 lte, i have seen the odin flashable file for a few country's so far, i was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to a clean deboated rom. i am currently running stock 4.2.2 UK rom rooted with a clockwork mod based recovery. unfortunately i have knox and its been tripped 0 x 1. if that makes a differance.
i have searched the development section but could not seem to find a debloated offcial kitkat rom, i would attempt making one. myself but i find the s4 much more confusing compared to the flashing process which came with my previous s2, and dont want to risk bricking my s4.
thanks in advance.
kind regards
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There's a few out there, I recommend the below if you want stock, pre-rooted, debloated (customisable by you), without the Knox stuff (might not matter so much to you as you've already tripped it, but shouldn't matter).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427629
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gsmyth said:
There's a few out there, I recommend the below if you want stock, pre-rooted, debloated (customisable by you), without the Knox stuff (might not matter so much to you as you've already tripped it, but shouldn't matter).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427629
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thanks for your reply, i did see this, but i can read many users finding little bugs here and there, and i really was looking for a very reliable clean rom, with jjust minimum mods, il give this a try if there is no other clean stock kitkat released, or i may just flash the official with Odin and manually root and clean it up.
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thanks for your reply, i did see this, but i can read many users finding little bugs here and there, and i really was looking for a very reliable clean rom, with jjust minimum mods, il give this a try if there is no other clean stock kitkat released, or i may just flash the official with Odin and manually root and clean it up.
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Any issues are usually caused by not doing a clean install. There are the odd couple of things that seem to be caused by having the old (pre-knox) boot loader, but they will be fixed sooner or later. Again you should be fine if your already on the new boot loader anyway. Any problems just say, plenty of support and advice from the dev and users.
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Can I install CM on non-KNOX bootloader?

Currently I'm on a Pre-rooted stock ROM and would really like to update as stock OTA is not working.
Info:
Model : GT-I9505
Android : 4.2.2
Baseband : I9505XXUBMGA
Kernel : 3.4.0-1081224
Build number : JDQ39.I9505XXUBMGA
So, I don't have the newer bootloader with KNOX yet.
Further, I already installed CWM 6.0.4.4 recovery
My questions:
Can I simply install CM10.2.1 or CM 11.2 through CWM?
Or do I have to update the bootloader first or does it include in CM?
Is there a catch in updating my phone concerning KNOX and chance of bricking?
I'm I stuck on CM or can I always revert to my backup of rooted stock 4.2.2?
Thanx in advance for any help.
I searched, but couldn't find correct answers...
Yes you can just install cm but if you try to install newer touchwiz roms then you need to change your modem. And wrong section....
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pvdwaal said:
Currently I'm on a Pre-rooted stock ROM and would really like to update as stock OTA is not working.
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Post this on HERE & you will get help you need there?
This is for ROM Dev only & you'll only get shouted at LOL
Alttwo said:
Yes you can just install cm but if you try to install newer touchwiz roms then you need to change your modem. And wrong section....
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So KNOX is all about stock Samsung ROMs?
And I don't need an updated bootloader for all other ROMs like CM and OMEGA and can switch between them without issues?
yes.
pvdwaal said:
So KNOX is all about stock Samsung ROMs?
And I don't need an updated bootloader for all other ROMs like CM and OMEGA and can switch between them without issues?
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Knox is basically a counter to counter rooters. You should be able to flash any ROM like normal but there may be some changed needed to be done for the modem. I'm sure there are multiple threads about the i9505 modems...
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Galaxy S4 [i337m] ROM update help

Hi guys!
My dad has been using the above mentioned device for the past 5.5 years. The device is running a stock rooted 4.2.2 MDJ build. His bank is about to stop the support for the 4.2.2 version so we need to update the OS. The minimum required OS is now KitKat but I would like a more moderate ROM. Is it possible to have for e.g. an Oreo based ROM without Knox? In other words, do some ROMs include a Knox bootloader (to enable them to run)?
Thanks for the help!
Only Samsung ROMs would contain Knox.
The apps should be fine with a stock 5.01 ROM if you want to stick with stock.
If you want to run a custom Oreo ROM, I suggest flashing the latest bootloader and modem before installing Oreo.
The sgh-i337m forum is here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-att
audit13 said:
Only Samsung ROMs would contain Knox.
The apps should be fine with a stock 5.01 ROM if you want to stick with stock.
If you want to run a custom Oreo ROM, I suggest flashing the latest bootloader and modem before installing Oreo.
The sgh-i337m forum is here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-att
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Thanks for the reply!
As I said I would like to evade to flash the Knox bootloader. I know Samsung made it impossible to use their OS without Knox so I'm guessing my only option is to use custom ROMs. Are there any ROMs that still utilise the old bootloader?
You can't flash any bootloader other than stock.
Knox will not interfere with flashing custom ROMs.
Some banking apps will not work with a rooted ROM so you may have to use another app to hide root.
audit13 said:
You can't flash any bootloader other than stock.
Knox will not interfere with flashing custom ROMs.
Some banking apps will not work with a rooted ROM so you may have to use another app to hide root.
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Root is in place just to disable OTA and by the looks of it the banking app doesn't care.
Regarding Knox, I actually think of it as a security downgrade because the NSA played a part in its development and they are known to spy on people. I feel safer when it's not installed LMAO
Is the phone an sgh-i337m or sgh-i337?
The sgh-i337 was made for at&t.
audit13 said:
Is the phone an sgh-i337m or sgh-i337?
The sgh-i337 was made for at&t.
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It's the SGH-I337M. Canadian model. CSC is TLS (Telus)
Okay, just wanted to make sure it wasn't the att model because the 4.3 or newer bootloader is locked on the non-m version.
Anybody have any suggestions for a ROM? It doesn't necessarily need to be the latest version of Android. It just needs to be compatible with the old bootloader
If you're still on MDJ stay on MDJ, don't update your bootloader, only the modem. 4.3 don't have KNOX, just don't update from OTA.
AoEKiller said:
If you're still on MDJ stay on MDJ, don't update your bootloader, only the modem. 4.3 don't have KNOX, just don't update from OTA.
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Don't worry. I won't I am just looking for an at least 4.4 ROM without Knox
AFAIK Knox is on the 4.3 build
Here are a few pics if some of you still don't believe me
Anyone?
Heard also Chrome is losing support for Android 4.2.2

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