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[Q] Rooting Note 3 with MJ7 without triggering KNOX counter - Is it possible

Hey guys.
I recently got my new Note 3 (N9005, unlocked, no carrier) and upgraded it to the latest MJ7 FW. Now when I started to look for ways to root it, without triggering that KNOX counter, I couldn't find any clear info on it. Is it possible on the latest MJ7? If it is, how? Have anyone tried it?

Oh, just to make it clear - I'm aware of that "Root De La Vega" but first couldn't find working link to the scripts and second I couldn't find any info about whether it triggers the KNOX counter on MJ7 FW?

No that is not possible yet, because you are on the 'new' bootloader now, which prevents the RDLV method. I read that also kingo and vroot triggered knox. Sorry man, but for now it's better to wait for some smart developer to come up with a solution...

And going back to older FW is not an option? I mean downloading old FW from sammobile and using Odin dropping this older FW?

stargazer_vit said:
And going back to older FW is not an option? I mean downloading old FW from sammobile and using Odin dropping this older FW?
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Downgrade isn't possible. U'll end up with boot loops if you try.
If u want root without triggering knox, then you'll have to wait until another exploit is found.
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Luycks said:
No that is not possible yet, because you are on the 'new' bootloader now, which prevents the RDLV method. I read that also kingo and vroot triggered knox. Sorry man, but for now it's better to wait for some smart developer to come up with a solution...
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I tried kingo and vroot on my Note 3 (SM-9005, Firmware version MJ7). They both failed to root the device. But the KNOX remained 0x00, meaning that the warranty was still valid.
So, what do u mean by ' I read that also kingo and vroot triggered knox.' Does it apply to MJ7? Or did someone succeed rooting the Note 3 with Firmware version MJ7 and end with voiding the KNOX warranty (0x01)?

zhengsmall said:
I tried kingo and vroot on my Note 3 (SM-9005, Firmware version MJ7). They both failed to root the device. But the KNOX remained 0x00, meaning that the warranty was still valid.
So, what do u mean by ' I read that also kingo and vroot triggered knox.' Does it apply to MJ7? Or did someone succeed rooting the Note 3 with Firmware version MJ7 and end with voiding the KNOX warranty (0x01)?
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There is NO WAY at the moment to root MJ7 without triggering Knox... Period...
If you needed root you should've rooted it before update to MJ7 and then updated with Mobile ODIN Pro...But that ship hasn't only sailed, its been hit by an iceberg and sunk....

Thx anyway, I have to wait before new approaches are revealed since I'd like to keep the KNOX flag 0x00.
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Nope, you have the patched bootloader.
Useful information:
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-cf-auto-root
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog/about-root-de-la-vega
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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ROOT - Not rooted pre-4.4...How?

Wanting to root my brothers phone for him...but can't find any solid details on how or if its safe for those who are already on official 4.4. He upgraded via phone OTA from 4.3...and all post I find are in reference to 4.3 rooting to 4.4 ...and since root has been accomplished prior to official being rolled out...is there a method to it for those who werent game enough to try it on a nee device???

You can root but will trip knox, so no warrenty. If thats cool check out CF-auto root method and pick the apropriet 4.4 version..
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NOZX said:
Wanting to root my brothers phone for him...but can't find any solid details on how or if its safe for those who are already on official 4.4. He upgraded via phone OTA from 4.3...and all post I find are in reference to 4.3 rooting to 4.4 ...and since root has been accomplished prior to official being rolled out...is there a method to it for those who werent game enough to try it on a nee device???
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Root is always possible. If firmware is 4.3 MJ3 & above, you are not able to have a safe rooting without tripping the KNOX. Don't worry, this trip is only for warranty. No other issue other than warranty is voided.
The easiest way to root, is always chainfire method, which is mentioned earlier ==> CF-Autoroot.
Just grab the latest file from his thread (under Note 3 original Android development). Choose a correct device for you. N9005 must use N9005, N900 must use N900, and vice versa.
Read carefully on the instructions on how to root (easy to follow and to understand).
Good luck.

Ok beauty. Thanks for your help. Not worried bout warranty. Cheers
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Just make sure reactivation lock is OFF...

Root GT-N7100<4.4.2> without tripping KNOX

Hi XDA people,
Just found this workaround for rooting latest 4.4.2 stock firmware without tripping Knox.
This method downgrades the firmware(System & Kernel) on your device to N7100XXUEMK4 except for the bootloader.
Dont even try to downgrade the bootloader as this isn't possible.
What you need:
1.Odin v3.09
2.Stock official N7100XXUFND3 firmware on your device.
3. A device with Knox Warranty Void: 0
Procedure:
1.Download N7100XXUEMK4 Stock Rom from HERE
2. Open the downloaded file.You will find 4 .tar.md5 files and an Odinv3.09 zip file inside.
3. Extract the Odin file and setup Odin on your PC.
4. Next extract the file named AP_N7100XXUEMK4_2099172_REV04_user_low_ship.tar.md5
5. Load this file into AP tab on Odin. Connect your phone in Odin mode and flash this file.
( Note : You have to flash only the AP file from Odin. Do not flash the other files namely CP, CSC, BL)
6. Now once the phone has rebooted go back to download mode and check if Knox has tripped or not.
7. Next use Saferoot from HERE to root your device.
(You would find the guide on how to root using saferoot easily over HERE
8. Now if saferoot was able to root your device then you must be rooted without tripping Knox. :good:
9. Now you can easily flash your official firmware through mobile odin. Select Everroot option on Mobile odin while flashing the new firmware. In this way you wont lose root access.
Known Issues:
If after rooting you want to flash custom recovery via mobile odin, or via DR.Ketan's utilities app please note that it will trip knox.
Knox remains cool until your recovery is stock. The moment a custom recovery is detected knox goes 1.
Credits:
@k1mu for saferoot

Cant you just do this?
Use Mj5 bootloader and any rom 4.x
Flash Kitkat 4.4.2 via mobilOdin and root.
Make sure status is ok (use triangle away if not)
Flash latest 4.4.2 bootloader via Odin (pcOdin)

robalm said:
Cant you just do this?
Use Mj5 bootloader and any rom 4.x
Flash Kitkat 4.4.2 via mobilOdin and root.
Make sure status is ok (use triangle away if not)
Flash latest 4.4.2 bootloader via Odin (pcOdin)
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Surely it can be done that way.
This is for those who already upgraded to the newer builds.
Edit: FYI Triangle Away cannot reset Knox.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
Surely it can be done that way.
This is for those who already upgraded to the newer builds.
Edit: FYI Triangle Away cannot reset Knox.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.

robalm said:
Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.
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Okay. :thumbup:
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

can u do this with 7105 also?

romdroid. said:
can u do this with 7105 also?
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No idea about N7105
Do you know any N7105 stock firmware which is root able by saferoot/kingoroot without tripping knox?
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
Okay. :thumbup:
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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robalm said:
Ok.
What i mean was use Triangle away before you flash the 4.4.2 bootloader to get official status and binary count 0, the knox in MJ5 always stand 0.
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But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?

singhpratik87 said:
But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?
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I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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I don't think you kept up with haybill and paarkhi's comments in DN3.They were on mj5 and upgraded to ND3 BL and they got Knoxed
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smeet.somaiya said:
I don't think flashing ND3 BL will trigger knox.
Most of the users already flashed ND3 BL from MJ5 while they were on DN3. It doesn't trigger that way.
And yes about that guy, he never mentioned any detail that he downgraded from ND3 to which firmware of 4.3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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infact you were the one who brought it to mine and haybill's attention that upgrading BL to ND3 triggers Knox ,i'll just ask haybill to send me a screenshot from phone info

singhpratik87 said:
I don't think you kept up with haybill and paarkhi's comments in DN3.They were on mj5 and upgraded to ND3 BL and they got Knoxed
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I did read them. They got knoxed means they got a BL with Knox warranty Void 0. And @paarkhi confirmed it to me
And I really don't think it would trigger knox that way because the bootloader doesn't check the integrity of the firmware on your device when you're flashing the bootloader itself.
Also it doesn't trigger Knox while it boots up the system and finds unauthorized firmware.
Because we don't have Kernel lock and secure boot like on Qualcomm based N3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
I did read them. They got knoxed means they got a BL with Knox warranty Void 0. And @paarkhi confirmed it to me
And I really don't think it would trigger knox that way because the bootloader doesn't check the integrity of the firmware on your device when you're flashing the bootloader itself.
Also it doesn't trigger Knox while it boots up the system and finds unauthorized firmware.
Because we don't have Kernel lock and secure boot like on Qualcomm based N3.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Okay this is all too much for my brain to absorb at this time of the night ,i don't think i actually understand the difference between Knox warranty void and being Knoxed ,i guess since we install de-knoxed ROMs we can't get Knoxed ,just that our warranty goes out the window and we cannot downgrade beyond a certain OS right? If what i stated is wrong then i'll go to bed and dream of knox

singhpratik87 said:
Okay this is all too much for my brain to absorb at this time of the night ,i don't think i actually understand the difference between Knox warranty void and being Knoxed ,i guess since we install de-knoxed ROMs we can't get Knoxed ,just that our warranty goes out the window and we cannot downgrade beyond a certain OS right? If what i stated is wrong then i'll go to bed and dream of knox
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Lol. It's paritally right.
Don't worry buddy I'll help you learn Knox
Being Knoxed is getting that extra line in the download mode.
But this doesn't throw away your warranty. Warranty is lost only when this extra line in download mode ends with 1 instead of 0
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

singhpratik87 said:
But wouldn't flashing 4.4.2 BL trigger Knox? I got bit confused with @robalm method
@smeet.somaiya didn't some guy over at general forum under galaxy note 2 india told us that he downgraded from official 4.4.2 to stock 4.3 and his bootloader was downgraded as well?
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I cant say for sure if flashing only the new 4.4.2 bootloader via odin will trigger knox, i have not tested it myself.
My post was more of a question from me.

robalm said:
I cant say for sure if flashing only the new 4.4.2 bootloader via odin will trigger knox, i have not tested it myself.
My post was more of a question from me.
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In my opinion that shouldn't trip Knox.
Let us know if you test it.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100

smeet.somaiya said:
In my opinion that shouldn't trip Knox.
Let us know if you test it.
Sent from my Galaxy S5 GT-N7100
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Have you got any feedback yet?
I do not have the balls to try it, my warranty is still valid and i may need to have it on service in future.

robalm said:
Have you got any feedback yet?
I do not have the balls to try it, my warranty is still valid and i may need to have it on service in future.
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No feedback yet. But one thing i can say for sure that even if this method fails it won't hard rick your phone because we ain't downgrading the BL here.
And I found a similar method on S4 active forums. It seems it works very well.
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smeet.somaiya said:
No feedback yet. But one thing i can say for sure that even if this method fails it won't hard rick your phone because we ain't downgrading the BL here.
And I found a similar method on S4 active forums. It seems it works very well.
Sent from my GT-N7100 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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Ok.
But KNOX will trigger by flashing anything that is not samsung official? (same as the binary counter)

robalm said:
Ok.
But KNOX will trigger by flashing anything that is not samsung official? (same as the binary counter)
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Yes it would trigger by flashing unofficial firmware.
But here we ain't doing that too.
We're just flashing a older kernel+system partition (the whole PDA from MK4) that was vulnerable to root without tripping knox.
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I have DDUFND1. Even kingo doesnt recognize it. How can i get a one click root solution :crying:

How to root N9005 without tripping Knox

Hi guys i just got my Note 3 SM-N9005 yesterday and I need to root without tripping know.I just cant live without rooting anymore(have a lot of important apps that requires root) Ive been trying to search but Im still in doubt. I have 4.4.2 version and baseband/build no. DXUGNH1

Look on Alexandr thread. He explain how to.....

[email protected] said:
Hi guys i just got my Note 3 SM-N9005 yesterday and I need to root without tripping know.I just cant live without rooting anymore(have a lot of important apps that requires root) Ive been trying to search but Im still in doubt. I have 4.4.2 version and baseband/build no. DXUGNH1
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go for towelroot best till mow system status official and knox 0x0 i am using it.
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Thanks guys actually ive read his post,just afraid of rooting w/o the confirmation for my baseband or does it matter?should it work on all 4.4.2 versions?

[email protected] said:
Thanks guys actually ive read his post,just afraid of rooting w/o the confirmation for my baseband or does it matter?should it work on all 4.4.2 versions?
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if you are before may or june date i think i forgot then it will work and yeah to bw on the safe side make a backup for your efs with dr ketans backup app.
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Just an update. I was able to root N9005DXUGNH1 firmware without tripping knox using _alxndr method which means towel root did work. My problem now is my wifi, Sammobile has not released DXUGNH1 firmware yet on their website which means i wont be able to download its kernel to fix my wifi issue(tried DXUFNG2 at the moment) My question is that can I downgrade to DXUFNG2 firmware since I believe both would have the same bootloader I guess or wait till Sammobile uploads DXUGNH1 on their website which I dont know how long will they take to do so. I currently only have 3gb data plan so I would wish to fix this wifi issue more quickly as possible. Would really appreciate your Ideas. Thanks

towelroot wont work,

hi guys i just got an s4 a few hours ago the first thing i'm trying to do is root it, what i understand is towel.apk is only way to root without voiding knox. I tried towelroot it says my device is unsupported?
Galaxy S4 i9505 lte UK 4.2.2 XXUDMH6
can anyone help?

iamflamez said:
hi guys i just got an s4 a few hours ago the first thing i'm trying to do is root it, what i understand is towel.apk is only way to root without voiding knox. I tried towelroot it says my device is unsupported?
Galaxy S4 i9505 lte UK 4.2.2 XXUDMH6
can anyone help?
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Yeah.
1. Towelroot is for root android 4.3 or higher.
2. You can use CF-Auto-Root without void the warranty coz you are using android 4.2.2. This is the first firmware of the Galaxy s4 and it hadn't KNOX. You can flash any custom recovery too without KNOX.

Joku1981 said:
Yeah.
1. Towelroot is for root android 4.3 or higher.
2. You can use CF-Auto-Root without void the warranty coz you are using android 4.2.2. This is the first firmware of the Galaxy s4 and it hadn't KNOX. You can flash any custom recovery too without void the warranty.
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Actually I do have Knox, My counter says knox 0x0

iamflamez said:
Actually I do have Knox, My counter says knox 0x0
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I think you are wrong. Go to download mode and add me one screenshot of what appears there. I added one screenshot when I was using android 4.2.2. I promiss u that rooting your device with CF-Auto-root your KNOX will be off anyway.

Joku1981 said:
I think you are wrong. Go to download mode and add me one screenshot of what appears there. I added one screenshot when I was using android 4.2.2. I promiss u that rooting your device with CF-Auto-root your KNOX will be off anyway.
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Sorry but your info Is wrong, you were on an earlier, 4.2.2

iamflamez said:
Sorry but your info Is wrong, you were on an earlier, 4.2.2
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If you don't know what is the difference btw Knox and binary flash counter isn't my problem. One nice guide is in this website. Read and learn a little more.
* EDIT: This root process may increase binary flash counter, not change KNOX status. Read a little more about TRIANGLE AWAY too.

Joku1981 said:
If you don't know what is the difference btw Knox and binary flash counter isn't my problem. One nice guide is in this website. Read and learn a little more.
* EDIT: This root process may increase binary flash counter, not change KNOX status. Read a little more about TRIANGLE AWAY too.
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Cf root will trigger my knox though. I have used cf root and triangle away many times on my s2 and my s3. I know the difference between knox and binary. Believe me your 4.2.2 I don't think was mh6, must have been earlier 4.2.2. This is my download mode.

iamflamez said:
Cf root will trigger my knox though. I have used cf root and triangle away many times on my s2 and my s3. I know the difference between knox and binary. Believe me your 4.2.2 I don't think was mh6, must have been earlier 4.2.2. This is my download mode.
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KNOX started in android 4.3. You can read THIS article for your info :highfive:. You can try IROOT app too.

Joku1981 said:
KNOX started in android 4.3. You can read THIS article for your info :highfive:. You can try IROOT app too.
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Sorry my friend but once again you are wrong! Knox started in 4.2.2
I know you are trying to help but YOU need to read more before giving advice, because if anybody listened to your advice they would void the knox counter.
Look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=46189882&postcount=1