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Is it the same kind of touchscreen as all the other HTC models have or is it like the iPhone....
The onlu thing about the iphone is it's touch screen of hard glass coated with stuff to make it touch sensitive.
This looks to be hard glass too but it's very hard to see on video is there anybody who knows if it's hard glass or the same kind of touch screen as the Touch pro has...
Watskeburt,
Well the French chick in the video decribed the HD as having a better touchscreen than the diamond and it bieng almost as good as the Iphones. Although the Iphones touch screen is capacitive.
The Hd's touch screen is still pressure sensitive.
The HD's touch screen will be the same as the Diamond and Touch Pro. As the guy in the video was saying it was sensitive, he scrolled along the bottom of TF3D and it stopped going with his finger and treated it as a tap later down the line of icons. No touch screen can compare to a capacitive screen, the iPhone and G1 will always be more sensitive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aiw5PsQ50Uc
Skip to like 1:25, as he says it's a very sensitive screen it doesn't even track his finger along the bottom.
The screen isn't multitouch compatible. if that's what you were asking.
No i was just wondering what kind of glass was used.
Is it lik ethe iPhone. Regular hardened glass with a touch sensitive coating ( that wears off after a while i know)
or is it the same old touchscreen that we are used to. You know sevral layers of thin glass and plastic that's so easy to scratch and break......
Well, "scratch" and "break" are relative, IMO. The iPhone's glass screen may have a more durable feel under normal finger usage but can shatter more easily when dropped, whereas plastics might feel cheaper but have a bit more give for better durability under sudden shock.
Resistance to scratches will depend wholly on the type of scratch abuse and choice of screen protector.
As far as the glass+capacitive coating (on the iPhone) goes, let me say that resistive touchscreens are also susceptible to damage, namely the "oil patch" where the touch-sensitive layer is subject to too much pressure and "breaks" (not immediately, but over time it loses its accuracy/sensitivity) and discoloration similar to an oil patch appears. This has happened to me on my Touch Pro, and others on their Diamonds, and I suspect it might happen on the HD as well (since it is also a flush-mounted touch-resistive display).
The capacitance screen of the iPhone also means it cannot be used with anything other than a finger, i.e. no stylus. This means that every interface has to be sized accordingly for finger user rather than being able to be smaller and more detailed for stylus use.
It's true that in the french video the menu scroller does not keep up with his finger. However, he is brushing the menu very lightly in order to demonstrate that the pressure threshold is much lower. No, it does not equal a capacitive screen, but he does specifically state that it is different to that of the diamond in terms of sensitivity. The diamond requires a lot of pressure, and you don't need a capacitive screen just to have it respond to much less pressure.
capacitance screen for winmo?
I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
canonyau said:
I wonder whether it would be possible for a capacitance screen to work with WinMo? I am massively jealous of the easy usability of my friend's iPhone, but at the end of the day, I use winmo programs. Capacitance screens feels like a superior technology - it just works better with your fingers
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I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
I can tell you that the screen is really great. better than i thought.
It is still a resitive screen, but it feels like glass, especially after you put the screen protector which comes with the device on the screen. an as far as it goes, i think its very scratch resistent, even against fingernails and so.
It doesn't even feel like you are pressign the screen, its much more like the iphone glass display and comes very close to it.
donbronzi said:
I disagree about the superior technology. As was said earlier in this thread you can't use a stylus witha captive screen or gloved fingers come to think about it. What about a combination of the 2, that would be superior tech.
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Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
fallenczar said:
Sorry, but it is a common misconception that capacitive touch screens cannot work with stlylii. (largely attributed to iphone not requiring or shipping with a stylus)
Have a look here
http://www.fashionfunky.com/2008/08/japanese_iphone_stylus.php
http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/?cpg=ab
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Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
donbronzi said:
Ok Ok. You can use a stylus with a capacitive screen but it has to be charged i.e produce electrons. On HTC devices you can use anything thats at hand.
Like i said before i like the feeling of a capacitive screen but it does lack in key areas. A combination of the 2 screens would be the future, but i'm sure there are technical limitations to such a project.
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this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
fallenczar said:
this is way off topic , but what you want is already out here - http://www.touchscreens.com/intro-touchtypes.html
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Now that my friend is the future! Lol
Sorry to all if we are going off topic
I wear leather gloves when it is cold and I am happy that I would not need to take them off to use my phone and freeze my fingers when outside. I have seen iphone users wearing gloves taking them off to use the phone. I guess another perk to using pressure sensitive screen - warmer hands
seeing no body answered OP's question, but all came at a very close tangent, i'll take a stab at it.
HD's screen is not glass, it cannot be glass like iphone because HD requires it screen to "bend" and "depress" a little at the specific spot so the second layer can sense the pressure. the first//top layer is only a screen, touch/pressure panel is beneath that.
do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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do you definitely need to put a screen protector on or is it going to be pretty scratch resistant without?
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I didn't test ist without the screen protector (but the one which is in the package is very good and invisible, as the edges are perfectly cut.)
With the Screen protector of the packages, it seems very scratch resistant and fells like the glass iphone screen
did the screen protector go on easy or do you have the bubbling problem?, this is the main reason i dont bother with screen protectors.
Is it possible that there's a manufacturing defect in some of the glass over the screens?
I've seen many videos of people taking keys, scissors and other various sharp instruments to their screens and having them show no damage - yet my screen which has been babied since day 1 (literally, in the case except for when in use, never put in pocket with keys, screen protector installed within a couple weeks of purchase, never dropped) seems to have many surface scratches in it.
I realize it would be exceptionally difficult to prove that I haven't somehow abused the screen, but is there any chance that I have a shot of getting a new phone with a warranty claim?
I'd appreciate any advice, or similar issues people are seeing.
When you realized scratches on the screen where you holding it up against light?
Android Touch said:
When you realized scratches on the screen where you holding it up against light?
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Yes, they only show if the screen is off and generally at an ideal angle. Is the thought that it's dust as opposed to scratches?
thats just the touch screen input and such if the lines run diagonally, and if you see dots those are also part of the touch screen. I thought that also when I held it up in the light the first time
+1
I was like OMGGGGGG wtf but.... in all actuality about a second later I realized that this is indeed normal: )
aob said:
Yes, they only show if the screen is off and generally at an ideal angle. Is the thought that it's dust as opposed to scratches?
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dahui9 said:
thats just the touch screen input and such if the lines run diagonally, and if you see dots those are also part of the touch screen. I thought that also when I held it up in the light the first time
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Word... if you're seeing a cross-hatch pattern of lines, that's just the touchscreen.
My HD2 was developing an issue with it's screen, white patches were appearing. So I sent it off to O2 to be repaired, and while the problem has been fixed, it's been returned with a non-glass screen with no diamond shaped etching on it like I had on the original.
Anyone else had this?
what do you mean by diamond shaped etching? and is it still multitouch?
If you look closely on the HD2, the screen has fine diagonal lines etched on the glass which cross making what appears to be diamond shapes on the screen. The screen on mine isn't glass now, it's plastic and those fine lines aren't there. I was just wondering if anyone else had had a repair and had the same thing happen.
It is still mutlitouch. I'm just trying to decide if I should complain.
Pagnell said:
If you look closely on the HD2, the screen has fine diagonal lines etched on the glass which cross making what appears to be diamond shapes on the screen. The screen on mine isn't glass now, it's plastic and those fine lines aren't there. I was just wondering if anyone else had had a repair and had the same thing happen.
It is still mutlitouch. I'm just trying to decide if I should complain.
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Are there any other notable differences? Is it more easily scratched, less transparent, more reflective, etc.?
If so, then yes, you should definitely complain.
as plastic is alot more prone to scratches, i would complain...
Pagnell said:
If you look closely on the HD2, the screen has fine diagonal lines etched on the glass which cross making what appears to be diamond shapes on the screen. The screen on mine isn't glass now, it's plastic and those fine lines aren't there. I was just wondering if anyone else had had a repair and had the same thing happen.
It is still mutlitouch. I'm just trying to decide if I should complain.
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I understand this must be really annoying for you, but tbh I find it really interesting.
Is your new screen still capacitive? Does a normal stylus or other object still work on it? (ie. is it still resistive?)
I never realised you could get multitouch plastic screens....
i would definitely file a complain. you bought your hd2 with a glass screen and its weird that its plastic. yes there are diamond shaped etchings in the glass screen.
so all capacitive screens should be glass covered? hmm... interesting.
Pagnell said:
If you look closely on the HD2, the screen has fine diagonal lines etched on the glass which cross making what appears to be diamond shapes on the screen. The screen on mine isn't glass now, it's plastic and those fine lines aren't there. I was just wondering if anyone else had had a repair and had the same thing happen.
It is still mutlitouch. I'm just trying to decide if I should complain.
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I had mine repaired and yes, the lines seem to be gone. I think this has to do with the improved hardware and not because its plastic.
f*ck that. complain, you bought the hd2 and you want it back the same way you bought it.
WHOA!
This is either a HUGE insight to something about the amount of screen blotches being received.
or
You are dealing with a crappy fix.
I honestly have never heard of a PLASTIC CAPACITIVE LENS!?!?!
Will this be a common resolution to HD2 shatter/blotch?
there are capacative screens with plastic face...
the samsung f480 has one either
Hmmm
pkchips said:
I understand this must be really annoying for you, but tbh I find it really interesting.
Is your new screen still capacitive? Does a normal stylus or other object still work on it? (ie. is it still resistive?)
I never realised you could get multitouch plastic screens....
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Battle to the finish.
CyberSniper said:
I had mine repaired and yes, the lines seem to be gone. I think this has to do with the improved hardware and not because its plastic.
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That's good to know, maybe I'm wrong about it being plastic although it doesn't feel the same. Is your's definitely still glass?
Why not post some pics here ? Wanna see it. Best would be to do the pics in various angles to a light source to see what consistency it has ............
I noticed the diamond etchings on my HD2 straight out of the box brand new, still glass though.
may be we should look at tmob us screen and see it's type
Oberoth said:
there are capacative screens with plastic face...
the samsung f480 has one either
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All capacitivie screens are made of glass - or else the technology wouldn't work since its basically a grid with electric current covering the screen, and this grid you disturb with your fingers. Plastic is NOT leading electricity so it would not work. And btw, the Samsung F480 has a Resistive touchscreen.
That's not strictly true. Neither glass nor plastic conduct electricity - but both act as a dielectric for electrostatic fields. A capacitive touch screen can theoretically work with either plastic or glass (or even air), because capacitive touch doesn't actually require that you touch the screen.
glass conduct electricity
Strictly speaking, hardly anything conducts no electricity, it's just a question of a material's resistance and therefore the amount.
I've notice that my screen ripples alot on the left side of the screen. It doesn't really take that much force to cause it. Is this a defect in the product or just a case of thin glass? The screen touch sensitivity works just fine just has ripple effect when pressing on the screen lightly.
My N7 does this a little when there's slight pressure on the center left side of the screen. It happens in the same place that I get minor screen lifting and creaking. Maybe it has something to do with the glass being pressed too close to the screen. I've had a number of iPod Touch 4th generation devices that have the effect you're describing so it isn't just limited to this first batch of N7.
I think if you're having to press it deliberately to see it and it doesn't show in normal use, it might not be an issue, as it isn't for me. But then again I have several other issues with my N7 that bother me a lot more.
If you do see it regularly in normal use, I think it would be reasonable to get a replacement.
I not a "serious" problem to me yet but it only really happens if i tap the screen with my nail oppose to my thumb / finger tips.
Usually this is a consequence of screen lifting. Many units are having adhesive failures on the left side of the display, causing it to lift up.
To check for screen lifting, hold the device at eye level with the right portrait side closest to you. Look across the display and hold it so the left bezel is visible as a thin, silver line. If the display is flush, it will not interrupt that line. If the black cuts into the silver, you know that the adhesive on the left side of your display is starting to fail.
But for what you're experiencing to happen, such a subtle test is usually unnecessary. Just look at that edge and see if it moves when you press it. It may feel spongey or make a creaking noise.
This defect does qualify you for an exchange. If your screen distorts under pressure that's not good for it, and all that bending will shorten the lifespan of your device. Also, if there is separation it may progress and become noticeable during normal use.
diabloking said:
I not a "serious" problem to me yet but it only really happens if i tap the screen with my nail oppose to my thumb / finger tips.
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Gotcha. Yeah, it's one of those things that once you notice it's hard to ignore. Just as it is with all the other N7 issues and electronic devices in general.
Does it do it just on the edge of the left area of the screen or closer to the middle?
You generally don't want to be using your nail to use the screen, but I can see how that would illustrate the effect.
I completely agree with the above poster.
pxlitup said:
Usually this is a consequence of screen lifting. Many units are having adhesive failures on the left side of the display, causing it to lift up.
To check for screen lifting, hold the device at eye level with the right portrait side closest to you. Look across the display and hold it so the left bezel is visible as a thin, silver line. If the display is flush, it will not interrupt that line. If the black cuts into the silver, you know that the adhesive on the left side of your display is starting to fail.
But for what you're experiencing to happen, such a subtle test is usually unnecessary. Just look at that edge and see if it moves when you press it. It may feel spongey or make a creaking noise.
This defect does qualify you for an exchange. If your screen distorts under pressure that's not good for it, and all that bending will shorten the lifespan of your device. Also, if there is separation it may progress and become noticeable during normal use.
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I don't see any sort of screen separation, screen looks as flush as it should be. Plus I have no creaking noise and/or spongey effect. :\
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Gotcha. Yeah, it's one of those things that once you notice it's hard to ignore. Just as it is with all the other N7 issues and electronic devices in general.
Does it do it just on the edge of the left area of the screen or closer to the middle?
You generally don't want to be using your nail to use the screen, but I can see how that would illustrate the effect.
I completely agree with the above poster.
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I agree once I found it it now bugs me lol. It happens not really towards the middle just maybe a centimeter above the status bar at the bottom.
I don't know how to explain this. The corner of the screen is somehow 'broken'. I am not familiar with the construction of such an LCD display. I thought it was the screen protector....but it isn't, I can see by pressing with the finger that it is BELOW the surface, and it is not a bubble of the screen protector. Also the nexus 7 surface is one single surface, and there would be no reason why the screen protector would lift exactly in that point. It has something to do with the real display, below the glass surface. See photos.
The colours are displayed correctly. Also the problem is not visible on high brightness or lighter colours. But i simply hate it not having everything in the right shape, as much as i hate dead pixels (I luckily haven't for the moment).
Would this be a good reason to have it replaced by warranty?
The device comes from 'Mediaworld' which is a chain in europe (or mediamarkt, in germany). Would I have to remove ROOT before I go and ask?