Requirements to Receive Bounty
To earn the bounty, you simply have to find the exploit which will allow the following. You do not have to develop a recovery, or a kernel or a ROM, but you must provide with a working proof of concept, i.e. with a way which allows us to verify that the bootloader has been completely unlocked and that other developers can use this method to install recovery, kernel and ROMs.
Other owners of the MOTO G XT1028 will then test your method, that when we give the bounty to who earns after we successfully test.
WE HAVE $250 for and unlocked bootloader and $60 for ROOT
The following people have pledged the following amounts for an unlocked bootloader unless stated otherwise.
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Triumph750 -- $20
DragonRyderX -- $20 to 30
tstivers1990 -- $20
NWKENT -- $75 for Unlocked, $30 for Root exploit
luna_joao -- $20
d4rk3 -- $20 to $50
pfroo40 -- $20 For Root
motrinHD -- $20
mvnsnd -- $20
shorenster -- $20
hexed6 -- $25
JooseyJay -- $10 for Unlock, $10 For Root
SO FAR WE HAVE $250 for and unlocked bootloader and $60 for ROOT.
Honestly, I'm just interested in root without unlocking the bootloader. And we need to leave something open for the possibility of a work around, such as the bootstrap methods used on other phones.
lightningdude said:
Honestly, I'm just interested in root without unlocking the bootloader. And we need to leave something open for the possibility of a work around, such as the bootstrap methods used on other phones.
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I almost want to say it's not worth it because you can buy the unlocked version for $100 more...
Then again I'd rather my money go to the devs, and it's pretty silly to have to pay to be able to free your phone from the grips of a greedy corporation.
lightningdude said:
Honestly, I'm just interested in root without unlocking the bootloader. And we need to leave something open for the possibility of a work around, such as the bootstrap methods used on other phones.
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you know, I kinda agree. but unlocked but loader would open so many doors. this is good, we need to discuss our goal. if more people agree with you I would change bounty.
redking117 said:
I almost want to say it's not worth it because you can buy the unlocked version for $100 more...
Then again I'd rather my money go to the devs, and it's pretty silly to have to pay to be able to free your phone from the grips of a greedy corporation.
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I agree with you in the sense of giving money to devs,but I say it is worth it because the gsm version can unlocked. sure they pay a little more, but they can also switch carriers
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redking117 said:
I almost want to say it's not worth it because you can buy the unlocked version for $100 more...
Then again I'd rather my money go to the devs, and it's pretty silly to have to pay to be able to free your phone from the grips of a greedy corporation.
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Except for the fact that the only truly reliable network in my area is Verizon. Frankly, I'm tired of getting screwed with this stuff just because I'm rural.
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i am also always stuck with locked bootloadrs, thats why i wanted to start this.
so are the CDMA community simply not seeing this thread, or do you not care? please post.
Are we strictly talking the Verizon CDMA version?
I know that Boost and US Cell are both selling the Moto G. I would be interested in having detailed instructions for rooting and unlocking the bootloader for a Boost version
ADonovan said:
Are we strictly talking the Verizon CDMA version?
I know that Boost and US Cell are both selling the Moto G. I would be interested in having detailed instructions for rooting and unlocking the bootloader for a Boost version
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Yes, this is just the Verizon version. I believe I've seen posts from people on boost that unlocked the same way as gsm.
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I'd be in on this the ability to flash Roms would be awesome. Unlocked boot loader would be really nice but root would be a good start to
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Yes!!!!!!!!
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so you guys think that root would be a more attainable goal?
Also, about boost Mobile Version. I didn't mention because i was reading through a thread and it sounded like many users were able to unlock their bootloader.
motrinHD said:
so you guys think that root would be a more attainable goal?
Also, about boost Mobile Version. I didn't mention because i was reading through a thread and it sounded like many users were able to unlock their bootloader.
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The Boost mobile version version of the Moto G XT1031 has an unlockable bootloader but its not listed as supported on Motorola's website.
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Unlocked Bootloader for Verizon much needed
I would definitely make a donation of 20$ to get my bootloader unlocked. If I had known at the time of purchase I NEVER would have bought this phone!! I NEED Root. never had this problem with any other phone or carrier
motrinHD said:
so you guys think that root would be a more attainable goal?
Also, about boost Mobile Version. I didn't mention because i was reading through a thread and it sounded like many users were able to unlock their bootloader.
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Root would definitely be easier to achieve, perhaps edit the title to something like:
"BOUNTY: Unlock Bootloader and/or Root for XT1028"
I'm on too!
$100 the GSM version? Where? Only with 2yr contract right?
nice to see more people are on board!
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Root would definitely be easier to achieve, perhaps edit the title to something like:
"BOUNTY: Unlock Bootloader and/or Root for XT1028"
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I think the bounty should be clear. we should ask for root or bootloader, not both. MORE MEMBERS chime in on this please.
also when you post, let's also discuss the method we are going to raise money. In the OP I mentioned three.
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Personally, I'd rather pledge, then pay the person who does it. I know not everyone will go through with it, but I will.
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I am on board!
I would be down for donating 20 to 30 bucks for some ROM flashing abilities. Allow the XT1028 to have a recovery and I will show my gratitude monetarily. Bonus if someone could mimic the DROID3's safestrap "ROM slots" ability. Swap roms almost instantly is awesome. Where is HASHCODE when we need him!?
Sorry, probably a dumb question but would this allow the Boost version of the Moto G to be unlocked as a GSM phone as well or just CDMA?
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Hi,
I am planning to buy an AT&T S4 and then terminate the contract early by paying of the fee.
Once the device is unlocked will I be able to run it on T-Mobile as well ? I know one of the HSPA+ bands is not available on the AT&T device, so will only the HSPA+ speeds be affected or will I still be able to use the phone on LTE/EDGE ?
Also, from what I read in the forums, there is a bootloader lock on the device, is that easily bypassed ? cause I want to run the Google play edition ROM/Slimbean /CM ROM on this phone.
Thanks
What do you mean, break the contract?
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jd1639 said:
What do you mean, break the contract?
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I mean by paying off the 325 early termination fee.
Let me give you some advice. Instead of trying to "break contract" with AT&T, why don't you just buy a T-Mobile s4 which already comes with an unlocked bootloader out of the box. I know it may cost a little more for the T-mo s4 but believe me, it's going to cost you a lot more later in life if you decide to go the route of stealing, I mean breaking contact from AT&T.
getbuzzin said:
Let me give you some advice. Instead of trying to "break contract" with AT&T, why don't you just buy a T-Mobile s4 which already comes with an unlocked bootloader out of the box. I know it may cost a little more for the T-mo s4 but believe me, it's going to cost you a lot more later in life if you decide to go the route of stealing, I mean breaking contact from AT&T.
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+1:thumbup:
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getbuzzin said:
Let me give you some advice. Instead of trying to "break contract" with AT&T, why don't you just buy a T-Mobile s4 which already comes with an unlocked bootloader out of the box. I know it may cost a little more for the T-mo s4 but believe me, it's going to cost you a lot more later in life if you decide to go the route of stealing, I mean breaking contact from AT&T.
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How is it stealing if I am legally terminating the contract and paying off the fee ?
vortexmak said:
How is it stealing if I am legally terminating the contract and paying off the fee ?
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Lol. Jedi mind tricks. But editing your original post to cover for yourself is not cool.
getbuzzin said:
Lol. Jedi mind tricks. But editing your original post to cover for yourself is not cool.
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No mind tricks. Since the original post did'nt convey the ETF part, I edited it to convey what I meant by 'break the contract'
+1 I saw the same thing.
Xda doesn't condone anything illegal or immoral, or smelling of such.
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Guys, there's nothing wrong with doing this. It's all legal, and aboveboard. It's what the early termination fee is there for.
That said, I wouldn't do it myself. Using this route, the cost would be $200 for the phone + $36 activation fee + $325 early termination fee = $561 total. The outright cost for a T-Mobile S4 is $580. That's a hell of a lot of trouble to go to to save $19. Especially since you end up with a locked bootloader.
mattdm said:
Guys, there's nothing wrong with doing this. It's all legal, and aboveboard. It's what the early termination fee is there for.
That said, I wouldn't do it myself. Using this route, the cost would be $200 for the phone + $36 activation fee + $325 early termination fee = $561 total. The outright cost for a T-Mobile S4 is $580. That's a hell of a lot of trouble to go to to save $19. Especially since you end up with a locked bootloader.
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That's what I have been trying to explain before the lynching . I am no trying to do anything illegal here.
Phone is $100 currently That's $461 compared to the TMobile $670 (580 phone + 40 Tax + 50 first month service)
Anyway, please ignore all the above. I'll just stick to the technical questions
It would be helpful if someone could let me know if currently there is anyway past the locked bootloader ?
How are people able to load custom ROMs ? and is it possible to activate AWS band on it ?
Thanks
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That's what I have been trying to explain before the lynching . I am no trying to do anything illegal here.
Phone is $100 currently That's $461 compared to the TMobile $670 (580 phone + 40 Tax + 50 first month service)
Anyway, please ignore all the above. I'll just stick to the technical questions
It would be helpful if someone could let me know if currently there is anyway past the locked bootloader ?
How are people able to load custom ROMs ? and is it possible to activate AWS band on it ?
Thanks
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Don't forget to add in a month of service with AT&T - Voice and Data - they want their 2 lbs of flesh as well.
As for your other questions - did you read any of the threads in the forums? The ones about loading ROMS or activating Tmo bands?
But as others have said, if you want to run on TMO, it may be worth the cost to not have a locked boot loader. The exploit being used may be patched, and some have created quite the issue trying to unlock and such. If your time is not worth money, then save some $$$$ - but I would spend the extra and go for official unlocked. Maybe even the google version since you are basically buying it outright.
The information you ask for is all here at the top of this forum and the general forum.
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Phone is $100 currently That's $461 compared to the TMobile $670 (580 phone + 40 Tax + 50 first month service)
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Don't forget to add in a month of service with AT&T - Voice and Data - they want their 2 lbs of flesh as well.
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Alphadog brings up a good point that I didn't consider: you'll still have to pay the first month of the AT&T service.
vortexmak said:
Anyway, please ignore all the above. I'll just stick to the technical questions
It would be helpful if someone could let me know if currently there is anyway past the locked bootloader ?
How are people able to load custom ROMs ? and is it possible to activate AWS band on it ?
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The bootloader lock is fairly easy to baypass right now. But, that could change in the future, with a software update.
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Alphadog brings up a good point that I didn't consider: you'll still have to pay the first month of the AT&T service.
The bootloader lock is fairly easy to baypass right now. But, that could change in the future, with a software update.
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Thank you that's informative.
However, I'm wondering, once custom kernels and ROMs are loaded, doesn't AT&T lose all control. I mean if you don't want the stock update from AT&T and you already have everything enabled, how will they be able to disable the bypass?
vortexmak said:
Thank you that's informative.
However, I'm wondering, once custom kernels and ROMs are loaded, doesn't AT&T lose all control. I mean if you don't want the stock update from AT&T and you already have everything enabled, how will they be able to disable the bypass?
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You would have to apply the att update for the exploit to be patched. If you don't apply the update you'd be ok.
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jd1639 said:
You would have to apply the att update for the exploit to be patched. If you don't apply the update you'd be ok.
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Unless you have a future warranty replace or repair situation.
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Unless you have a future warranty replace or repair situation.
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+1
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I have a few follow-up questions in regards to the topic of using an AT&T S4 on T-Mobile. Aside from having to bypass the locked bootloader, are there any other disadvantages to using an AT&T S4 on T-Mobile that can't be overcome? I know that you can unlock the AWS bands, so does that mean that an AT&T S4 can end up functionally exactly the same as a T-Mobile S4?
Would anyone be interested in pledging for an unofficial bootloader unlock so we wouldn't lose our warranty?
I'd be in for $20.
Is there any information on unlocking our bootloader? I have yet to be able to find anything online other than this thread, I would also be in for $20 if we can get the unlock though.
Wait... What's wrong with Motorola's unlocking tool?
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I just got the phone, there's a tool from motorola to do this? lol I feel kinda dumb right now
If you unlock your device with motorola tool you void your warranty, with unofficial you voided too but they dont know that
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I get it now, oh well.... I still rather be unlocked
jstrayy said:
I just got the phone, there's a tool from motorola to do this? lol I feel kinda dumb right now
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Yes. On Sprint you can unlock straight from Moto...
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215
Hashcode got a Safestrap going for the Verizon and AT&T versions. Why don't you ping him in his thread (at the "other" website) and see what it would take to make it worth his time ($$) to tweak it to work with Sprint?
clankfu said:
Would anyone be interested in pledging for an unofficial bootloader unlock so we wouldn't lose our warranty?
I'd be in for $20.
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In the US, Motorola says your warranty is void if you have even so much as been rooted once. However... good luck with that. I guess?
If you pay for tep, just get your warranty work done at a sprint store. I'm a repair tech and I don't give a f€ck if someone is rooted or unlocked. Sh|t, I root customer's phones for them sometimes.
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at least you guys have an unlockable bootloader, the version im going to be getting wont be :/
Bradart said:
If you pay for tep, just get your warranty work done at a sprint store. I'm a repair tech and I don't give a f€ck if someone is rooted or unlocked. Sh|t, I root customer's phones for them sometimes.
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This. Worst case you have to pay a $150 deductible. While Sprint usually won't care or won't know if you have rooted/unlocked your phone I'm sure Motorola will be able to tell unofficial or not.
I've noticed that GeoHot stated this on his towelroot thread:
geohot said:
v2 is live! More support. Reboot on your own time.
Still no new HTC/Moto support from phones without writable system.
If someone is willing to give me one of these phones for testing I'll add support.
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The Moto G seems to be a good candidate, since it's very cheap (179$ the unbranded 8gb version, not sure if the 70$ verizon prepaid version is suitable for this) and should be enough for exploiting. Unfortunately I can't afford to buy one by myself, but with a bunch of pledges we can probably collect enough money for buying one for GeoHot. Probably this is the only concrete way to have a working root exploit with a locked bootloader.
I can start with a 20$ pledge. Anyone else?
Pledged:
20$ - Azarielz
20$ - BlueFlame4
10$ - super65man
5$ - giulio_splash
55$ pledged of ~179$ goal
Sounds like a good idea. We better go for the unbranded version for 179$.
So I would add 20$. How can we donate to GeoHot?
BlueFlame4 said:
Sounds like a good idea. We better go for the unbranded version for 179$.
So I would add 20$. How can we donate to GeoHot?
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He has a paypal address he uses for the bounties ([email protected]). So when the needed money is pledged we can send everything directly to him, obviously taking care to note the transaction id.
40$ so far, good!
donation
So I sent geohot a PM to see if he is interested in a spare XT1028 I've got. It's verizon pre-paid which means no boot loader unlock, so not sure if it will work for him or not. Will post a f/u when I hear back.
boggessb said:
So I sent geohot a PM to see if he is interested in a spare XT1028 I've got. It's verizon pre-paid which means no boot loader unlock, so not sure if it will work for him or not. Will post a f/u when I hear back.
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Great! We'll wait for his response.
If it will do the job and he'll manage to make towelroot working with Moto devices, we should turn all the pledges (not much so far, but better than nothing) into donations for him.
Every new pledger is welcome then!
Azarielz said:
Great! We'll wait for his response.
If it will do the job and he'll manage to make towelroot working with Moto devices, we should turn all the pledges (not much so far, but better than nothing) into donations for him.
Every new pledger is welcome then!
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I'll throw in 10 bucks as well, always been a fan of geohots work, he's honestly the best hardware hacker I've ever seen.
super65man said:
I'll throw in 10 bucks as well, always been a fan of geohots work, he's honestly the best hardware hacker I've ever seen.
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Added to the pledgers list!
http://swappa.com/listing/JIK785/view Prepaid for $90
Are the prepaids the same as the the regular service ones but IMEI locked so they can't get on the network as a normal phone?
dlumberg said:
http://swappa.com/listing/JIK785/view Prepaid for $90
Are the prepaids the same as the the regular service ones but IMEI locked so they can't get on the network as a normal phone?
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The Moto G device listed in the link, is a XT1028.. which is 3G only, no SIM, works on Verizon only..cannot work on any other network..and its also a CDMA device..I do own one of this model..
Locked or Unlocked has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the carrier or the OS..
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The Moto G device listed in the link, is a XT1028.. which is 3G only, no SIM, works on Verizon only..cannot work on any other network..and its also a CDMA device..I do own one of this model..
Locked or Unlocked has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the carrier or the OS..
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OK, I have a moto x so I don't really know much about the Gs. Thanks for the info.
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OK, I have a moto x so I don't really know much about the Gs. Thanks for the info.
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Yea the moto x, g, and e are pretty much the same phone with different features. Write protection is the same on all the devices, not sure about the droids though.
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Yea the moto x, g, and e are pretty much the same phone with different features. Write protection is the same on all the devices, not sure about the droids though.
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Yes..XT1080M Droid Maxx and XT1080 Ultra..also have "Write Protection"..but that's another story and thread..lol
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So I sent geohot a PM to see if he is interested in a spare XT1028 I've got. It's verizon pre-paid which means no boot loader unlock, so not sure if it will work for him or not. Will post a f/u when I hear back.
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Any news from geohot?
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Any news from geohot?
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Not a peep. Maybe he doesn't do PMs in XDA. Or maybe he's on vacation. Or hopefully neck deep in code
Either way, my offer still stands if he's interested. If any body else knows another way to contact him, feel free to pass it on.
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Not a peep. Maybe he doesn't do PMs in XDA. Or maybe he's on vacation. Or hopefully neck deep in code
Either way, my offer still stands if he's interested. If any body else knows another way to contact him, feel free to pass it on.
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Am I missing something, is this a root method of some kind? Don't we already have one?
MoseIlla said:
Am I missing something, is this a root method of some kind? Don't we already have one?
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It is. It's root without unlocking the bootloader.
It would help the people with the Verizon xt1031
5$ for me :fingers-crossed:
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Any news from geohot?
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$55 is enough to get him the Verizon variant of the moto g from best buy. If he figures it out, the same method should work with all moto g's. As for getting him to respond. I would contact a xda mod and see if they can get a hold of him.
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$55 is enough to get him the Verizon variant of the moto g from best buy. If he figures it out, the same method should work with all moto g's. As for getting him to respond. I would contact a xda mod and see if they can get a hold of him.
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The one I'm offering is the Best Buy Verizon pre-paid Moto G. I just sent a message to the e-mail he listed on the towelroot thread. I'll follow up with any response.
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The one I'm offering is the Best Buy Verizon pre-paid Moto G. I just sent a message to the e-mail he listed on the towelroot thread. I'll follow up with any response.
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Been a while, any news?
This can probably be ported to the Turbo since it works on a 2014 X
http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/02/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
https://github.com/laginimaineb/Alohamora
Beaups exploit could be redone as well. He released how. It's mostly no one is doing it.
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This can probably be ported to the Turbo since it works on a 2014 X
http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/02/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
https://github.com/laginimaineb/Alohamora
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The vulnerability he is using is old (he first disclosed it ~6 months ago) and does not apply to the turbo.
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Beaups exploit could be redone as well. He released how. It's mostly no one is doing it.
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Right. Droid Turbo owners don't need a "new" exploit. The one being used still works!
If someone doesn't like paying for the packaged solution (Sunshine) that contains that exploit, then repackage it. It's been publicly released.
Oh, but re-coding would require work!
However, the payment in this case is fair to reward the time and money the devs invested. Without them, there would be no solution.
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Right. Droid Turbo owners don't need a "new" exploit. The one being used still works!
If someone doesn't like paying for the packaged solution (Sunshine) that contains that exploit, then repackage it. It's been publicly released.
Oh, but re-coding would require work!
However, the payment in this case is fair to reward the time and money the devs invested. Without them, there would be no solution.
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Amen
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I don't really understand the complaints coming from people about the charge for sunshine unlock. I was happy to find out that I could unlock/root with a few clicks and not worry about doing all the leg work, especially considering I don't have the skill set required to be confident of not brick in my device with a more extensive unlock/root process.
Time is money and some individual(s) put time into developing something that some people are happy to have access to and pay for. Simple fact is, if you have an issue with paying for such a thing, then don't... But don't hate on the guys that are profiting from a skill set that not everyone is capable of, especially if said hater isn't capable or willing to provide an equally usable product.
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rg449 said:
I don't really understand the complaints coming from people about the charge for sunshine unlock. I was happy to find out that I could unlock/root with a few clicks and not worry about doing all the leg work, especially considering I don't have the skill set required to be confident of not brick in my device with a more extensive unlock/root process.
Time is money and some individual(s) put time into developing something that some people are happy to have access to and pay for. Simple fact is, if you have an issue with paying for such a thing, then don't... But don't hate on the guys that are profiting from a skill set that not everyone is capable of, especially if said hater isn't capable or willing to provide an equally usable product.
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The problem people have had with Sunshine is that root/bootloader unlock methods have traditionally been given for free—because they've been easier to crack.
Recently hacking has become more and more difficult—which makes developers have to spend more, and want more to make up for their losses on modding.
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Amen
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rg449 said:
I don't really understand the complaints coming from people about the charge for sunshine unlock. I was happy to find out that I could unlock/root with a few clicks and not worry about doing all the leg work, especially considering I don't have the skill set required to be confident of not brick in my device with a more extensive unlock/root process.
Time is money and some individual(s) put time into developing something that some people are happy to have access to and pay for. Simple fact is, if you have an issue with paying for such a thing, then don't... But don't hate on the guys that are profiting from a skill set that not everyone is capable of, especially if said hater isn't capable or willing to provide an equally usable product.
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Agreed!
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The problem people have had with Sunshine is that root/bootloader unlock methods have traditionally been given for free—because they've been easier to crack.
Recently hacking has become more and more difficult—which makes developers have to spend more, and want more to make up for their losses on modding.
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See Above! You get way more value for $20 then was ever given for free... and just because something used to be given away does not imply that it will continue to be in the future. Smart phones are still a relatively new product in the market and with Dev's who have now been through years of the exploiting, modifying, retiring cycle, there has to be incentive for them to stay engaged.
Additionally, I'll remind you that it hasn't been long since bounties were the norm. Everybody would post their promise to pay before and during development, then an exploit would be found and the bounty threads would clear out. Can't blame them for getting wise about collecting.
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See Above! You get way more value for $20 then was ever given for free... and just because something used to be given away does not imply that it will continue to be in the future. Smart phones are still a relatively new product in the market and with Dev's who have now been through years of the exploiting, modifying, retiring cycle, there has to be incentive for them to stay engaged.
Additionally, I'll remind you that it hasn't been long since bounties were the norm. Everybody would post their promise to pay before and during development, then an exploit would be found and the bounty threads would clear out. Can't blame them for getting wise about collecting.
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Actually, no you don't get more for paid methods. It's a one time unlock, and is device specific.
Let me reiterate that I am in no way complaining about Sunshine. I love the devs' work on our devices.
What I'm saying is that people's disappointment is understandable.
However, the devs already published the exploits and documents; all that's left is for someone to use them.
People have nothing to complain about now.
I get your point and I am in agreement with you. I didn't mean to imply that I'm not.
I'd like to clarify though, what I meant when I said you get more is that downloading an apk, pressing a few buttons, and spending all of 3 minutes to be unlocked is far simpler than it ever was in the past. I'm just pointing out that they went the extra mile to build an apk that's simple and elegant and does the heavy lifting for you whereas in the past we had to boot to recovery, flash, boot to boot loader, run adb, etc. The threads were full of people stuck and confused. Sunshine adds great value to the less savvy user and at least simplicity for the more savvy users.
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I get your point and I am in agreement with you. I didn't mean to imply that I'm not.
I'd like to clarify though, what I meant when I said you get more is that downloading an apk, pressing a few buttons, and spending all of 3 minutes to be unlocked is far simpler than it ever was in the past. I'm just pointing out that they went the extra mile to build an apk that's simple and elegant and does the heavy lifting for you whereas in the past we had to boot to recovery, flash, boot to boot loader, run adb, etc. The threads were full of people stuck and confused. Sunshine adds great value to the less savvy user and at least simplicity for the more savvy users.
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That is great to see as well; however, that makes development that much harder, and o know for a fact the people that whine about Sunshine's cost would deal with the difficulty of using fastboot and adb in order to save $25.
It is great, however, for less experienced people, and it's overall function. $25 is a steal for a fully moddifable device that was locked down so well.
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That is great to see as well; however, that makes development that much harder, and o know for a fact the people that whine about Sunshine's cost would deal with the difficulty of using fastboot and adb in order to save $25.
It is great, however, for less experienced people, and it's overall function. $25 is a steal for a fully modifiable device that was locked down so well.
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This response below is not necessarily directed towards you, but really for the entire discussion in this thread. I'm just quoting your post as it's a good point to continue the discussion.
1) I can't believe people who are buying $600 phones are complaining about $25 bootloader unlock. And I don't care if you got the phone for $200 on contract or even as a "free upgrade". You are STILL paying $600 for the phone over the course of the contract.
2) No one is forcing anyone to pay for bootloader unlock. Your phone will still work like when you bought it, and you bought locked down.
If you bought this phone, you knew it was locked down and bought it anyway (or should have known). Everyone knows Verizon locks down their phones. Don't buy a Verizon phone if you don't like Verizon's policies. (The XT1250 has free bootloader unlock and is the Droid Turbo under another name, same bands, etc and runs on Verizon. So, I don't want to hear that you NEED Verizon. You may need Verizon but you don't need Verizon phones. Look at the non-Verizon Nexus 6 as another example.) This phone went for an entire YEAR locked down, and people are complaining when there's finally a solution?
3) Someone mentioned the bounty threads.
Droid Turbo Bootloader unlock bounty reached over $5,000 before the op stopped counting.
Running Total: $5,140 for bootloader unlock / $3,370 for root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-unlock-bootloader-root-turbo-t2927958
It was actually MORE, but the op gave up counting. Go look at the first post and read some of the amounts... user names are listed.
I want to know if everyone who who pledged $25, $50, $100, even $200 actually bought Sunshine? If they didn't, then they had no intention of ever paying anyway. Sunshine is a way to put your money where your mouth is.
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4) I think people should rant more towards Verizon than devs who overcome Verizon's shortsightedness.
There's no valid reason to lock down the bootloader. None of the other Motorola Quarks have that condition -- same hardware, in at least one case the EXACT SAME FCC ID. Ever since the FCC made Verizon open up their LTE network to other phones not certified by Verizon (the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx -- the XT1254 Droid Turbo clone -- runs just fine on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, as does a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6) and made Verizon also open up their phones to work on OTHER LTE networks (many people are running the XT1254 Droid Turbo on AT&T and T-mobile), what are Verizon's justifications?
Unlocking the bootloader through Motorola -- as I have done with two of my three Quarks -- acknowledges you are voiding any warranty claims. So, that's actually LESS liability and cost for Verizon in support if they allowed users to unlock bootloader. It's a nonsensical leftover from a bygone era when Verizon tried to lock their devices to only their network.
Until Verizon realizes they need change their intransigence, we need devs to help. And for devs to invest tremendous time and money, they need to be reimbursed for bricked phones and time invested they could be doing other things.
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This response below is not necessarily directed towards you, but really for the entire discussion in this thread. I'm just quoting your post as it's a good point to continue the discussion.
1) I can't believe people who are buying $600 phones are complaining about $25. And I don't care if you got it for $200 on contract or even as a "free upgrade". You are STILL paying $600 for the phone over the course of the contract.
2) No one is forcing them to pay it. Everyone knows Verizon locks down their phones. Don't buy a Verizon phone if you don't like Verizon's policies. (The XT1250 has free bootloader unlock and is the Droid Turbo under another name, same bands, etc and runs on Verizon. So, I don't want to hear that you NEED Verizon. You may need Verizon but you don't need Verizon phones. Look at the non-Verizon Nexus 6 as another example.) This phone went for an entire YEAR locked down, and people are complaining when there's finally a solution?
3) Someone mentioned the bounty threads.
Droid Turbo Bootloader unlock bounty reached over $5,000 before the op stopped counting.
Running Total: $5,140 for bootloader unlock / $3,370 for root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-unlock-bootloader-root-turbo-t2927958
It was actually MORE, but the op gave up counting. Go look at the first post and read some of the amounts... user names are listed.
I want to know if everyone who who pledged $25, $50, $100, even $200 actually bought Sunshine? If they didn't, then they had no intention of ever paying anyway. Sunshine is a way to put your money where your mouth is.
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4) I think people should rant more towards Verizon than devs who overcome Verizon's shortsightedness.
There's no valid reason to lock down the bootloader. None of the other Motorola Quarks have that condition -- same hardware, in at least one case the EXACT SAME FCC ID. Ever since the FCC made Verizon open up their LTE network to other phones not certified by Verizon (the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx -- the XT1254 Droid Turbo clone -- runs just fine on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, as does a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6) and made Verizon also open up their phones to work on OTHER LTE networks (many people are running the XT1254 Droid Turbo on AT&T and T-mobile), what are Verizon's justifications?
Unlocking the bootloader through Motorola -- as I have done with two of my three Quarks -- acknowledges you are voiding any warranty claims. So, that's actually LESS liability and cost for Verizon in support. It's a nonsensical leftover from a bygone era when Verizon tried to lock their devices to only their network.
Until Verizon realizes they need change their intransigence, we need devs to help. And for devs to invest tremendous time and money, they need to be reimbursed for bricked phones and time invested they could be doing other things.
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One reason I love Motorola is because of their near-stock Android with actually useful enhancements, and the fact that you can unlock their devices straight from them.
Had I researched and known that the Verizon XT1254 was locked down before purchasing it, I might've gone for another one.
But hey, I got a wicked deal on a $270 blue Turbo, AND we got Sunshine like a month after. I got some serious luck.
ChazzMatt said:
Droid Turbo Bootloader unlock bounty reached over $5,000 before the op stopped counting.
Running Total: $5,140 for bootloader unlock / $3,370 for root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-unlock-bootloader-root-turbo-t2927958
It was actually MORE, but the op gave up counting. Go look at the first post and read some of the amounts... user names are listed.
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For the most part bounties don't pay, more often than not it costs me more to buy the phones than I got from the bounties. Exception being the first motorola bounty I collected
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For the most part bounties don't pay, more often than not it costs me more to buy the phones than I got from the bounties. Exception being the first motorola bounty I collected
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Out of curiosity. Did sunshine's $25 a pop pay off well? Mind you I'm not asking for dollars and cents. Merely is it a hobby that funds itself. Or a hobby that doesn't? Or is it actually a source of income?
I'm often curious the stats of bootloader unlocks/roots performed but in this instance that would be an invasion of privacy...
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Out of curiosity. Did sunshine's $25 a pop pay off well? Mind you I'm not asking for dollars and cents. Merely is it a hobby that funds itself. Or a hobby that doesn't? Or is it actually a source of income?
I'm often curious the stats of bootloader unlocks/roots performed but in this instance that would be an invasion of privacy...
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SunShine funds further research, its not my job, much of the research goes no where, much of it results in dead phones, sometimes it works out. Would be right for me to discuss numbers, I'm not the only one involved.
I know @jcase says he will no longer develop a new unlock method for Verizon..but I'm willing to pay $300 if someone can figure a new method to unlock the bootloader. I'm known on XDA and I will pay up immediately..if others would like to put money up as well that would be great.
*Note We Need Temp Root 1st B4 We Can Get An Unlock*
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/temp-root-verizon-bounty-t3602691
mrjaydee82- $300
calripkenturner01- $50
bobby janow- $50
shadolis- $50
Aninja- $50
igloohed73- $50
virusqg- $25
Scott- $10
spleenandcigars- $10
NalNalas- $70
honzel- $100
calripkenturner- $100
calripkenturner- $10
gabo1- $20
zengfu94- $30
dwreck420- $10
Semtronix- $100
mac796- $20
robo_kill- $60
Alg0rhyth3m- $20
mattwheat- $50
Total- $1225
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I know @jcase says he will no longer develop a new unlock method for Verizon..but I'm willing to pay $300 if someone can figure a new method to unlock the bootloader. I'm known on XDA and I will pay up immediately..if others would like to put money up as well that would be great.
mrjaydee82- $300
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Get someone to give us a new temproot for the pixel, and we will release a new unlock.
mrjaydee82 said:
I know @jcase says he will no longer develop a new unlock method for Verizon..but I'm willing to pay $300 if someone can figure a new method to unlock the bootloader. I'm known on XDA and I will pay up immediately..if others would like to put money up as well that would be great.
mrjaydee82- $300
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I'm in for $50
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I'm in for $50
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I have no desire to unlock or root. But I'm in for $50 too. What does it mean.. Temp root?
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Wish I had a Verizon pixel. I upgraded to fi after being on Verizon since 2009. Never going back to those guys.
Count me for $50... Thought I could live without root, but life sucks without it.
There have been a few interesting Linux priv escalation vulnerabilities. I think temp root is definitely within the realm of possibility.
As for what is meant by temp root. I assume one that doesn't need to persist across reboots. As soon as root is achieved theoretically you can change the prop file that contains the ability to unlock the bootloader, flip it, reboot and you're in.
I've been meaning to do a bit of kernel probing, but working at a startup consumes a LOT of my time.
Edit: Not sure if it's too late, but this one in particular looks interesting https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2017-04-01
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Edit: Not sure if it's too late, but this one in particular looks interesting https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2017-04-01
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You linked to the bulletin, not a specific vuln.
But again, I'm not looking to write an root exploit for a vuln, I'm saying if someone provides an exploit we will do the unlock part.
The unlock part is the easy bit . Don't worry though, I wasn't suggesting you or anyone specific to write the exploit. To be honest I don't think anyone has written one for this particular vulnerability, nor do I think there is time to do it as it's already been patched I believe.
My point was it's not as hopeless as it's made out to be, and it definitely can be done. There are exploits that come up all the time, it's a matter of writing up the code for it, and testing it in time. Sadly, my skillset lies much more in the operations side of computing and I suck with code (been a sys admin in some form or another for years now).
I would love to pitch in $50, but I'm struggling a bit financially at the moment so I don't know if I can commit haha. Let me know when it gets done though and I'll see if I can swing it at that time!
I can't stand Verizon having so much control over my phone, and especially now that that law passed, and they're going to be force installing apps to track my every move so they can sell it to advertisers, I need root now more than ever.. Please please someone get this done!
Put me down for $50. I'll keep tabs on this thread.
@mrjaydee82,
Maybe we need a separate bounty for temproot first?
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@mrjaydee82,
Maybe we need a separate bounty for temproot first?
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If you want to start up a thread for that I'm game I'll donate 50 to that
I'm good for 25 maybe more depending on the time frame
I'm broke but I will throw in $10.00.
Still on my second pixel and its still unlocked but I know there will be a day I break this one too.
I'm broke as possible, but I could do it with 10usd.
Scott said:
I'm broke but I will throw in $10.00.
Still on my second pixel and its still unlocked but I know there will be a day I break this one too.
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Do you know why some Pixels have the oem switch grayed out and some do not, even though they are on Verizon? I don't even care to unlock the bootloader I'm just curious. The only reason I'd like the switch to be active is to one day, when the phone is a secondary device, be able to do a full factory image flash after which I'd relock the bl in all likelihood. It's been suggested to reverse engineer the OS in order to find out but that is simply beyond my knowledge at this point.
Personally I do not need it as mine is already unlocked from the first exploit. But for those needing it, my question would be if this is done would the exploit be kept alive or would it be turned in to Google for them to just to patch it on the next update ? I know on exploits for the HTC flagships they keep the exploits going for s-off and do not turn them in hopefully any exploit found would be kept open for pixel and XL users the same and not get turned in to be taken away by Google.
+1 for $50 into the bounty
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Personally I do not need it as mine is already unlocked from the first exploit. But for those needing it, my question would be if this is done would the exploit be kept alive or would it be turned in to Google for them to just to patch it on the next update ? I know on exploits for the HTC flagships they keep the exploits going for s-off and do not turn them in hopefully any exploit found would be kept open for pixel and XL users the same and not get turned in to be taken away by Google.
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So far anybody who has unlocked, had been able to keep it. Hopefully Google will be cool about it.
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