Hi,
Has anyone done profession level or high quality sketching on Galaxy Tab 10.1? Is it possible to do high quality sketching/drawing on Galaxy Tab 10.1? I downloaded Sketchbook Pro over the weekend that has got me into sketching for fun. What are your experiences? What do you use - finger, stylus, screen protector, app, or any other tool? What are other tablets that in your opinion are better for sketching?
Thanks.
You are not going to be able to get the detail you might be looking for with our Galaxy tab. Not like you would with say the HTC Flyer or even the Galaxy note. It has to do with the digitizer I am told. There are apps that will allow you to tweak the touch settings on your tab but I don't think we are able to get them to the realistic detail as say a WACOM can on a PC or MAC. I do still doodle on my but mostly using paint brushes with bigger settings. Nothing really in a pencil or pen and ink style. It's a challenge but you might be surprised on what you can do.
if youre willing to adjust your style of drawing a little bit, you can make very detailed images on the tab 10.1, touchscreen sensitivity is a little off, but sketchbook pro uses that fact to produce smooth lines, the app is really good. if you put in a little effort, lots of zooming in to get fine details, you wont be disappointed. however, like the post above says, you wont get Wacom or Galaxy Note level fine control due to lack of digitizer.
Sketch book pro is a really good app. Let's see if official ICS brings any improvements in this respect.
The quality of pen input on my Note 10.1 seems very poor compared to Lenovo's Thinkpad android tablet. Here are some screenshots from Quill and Papyrus for comparison:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118035123044388609537/albums/5778924744771043441
These screenshots are zoomed in about 5x from the size at which the text was written to make the difference obvious.
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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The quality of pen input on my Note 10.1 seems very poor compared to Lenovo's Thinkpad android tablet. Here are some screenshots from Quill and Papyrus for comparison:
https://plus.google.com/photos/118035123044388609537/albums/5778924744771043441
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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I've seen that happen very occasionally in Lecture Notes... It's not as pronounced as yours, but it's the same thing.
Would be interested to see how many others are seeing the same thing.
That has never happened to me so far.
I have never used Lecture notes, so I cant comment on that, but pen - input has been working great for me in S Note.
This is not good news. I use Lecture Notes - it is my go-to app for notes. I'm getting mine tomorrow so I'll be testing and will report back.
The effect seems less noticeable in LectureNotes and S-Note under normal use because the minimum stroke width is relatively wide and, since both these save strokes as bitmaps instead of vector graphics, zooming in blurs everything. However, if I zoom out to 30% in LectureNotes, write, then zoom in, I see the same jaggedness.
Lecture Notes allows the user to set the pencil to any width, color or softness, softness adding an antialiasing effect.
If you set your pencils correctly there should be no jaggeness at all. Screen text on my Note looks fantastic in Lecture Notes, I actually prefer the realistic looking print to the S Note app. I mean, zoom in close on an image of actual pen or pencil on paper. The edges are not smooth at all.
I mean it's a note taking app. Why would you care that one looks slightly better than another at 5x magnification?
** I just looked at your images. Yeah you are doing the pencils wrong. Why would you want to write in super fine point anyway?
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FWIW I tried writing in a few apps (S Note, Writepad, and Papyrus) and I don't get any jagged lines. Will upload a screenshot later when I get a chance. This scared me for a second.
Edit: Here's a page of text from Papyrus: http://minus.com/lFGDz8vQlZUv3
As you can see, no jaggies like in your picture. Have you made sure that all battery saving options are off? That could cause some lag in the input capture.
Actually, if I zoom in the PDF you posted, I can see the same jaggedness, so the problem isn't my device. I guess I'm just too fussy
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These screenshots are zoomed in about 5x from the size at which the text was written to make the difference obvious.
Has anyone else observed this? Could I just have a defective unit? The final picture in the album shows the result of using the S-Pen from my Galaxy Note 10.1 on a Tablet PC running Windows (Thinkpad X61 tablet - also a Wacom digitizer), so I don't think there's anything wrong with the pen.
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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I can confirm it works on our notes as I have the same tablet, the added benefit is that you can use the eraser function of the x61t too.
HasC said:
I can confirm it works on our notes as I have the same tablet, the added benefit is that you can use the eraser function of the x61t too.
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Sweet! Now.. The long wait till the GNote arrives here in Australia
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Hi PBSurf, you have mentioned using the S pen on Windows Tablet PC wacom digitizer. Can you confirm if the reverse is true? That is to say, does your X61 pen work on the GNote. Coz that would be great! Especially with the felt tipped pens provided by Lenovo. Cheers!
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Yes, my X61T pen works on the Note 10.1. The eraser works in my application: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.styluslabs.write and probably some others (haven't checked). Unfortunately, the pen button does not work since Samsung reserves it for system-wide gestures (like double tap to bring up S-Note).
Samsung also offers an optional pen with an eraser for the Note.
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop...100200500150_BNY6142P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!
http://www.gearzap.com/official-samsung-s-pen-with-eraser-for-galaxy-note-10-1.html
I've got jaggies in Papyrus, and I imagine it's similar in Quill.
I think it has something to do with the vectorization of my strokes. If you zoom in and draw some curves, it's smooth until you take your pen off the surface, and then it goes jagged as the line is converted to points. I also think the pressure sensitivity is too high, so a bunch of fine lines at the end of letters appear when I don't actually want them.
I *think* the jaggedness is not a hardware issue... though the difference with the TPT and Note 10.1 is a little disconcerting. Maybe the TPT has a lower resolution digitizer so things are artificially straighter since there's a larger margin of error?
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I've got jaggies in Papyrus, and I imagine it's similar in Quill.
I think it has something to do with the vectorization of my strokes. If you zoom in and draw some curves, it's smooth until you take your pen off the surface, and then it goes jagged as the line is converted to points. I also think the pressure sensitivity is too high, so a bunch of fine lines at the end of letters appear when I don't actually want them.
I *think* the jaggedness is not a hardware issue... though the difference with the TPT and Note 10.1 is a little disconcerting. Maybe the TPT has a lower resolution digitizer so things are artificially straighter since there's a larger margin of error?
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Interesting ... you could see what happens in my writing application (see my previous post), since it does not smooth or otherwise alter the pen input, so nothing will change when the pen is lifted.
Since the s-pen (like any wacom pen) actually uses a pressure sensor between the tip and the pen body to determine when it's touching the screen, I did the following experiment: I put a piece of scotch tape over the tip of the s-pen tightly so that the tip was depressed and held in place. The pen of course then writes whenever it is in proximity to screen. In this experiment, I saw no jaggedness! I'm not sure what the implication of this is - maybe the problem is that the tip is too loose relative to the body. As I was packing up my Note 10.1 to return it, I noticed there were a bunch of replacement tips included, some of different types. Maybe trying a different type of tip might make a difference?
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Interesting ... you could see what happens in my writing application (see my previous post), since it does not smooth or otherwise alter the pen input, so nothing will change when the pen is lifted.
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Ooh, I missed the link to your app! I like it! Took me a while to figure out all the options but it seems like a really nice S-note alternative. I also like that it doesn't seem to have pressure sensitivity, or at least not as extreme as Papyrus. It makes my writing look nicer overall. Here's a test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4504287/test.html
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Since the s-pen (like any wacom pen) actually uses a pressure sensor between the tip and the pen body to determine when it's touching the screen, I did the following experiment: I put a piece of scotch tape over the tip of the s-pen tightly so that the tip was depressed and held in place. The pen of course then writes whenever it is in proximity to screen. In this experiment, I saw no jaggedness! I'm not sure what the implication of this is - maybe the problem is that the tip is too loose relative to the body. As I was packing up my Note 10.1 to return it, I noticed there were a bunch of replacement tips included, some of different types. Maybe trying a different type of tip might make a difference?
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I think the pen is just over-sensitive. When I write quickly with big long strokes, there's no jaggedness at all. When I reach the end of the stroke and thus slow down, it starts to jitter. Are you returning it because of this problem? That's sad
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Ooh, I missed the link to your app! I like it! Took me a while to figure out all the options but it seems like a really nice S-note alternative. I also like that it doesn't seem to have pressure sensitivity, or at least not as extreme as Papyrus. It makes my writing look nicer overall. Here's a test: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4504287/test.html
I think the pen is just over-sensitive. When I write quickly with big long strokes, there's no jaggedness at all. When I reach the end of the stroke and thus slow down, it starts to jitter. Are you returning it because of this problem? That's sad
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My main reasons for returning the Note 10.1 were the jagged writing, the inability to use the pen button in applications (since it's reserved for system-wide gestures) and TouchWiz (this was my first encounter with TouchWiz). I'll stick with my Thinkpad Android tablet for now, but I'm really looking forward to the Microsoft Surface Pro.
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My main reasons for returning the Note 10.1 were the jagged writing, the inability to use the pen button in applications (since it's reserved for system-wide gestures) and TouchWiz (this was my first encounter with TouchWiz). I'll stick with my Thinkpad Android tablet for now, but I'm really looking forward to the Microsoft Surface Pro.
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Really? You went back to the TPT? Pen button support will come, and the jagged writing will likely get fixed... Not to mention we're actually getting JB soon...
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Really? You went back to the TPT? Pen button support will come, and the jagged writing will likely get fixed... Not to mention we're actually getting JB soon...
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Jagged writing? Maybe if you use the ink pen on its thinnest setting. Other than that the antialiasing on the pen is outstanding. The pen writing on my Note is butter smooth.
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don't have that problem
and now i always use the pen on the original note 5.3,it works great,too
I read the thread about the apps for artist and even bought layer paint because of good review. I have also tried some free apps mentioned for drawing and the smoothest seems to be TV paint (for sketches). I cant afford to buy all the other apps right now to try it. So my question is, is there any app that is meant for drawings but as smooth as TV paint with palm rejection, pressure sensitivity and layers function? I know we can draw on TV paint but it seems too complicated. Anyone found a nice app with smoothness for sketching?
Also question to people who have updated Jelly bean. How is the Photoshop touch? Please can you mention the difference compared to ICS.
I have Autodesk Sketchbook pro for tablets, and it's the best app out there IMO. I've seen other reviews saying the same. It's quite cheap too.
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I read the thread about the apps for artist and even bought layer paint because of good review. I have also tried some free apps mentioned for drawing and the smoothest seems to be TV paint (for sketches). I cant afford to buy all the other apps right now to try it. So my question is, is there any app that is meant for drawings but as smooth as TV paint with palm rejection, pressure sensitivity and layers function? I know we can draw on TV paint but it seems too complicated. Anyone found a nice app with smoothness for sketching?
Also question to people who have updated Jelly bean. How is the Photoshop touch? Please can you mention the difference compared to ICS.
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TV Paint looks complicated, because its not actually a paint tool, its a full animation studio. I had a play with it the other day... impressive, but complicated!
I will learn it anyway though, there is also a help manual on the TV website.
As far as free apps goes... theres a free version of sketchbook pro, but I'm not sure what features it has locked because it is free. Theres a free version of Infinite Paint (Note) as well, which is a version specifically designed for the galaxy Note.
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I have Autodesk Sketchbook pro for tablets, and it's the best app out there IMO. I've seen other reviews saying the same. It's quite cheap too.
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In my experience, it doesnt palm reject. Im always zooming around or lines are just flying away from my point. I've gotten into the habit of working on LectureNotes but theyre all line drawings, ill try coloring soon and will report back.
I heard the same thing that sketchbook pro doesn't have palm rejection. I rest my palms alot and it's a must have for me. I can afford to buy few apps and test it but not all that was mentioned in the other thread. But damn TV paint is so smooth. Wish they could release an artist version.
I use sketchbook pro and don't seem to have trouble with my palm now, trick is to enable hovering pen icon in settings annd when you paint make sure the hovering icon is showing before putting your palm down and as long as you have that icon showing it you won't leave marks with your palm although it may zoom in and out sometimes but that's better than marks or lines
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I use sketchbook pro and don't seem to have trouble with my palm now, trick is to enable hovering pen icon in settings annd when you paint make sure the hovering icon is showing before putting your palm down and as long as you have that icon showing it you won't leave marks with your palm although it may zoom in and out sometimes but that's better than marks or lines
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Thanks for the tip. I keep turning my tablet around just to get the best angle to draw without touching the screen. Although an SPen only mode would be much more useful.
I believe there already is a Pen-only Mode in the notification menu
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I believe there already is a Pen-only Mode in the notification menu
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Can you clarify? Are you referring to the pop-up notification when removing the s-pen from its holder?
Sorry for not specify that this feature is found on the thinkpad tablet, I don't know if the note has one though. Anyway it is under Display setting
I've been looking for awhile for a stylus that performs like as if it's a wacom pen. So I can draw freely and have control of my brush. Is there anything like that? Can the N10 perform like that even? There's tons of information about the iPad and I'm really sick of it. I'd really appreciate it in advance.
Rinqt said:
I've been looking for awhile for a stylus that performs like as if it's a wacom pen. So I can draw freely and have control of my brush. Is there anything like that? Can the N10 perform like that even? There's tons of information about the iPad and I'm really sick of it. I'd really appreciate it in advance.
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I do not think you can get what you want with the Nexus 10 screen technology. The lag and inaccuracy will hurt the experience. One of the tablets that includes the Wacom SCREEN technology along with the pen is what you want.
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I do not think you can get what you want with the Nexus 10 screen technology. The lag and inaccuracy will hurt the experience. One of the tablets that includes the Wacom SCREEN technology along with the pen is what you want.
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Well, not literally will I be using it as a tablet source for drawings for pc if that's what you mean? I got sketch pad pro and wanted to be more effective at controlling the brush and such.
I've tried to do effective Sketchbook Pro sketching on everything from an iPad2 to a Nexus 10 to an Xperia Table Z and have never been satisfied with the experience. There was no pressure sensitivity and the lag always killed the flow. Even that platonic "best" stylus can't overcome the deficiencies of the Nexus 10 (and most other tablets).
You might want to look into the new Toshiba Excite Write (same resolution as Nexus 10 but $100 more expensive) or a Samsung Note tablet (much lower resolution but cheaper). Both species actually do have Wacom digitizer screens (so pressure sensitive) and come with a compatible stylus.
Personally, I'm going to try the Toshiba Write and see if that new Tegra 4 processor can eliminate the stylus lag.
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I've tried to do effective Sketchbook Pro sketching on everything from an iPad2 to a Nexus 10 to an Xperia Table Z and have never been satisfied with the experience. There was no pressure sensitivity and the lag always killed the flow. Even that platonic "best" stylus can't overcome the deficiencies of the Nexus 10 (and most other tablets).
You might want to look into the new Toshiba Excite Write (same resolution as Nexus 10 but $100 more expensive) or a Samsung Note tablet (much lower resolution but cheaper). Both species actually do have Wacom digitizer screens (so pressure sensitive) and come with a compatible stylus.
Personally, I'm going to try the Toshiba Write and see if that new Tegra 4 processor can eliminate the stylus lag.
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Ah, Ok. Well my tablet was inherited to me. So, still trying to tinker and such. But thank you for the insight.