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It's getting a bit tiring looking at all the posts asking if the status bar is black again or not. Anyway here you have the explanation on why it (probably) happened
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Picture:*http://i.imgur.com/bZUYU.jpgThis is my 8 month old Galaxy Nexus. The problem I'm showing here is inherent in OLED technology and not something that can be significantly improved. At best there might be a way to make the blue tinge a difference in brightness instead of color balance, but there will always be the problem of uneven degradation with OLED. And if you're wondering, no, it's not a problem with pentile but a problem with OLED (aka AMOLED) itself.More info:*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oled#DisadvantagesThis is why I'm complaining about the new Motorola phones still using this technology. It's suitable for lots of purposes, but NOT smartphones or other devices that commonly display the same things in certain areas of the screen. This is before I even start complaining about the other flaws OLED screens seem to have, like the grainy appearance and much slower pixel response time than Samsung's PR people would have you believe.For the moment, the ideal screen technology is IPS LCD, like the HTC One X uses, a device which is also very thin, attractive, and has much better battery life than the Galaxy Nexus despite having only a very slightly larger battery.
There you have it.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/107ihz/heres_a_picture_demonstrating_uneven_degradation/
It's getting a bit tiring looking at all the posts asking if the status bar is black again or not. Anyway here you have the explanation on why it (probably) happened
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Picture:*http://i.imgur.com/bZUYU.jpgThis is my 8 month old Galaxy Nexus. The problem I'm showing here is inherent in OLED technology and not something that can be significantly improved. At best there might be a way to make the blue tinge a difference in brightness instead of color balance, but there will always be the problem of uneven degradation with OLED. And if you're wondering, no, it's not a problem with pentile but a problem with OLED (aka AMOLED) itself.More info:*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oled#DisadvantagesThis is why I'm complaining about the new Motorola phones still using this technology. It's suitable for lots of purposes, but NOT smartphones or other devices that commonly display the same things in certain areas of the screen. This is before I even start complaining about the other flaws OLED screens seem to have, like the grainy appearance and much slower pixel response time than Samsung's PR people would have you believe.For the moment, the ideal screen technology is IPS LCD, like the HTC One X uses, a device which is also very thin, attractive, and has much better battery life than the Galaxy Nexus despite having only a very slightly larger battery.
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I wouldn't put too much into what that guy says. He is obviously full of crap when he says AMOLED has pixel response problems. OLED technically should have the best response times, bar none. That is one of it's advantages.
I couldn't create a quote on the xda app for some reason while creating a thread. Anyway yeah I disagree with him there but the colour decay part is right or at least visible in the previous phones
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I drew the very same conclusion! Posted it over on the JB discussion thread a while back. I've seen a few phones with a brighter band appearing where the status bar usually is while playing fullscreen games (obvious where a full white screen is displayed). The grey status bar is to probably help with the degradation.
He is work for Samsung, he want to convince us why Samsung change to Grey status bar. Lol, he is spy.
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I worked at Unpacked 2012 in May demonstrating the s3, before the evening show we all had a cahnce to chat to a host of designers of the phone, a issue was raised was about screenburn and general degrading of colours over time, they said that although the technology is susceptible to screenburn they had done all they can from a software side to prevent this.
As for the issue you raised, they said that they didn't feel it would become an issue in the operating life of the phone (remember they design these phones to be replaced every 12 to 48 months (maybe plus an extra 9 months on top of that). A lot of thought goes into designing these phones, and the screen is their own technology too, they know its limitations.
For this reason I am reluctant to believe that they suddenly decided to change the colour of the bar because they fear degradation, I think the grey bar just fits more nicely with the whole UI look they were going for.
Btw, I'm not trolling by making this comment but I quite like the off black/grey status bar.
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Btw, I'm not trolling by making this comment but I quite like the off black/grey status bar.
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I dont mind it either. If it was bright pink then maybe..
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I don't like the grey bar because all my wallpapers are bright at the bottom and fades to black at the top. Now there is grey part at the top now. oh well they made a fix for those of us who like it black. What would be better is a transparent bar. Like the sense one.
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Well I would post a screen shot but of course this stupid xda premium hd app is all screwed up.
XDA needs to fix this time now!!!
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There see??
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There see??
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I like the fact the bar is separated from the screen, might just be me though. )
The bar is now grey because it matches Samsung TW colors.
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Hey, if Samsung want to eliminate screen burn, Samsung can try implant transparent status bar which is more brilliant compare shtt grey bar.
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The bar is now grey because it matches Samsung TW colors.
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Troll, it will ever look ugly. I think Samsung did this because they avoid lawsuit from Apple.
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Don't make me get old school
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Don't make me get old school
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Go nuts. ^^
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The bar is now grey because it matches Samsung TW colors.
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Really? What other elements are grey in TW Theme?
TW has more colors than a Circus Clown on LSD.
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Really? What other elements are grey in TW Theme?
TW has more colors than a Circus Clown on LSD.
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A lot of details on settings menus are changed to grey by samsung. If you put an aosp rom (like the gnexus) side by side with the sgs3 you will notice.
I have to say the green doesn't bother me that much - but as for screen burn - sure there is some, especially on the blue colours - but let's be honest - who's going to notice the screen burn, and who's going to notice that grey bar?
My point is, after using my S1 solidly for over 2years there was minimal screen burn at the top of the screen (when testing with colours and blue especially showed the burn-in)
But did I notice that for over two years?
No
Do I care, as the status bar is pretty much always there, and when its not its moving anyway, not a solid colour?
No, I don't care
What I do care about is people complaining about a grey status bar vs a black status bar.
As for the discussion of OLED vs IPS - IPS is great on monitors, and thus when translated on phone's is nice, but only when DONE RIGHT.
OLED is thinner at base, and produces some of the best colours you will ever see on a phone, or TV.
So to answer the question/OP:
No that's false, or being extremely anal about OLED.
Your average customer (including myself, as I'm no one special) - will be frustrated with their grey status bar that doesn't fit with their black-ish phone and TW launcher.
I use zeam launcher regardless, thus the change is less apparent, but still potatoes patatoes.
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A lot of details on settings menus are changed to grey by samsung. If you put an aosp rom (like the gnexus) side by side with the sgs3 you will notice.
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Well, I've seen plenty of AOSP ROMs. I have an SII running CM10 also. I'm also pretty familiar with TW and I don't see any grey elements throughout the theme overall. I see a lot of black and color elements, but grey... not so much.
That's why I'm asking if you can point to even ONE example other than the status bar changed in JB, because if they exist, I may just be missing them, but I really don't see them.
Can you give me any specific examples?
Why colors are not vivid in this screen they look a little wached out
What u guys think?
They don't appear as oversaturated as the ipad 3/4 or OLED screens but it looks so bright that it makes up for it. I know the actual nit ratings are not the highest but this thing looks BRIGHT on the auto setting.
With the brightness all the way up it seems washed out. Just turn the brightness down. It's overkill for the most part, and seriously cuts down the battery life. Compared to my galaxy nexus, the blacks aren't nearly as good, but I'd say the color is more natural. Cheers.
When more kernels are released i'm sure there will be color controls. I'm personally waiting for franco kernel. He just posted on his google+ inquirying about releasing a test version of his kernel. should not be too long until we have the ability to change gamma and color density patience!
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With the brightness all the way up it seems washed out. Just turn the brightness down. It's overkill for the most part, and seriously cuts down the battery life. Compared to my galaxy nexus, the blacks aren't nearly as good, but I'd say the color is more natural. Cheers.
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Thats cause this uses an actual LCD screen, unlike the Galaxy nexus. Honestly the blacks are one of the only decent things about the GNex screen. Custom kernels had to fix some major color issues with most people's devices. And as the person above me said, we will soon have kernels for this device too that allow color, contrast, and gamma options so anyone who is unsatisfied with colors at default can tweak their settings around.
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Thats cause this uses an actual LCD screen, unlike the Galaxy nexus. Honestly the blacks are one of the only decent things about the GNex screen. Custom kernels had to fix some major color issues with most people's devices. And as the person above me said, we will soon have kernels for this device too that allow color, contrast, and gamma options so anyone who is unsatisfied with colors at default can tweak their settings around.
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I second this. Stock colors on the gnex make it look like a cigar stain. Think I stole that line from somewhere. Anyway they are bad. I've tweaked the colors on my gnex and now the diff between the two devices is less. I personally like oled, but the n10 screen IMHO is far more color accurate which may at times make it seem washed out.
Its kind of like too much bass. An untrained ear might say too much bass sounds better then a flat curve.
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The colours are fine.. Its the colours on your oled screens that are overly saturated
I have to agree with the OP. Blacks are really bad. Also is everyone else screen on the warmer side (slightly yellow)?
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The screen produces a very poor rendition of the NTSC colour gamut. I have professionally calibrated equipment at home to compare. Gray scale is good. Gamma is OK. Color accuracy is poor. Very antique looking. This is similar to how Panasonic used to calibrate their displays. The contrast is average. Overall the screen is simply mediocre with minimal glaring issues. This screen isn't for showing off; its for getting work done. Bright, sharp, and bland looking. Hopefully a dev unlocks some mdnie hacks that offer control over the displays calibration. A couple tweaks could definitely improve the perceived contrast and improve color accuracy. I've had a number of nexus devices over the years. They're very no frills. So I don't think we'll see many tools for improving the screen. Maybe some wonky color gamma tweaks.
Supercurio I'm calling you out for some assistance.
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BTW I have a galaxy nexus with an amoled display. With some adjustments its a superb screen. The gamma is too high and colours are over saturated, however the colour rendition is far more accurate than the nexus 10. The blues and reds on the nexus 10 are way off the mark. Blues are more cyan, they are washed out, not deep enough. The reds are very under saturated. The greens are muddy, slightly brown. Yellows are over saturated and magenta is slightly under saturated. The display just doesn't compare to the new iPad in the slightest. Oddly enough, sharpness is the least important display characteristic for a quality display. Humans are much more sensitive to contrast and colour. The nexus 10 display has its priorities mixed up. On the other hand, I still love this thing and wouldn't trade it for any other tablet on the market. Its graphics performance is beastly and just outclasses most other tablets in regards to build quality.
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There's an app called Screen Adjuster to adjust rgb and contrast. Root required. I wonder if that may help. I'm not rooted so I can't really try it. And I may end up returning it so didn't wanna muck with it for now.
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Tomatoes8 said:
They don't appear as oversaturated as the ipad 3/4 or OLED screens but it looks so bright that it makes up for it. I know the actual nit ratings are not the highest but this thing looks BRIGHT on the auto setting.
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Calling the ipad 4 oversaturated is just ignorant.
Not sure if its placebo but I updated to 4.2.1 and my build # is JOP40D and the screen isnt as dull anymore. Blacks are darker although still not as dark as my tf700. Anyone else notice this after the update?
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To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
Sounds like a hardware problem. I don't see how Touchwiz (or any ROM) could be responsible for that. Better have it exchanged.
Sounds like you're using reading mode
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Color accuracy is pretty decent on the Note 10.1’s display. As always I’m reporting color data using Samsung’s Movie mode, which remains the most accurate setting of those offered. Grayscale performance is excellent, but our GMB and saturations tests put the Note 10.1 on par with the original Nexus 7. It’s definitely a better calibrated display than any other Samsung Galaxy Note tablet we’ve reviewed. Not quite on par with the new Nexus 7, but getting very close.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
My (AMOLED) N3 displaying the same yellow background as my N10.1-14...
My "whites"...
The screen on this amazing and nothing short of that.
You must have a bad tablet...
My screen is great.
I have minor light bleed on bottom edge but thats not bothersome and barely noticeable.
Never had any problems with color rendition. Not to the extent you said it sounds like. Its been pretty natural looking for me.
EDIT: Removed link, its posted two above this...
I dont know what these numbers mean but here is a comparison against a crapple ipad: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10.1-2014-vs-Apple-iPad-4_id3445
Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
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To the Community:
I just yesterday picked this puppy up at BB and, quite honestly, am very disappointed in the display, specifically the hue. All the yellows are washed out -- WTF???!!
Resolution is awesome but the white background when browsing looks like I'm looking at it under old-style fluorescent lighting -- YUCK!
I've played with all the Settings > Display > Screen mode modes and there's barely a change when going from one to another.
Is this correctible? Is it a TouchWiz thing? Will a different ROM help?
(FWIW -- I'm upgrading from a Xoom running Eos ROMs and other than the resolution, it was gorgeous. The Xoom was a great device: heavy, granted, but the bezel width really did set the standard that tablet manufacturers seem to be migrating towards.)
PLEASE TELL ME THERE'S A SOLUTION!!! THE COLOR RENDITION IS SO UNPALATABLE I VERY WELL MIGHT RETURN IT AFTER LUSTING AFTER IT FOR MONTHS!
Thanks.
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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Was it exactly the same when you first turned it on or did it get the yellow cast after some use?
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No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
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Thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
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I leave both my N3 and N10.1-14 on Adapt Display. On the N3 it's the only way to achieve maximum brightness in bright conditions; like an additional 150 nits. I'm not sure if the N10.1-14's Adapt Display works the same way. I have to confess, while Movie Mode may be more accurate I've come to like overly saturated colors on my mobile devices.
whatllitbenext said:
No, there's no yellow cast: rather, the yellow's are washed out and not at all vibrant. White backgrounds have a blue-ish gray-ish tone and the only analogy I can muster is that it's like the color temperature is "cool," as opposed to "warm." Canary yellows come out looking dull gold; skin tones are very off-putting and for a top-dollar device, it's really not pleasant.
Side-by-side with my GN2, the colors are much truer on my GN2, hands down.
@BarryH_GEG -- thanks for the useful post; I am using movie mode.
@bootx1 -- thank you, too, but I'm not using reading mode.
Here are some screenshots from today's XDA main page.
1st photo is from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ed., second is Galaxy Note 2; third is a side-by-side with the Galaxy Note 2 on the left (the dude's skin is a little reddish on the left but it's not bad -- the skin tone on the right is actually much worse).
WTF????
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To me......... In your (photo 3) side by side photo's I think the device on the left is to red and has to much color saturation the tablet looks good to me in that photo....
There is at lease 2 places in the control panel of the P-600 to adjust color, have you seen them?
If you not happy with the way it looks and you can exchange it you should. If you don't you will always have this thought in the back of your mind.
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as another user said, it sounds like reading mode is turned on make sure it's off. It probably unlikely that this is the problem though since the the only app that defaults with reading mode on is play books.
Thank you for your responses.
I'm not quite sure how to say this without sounding impolite but several of you seem not to have read my posts completely, so please allow me to start over.
My yellows are very washed out: what ought to be bright canary yellows are dull gold. For example: the yellow in the Chrome logo is what I define as "yellow." On the GM10.1, 2014 Ed. it appears gold and dull.
Skin tones are wan and blue-ish.
White web page areas are gray-blue-ish.
Overall color temperature is "cool."
Reading mode does warm things up a bit...but still, I can't get any combination of settings where yellows "pop".
Settings > Device > Display > Screen mode is set to "movie" and that barely affects the vibrancy of the yellows; in fact there is no real difference between all four of the options.
IN SUM: COLOR RENDITION SUCKS.
Take it back to Best Buy?
(I s'pose I just answered my question...)
Thanks in advance.
The subpixel arrangement creates a dot effect more seen in print when looking through a magnifying glass. While not overly distracting, I do notice it at times. My biggest complaint is the blueish hue shift in darker tones when putting the display at an angle. Is this a TN panel ? I've always had OLED and my Oppo Find 5 was the first smartphone I've owned that didn't have a OLED screen. Still, the find 5 screen was MUCH better than the note 10.1 2014. Especially the black levels are kinda disappointing. I think the screen is WAY overrated in reviews. I primarily use the note in darker indoor areas so I have no use for the extra brightness delivered by the white subpixel.
I still think it's a great device tough, and for the price there is nothing like it. I would like to see some CM and Omni builds for it though which retain the wacom S pen "drivers". I don't care for the samsung features, I just want to use Autodesk Sketchbook.
Overall, I'm really happy with my display. My one complaint is that viewing angles seem to be a little off.
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Don't get me wrong, I like the screen a lot. But it is not perfect. I think the pentile design shows when certain colors are next to each other (producing less than perfect transition from one color to another).
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What I know is that this device comes with LCD display. Not amoled. So there.is not pentile design. Because it is not amoled. The color would not look as vivid as amoled, yellow will look like a bit washout because of the backlight compared to amoled
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Check this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
As you can see, Note 10.1 2014 edition is pentile. You can also see this when looking at the screen. Transitions between some colors are a bit blurry.
When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
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When talking about display performance there's the objective and subjective. GSMArena, AnandTech, and NoteBookCheck DE all run an extensive battery of standardized tests on all the devices they review. All praise the N10.1-14's display; especially compared to previous Samsung LCD displays.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_101_2014-review-1003p2.php
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-10-1-2014-Edition-Tablet.105624.0.html
Sorry folks, you can't argue with the objective.
As for the subjective, assuming those not digging the display don't have a h/w issue, to each their own. The N5's display objectively produces very accurate colors. Those I've seen look washed out and dull. OP's not happy with the coolness of his display. I personally detest warm displays. You can't argue the subjective because it's both personal and opinion.
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Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
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Thanks for that useful post -- the gsmarena and anandtech links are especially informative.
And my fears were confirmed: the display is just kind of average...objectively excellent, but comparatively average.
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Think average is a silly comment. I prefer the display to the ipad air. Sometimes wish the whites were slightly better. But I would like to see anyone who has a better screen on an Android 10 inch tablet
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I have a favor to ask... can someone with a 6P verify that the sRGB mode exists in the developer settings?
I have a 6P on order but I am concerned that is has a Samsung screen. I find Samsung screen colors to be disturbingly inaccurate. At least up until the 6 which has color option modes to bring it more inline with industry standard colors.
Nobody has one yet. Trust me, you will know when someone does, there will be 1000 threads about it.
Also, I've never heard of sRGB mode in Android. I've been developing ROMS for 6 years. Can you be more specific?
Some ROMS allow you to tweak the color output slightly, but not all. That's generally not a hardware screen-dependent thing. I have a Note 4, S3, and GNex, and all screens appear to produce quite vivid colors. Green is green, red is red, and so on. Actually looks very accurate.
How are you coming to the conclusion that, for example, it can't display blue as blue? What are you calling "industry standards"? You have something to gauge that with?
This is from the AMA
Yep, confirmed: Nexus 6P has the latest generation panels from Samsung. One of things we deeply care for is the quality and accuracy of the display through which all of us connect with the stuff we care about. We created a very tight spec (white-point temperature, delta-E variance, color-space accuracy, etc) for the 6P WQHD AMOLED panel, so it was important that we use the most cutting edge panel technology available.
Crazy Homeless Guy said:
I have a favor to ask... can someone with a 6P verify that the sRGB mode exists in the developer settings?
I have a 6P on order but I am concerned that is has a Samsung screen. I find Samsung screen colors to be disturbingly inaccurate. At least up until the 6 which has color option modes to bring it more inline with industry standard colors.
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There you go: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-review-preview-so-far-its-everything-id-hoped/
scroll down to the bottom of the article if you don't want to read it all-it's there
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There you go: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-review-preview-so-far-its-everything-id-hoped/
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Thanks. That confirms it.
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Nobody has one yet. Trust me, you will know when someone does, there will be 1000 threads about it.
Also, I've never heard of sRGB mode in Android. I've been developing ROMS for 6 years. Can you be more specific?
Some ROMS allow you to tweak the color output slightly, but not all. That's generally not a hardware screen-dependent thing. I have a Note 4, S3, and GNex, and all screens appear to produce quite vivid colors. Green is green, red is red, and so on. Actually looks very accurate.
How are you coming to the conclusion that, for example, it can't display blue as blue? What are you calling "industry standards"? You have something to gauge that with?
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The sRGB mode is new to the Nexus 6p, and hopefully new to Marshmallow in general.
I find AMOLED screens, especially Samsung AMOLED screens to be highly inaccurate in reproducing color. The majority of the internet is designed to be viewed in sRGB color space. Samsung uses a wider gamut color space which causes images to be supersaturated and not true to how they were meant to be viewed. Most of the AMOLED screens I have seen also reproduce white poorly as well. Industry standard white point for digital screens is 7500k. This produces a nice slightly warm white tone. The stark whites that many people gravitate towards are usually slightly blue and not actually white.
Everyone has there opinion of what they like but I prefer industry standard to assure I am viewing things as they are intended to be viewed.
In my opinion srgb mode is TOO desaturated. The saturation is too high with it off and too low with it on. Shame, I was hoping for a middle ground.
The sRGB option is horrific to look at, God this device has terrible options for screen calibration.
Native its massively over saturated with very popy cilors ( ala Samsung )
sRGB looks like some one lent on the gamma and brightness sliders.
It's one extreem to the other no middle ground - his bless custom kernels with color control down the line
sRGB is better on the eyes at night in lower brightness
hutzdani said:
The sRGB option is horrific to look at, God this device has terrible options for screen calibration.
Native its massively over saturated with very popy cilors ( ala Samsung )
sRGB looks like some one lent on the gamma and brightness sliders.
It's one extreem to the other no middle ground - his bless custom kernels with color control down the line
sRGB is better on the eyes at night in lower brightness
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Not a fan of the sRGB either, don't mind the defaults at all though
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Crazy Homeless Guy said:
The sRGB mode is new to the Nexus 6p, and hopefully new to Marshmallow in general.
I find AMOLED screens, especially Samsung AMOLED screens to be highly inaccurate in reproducing color. The majority of the internet is designed to be viewed in sRGB color space. Samsung uses a wider gamut color space which causes images to be supersaturated and not true to how they were meant to be viewed. Most of the AMOLED screens I have seen also reproduce white poorly as well. Industry standard white point for digital screens is 7500k. This produces a nice slightly warm white tone. The stark whites that many people gravitate towards are usually slightly blue and not actually white.
Everyone has there opinion of what they like but I prefer industry standard to assure I am viewing things as they are intended to be viewed.
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Nope, both sRGB (99% of computer content) and Rec. 709 (99% of HDTV content) use a 6504K white point. They also share the same color gamut.
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Crazy Homeless Guy said:
I have a favor to ask... can someone with a 6P verify that the sRGB mode exists in the developer settings?
I have a 6P on order but I am concerned that is has a Samsung screen. I find Samsung screen colors to be disturbingly inaccurate. At least up until the 6 which has color option modes to bring it more inline with industry standard colors.
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Pray that kernel developers bring color control asap because this displey is very poorly calibrated at best. And that srgb mode simply makes you want to throw up when you see it in action.
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Nobody has one yet. Trust me, you will know when someone does, there will be 1000 threads about it.
Also, I've never heard of sRGB mode in Android. I've been developing ROMS for 6 years. Can you be more specific?
Some ROMS allow you to tweak the color output slightly, but not all. That's generally not a hardware screen-dependent thing. I have a Note 4, S3, and GNex, and all screens appear to produce quite vivid colors. Green is green, red is red, and so on. Actually looks very accurate.
How are you coming to the conclusion that, for example, it can't display blue as blue? What are you calling "industry standards"? You have something to gauge that with?
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Nvidia Shield Tablet has sRGB default, sRGB Automatic and Native profiles, so that is at least one other device with it and now the Nexus 6P has it, not sure about any other devices though.
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In my opinion srgb mode is TOO desaturated. The saturation is too high with it off and too low with it on. Shame, I was hoping for a middle ground.
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I would agree with this. It's a shame we don't have more granular control.
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Nope, both sRGB (99% of computer content) and Rec. 709 (99% of HDTV content) use a 6504K white point. They also share the same color gamut.
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Mistype on my part.. I meant 6500k. I could probably tolerate 7500k though as long as it is within sRGB space.
I know this thread is a little old, but I just ordered my 6P so I've been doing research. sRGB mode is one thing I was interested in since I've always found amoled screens to be oversaturated, but I've also always been able to tweak them on my phones (Samsung Notes) through the stock rom. The Note 4 has a very accurate color setting called "Basic" and my Note 3 had it as well but it was called something else ("Movie" I think). The Note 4 got great marks on accurate screen colors with that "Basic" mode though. I figured since the 6P uses lower binned Note 5 screens that it would hopefully have something similar, and was hoping the sRGB setting would be just that. It seems though that the sRGB mode is too undersaturated.
Would it be possible to integrate that screen setting from the Note 5 or 4 somehow in a custom rom or maybe an app? I've not looked into how accurate the settings are in the Note 5 since I had no interest in upgrading to that phone over my 4, but I'll look into it. Someone else feel free to chime in.
Hey guys,
I am thinking of buying one of this mobiles. They both seems very good, got 3GB of RAM, big display (i want some bigger phone), but.... I am wondering which one have better display and which one got better battery. This is probably the most important for me.
If someone have more experience and use some of this i would appreciate your thinking.
Thanks in advance.
Note 4
Luckily for you, I've owned both phones since the month each got released.
Note 4:
Pros- bigger battery ( I've noticed slightly longer battery life)
- outstanding screen
- Pen
- Removable battery
- dont need to turn off phone to remove micro sd
- Ir blaster
- plethora of cases/accessories
Cons:
- Phone sometimes feels cumbersome to use
- Touchwiz sucks
Xperia z5
Pros:
- Sexy as hell
- Waterproof
- Normal screen size
- Camera button
Cons:
- Back gets warm pretty quick
- Doesn't have any of the pros listed for note 4
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Get the note. Every time I use my note 4 for something I notice how much crisper the screen is, and I hate not having that on the Xperia. Samsung did a really good job packing a ton of features in the note 4 and the screen will keep it future-proof longer than the Xperia. I actually prefer the note 4 to note 5. ( buy the unlocked version and install note 5 rom on it, you'll get the note 4's removable back + new software)
I also owned both and I should say Z5 screen is way superior to note 4.at least mine.I still have note 4 and can answer questions if you have any.
PS:note is easier to root and flash CM if you care.I had to return my Z5 because of lack of root for locked BL.I'm back to my Z2 and N4 is collecting dust.lol.
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Man,
Thanks a lot for this brief.
I always think that Sony have better display, probably because I am a big fan of Sony. But now when I see that Note wins bots display and battery I will for sure go for Note 4.
Just one more thing, because i am not that kind good with android and software. When you installed new custom rom to Note 4 you had no bugs or something like that? I found on forums that it can be very bad doing this so i need your opinion?
Thanks in advance!
Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
I would still choose Z5 but for different reasons: 1 performance, note 4 has a weaker cpu and gpu, z5 camera is more sophisticated than note 4 camera except z5 camera has no OIS and lacks several manual functions, but me and many others can live with that, Z5 has real radio, Z5 has water proof support and z5 has dedicated camera button.
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@ TheWarKeeper
Can you please tell me your experience with battery. I need it for my job and i am using a lot of calls, email-s, social networks.... Can it last at least one day.
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Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
I would still choose Z5 but for different reasons: 1 performance, note 4 has a weaker cpu and gpu, z5 camera is more sophisticated than note 4 camera except z5 camera has no OIS and lacks several manual functions, but me and many others can live with that, Z5 has real radio, Z5 has water proof support and z5 has dedicated camera button.
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It's not black and white. LCDs can and tend to be able to display proper white (sometimes you need to tweak it via white balance settings but YOU can have it unlike OLEDs) while OLEDs tend to have difficulty with it and never truly achieves proper whites and you have to calibrate with time due to OLEDs organic nature. But in contrary OLEDs displays deep blacks due to switching of the organic pixel (LCDs cant switch of becouse the R G B channels are just filters on top of the backlight). White is more important though as that is what is used most in apps, themes and so on. And due to the OLED being organic the blue, red and green pixel component each have a life length and blue has less than the other 2 which means having bright/white things displayed on your OLED would shorten the blue components life length faster resulting in uneven colors on the screen, "burn-ins" and it just gets worse with time.
LCDs dont have this problem becouse the only thing you lose with time is the brightness due to the backlight getting worn and so you can compensate by increasing brightness intensity. And Sony TFT and IPS LCD for their Z1+ lineup comes with Triluminos which adds an extra component to help the pixels and extends the color range to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC color profile which is far more than a regular LCD can do giving rich and accurate colors that without problems rivals OLEDs while still being proper and true to life without typical OLED oversaturation. Triluminos also helps with the black but cant rival OLEDs 'pixel switching off' blacks.
Now latest OLEDs from Samsung does better than older but they still tend to oversaturate since they also can display beyond standard sRGB color scheme that is the standard but cant really accomodate to it like an LCD with Triluminos can due to its organic nature and how it works.
You want precision that holds for years and proper white you go with Z5 but if you want deep blacks, "popping" colors and less precision you go with OLED. OLEDs also have better response time but that would mostly only be of importance if you play games at fast framerates.
In my opinion, you should also consider the UI of Samsung and Sony because TouchWiz (Samsung UI) is notorious for lagging as months passed by and when multitasking, while Sony UI is always smooth and rarely lags. :good:
I had a Note 4 before getting a Z5P. Stock Samsung is garbage. You have to look into AOSP/CM for the Note 4 and it may not be 100% stable. The Note 4's camera is definitely though. Z5 camera is only good on paper but in real world situation Note 4 wins easily. Z5 has way too many pixels can't produce a good image unless the source is extremely well lit.
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It's not black and white. LCDs can and tend to be able to display proper white (sometimes you need to tweak it via white balance settings but YOU can have it unlike OLEDs) while OLEDs tend to have difficulty with it and never truly achieves proper whites and you have to calibrate with time due to OLEDs organic nature. But in contrary OLEDs displays deep blacks due to switching of the organic pixel (LCDs cant switch of becouse the R G B channels are just filters on top of the backlight). White is more important though as that is what is used most in apps, themes and so on. And due to the OLED being organic the blue, red and green pixel component each have a life length and blue has less than the other 2 which means having bright/white things displayed on your OLED would shorten the blue components life length faster resulting in uneven colors on the screen, "burn-ins" and it just gets worse with time.
LCDs dont have this problem becouse the only thing you lose with time is the brightness due to the backlight getting worn and so you can compensate by increasing brightness intensity. And Sony TFT and IPS LCD for their Z1+ lineup comes with Triluminos which adds an extra component to help the pixels and extends the color range to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC color profile which is far more than a regular LCD can do giving rich and accurate colors that without problems rivals OLEDs while still being proper and true to life without typical OLED oversaturation. Triluminos also helps with the black but cant rival OLEDs 'pixel switching off' blacks.
Now latest OLEDs from Samsung does better than older but they still tend to oversaturate since they also can display beyond standard sRGB color scheme that is the standard but cant really accomodate to it like an LCD with Triluminos can due to its organic nature and how it works.
You want precision that holds for years and proper white you go with Z5 but if you want deep blacks, "popping" colors and less precision you go with OLED. OLEDs also have better response time but that would mostly only be of importance if you play games at fast framerates.
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The problems with white balance for oled displays are long gone, those issues were only present in the first few oled screens ever produced because back then the organic material for red and green were degrading at a different level than the blue.
My Galaxy S6 has the purest white any LCD dreams of and also a much bigger color gamut, also it has a fraction of the pixel response time of any gaming tft lcd out there producing less ghosting and blurring when in motion, on top of the pure blacks as you acknowledged also.
As for the over saturation, the oversaturation comes by default to boast the contrast capabilities of the oled screens, normally found in test units, my galaxy s6 for example came out of the box with such a toned down saturation that nobody would even dare to call it an OLED, but anytime i want to enable eye popping colours i just change the color scheme from the display settings itself.
Theres no reason to vote for a LCD anymore, except if you are concered about buying a monitor/tv thats always ON and not bothered with image quality, then LCD is best as it doesnt suffer from burn in issues, or color degradation, but frankly thats just about it.
EDIT: i also forgot to mention that the best LCD screen ive ever come across in any phone was the Xperia Z1 Compact screen, perfect color reproduction at everything, which put Xperia Z2, Xperia Z3 (both normal and compact) and Xperia Z5(Again, both normal and compact) screens to shame.
So for me the Xperia Z5 screens are dissapointing and white balance by default is over the top, too much RED, to calibrate it properly youll loose other screen abilities.
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So many different opinions.
@ TheWarKeeper
Can you please tell me your experience with battery. I need it for my job and i am using a lot of calls, email-s, social networks.... Can it last at least one day.
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The phone should last a day as long as you dont push it and dont enable brightness to maximum all the time.
If it doesnt well, you can always get a pocket charger as the competition of z5 will last only a slightly more time which is negligible.
I would choose the Xperia Z5 over the note 4 anyday though, its a great phone and it wont dissapoint any average user.
Xperia Z5 only dissapoints enthusiasts like myself but not because of its quality, quality is great, but because of DRM and locked features which makes no sense beying locked.
What are you guys talking about? Note 4 has one of the best screens on the market. Near perfect white balance (6562K) and 99% Adobe RGB. Just use Photo Mode. Adaptive Display mode is over saturated but optional.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
Also color burn is an old issue from Galaxy Nexus devices and earlier. Samsung displays have burn-in protection.
Moving from Note 4 to Z5P was definitely a downgrade in color accuracy and white balance, but upgrade in pixels. I honestly thought I would care more, but I actually don't. I rather have no screen door effect in VR and higher resolution. Now if Samsung released a 4K AMOLED screen...
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The problems with white balance for oled displays are long gone, those issues were only present in the first few oled screens ever produced because back then the organic material for red and green were degrading at a different level than the blue.
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They still suffer from uneven colors and shades over the display.
My Galaxy S6 has the purest white any LCD dreams of and also a much bigger color gamut, also it has a fraction of the pixel response time of any gaming tft lcd out there producing less ghosting and blurring when in motion, on top of the pure blacks as you acknowledged also.
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The whites are though life dependant and Triluminos widens the color gamut to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC profile.
As for the over saturation, the oversaturation comes by default to boast the contrast capabilities of the oled screens, normally found in test units, my galaxy s6 for example came out of the box with such a toned down saturation that nobody would even dare to call it an OLED, but anytime i want to enable eye popping colours i just change the color scheme from the display settings itself.
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Interesting. So kind of cheating for tests/demoing regarding readability as you cant have both maximum readability and accurate colors.
Theres no reason to vote for a LCD anymore, except if you are concered about buying a monitor/tv thats always ON and not bothered with image quality, then LCD is best as it doesnt suffer from burn in issues, or color degradation, but frankly thats just about it.
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The highlighted part goes against your first comment. All 3 color channels degrade independantly of each other based on what is displayed and how colors are used. Blue is still used the most.
EDIT: i also forgot to mention that the best LCD screen ive ever come across in any phone was the Xperia Z1 Compact screen, perfect color reproduction at everything, which put Xperia Z2, Xperia Z3 (both normal and compact) and Xperia Z5(Again, both normal and compact) screens to shame.
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I have not tunned the Z5c LCD but it does actually for my unit use to much blue. Though my Z1 has near perfect white balance with minimal tweaks aswell as boosting impressive contrast, top notch color reproduction and good viewing angles. For being a TFT LCD with Triluminos it is quite close to IPS LCD regarding viewing angles except when brightness on displayed material goes above a certain threshold but immensly better than a regular TFT LCD. I have a JDI panel btw.
So for me the Xperia Z5 screens are dissapointing and white balance by default is over the top, too much RED, to calibrate it properly youll loose other screen abilities.
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Strangely enough it either goes for to much red or blue. Maybe panels come with different "qualities" and/or different assembly fabrics and quality. As long as you dont have to 'mute' a color channel to much to get good whites it should be OK else you lose brightness and contrast.
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CLShortFuse said:
I had a Note 4 before getting a Z5P. Stock Samsung is garbage. You have to look into AOSP/CM for the Note 4 and it may not be 100% stable. The Note 4's camera is definitely though. Z5 camera is only good on paper but in real world situation Note 4 wins easily. Z5 has way too many pixels can't produce a good image unless the source is extremely well lit.
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Aint as clear cut as you think regarding the camera.
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...v10-galaxy-note-5-nexus-6p-camera-comparison/
EQ2000 said:
Aint as clear cut as you think regarding the camera.
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...v10-galaxy-note-5-nexus-6p-camera-comparison/
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The camera is really bad in real world situations. Despite what you read in reviews that only test extremely bright or extremely dark environments, taking photos at home or indoors is pointless. People's faces will look like they were smeared with peanut butter. http://imgur.com/0OhbSaq
It performs worse http://imgur.com/Pfd76nR than my Note 4 http://i.imgur.com/wOvr0kl.png in indoor lighting, which means the camera was a straight-up downgrade for me. I don't bother trying to take pictures unless they're daylight or I can use flash which, to make matters worse, is still extremely weak. This all seems like extremely crappy postprocessing smudging pixels together and there's no way to turn it off since there's no RAW support.
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The camera is really bad in real world situations. Despite what you read in reviews that only test extremely bright or extremely dark environments, taking photos at home or indoors is pointless. People's faces will look like they were smeared with peanut butter. http://imgur.com/0OhbSaq
It performs worse http://imgur.com/Pfd76nR than my Note 4 http://i.imgur.com/wOvr0kl.png in indoor lighting, which means the camera was a straight-up downgrade for me. I don't bother trying to take pictures unless they're daylight or I can use flash which, to make matters worse, is still extremely weak. This all seems like extremely crappy postprocessing smudging pixels together and there's no way to turn it off since there's no RAW support.
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I own the Z5c and cant relate to what you are sayinh although it sure needs some white balance and algorithm tweaking. In your photo comparision it looks like the Z5 photo was taken with zoom and possibly older firmware vs just a crop from the Note 4. Without ISO and shutter speed info it's also quite pointless "comparision". Exif would show it zoom was used and much more. I can say though that not even with ISO 6400 in low light does my Z5c produce such bad image quality. Only with zoom.
And the test I linked to is properly done with information and different scenes with different lighting conditions unlinke the "tests" by random people on the interwebs posting photos without exif data nor information and croppings where you have no orignal fullsize photo as reference either. Who has more credibility, that test or your "test"? Anyway it's pretty much settled in stone that the Z5 is better.
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I own the Z5c and cant relate to what you are sayinh although it sure needs some white balance and algorithm tweaking. In your photo comparision it looks like the Z5 photo was taken with zoom and possibly older firmware vs just a crop from the Note 4. Without ISO and shutter speed info it's also quite pointless "comparision". Exif would show it zoom was used and much more. I can say though that not even with ISO 6400 in low light does my Z5c produce such bad image quality. Only with zoom.
And the test I linked to is properly done with information and different scenes with different lighting conditions unlinke the "tests" by random people on the interwebs posting photos without exif data nor information and croppings where you have no orignal fullsize photo as reference either. Who has more credibility, that test or your "test"? Anyway it's pretty much settled in stone that the Z5 is better.
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And you missed the point...
The point is, these are real world samples. The first shot was me at a wedding. Yeah, it's zoomed, but not the point. The point is the heavy smearing of pixels the post processor does, ruining the quality, just because to Sony all noise is bad.
The second was my Note 4 and Z5P both taking a picture at the exact same distance of something I have at home in dim lighting. The Z5 is straight up worst and if you can't see that, that's some serious " fanboyism" there. And yeah, my Z5P running 6.200, so no, it's not an "older firmware." You don't need EXIF data to see the point I'm making. In dim lighting, the Z5 severely underperforms. But you rather believe my sharing of these photos is part of some conspiracy to maliciously fake a comparison so the Note 4 is better go right ahead.
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Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
Well then.check it from the mouth of note 4 users.The quality control is aweful as it was with N3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
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TheWarKeeper said:
Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
Well then.check it from the mouth of note 4 users.The quality control is aweful as it was with N3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
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Thanks for the link! This pretty much validates my points about OLED flaws.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-replacement-s6-due-to-screen-t3074865/page95
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They still suffer from uneven colors and shades over the display.
The whites are though life dependant and Triluminos widens the color gamut to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC profile.
Interesting. So kind of cheating for tests/demoing regarding readability as you cant have both maximum readability and accurate colors.
The highlighted part goes against your first comment. All 3 color channels degrade independantly of each other based on what is displayed and how colors are used. Blue is still used the most.
I have not tunned the Z5c LCD but it does actually for my unit use to much blue. Though my Z1 has near perfect white balance with minimal tweaks aswell as boosting impressive contrast, top notch color reproduction and good viewing angles. For being a TFT LCD with Triluminos it is quite close to IPS LCD regarding viewing angles except when brightness on displayed material goes above a certain threshold but immensly better than a regular TFT LCD. I have a JDI panel btw.
Strangely enough it either goes for to much red or blue. Maybe panels come with different "qualities" and/or different assembly fabrics and quality. As long as you dont have to 'mute' a color channel to much to get good whites it should be OK else you lose brightness and contrast.
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Aint as clear cut as you think regarding the camera.
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...v10-galaxy-note-5-nexus-6p-camera-comparison/
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Ok well it makes me think that you didnt own a proper OLED phone, maybe you did own a bad one in the past and the screen was crap (defective).
First of all, OLED screens do not result in color saturation shift when degrading because the software inside their panel drivers automatically correct the color shifting, (my galaxy s2 still has top notch colors).
As for the cheating, i have no idea what you mean by that, you can saturate the colors or desaturate them at your will, i dont know what cheating is involved because there isnt any cheating at all xD
I have tuned my Xperia Z5 screen and i had to keep red to minimum and blue and green almost to max to get a proper white balance, doing so, resulted in severly desaturated colors and bad luminosity (as the panel software disallows maximum brightness values when colors are calibrated).
I never liked the Xperia Z1 screen, a small tilt resulted in horrid washed out colors, Xperia Z1 Compact is a completely different beast with the best IPS panel ive ever seen in any phone 1800:1 contrast ratio (native)!
As for that complaint in the note 4 forums, its obvious that the user of that phone suffers from the typical defective screens that samsung fails to stop at production, uneven color or tints of any kind on the screen is not a characteristic of an oled screen, its a characteristic of a defective unit, i have to change 2 galaxy s6 untill i got 1 with perfect colours, i had to change 1 galaxy s2 to get the good screen and the galaxy s4 i got it with perfect color reproduction from start.
Finally, LCD screens were always the worst type of screens in term of image quality and color fidelity, even at professional image editing level which means wasting thousands of dollars on a proper IPS LCD screen, professionals were never really satisfied with its color reproduction and instead choose to use old school CRT monitors (myself included).
The only reasons why LCDs are successfull is because of good marketing, they suck at color accuracy, they suck at pixel response time and they suck at image definition. (My OLD Sony CRT ran 75hertz at 2048x1536)
It was a joy to use in any type of situation, movies, playing games and image editing software.
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Ok well it makes me think that you didnt own a proper OLED phone, maybe you did own a bad one in the past and the screen was crap (defective).
First of all, OLED screens do not result in color saturation shift when degrading because the software inside their panel drivers automatically correct the color shifting, (my galaxy s2 still has top notch colors).
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You still lose luminosty and or/color representation quality when correcting the other channels to lowest common denominator uniformly. S2, S3 and played with S4 and S5. The former ones wher just horrible. You could almost spot the pentile matrix design and colors overly saturated. "Eye bleeders"! :laugh:
As for the cheating, i have no idea what you mean by that, you can saturate the colors or desaturate them at your will, i dont know what cheating is involved because there isnt any cheating at all xD
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Contrast ratio tests which is what is mostly looked at compared to proper color output.
I have tuned my Xperia Z5 screen and i had to keep red to minimum and blue and green almost to max to get a proper white balance, doing so, resulted in severly desaturated colors and bad luminosity (as the panel software disallows maximum brightness values when colors are calibrated).
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You mean you had to set green and blue close to 255? That sounds like your screen is way off. I might look into mine later and see how much it needs to be tweaked via the white balance setting.
I never liked the Xperia Z1 screen, a small tilt resulted in horrid washed out colors, Xperia Z1 Compact is a completely different beast with the best IPS panel ive ever seen in any phone 1800:1 contrast ratio (native)!
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Well then that was the AUO panel. They made an ugly one by having different panels. I got the good one, JDI and I can tilt it and have very close results to that of an IPS LCD as long as the displayed graphics aint overly bright (lots of white) where it then performs worse but then I am talking about extreme viewing angles. Btw OLED also looses quality when tilting at sides and has 'color switching' and black suffers (if pixels aint switched off).
Finally, LCD screens were always the worst type of screens in term of image quality and color fidelity, even at professional image editing level which means wasting thousands of dollars on a proper IPS LCD screen, professionals were never really satisfied with its color reproduction and instead choose to use old school CRT monitors (myself included).
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Still better than having uneven colors and blotches. Nothing worse than having a display that looks like a CRT that has been abused with a magnet (not as bad though but still!).
The only reasons why LCDs are successfull is because of good marketing, they suck at color accuracy, they suck at pixel response time and they suck at image definition. (My OLD Sony CRT ran 75hertz at 2048x1536)
It was a joy to use in any type of situation, movies, playing games and image editing software.
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Well I did wait for the longest before switching to LCD from a CRT. Loved my Sony Trinitron monitor. Atleast it failed with pride.
As for that complaint in the note 4 forums, its obvious that the user of that phone suffers from the typical defective screens that samsung fails to stop at production, uneven color or tints of any kind on the screen is not a characteristic of an oled screen, its a characteristic of a defective unit, i have to change 2 galaxy s6 untill i got 1 with perfect colours, i had to change 1 galaxy s2 to get the good screen and the galaxy s4 i got it with perfect color reproduction from start.
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Right.. 3 on a row, 5 on a row, most/all retail store display units.. Then going by what you say Samsung has horrible QA for their OLED displays and you are in for a ride in the lottery. Tons of people in the 95 page thread going through multiple units all with the pink/green blotches with varying severity. Pretty few getting a rplacement display that has none. All showing some color hues and some reporting it going worse by time. You even got a video showing differences in white point color to at same display color settings!
I even checked at local mobile phone store and S6, Note 5 units had color blotches on a white background. Some better some worse but still there.
Just Google it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=s6+...en&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=91W2VuCDMseyO9WDq7gB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/pink-tint-near-screen-t3081656
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-replacement-s6-due-to-screen-t3074865/page95
https://www.buyfromwhere.com/galaxy-s6-the-ugly-truth-about-its-screen/
Lots of users getting this with hard evidence to prove it. #Pink#Gate
You guys looks like one work at Samsung and one at Sony ??