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Razrdock Mod [Stage: I. Planning][Updated :P]

READ FIRST:
PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS YET IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, IT IS INCOMPLETE AND STILL REQUIRES ME TO BUY THE EQUIPMENT AND TEST EVERYTHING, I MAY NOT BE CORRECT IN SOME THINGS AND YOU MAY RUIN YOUR LAPDOCK, THANKS!
Alright I give credits to seven2099 for bringing this up, so now we have two projects to make the lapdock run on it's own.
So instead of using the CottonCandy FXI, I will be using the MK802 Allwinner A10 (When it gets back into stock).
giuanz has helped out a lot by getting a hold of one of these MK units before me... And gave very good details on the problems...
Log:
6/3/12 -- Posts: 1 2 3
So far: We discussed Voltage and amps that will power the MK, so far there are problems, but this is at a glance as we don't have a unit yet. But it seems that the lapdock won't proide enough juice to power the MK...
6/12/12-6/14/12 -- Posts: 1 2 3
Alright so guianz has recieved his MK units and 2 problems have come up...
1. The resolution is not compatible. The HDMI output on the MK doesn't give the lapdock resolution 1366x768. A solution may be done by extracting the file from the razr leak for the webtop that decides resolution and putting it in the MK unit. It may or may not work, lets hope it does!
2. The output:
It would refuse to boot with any USB port I tried it with (red light comes up but no boot) - it would only power up with the power supply. Didn't try with lapdock as I'm still missing the adapter cable but I bet it's a current limit problem, like it probably really takes more than 1a to boot.
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That explains everything... Everything will be looked in, thanks...
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What you need:
-Lapdock, NO?!?!
-Xacto knife or similar
-Hot Glue
-Screwdrivers (Unsure of which ones, will update)
-Maybe more, will update
What you need to buy:
-HDMI Upgrade Kit (May need up to 3)
-MK802 Allwinner A10
-HDMI Male to Micro HDMI Female Adapter
-Maybe more, will update
TOC:
I. Planning
II. Connections
-- First we must test to make sure that everything cable-wise is working (HDMI can be seen from lapdock, keyboard mouse goes through USB) so that we can move on the the software
III. OS + Software
-- We have to make sure that the drivers are working for ICS and that everything is setup correctly.
IV. Placement + Hardmod
-- We must take apart the lapdock (The back panels only), and the A10 to get them to fit and work properly. We must also get the on/off working by screen opening and closing)
V. Guide (When completed)
II. Connections
geeky-gadgets.com said:
The MK802 is also equipped with 2 x USB ports, one full-sized and one micro, and runs Google’s latest Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) operating system. As well as being equipped with a HDMI port for connecting to your monitor of preference.
Connectivity on the MK802 is provided by WiFi 802.11b/g, with 4GB of Flash storage as standard, which can be increased to 32GB via the microSD card slot.
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So according to geeky-gadgets & the chinese retailers we have 2 USB ports, one full and one micro. Great isn't it? Not really, because the lapdock provides power through the micro-usb and the A10 has it's own power port... So we need to cut up the USB and solder the cables to two different connectors. The data cables will be soldered to the micro-usb connector from the HDMI upgrade kit, the power cables will be soldered to the power connector that comes with the A10.
But now we get to HDMI. This will take more time... We are gonna use the [HDMI Male to Micro HDMI Female Adapter] it will convert the hdmi from the lapdock straight to normal HDMI, this is a bit hefty so we will have to use a Xacto knife or similar to cut it up... Once we get it's guts then we can make room for it when we hardmod the lapdock.
III. OS + Software
To come, once I buy everything and get them connected.
What I think for now: Since ICS doesn't have any of Moto's drivers in it yet we can connect it to the lapdock and use the key+mouse proves that they must be generic drivers. (Have to test this theory)
IV. Hardmod + Placement
To come, once I finish the other two...
V. Guide
To Come, once I finish everything.

This looks like a good little project good luck would love to see an actual finished model.
Good Luck

The Atrix forums really are dead...

No No, i'll read your post and this remember me the mod of lapdock (HDMI) for use with other device (PS3). I plan myself to build an adapter for HDMI & USB for use it with other device (it your case the MK802 Allwinner A10).
Keep us updated for your mod
PS: A silent reader of XDA since modding my HTC Diamond

Great project! I might suggest using an atom system ?

Do they have one small enough that runs win 7, and in turn win 8...

Everything in next post...

Bump so people can see it. And a mini notice:
I will be listing many things on my ebay account to sell over time, many of which are from work... Others from home... Most of what you can buy will be used to fund for this project...
On a note if I can raise enough money, I should be able to make multiple of them to sell for cheap on xda... I'll see how it goes... So if any of you are interested in this project or what I've listed on ebay don't hesitate to buy it...
Ebay: myworld.ebay.com/ih3876

anyway the mk802 cortex a8 is missing some cpu power i thing

What do you mean? It's a 1ghz processor...

Hello Alaq,
I wish you come up with something and show us what useful stuff can be achieved with a lapdock. And that being said, i honestly didn'T like the thread title cause it reminds me us false motorola timing table. I hope this project doesn't become obsolete like motorola's update table.
Stage 1 : Wait 4 months
Stage 2 : Wait 2 months for rolling
Stage 3 : Weh bumped you, you wont get ICS. Hahah
Stage 4 : Buy a new motorola phone with ICS.

Semseddin said:
Hello Alaq,
I wish you come up with something and show us what useful stuff can be achieved with a lapdock. And that being said, i honestly didn'T like the thread title cause it reminds me us false motorola timing table. I hope this project doesn't become obsolete like motorola's update table.
Stage 1 : Wait 4 months
Stage 2 : Wait 2 months for rolling
Stage 3 : Weh bumped you, you wont get ICS. Hahah
Stage 4 : Buy a new motorola phone with ICS.
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Some of you just aren't getting the point here, are you???
This is about trying something new, seeing if it can be done, and what the results will be. Some people like to try innovative ideas "just because". I don't believe Alaq asked for your approval to move forward with his project, so I would suggest if you don't like the thread, (or it's title), that you move on yourself!
<edit> Seems funny you would have this attitude since you have a Motorola modding forum! Jealous???

@CaelanT,
Don't bark towards me, move along
@Alaq,
I didn't mean to approve your ideas, just expressed myself. If you felt offended, i am sorry.

Semseddin said:
@CaelanT,
Don't bark towards me, move along
@Alaq,
I didn't mean to approve your ideas, just expressed myself. If you felt offended, i am sorry.
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Shukran...

FYI. I don't know if this link helps. I'm posting it, just in case.
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...10&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto
To my knowledge that Bionic lapdock is identical to the Atrix one but with the HDMI and MicroUSB connectors reversed.
BTW I ordered three MK802's in the 1GB RAM version and the status has just changed to "shipped".
Now that I read the rumor about an early ICS demo, I am torn between waiting for ICS and trying this mod.
Cheers, G

I like webtop (or ubuntop)... Is the plan to run a similar ubuntu syste, or a hybrid, or just tabletUI?

You can run Android ICS or Ubuntu on the MK802 I read somewhere... So I'll look at all the possibilities...

MK802 disassembly pics
FYI.
http://3dobjectifying.blogspot.ie/2012/05/mk802-received.html
still waiting for my MK802's , and have already three more friends who want one
also:
1. MK802 audio is only through HDMI - to use a headset when I want, I think I'd add a 3.5mm stereo switching jack somewhere on the back of the lapdock
2. MK802 has no bluetooth - but the pics in the link I posted show a USB bluetooth dongle attached to it - I think that's a good idea if you want bluetooth
3. MK802 is only 802.11 b/g networking no n - I suppose you'd have to live with that.
Cheers and keep us posted! I'll do the same - giuanz

giuanz said:
FYI.
http://3dobjectifying.blogspot.ie/2012/05/mk802-received.html
still waiting for my MK802's , and have already three more friends who want one
also:
1. MK802 audio is only through HDMI - to use a headset when I want, I think I'd add a 3.5mm stereo switching jack somewhere on the back of the lapdock
2. MK802 has no bluetooth - but the pics in the link I posted show a USB bluetooth dongle attached to it - I think that's a good idea if you want bluetooth
3. MK802 is only 802.11 b/g networking no n - I suppose you'd have to live with that.
Cheers and keep us posted! I'll do the same - giuanz
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I missed it by a day last week... They were sold out within 2 days lol... Anyways I'll start taking apart my lapdock to check the connections and make some space...

Alaq said:
I missed it by a day last week... They were sold out within 2 days lol... Anyways I'll start taking apart my lapdock to check the connections and make some space...
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there are more sellers on Aliexpress who claim they have it, although the only seller which already has feedback is sold out.
Also there are some on sale on eBay.
btw if you want to have a laugh, look at this: http://www.mk802.net
(LOL, the Chinese are discovering what intellectual property means)
btw2 I just made an experiment. I forced discharge of my Atrix battery to 0% - basically till the point it would only boot in charger mode not full OS.
With the lapdock open, it would charge. With the lapdock closed, it would not charge.
So my idea of how the lid open/close switch works is like this:
1. lid open -> lapdock gives USB power to phone
2. lid closed -> lapdock checks HDMI port for signal. If HDMI signal present, lapdock gives USB power. Otherwise USB stays off.
That also would explain why, when you connect the lapdock, the first thing the phone does is send that M logo ove the HDMI port - just like a way to say to the lapdock: "hey wait for me I'm there, give me USB (so I can recognise the keyboard and trackpad) and I'll boot webtop".
Now I think if this logic turns to be true, you would not even need an extra power switch! Just open the lid to power on - it will stay powered on as long as there is HDMI signal - and when you want to shutdown, youĺl do it through the menu.
The only annoying thing is that there won't be any notification when the battery is about to run out of juice.

Android into Cars

After trying several Android tablets, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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Thanks for you guys' attention. Eventually, products are coming:
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nonstop2050 said:
After trying several Android tablet, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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That is a genious idea!! So you plan to integrate a standard Android tablet into a car so that the front passengers can listen to music, make play lists play movies, use Google Maps based GPS (obviously this would only work for SIM card enabled tablets). I cant think of any other uses unless you really wanted to make serious modifications to the car.
Seriously, if I were you I would delete this thread until your idea has a patent or two because this idea is gold dust.

Noobie Boobie said:
That is a genious idea!! So you plan to integrate a standard Android tablet into a car so that the front passengers can listen to music, make play lists play movies, use Google Maps based GPS (obviously this would only work for SIM card enabled tablets). I cant think of any other uses unless you really wanted to make serious modifications to the car.
Seriously, if I were you I would delete this thread until your idea has a patent or two because this idea is gold dust.
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Yes. That is what i want to do.
Basically, i developed a board and it works. Now, im thinking new features and going to complete the work. One day it may come as an open design for Android fans.
Internet on the way is possible as 3G connection(USB dongle) is ready. Google street view is an interesting app for driving.

# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.

I love the idea of android in the car. But don't waste your time re-inventing the wheel, essentially building a custom tablet that will surely be out of date(both in hardware and in software) long before the product makes it out the door.
Compared to technology, cars last forever. *The only way to keep car electronics from feeling dated by the time the car pulls out of the lot is to have a "Dumb" car which can seamlessly integrate with user-replaceable off-the-shelf electronics.
Focus your resources on creating a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car. Then all that is left is a one-size-fits all frame for the console that permits you to drop in any (or a wide range) tablet the user wants. Inside the frame you could provide either both power & data over USB or power over usb and data/control over Bluetooth. Spend all of your effort in making the interface compatible with as many makes / models of cars as possible and working out how to get as much data and control over the car as possible. Don't waste your time on anything else..
Make this data/control available via a openly published API and let other developers build apps to display/use/control things and let Samsung/Asus/Apple/whoever build the actual tablets.
This approach is best for everyone. Less work for you on so many levels. And for customers it is great because it is future proof. In a 5 years (or 5 months) all you have to do to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware is stop by best buy and pick out a tablet.

cypho said:
I love the idea of android in the car. But don't waste your time re-inventing the wheel, essentially building a custom tablet that will surely be out of date(both in hardware and in software) long before the product makes it out the door.
Compared to technology, cars last forever. *The only way to keep car electronics from feeling dated by the time the car pulls out of the lot is to have a "Dumb" car which can seamlessly integrate with user-replaceable off-the-shelf electronics.
Focus your resources on creating a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car. Then all that is left is a one-size-fits all frame for the console that permits you to drop in any (or a wide range) tablet the user wants. Inside the frame you could provide either both power & data over USB or power over usb and data/control over Bluetooth. Spend all of your effort in making the interface compatible with as many makes / models of cars as possible and working out how to get as much data and control over the car as possible. Don't waste your time on anything else..
Make this data/control available via a openly published API and let other developers build apps to display/use/control things and let Samsung/Asus/Apple/whoever build the actual tablets.
This approach is best for everyone. Less work for you on so many levels. And for customers it is great because it is future proof. In a 5 years (or 5 months) all you have to do to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware is stop by best buy and pick out a tablet.
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hi, cypho
Thanks for your advice.
Due to variety of cars(and tablets), I guess most difficult part is "a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car". Beside audio, power ..interfaces fitting to tablet, mounting and installation are blocking issues to make this kind of device.
There is another interface which has been widely applied in after market car head unit: standard 2DIN/1DIN stereo. Unfortunately, we have to put tablet into 2DIN/1DIN shield by this way.

nonstop2050 said:
hi, cypho
Thanks for your advice.
Due to variety of cars(and tablets), I guess most difficult part is "a device that does nothing other than act as an interface between an off-the-shelf tablet and the car". Beside audio, power ..interfaces fitting to tablet, mounting and installation are blocking issues to make this kind of device.
There is another interface which has been widely applied in after market car head unit: standard 2DIN/1DIN stereo. Unfortunately, we have to put tablet into 2DIN/1DIN shield by this way.
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I agree that is the hard part. Unfortunately that hard part cannot be avoided, weather you use an off the shelf tablet or build your own - it still has to interface with the car.
Really the ones who should be providing that open interface is the car manufactures. But they will never do it. They want to charge you $10,000 for an upgraded electronics package and then rely on those electronics feeling dated after 3 years to persuade people into buying a whole new car. How can they do any of that if it was easy to upgrade/replace the built in electronics for the cost of a cheep tablet.
The good news for you is because of the overpriced nature of manufacturers options if done right(sufficient polish and access to sufficient data and control over the car) you should be able to sell your interface device for big $$$. If the manufactures electronics option costs $10,000 and people are willing to pay for that, why would they not be willing to forgo the manufactures package pay twice that much or more for an aftermarket one that will never get old. Or better yet, imagine how much it is worth to someone considering spending buying a whole new car because their current car feels old.

Guys look here.
this dude build his streak 7 into his car. Just a idea

user_error said:
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
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Hi,
Media Sync is a killer application comparing current head unit. :laugh: WIFI is working easily on Android. As you mentioned, quality antenna is a must. Thanks for your information.

exebreez said:
Guys look here.
this dude build his streak 7 into his car. Just a idea
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thats something i'd do if i had the time and money

nice idea
voice controls would be really nice and an option to let it read out mails/messages you are getting while driving

There are some good voice control apps in google play. Hardware should link to an internal or external mic for the apps.
Here I put an external one for better performance.

nonstop2050 said:
After trying several Android tablets, i am developing a board for DIY in-dash system which supports GPS, Music, Video, FM and maybe DVD... Any feature do you like if there is one Android system in your car?
Voice call?
Camera? :laugh:
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multiple cameras and external storage to store video streams from cameras
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user_error said:
# feature is a quality wifi antenna.. reasoning being if its parked near my house it can connect and sync media, etc. External USB ports and Host mode.
Outside of that it all really falls on software I think. One would be the ability to mount MTP devices, and find media on them to play.
I have been thinking about this for years, and originally I was just going to use a browser based UI on top of a very minimalistic linux install. At this point just a tablet minus the form factor and some of the performance (has to be snappy but no need to play angry birds at 200fps), for a bit less $ could make a killer head unit.
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You will stay in the car listening music instead of going back home to listen on our Sofa?

FocusVideo said:
multiple cameras and external storage to store video streams from cameras
USB camera and USB storage have been applied in the design.
USB camera can be standard PC web camera.
Full function samples will be done in several weeks. :laugh:
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.

JoelZracer said:
hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.
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hands free bluetooth profile would be good to have also.

Focus on fidelity
Your early adopters would definitely be those who are already putting in custom stereos. The main thing is that you want quality audio connections via RCA connectors, and avoid ground-loop noise like the plague. Even if what you created was just a a Bluetooth transceiver in the trunk...
-Charles
FoneFill

Boll*cks I had this idea the other day.... then seen this. Guess I'll leave it to you good luck lad. :thumbup:
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You mean something like This ?
This would be great, if you could only make a dock for ANY tablet. The tablet that comes with this isnt probably too good. Having a nexus 7 in would make things MUNCH more intersting

Windows 8 phones

First Windows 8 phone revealed, from i-mate:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brier...-8-pc-phone-revealed-plus-tablet-and-desktop/
4.7" screen Windows 8 Pro, and runs atom processor.
Look forward to seeing reviews and seeing how well the phone/messaging capability is on this.
We will see more of these, especially when Intel releases a 22nm atom later this year. And some ARM ones with Windows RT.
(Follow up to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226360)

CSMR said:
First Windows 8 phone revealed, from i-mate:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brier...-8-pc-phone-revealed-plus-tablet-and-desktop/
4.7" screen Windows 8 Pro, and runs atom processor.
Look forward to seeing reviews and seeing how well the phone/messaging capability is on this.
We will see more of these, especially when Intel releases a 22nm atom later this year. And some ARM ones with Windows RT.
(Follow up to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226360)
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If you can get that setup for $1600, I'd be impressed. Nice business solution if you ask me...

it won't sell, because its a proprietary dock, for one phone only.
needs to be a STANDARD wireless charging base (mac mini sized) with vga/sound/mic/hdmi/etc out the back, so regular peripherals can be used. large enough to charge 2-3 phones at once, is a good idea too.
dlna to dock, hdmi/vga to screen, etc
now, as far as convincing people to buy windows 8, I have no idea how.

ohgood said:
it won't sell, because its a proprietary dock, for one phone only.
needs to be a STANDARD wireless charging base (mac mini sized) with vga/sound/mic/hdmi/etc out the back, so regular peripherals can be used. large enough to charge 2-3 phones at once, is a good idea too.
dlna to dock, hdmi/vga to screen, etc
now, as far as convincing people to buy windows 8, I have no idea how.
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You want a Dock with a wireless charging base, VGA/HDMI, Audio in out all coming out of the dock. designed around all phones and indeed work with multiple phones at the same time.
So we can explain audio with Bluetooth, and DNLA with wifi but how my friend, do you explain your VGA/HDMI out? how do you charge it if your don't have a inductive phone? or do you want all phones to have inductive charging wireless VGA and HDMI output as well?
the concept of a docking station for a specific phone is a tried and tested model and is routinely used on laptops and tablets, these devices are far from "universal" one can argue that there has never been a universal docking station, simply because there are far too many designs and technologies to take in to account. The beloved Apple are the worst for this, buy any ipod dock and youll find as many adaptors and connectors stuffed in to the box to "make" it compatible as there are iphone covers in cheap arse phone stores.
I think the idea of having a phone that's so powerful that can be plugged in to a tablet case, laptop case, home entertainment system is a great concept, itll never happen but if a unified connectivity model could be made up then even better, the problem with such things is space, yes you can transmit HDMI wirelessly, but its heavy on juice consumption, far heavier than what induction charging can deliver.
I see what your saying and that would be ideal but practicalities will prohibit a universal dock, a set of docks available for your specific phone however is a great idea and one id sign up to.

As the article says, it is not going to be a 'stand alone' phone, but part of a 'hub' system. So it doesn't need to have a 'standard' docking or wireless charging system...
I think it's an interesting idea. Let's see if i-Mate pull this off!!!

dazza9075 said:
You want a Dock with a wireless charging base, VGA/HDMI, Audio in out all coming out of the dock. designed around all phones and indeed work with multiple phones at the same time.
So we can explain audio with Bluetooth, and DNLA with wifi but how my friend, do you explain your VGA/HDMI out? how do you charge it if your don't have a inductive phone? or do you want all phones to have inductive charging wireless VGA and HDMI output as well?
the concept of a docking station for a specific phone is a tried and tested model and is routinely used on laptops and tablets, these devices are far from "universal" one can argue that there has never been a universal docking station, simply because there are far too many designs and technologies to take in to account. The beloved Apple are the worst for this, buy any ipod dock and youll find as many adaptors and connectors stuffed in to the box to "make" it compatible as there are iphone covers in cheap arse phone stores.
I think the idea of having a phone that's so powerful that can be plugged in to a tablet case, laptop case, home entertainment system is a great concept, itll never happen but if a unified connectivity model could be made up then even better, the problem with such things is space, yes you can transmit HDMI wirelessly, but its heavy on juice consumption, far heavier than what induction charging can deliver.
I see what your saying and that would be ideal but practicalities will prohibit a universal dock, a set of docks available for your specific phone however is a great idea and one id sign up to.
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you know the answers to the questiions already... if the phone isn't inductive charge capable, well, it misses out. (I screwed up suggesting vga out, yes)
is the dock to be tossed out when the next phone is released, or microsoft abandons the current os, forcing hardware upgrades ?
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geddeeee said:
As the article says, it is not going to be a 'stand alone' phone, but part of a 'hub' system. So it doesn't need to have a 'standard' docking or wireless charging system...
I think it's an interesting idea. Let's see if i-Mate pull this off!!!
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ya, that was part of my point. the docking system is physically bound to only one phone model. a change of phones means the dock is obsolete. that's why I suggested a inductive version instead.

Re: Docks. You can do a lot with mini-displayport and micro-usb, which should fit on a superpowered phone. Or thunderbolt would work as a universal connector - thunderbolt out to a dock.
But what is more interesting to me is having a full windows OS on a phone. Windows Phone 8 still has a lot of core features missing, while Windows 8 does not have these gaps. Just add phone and messaging capability to Windows 8 and you will have an excellent OS for power users.
Hopefully there will be more of these phones when Intel finally moves Atom to 22nm later this year.

CSMR said:
Re: Docks. You can do a lot with mini-displayport and micro-usb, which should fit on a superpowered phone. Or thunderbolt would work as a universal connector - thunderbolt out to a dock.
But what is more interesting to me is having a full windows OS on a phone. Windows Phone 8 still has a lot of core features missing, while Windows 8 does not have these gaps. Just add phone and messaging capability to Windows 8 and you will have an excellent OS for power users.
Hopefully there will be more of these phones when Intel finally moves Atom to 22nm later this year.
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yesssss, that's what wp7/8 were supposed to do: bridge the gaps, the pc/phone in one.
but, now you have wp, surface/rt, w8 and their versions also. fragmentation, not integration.
oh, and xbox... office... very odd way of doing things.

huawei ascend w1
i recently bought the huawei ascend w1 and does anyone know how to disable the shutter sound ?

tkelly0727 said:
i recently bought the huawei ascend w1 and does anyone know how to disable the shutter sound ?
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Settings>Ringtones + Sounds> uncheck "Camera shutter" box

Shutter sound
Dadstar said:
Settings>Ringtones + Sounds> uncheck "Camera shutter" box
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Hi. I don't have a checkbox to turn the shutter sound off. I know my old Windows 7 phone had the option, but nothing on this one.
I'd love to turn it off because the default sound is horrible.

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Settings>Ringtones + Sounds> uncheck "Camera shutter" box
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Just purchased an O2 version, same here there is no Camera shutter box to uncheck.

Pretty disappointed in my first stick: The MK908. We're my expectations too high?

Always wanted a Android Mini PC to use on my living room TV for quick streaming, browsing and possibly for XBMC. With my interst growing and XBMC getting very stable on Android I went for the Tronsmart MK908. I assumed based solely on the model number that it was a better MK808... still not sure it isn't, but anyway.
First thing I did was instal Finless 1.5. Looks great on my 60" Visio in 1080p. Lodaded a decent build of XBMC but the damn little thing overheats and shuts off. Lasts about 10-15 minutes tops once XBMC is running. I've got it plugged in to the TV's USB port for power.
I con't get a bluetooth keyboard to work with it. It pairs but the keys do nothing. (Kensington Slimblade Bluetooth model)
Running in 720p doesn't help with overheating. This thing gets HOTT. Were my expectations too high for this little device?
It feels like more of a experiment or tinkerers toy. I've seen others gut it and add bulging heatsinks, adding fans, changing the enclosure (liek a cigar box with fans etc) and to me these changes completely defeat the purpose of a small hdmi dongle sized android pc and makes the clunky hard to transport.
Thoughts?

Remember these things are built to a price. But you should still expect a decent level of functionality. I suggest under clocking it and put fans on it in a different case. A case of buyer beware if there are a lot of devices like this. Research and gather others opinions on these devices prior to purchase...
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You should try a different power supply. Received wisdom is that cheap ones that come with sticks often cause freeze or shutdown because of the dynamic current load. Use a name-brand one with 1.5 amp capacity or more if you can, but even a 1 amp phone charger will probably be more stable than the included charger.
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ragesoss said:
You should try a different power supply. Received wisdom is that cheap ones that come with sticks often cause freeze or shutdown because of the dynamic current load. Use a name-brand one with 1.5 amp capacity or more if you can, but even a 1 amp phone charger will probably be more stable than the included charger.
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You are right man the only problem that i see here too is the power supply, a usb port on the tv usually outputs only 0.5 amp while the minimum for this quad core is 2 amp. It might work with a good 1 amp power supply but only for main tasks but if you want to see movies in full hd or play games you'll need a lot more than that.

Agreed. Use the included power supply. It's packaged for a reason.

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Agreed. Use the included power supply. It's packaged for a reason.
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actually most chinese minipc sells with extremely underpowered power supplies, they write "2A" or such on them but if you test them they really are just 0.5a or 0.75a
as for tv you shoud check your tv manual, some have low power usb ports that are rated only for usb memory sticks, others have powered usb ports rated for unpowered usb hd.
only the latter kind can juice a minipc - sometimes TV have more than one usb port but only one is hd-rated.

Yeah, I suggest throwing away the included supply. One thing recommended on Freaktab is to buy a PSVita charger (1.5a, ~$10 on Amazon). You have to cut out a bit of plastic for regular USB cables to fit. I got one recently and have had no freezes or reboots since on my mk808b.
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NixZero said:
actually most chinese minipc sells with extremely underpowered power supplies, they write "2A" or such on them but if you test them they really are just 0.5a or 0.75a
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Not starting a war here however that's very true true & customers must be aware of this. However I must of been one of the lucky ones as my adapter is pushing 2Amps at 5.1V +/-.5...
Hell I dished out almost a bill for this device the least we can all receive is hardware that's correct from our supplier..
Agreed towards the powered USB within tvs.. Highest Amp rating I seen was on a Samsung model & that was only pushing 1.34Amps.. Nor was it constant as the Amp readings would fluctuate during input presses via remote or on the telly itself via hard key.
Power blocks are key & this device needs every little bit of at least 1.5Amps & even at times that's not enough..

I had a similar issue with my 908. I didn't use the one that came with it because the metal contact on the usb port looked was rusted.
Instead I tried the adapter for my Nexus 4, which is supposed to be a 5v 1a / 2a variable but it froze playing Captain America on Netflix.
I then tried it with my old Nexus 7 [Tegra 3] adapter which is a 5v 2a and it worked perfectly - played the entire movie, no issues (at 1920x1080p @ 60fps). In essence, I do think that whoever buys this stick needs to pick up a 5a 2a solid - no variable chargers. Also, I'd highly recommend not bothering with the wifi on it. Grab a 10/100 or 10/100/1000 ethernet stick and use that.
Good Luck.

xbmc overheating
I have read that XBMC has no hardware acceleration on those RK... processors. You need to use alternative video player like MX Player or BS Player.

latest nightles have libstagefrigt hw accel integrated and its working quite good on rockchip devices.

lewy20041 said:
latest nightles have libstagefrigt hw accel integrated and its working quite good on rockchip devices.
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Got a link?

http://mirrors.xbmc.org/nightlies/android/

What were ur initial expectations btw?
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What were ur initial expectations btw?
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My bad didnt get the first page. We used to sell something with a unit with the same specs they are right your power source is not providing enough juice. Especially ur using a tv usb that usually have 500mA. Try getting a usb charger thats got at least 2A. And android sticks nirmally runs hot though.
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I've tried these nightly xbmc versions months before. It is hw accelerated, because, instead of xbmc' it uses mx player for video playing.
So, it means, you can use mx player directly, you get the same reaults.
But i prefer vondershare player. But it has problems with subtitles.
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The nightlies didn't have libsf very many months ago, though libsf alphas were in the nightly directory. Now all nightlies have libsf support.
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Power Supply/Charger
People who posted "Get a better power supply/charger", which 2amp charger would be ideal?

All main issues (reboot and/or shutdown) are related to the power supply, it's a matter of fact the shipped power adapter sucks.
Some people advised to get the Ipad one, any 2/2.4A one will do the job: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-OEM...ader_Chargers_Sync_Cables&hash=item3f264c673d

2006 Chevy Malibu Nexus 7 Install

So this is something that I would really like to do but have put it off for a few reasons.
I decided that a Nexus 7 car install is the best option for having Android in the car. At first I considered buying an App Radio 3 and using AR Unchained to just mirror my phone on the head unit. But after learning that Pioneer's AR3 head units are less then stellar I decided to abandon that option. Besides, who wants to connect their phone to their stereo everytime they get in the car?
Next I considered buying one of those Chinese made head units with Android 4.2 but for some reason they don't seem to make any that fit my car. Not to mention that after seeing some pretty decent reviews of them on this forum I still feel leery about buying one.
So that leaves me with the only option of installing a tablet in my car.
Right now everything in my car is completely stock. I figured the best way to connect the tablet to my car's speakers is through the replacement of the factory stereo through an aftermarket one, possibly the Pioneer DEH-80PRS which I'm currently considering.
This poses a few problems, the current stereo is a double din so I have the space to work with. However I would have relocate the aftermarket stereo somewhere else. Either behind the tablet like some others have done or in the glove box, something I really don't want to do.
But by doing this I would lose access to the physical volume control on the head unit, I'm trying to figure a way around this but I haven't come to any reasonable conclusions as of yet. I do have steering wheel controls so this is an option, however it doesn't really help much when you have a passenger that want's to control the volume.
Next is the sound quality, I was really hoping that I could plug the Nexus 7 in the head unit through the USB port and have audio transfer that way like with an iPod. But from what I've researched online it seems that this is not possible? Atleast not without a custom ROM anyways, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Next issue is power, I've heard alot of problems keeping the tablet charged in the car. Is there a way to keep it charged even while using it?
If I opt for a DAC that plugs into the Nexus 7 either through USB or the headphone jack, how will I keep the DAC powered?
Thanks

Wow, not one reply...

I've thought this over and over with the plethora of android devices that hang around my house. The best way I think, is to buy a midrange amp with 4chans and run a splitter from the 1/8inch jack.
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Keep in mind that physically installing the tablet in the car without an option for removal will most likely expose it to extreme heat and cold which is highly detrimental to the battery health!
Throwing out bad batteries is terribly damaging to then environment in the case you would like to get a new device also.
Please consider having a stand/deck/clamp that allows you to remove it when you leave the car with you; as this will prolong the life of the battery and keep toxic garbage out of landfills!

shadowmyst87 said:
So this is something that I would really like to do but have put it off for a few reasons.
I decided that a Nexus 7 car install is the best option for having Android in the car. At first I considered buying an App Radio 3 and using AR Unchained to just mirror my phone on the head unit. But after learning that Pioneer's AR3 head units are less then stellar I decided to abandon that option. Besides, who wants to connect their phone to their stereo everytime they get in the car?
Next I considered buying one of those Chinese made head units with Android 4.2 but for some reason they don't seem to make any that fit my car. Not to mention that after seeing some pretty decent reviews of them on this forum I still feel leery about buying one.
So that leaves me with the only option of installing a tablet in my car.
Right now everything in my car is completely stock. I figured the best way to connect the tablet to my car's speakers is through the replacement of the factory stereo through an aftermarket one, possibly the Pioneer DEH-80PRS which I'm currently considering.
This poses a few problems, the current stereo is a double din so I have the space to work with. However I would have relocate the aftermarket stereo somewhere else. Either behind the tablet like some others have done or in the glove box, something I really don't want to do.
But by doing this I would lose access to the physical volume control on the head unit, I'm trying to figure a way around this but I haven't come to any reasonable conclusions as of yet. I do have steering wheel controls so this is an option, however it doesn't really help much when you have a passenger that want's to control the volume.
Next is the sound quality, I was really hoping that I could plug the Nexus 7 in the head unit through the USB port and have audio transfer that way like with an iPod. But from what I've researched online it seems that this is not possible? Atleast not without a custom ROM anyways, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Next issue is power, I've heard alot of problems keeping the tablet charged in the car. Is there a way to keep it charged even while using it?
If I opt for a DAC that plugs into the Nexus 7 either through USB or the headphone jack, how will I keep the DAC powered?
Thanks
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Which version Nexus 7? 2012 or 2013, TIMUR's Rom seems to be the one everyone is using for a fixed install. I am in process of doing a fixed installation for a 2012 Nexus 7 in my weekend fun car, I am using Timurs Rom, I have a Direct HD Tuner and an app a guy on Rootzwiki made for it, I am using a Behringer UCA202 USB DAC to handle the audio.
I too have the Volume control challenge and I don't have the steering wheel controls, the other piece is with the HDTuner, the audio bypasses the Nexus for the tuner so I needed some sort of adjustment. I am still working it out, but many opt for the Clarion EQS746, and I have seen several other brands that seem to be the same..
I am curious how you plan to handle all the integrated info on your radio (Trip, Oil Life, etc) I know that is a stopping poitn for me on my 2007 Malibu MAXX SS, not sure how I duplicate that info and I think if I took the radio out completely I would have other issues

-=Jeff=- said:
Which version Nexus 7? 2012 or 2013, TIMUR's Rom seems to be the one everyone is using for a fixed install. I am in process of doing a fixed installation for a 2012 Nexus 7 in my weekend fun car, I am using Timurs Rom, I have a Direct HD Tuner and an app a guy on Rootzwiki made for it, I am using a Behringer UCA202 USB DAC to handle the audio.
I too have the Volume control challenge and I don't have the steering wheel controls, the other piece is with the HDTuner, the audio bypasses the Nexus for the tuner so I needed some sort of adjustment. I am still working it out, but many opt for the Clarion EQS746, and I have seen several other brands that seem to be the same..
I am curious how you plan to handle all the integrated info on your radio (Trip, Oil Life, etc) I know that is a stopping poitn for me on my 2007 Malibu MAXX SS, not sure how I duplicate that info and I think if I took the radio out completely I would have other issues
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I'm planning on buying the 2013 version. Timur's rom isn't available for the 2nd gen Nexus 7 yet.
I'm not worried about losing the driver information center in the Malibu. If I really wanted to keep it I could buy a metra double din dash kit that includes the driver information center module but I don't feel like spending $240.
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mediumsteak said:
Keep in mind that physically installing the tablet in the car without an option for removal will most likely expose it to extreme heat and cold which is highly detrimental to the battery health!
Throwing out bad batteries is terribly damaging to then environment in the case you would like to get a new device also.
Please consider having a stand/deck/clamp that allows you to remove it when you leave the car with you; as this will prolong the life of the battery and keep toxic garbage out of landfills!
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I don't really live in an area that has wild temperature swings. My car's windows are already tinted and I use a shade on the front windshield so I'm not too worried about it.
I'm more worried about thievery, making it removable especially in a 2006 Malibu would require some sort of modification to the bezel.
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shadowmyst87 said:
I'm planning on buying the 2013 version. Timur's rom isn't available for the 2nd gen Nexus 7 yet.
I'm not worried about losing the driver information center in the Malibu. If I really wanted to keep it I could buy a metra double din dash kit that includes the driver information center module but I don't feel like spending $240.
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I'm doing a removable install in my 2012 impreza.
2013 LTE model
Timurs fi kernel + services (awesome and worth the 43.00, free in may iirc)
Uca202 usb dac
Amp will be alpine ktp445u (fosgate pbr 300x4 would be awesome too but I already have the alpine)
Joycon exr for steering wheel controls.
No need for aftermarket deck, unless you want fm (I haven't listened to fm in 10+ years)
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flyboy1100 said:
I'm doing a removable install in my 2012 impreza.
2013 LTE model
Timurs fi kernel + services (awesome and worth the 43.00, free in may iirc)
Uca202 usb dac
Amp will be alpine ktp445u (fosgate pbr 300x4 would be awesome too but I already have the alpine)
Joycon exr for steering wheel controls.
No need for aftermarket deck, unless you want fm (I haven't listened to fm in 10+ years)
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I wasn't aware that Timur's rom was available for the 2013 Nexus 7 yet, I thought it wasn't going to be available til May?
The aftermarket head unit makes it's easier to integrate into my car's audio system without having to buy a whole lot of extras. The car has 104k miles, I'm not sure I wan't to do alot of modding to it at this point.
Plus, the head unit would serve it's purpose when I have passengers that wan't to connect their phone/mp3 player to listen to their own music. You can't do that with a tablet, atleast not that I know of...correct me if I'm wrong.
I'd also have bluetooth hands free calling with the head unit, not that I'd ever use it anyways.

shadowmyst87 said:
I wasn't aware that Timur's rom was available for the 2013 Nexus 7 yet, I thought it wasn't going to be available til May?
The aftermarket head unit makes it's easier to integrate into my car's audio system without having to buy a whole lot of extras. The car has 104k miles, I'm not sure I wan't to do alot of modding to it at this point.
Plus, the head unit would serve it's purpose when I have passengers that wan't to connect their phone/mp3 player to listen to their own music. You can't do that with a tablet, atleast not that I know of...correct me if I'm wrong.
I'd also have bluetooth hands free calling with the head unit, not that I'd ever use it anyways.
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I have factory hands free and I only use it occasionally (and I drive a stick!) I may get a parrot kit or similar, but undecided so far. The uca202 has an additional input that could be used for it. You can pick up the dac and amp for about 150 on Amazon and not have to worry about stashing it somewhere.
I can't argue your points about passengers, I usually just music we all like anyway.
Timurs kernel is up and running, there is a thread in general I believe. You have to pay now, 35euros with WiFi Mac (kernel linked to that device only) or 50euros w/o mac.
I was using it on the WiFi version, but returned it because Verizon had the lte on sale last weekend for 49.99! I contacted timur and he changed it up for me from wifi to lte within hours!. Been a few updates so far and he sends out emails with notification and a change log.
I think it was worth the 43.00 I spent for it, allows me to test everything, and get most of my stuff figured out.
I'm just stuck on a mount that would look good, I don't want to hack up my dash, because in 2 years I will probably update to something newer. I bought a cheap snap on case, but it fits too well!
All together I have spent only about 230 including the tablet. (I had the amp installed already)
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I have factory hands free and I only use it occasionally (and I drive a stick!) I may get a parrot kit or similar, but undecided so far. The uca202 has an additional input that could be used for it. You can pick up the dac and amp for about 150 on Amazon and not have to worry about stashing it somewhere.
I can't argue your points about passengers, I usually just music we all like anyway.
Timurs kernel is up and running, there is a thread in general I believe. You have to pay now, 35euros with WiFi Mac (kernel linked to that device only) or 50euros w/o mac.
I was using it on the WiFi version, but returned it because Verizon had the lte on sale last weekend for 49.99! I contacted timur and he changed it up for me from wifi to lte within hours!. Been a few updates so far and he sends out emails with notification and a change log.
I think it was worth the 43.00 I spent for it, allows me to test everything, and get most of my stuff figured out.
I'm just stuck on a mount that would look good, I don't want to hack up my dash, because in 2 years I will probably update to something newer. I bought a cheap snap on case, but it fits too well!
All together I have spent only about 230 including the tablet. (I had the amp installed already)
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$230? That's all you spent?! Perhaps maybe I'm over thinking this, that $49 you spent for the Nexus 7 LTE, obviously that was a two year contract right?
The reason why I'm thinking of buying just WiFi version is because I have a GSIII with a grandfathered unlimited data plan back from 2010 when Verizon was still offering unlimited data. My idea was to just tether that to the tablet considering that it's unlimited anyways. What solution did you use to keep your tablet powered while in use? It seems like that's the biggest PITA from what I've read.
Would you mind taking some pictures of your install if it's not any trouble?
Thank
This is what my dash looks like to give everyone an idea of what I'm dealing with,
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I'm trying to figure out what I can do to mount the tablet infront of the bezel rather then behind it because it's too much of a hassle to take that bezel off.

shadowmyst87 said:
$230? That's all you spent?! Perhaps maybe I'm over thinking this, that $49 you spent for the Nexus 7 LTE, obviously that was a two year contract right?
The reason why I'm thinking of buying just WiFi version is because I have a GSIII with a grandfathered unlimited data plan back from 2010 when Verizon was still offering unlimited data. My idea was to just tether that to the tablet considering that it's unlimited anyways. What solution did you use to keep your tablet powered while in use? It seems like that's the biggest PITA from what I've read.
Would you mind taking some pictures of your install if it's not any trouble?
Thank
This is what my dash looks like to give everyone an idea of what I'm dealing with,
I'm trying to figure out what I can do to mount the tablet infront of the bezel rather then behind it because it's too much of a hassle to take that bezel off.
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I can post pics, it will probably be a few weeks though, I'm waiting on some warranty service behind the climate controls so I don't want to install only to have the dealer screw it up.
67 shipped w/tax for nx7 on contract. (If you have unlimited probably should get wifi only)
42 joycon exr
30 for usb dac
30 in cables
15 for power supply (100w converter)
5 for hard plastic case from China
12.50 for hdpe to build a box behind for storage
43 timurs kernel
10 gnd loop isolator
10 for a amp turn on delay
Plus a few more small things i can't remember.
In comparison I was going to get an appradio3, but that was almost 600 after everything i would have needed, plus the mirroring was flaky even with official adapters for my note 2
Timurs kernel + otg charge cable + power supply = charging nx7 + usb peripherals
I plan to build a box the same size the factory radio, put a spacer between it and the hard plastic case and I will just snap the tablet into it, plug in the cable and go. Timurs kernel lets you hotplug audio devices so no rebooting required.
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Search for subaru nexus 7 install, there is one where they built an acrylic case, mounted a case to it and clipped in nx7. I plan to do the same, only the case will be on the outside so I can easily remove it.
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I guess I am closer to 300 all said and done
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5.1 surround sound setup
I'm doing similar in a 04 f150 .. Instead of my headphone jack I'm using the HDMI audio. Have a HDMI audio extractor, that has digital audio outs , I'm running the fiberoptic audio to a small surround sound decoder, 5.1 surround, the decoder has 6 sets of RCAs I'm running to the amplifiers. I'm using a small Bluetooth keyboard with track pad to control volume and what not.. The hdmi audio extractor has a HDMI out put also so I can add a monitor or a projector for a mobile drive-in experience. Between the tab, the slimport, HDMI audio splitter, surround decoder and keyboard, I have about 320-350 invested. Not bad considering the resolution, the navigation, and everything else you'd spend well over a grand or more with any alpine and not have near the capabilities. And of course I have unlimited data with sprint on my phone so a WiFi hotspot keeps the tablets fed with data
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shadowmyst87,
Do you have a like as to the steps to remove the bezel on your malibu? I have no idea how to remove that piece on my 2007 and the dash looks the same..
Thanks

http://www.sound-repair.com/index.php/chevrolet-malibu-04-07-stereo-removal-instructions/

mackeystingray said:
http://www.sound-repair.com/index.php/chevrolet-malibu-04-07-stereo-removal-instructions/
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Thanks

UCA 202 setup
How do you have your Dac set up. I am powering my tablet from a usb hub and when i plug my dac in i get nothing, no lights nada. But my N7 charges just fine. Can you help out here . Also i am running my dac to an aftermarket head unit

The USB hub will not support the video or the audii
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