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Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you could loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. Which doesn't seem to affect EU people But anyway, I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversible consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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The answers in green = positive or red = negative show the current state according to the replies in here, If you have other experiences please let us know.
[ROOTING tripping KNOX 0x1]
Are there any irreversible malfunctions when rooting your device (especially the GT-I9195) and turning to "knox warranty void 0x1"?
Are all (pre-installed) apps - except the Knox apps - still working as they should on rooted stock roms (s-apps, cam, calendar,..)?
[GOING BACK TO DEFAULT FACTORY STATUS]
Regarding the software only:
can you go back to 100% factory status (unrooted, stock etc) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4 you can go back with no malfunctions
Do you get the Knox warnings again?
No, according to iPAQS4
Are there any other app or system malfunctions?
- No
Is it true that OTA updates won't work anymore once you tripped your knox flag?
- No, according to iPAQS4 they still work
Is it possible to get official updates via Kies / USB cable still?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4
[FAILURES ROOTING, KNOX]
Regarding the Knox environment only, not self-caused rooting failures:
can there else go anything wrong that can't be undone like breaking important hardware?
or is there a higher chance to brick your device with Knox than without?
is an intact eFuse required by some other hardware (NFC, etc)?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
Here is an interesting article about all myths & truths about Knox. It's very informative and also answers a few of my questions: http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
Honky-Tonk said:
Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
Can you go back to stock Rom (un-rooted) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1"? And with which problems do you have to deal (software warnings, malfunctions...)?
Can you still get official Samsung updates via Kies or over unofficial channels?
Are there any known hardware or software malfunctions because of the broken eFuse?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
@ all_experienced_owners: would you still recommend rooting a Knox device or breaking the eFuse?
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If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
ladislav.heller said:
If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
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According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Honky-Tonk said:
According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
iPAQS4 said:
Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
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Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
Honky-Tonk said:
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
You can use this method to root with out trip the Knox flag: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
I've tried it on mine i9190 without any issue.
Honky-Tonk said:
Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
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When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
iPAQS4 said:
When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
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really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
nibb-1 said:
really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
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I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
Press THANKS if I helped!
Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Good to know, thank's a lot
Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
iPAQS4 said:
I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
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I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
RoyaLKurTx3 said:
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
Honky-Tonk said:
Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
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I will flash a new ROM and I'll see if the KNOX stays like it was. But I'll do that later today or tomorrow.
Press THANKS if I helped!
Honky-Tonk said:
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
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According myths & truths about Knox
If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure. By this I mean that if your workplace / company supports bring your own device to work for corporate emails etc and they use KNOX to keep security your device will not allow this. You are still able to use future Samsung firmware releases with the KNOX flag 0x1.
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
rnbeez said:
Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
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Yep.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Yep.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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wiered it needs more researching .. mate knox flag is nearly impossible to reset and you are sayin flashing a stock rom twice fixes it !!
Disclaimer: You are fully responsible for anything you do to your phone. This is the safest method possible but there are always risks involved. If you brick your phone, or have any otherwise negative effects no one here is at fault.
I am not a developer and can take no credit for this (and consequently cannot provide support for this)! All credit and thanks go to @k1mu for this method.
For those of you who want root access to your phone and do not want to use Kingo (root without Kingo) here is a safe method. The best part is if it doesn't work there is no harm done to your phone, it simply will not root. This will provide root on the stock software and DOES NOT trip the KNOX flag (your KNOX flag will remain 0x0). The way to trip the KNOX flag is by changing the kernel or bootloader/recovery and this does neither. It may change the System Status to "Custom" (this can be seen in Download Mode or in the phone's menu under Settings->About Phone->Status->Device Status) but there are ways to change that, see the details in the original post.
This does not unlock the boot loader, does not install a custom recovery or allow you to load custom ROMs.
@k1mu created this method using an Experia exploit and modifying it for the Galaxy S4 full size, however it works for many other Android devices. I used this to root a Verizon Galaxy S4 Mini SCH-I435 and other people have reported this working for the S3, Note 2, other carrier phones and some non-Samsung devices.
This will provide root access on your phone and install SuperSU. This works with Android 4.3 as well as 4.2.2.
Here's the basic steps to root your S4 Mini (for the full step-by-step visit the thread):
1. Setup USB drivers on your computer.
2. Enable USB debugging on your phone.
3. Enable USB ADB access.
4. Download and unzip the Saferoot.zip
5. Root your phone
6. Click "Thanks" on k1mu's thread for this (yes I added this step ).
If you have questions or run into problems reply to k1mu's thread. He is very helpful and quick to reply.
If you find yourself needing to unroot, visit post #2 in the original thread and follow the steps. You can find SCH-I435 stock firmware and Verizon software in this thread (post #10 & #12). I HAVE NOT TRIED THESE SO USE AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION.
List of devices this is confirmed working for:
Verizon SCH-I435
GT-I9190
GT-I9195 some variants (see post 33)
GT-I8190 (S3 Mini)
Devices this does not work for:
GT-I9195 some variants (see post 23-31)
Let me know if this works for your phone and I'll add it to the list.
What was the value of Knox counter in Download Mode after rooting with this method?
Thanks
newarkoz said:
What was the value of Knox counter in Download Mode after rooting with this method?
Thanks
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The KNOX flag is 0x0. Your warranty will be intact.
I'll upload a picture as soon as I can take one.
newarkoz said:
What was the value of Knox counter in Download Mode after rooting with this method?
Thanks
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This root technique doesn't touch the Knox Warranty Void flag as it doesn't try to flash anything (kernel, bootloader, etc.)
It does, however, set the "Custom" flag at boot. See post #2 in the original thread for ways to clear that.
It does NOT unlock the bootloader. Don't go off flashing AOSP or CM after you root, as those WILL set the Knox Warranty Void flag.
k1mu said:
This root technique doesn't touch the Knox Warranty Void flag as it doesn't try to flash anything (kernel, bootloader, etc.)
It does, however, set the "Custom" flag at boot. See post #2 in the original thread for ways to clear that.
It does NOT unlock the bootloader. Don't go off flashing AOSP or CM after you root, as those WILL set the Knox Warranty Void flag.
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Here you have it straight from the source!
Interestingly it didn't change the custom flag on the phone I rooted. Download mode shows system status is "Official" and the device status in the menu also still says "Official."
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postal302 said:
Disclaimer: You are fully responsible for anything you do to your phone. This is the safest method possible but there are always risks involved. If you brick your phone, or have any otherwise negative effects no one here is at fault.
I am not a developer and can take no credit for this (and consequently cannot provide support for this)! All credit and thanks go to @k1mu for this method.
For those of you who want root access to your phone and do not want to use Kingo (root without Kingo) here is a safe method. The best part is if it doesn't work there is no harm done to your phone, it simply will not root. This will provide root on the stock software and DOES NOT trip the KNOX flag (your KNOX flag will remain 0x0). It may change the System Status to "Custom" (this can be seen in Download Mode or in the phone's menu under Settings->About Phone->Status->Device Status) but there are ways to change that, see the details in the original post.
This does not unlock the boot loader, does not install a custom recovery or allow you to load custom ROMs.
@k1mu created this method using an Experia exploit and modifying it for the Galaxy S4 full size, however it works for many other Android devices. I used this to root a Verizon Galaxy S4 Mini SCH-I435 and other people have reported this working for the S3, Note 2, other carrier phones and some non-Samsung devices.
This will provide root access on your phone and install SuperSU. This works with Android 4.3 as well as 4.2.2.
Here's the basic steps to root your S4 Mini (for the full step-by-step visit the thread):
1. Setup USB drivers on your computer.
2. Enable USB debugging on your phone.
3. Enable USB ADB access.
4. Download and unzip the Saferoot.zip
5. Root your phone
6. Click "Thanks" on k1mu's thread for this (yes I added this step ).
If you have questions or run into problems reply to k1mu's thread. He is very helpful and quick to reply.
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What variations of the S4 Mini will this work on? for instance my one ( GT-I9190 )?
The Jinxer said:
Original quote:
What variations of the S4 Mini will this work on? for instance my one ( GT-I9190 )?
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There's tons of other options for GT*'s (flashes, roms, roots). I'd suggest checking them out. The verizon version (SCH*) was the one lacking safe root.
joetrizeo said:
There's tons of other options for GT*'s (flashes, roms, roots). I'd suggest checking them out. The verizon version (SCH*) was the one lacking safe root.
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I know that. Just want to know if it will work. I don't want to trigger any warnings like knox or safe boot Etc since Android and Samsung stepped up their security
The Jinxer said:
What variations of the S4 Mini will this work on? for instance my one ( GT-I9190 )?
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This is fairly new in the Mini world so I'm not sure which ones this method is confirmed for, but it should work for most any of the models. Over in the full size S4 forums it seems the AT&T phones are preventing root but others are having success. I don't see why it wouldn't work on your 9190, but the beauty of it is if it doesn't work there's no harm done. The ADB debugger will simply stop and your phone will remain unrooted, it's worth a shot.
If it does work let me know. I've started a list in post 2 of Minis that have successfully rooted using this method.
joetrizeo said:
There's tons of other options for GT*'s (flashes, roms, roots). I'd suggest checking them out. The verizon version (SCH*) was the one lacking safe root.
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There's a root method listed for the 9190 somewhere here in the forums but I believe it trips the KNOX flag and voids warranty. The post doesn't say whether it does or not, but gathering from what others have said in the thread it appears to change the KNOX flag to 0x1.
postal302 said:
This is fairly new in the Mini world so I'm not sure which ones this method is confirmed for, but it should work for most any of the models. Over in the full size S4 forums it seems the AT&T phones are preventing root but others are having success. I don't see why it wouldn't work on your 9190, but the beauty of it is if it doesn't work there's no harm done. The ADB debugger will simply stop and your phone will remain unrooted, it's worth a shot.
If it does work let me know. I've started a list in post 2 of Minis that have successfully rooted using this method.
There's a root method listed for the 9190 somewhere here in the forums but I believe it trips the KNOX flag and voids warranty. The post doesn't say whether it does or not, but gathering from what others have said in the thread it appears to change the KNOX flag to 0x1.
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looks like it worked, but i think i am seeing a slight performance decrease... unrooting... but thanks
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tried rooting again, seems to have no performance issues... maybe my phone was just reacting to its anal rape via usb
The Jinxer said:
looks like it worked, but i think i am seeing a slight performance decrease... unrooting... but thanks
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tried rooting again, seems to have no performance issues... maybe my phone was just reacting to its anal rape via usb
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I'd give it a couple days to adjust to it's new digs. I loaded a new kernel on my S3 which was supposed to improve battery life, day one was terrible but from then on it did in fact improve. I wasn't a believer in letting the phone "settle in"until then.
For curiosity sake, what did you do to unroot? Did it return the custom flag to official if it changed?
Can I count this as confirmed for the I9190?
You can definitely count this as confirmed. I'm not sure if the custom flag has been tripped. Nothing has changed in the About device settings
postal302 said:
Disclaimer: You are fully responsible for anything you do to your phone. This is the safest method possible but there are always risks involved. If you brick your phone, or have any otherwise negative effects no one here is at fault.
I am not a developer and can take no credit for this (and consequently cannot provide support for this)! All credit and thanks go to @k1mu for this method.
For those of you who want root access to your phone and do not want to use Kingo (root without Kingo) here is a safe method. The best part is if it doesn't work there is no harm done to your phone, it simply will not root. This will provide root on the stock software and DOES NOT trip the KNOX flag (your KNOX flag will remain 0x0). It may change the System Status to "Custom" (this can be seen in Download Mode or in the phone's menu under Settings->About Phone->Status->Device Status) but there are ways to change that, see the details in the original post.
This does not unlock the boot loader, does not install a custom recovery or allow you to load custom ROMs.
@k1mu created this method using an Experia exploit and modifying it for the Galaxy S4 full size, however it works for many other Android devices. I used this to root a Verizon Galaxy S4 Mini SCH-I435 and other people have reported this working for the S3, Note 2, other carrier phones and some non-Samsung devices.
This will provide root access on your phone and install SuperSU. This works with Android 4.3 as well as 4.2.2.
Here's the basic steps to root your S4 Mini (for the full step-by-step visit the thread):
1. Setup USB drivers on your computer.
2. Enable USB debugging on your phone.
3. Enable USB ADB access.
4. Download and unzip the Saferoot.zip
5. Root your phone
6. Click "Thanks" on k1mu's thread for this (yes I added this step ).
If you have questions or run into problems reply to k1mu's thread. He is very helpful and quick to reply.
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Just want to mention, I went into odin mode to check my knox status, and there is no mention of knox whatsoever??? i want to make sure my knox status isn't 0x1 but it looks like its gone? i thought knox flag was set by hardware? the eFuse or something
Has anyone tried it with the GT-I9195 model?
And more specific with the I9195XXUBMJ7 firmware, will this method trip knox warranty void?
dermousis said:
Has anyone tried it with the GT-I9195 model?
And more specific with the I9195XXUBMJ7 firmware, will this method trip knox warranty void?
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doubt it man, this method is still new. if anything you could be the one to test, as i did, i do have my warranty at stake, but cant be sure if its void since im not seeing ANY flags, the knox app is still there, but if i go to odin download mode, no knox entries appear.
The Jinxer said:
doubt it man, this method is still new. if anything you could be the one to test, as i did, i do have my warranty at stake, but cant be sure if its void since im not seeing ANY flags, the knox app is still there, but if i go to odin download mode, no knox entries appear.
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That is because u don`t have NEW bootloader yet
Just to be sure tell me what u see in *#1234#
U are in luck so to speak u have old firmware that does not contain Knox bootloader only Knox apps that are harmless without bootloader
U can use this guide : when a new firmware comes out Just don`t update with Kies/OTA and u are good to go
SilviuMik said:
That is because u don`t have NEW bootloader yet
Just to be sure tell me what u see in *#1234#
U are in luck so to speak u have old firmware that does not contain Knox bootloader only Knox apps that are harmless without bootloader
U can use this guide : when a new firmware comes out Just don`t update with Kies/OTA and u are good to go
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AP: I9190XXUAMF7
CP: (same as above)
CSC: I9190OJVAMG1
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i dont really mind having the knox bootloader when an OTA rolls out, i want the new version of android more than I want to root it
The Jinxer said:
AP: I9190XXUAMF7
CP: (same as above)
CSC: I9190OJVAMG1
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i dont really mind having the knox bootloader when an OTA rolls out, i want the new version of android more than I want to root it
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U don`t have the new bootloader Only from MK* MJ* ML* came the new bootloader
Well, u know better what u want from your phone
U can use Kies/OTA and stock rom no root / no different kernel and battery drain for now and hope Samsung will fix it on KitKat ( I did write to them on all channels how to fix it but .... will take a loooong time
Or Odin Stock rom / custom rom + custom kernel + no battery drain
Anyway all this is off topic
Just wanted to let u know u are lucky and can do a thing about Knox Other updated and cry after ^^
Take care mate
so you are saying i am safe from knox warranty void 0x1????
ERMAGEHRD
So my brand new s4 has just arrived, i was all hyped about rooting it and installing roms to it until i found about this knox warranty void thing, i know i should be searching for data and avoid posting a new thread but to make it short, i tried to search the forums but i found nothing but theories, nothing solid. So just wondering if there is anyway to root my s4 i9500 without voiding my warranty. ? Thanks.
Please try to avoid answers such as google it or similar cause i already did. Thanks !
running android 4.4.2
Poroto said:
So my brand new s4 has just arrived, i was all hyped about rooting it and installing roms to it until i found about this knox warranty void thing, i know i should be searching for data and avoid posting a new thread but to make it short, i tried to search the forums but i found nothing but theories, nothing solid. So just wondering if there is anyway to root my s4 i9500 without voiding my warranty. ? Thanks.
Please try to avoid answers such as google it or similar cause i already did. Thanks !
running android 4.4.2
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There are 2 threads in the i9505 forums that have everything you could ever want to know. One is all about Knox in general an dhow it works and what it does. (It's even a sticky, man.) The other is titles something like "Knox and warranty". I assure you it's all there.
there is no saferoot method for 4.4.2 you are out of luck
if you want to root you will trip knox
RubbaBand said:
there is no saferoot method for 4.4.2 you are out of luck
if you want to root you will trip knox
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Oh okay, that was the type of answer i was expected, simple and straight to the point. Guess ill be staying on pure stock then, thanks!
Hello,
I was wondering if the application "kingroot" is a good and trustable option to trust my device?
I also saw a site "oneclickroot.com" that looked intresting but after research I saw it's not trustable that they are out of your money.
Or what would you guys advice me?
It's not for intalling roms and so on. Just for other options that I want to root my device.
Greetings
CF-Auto-Root. It's the only way to go. And you can't without a PC.
ah owkey, and "kingroot" is unsafe then?
Oh and what about unrooting the device is that also possible with cf auto root?
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
Avanox said:
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
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Towelroot will simply not work on 5.0 (will reboot the phone after a while from clicking "make it ra1n" but no root access delivered)
For 4.4 you need GNF1 or older kernel for it to work - see HERE if you have newer version but still KK.
Ah ok and kingroot is also no option?
I m searching for the easyest way.
And is your way also possible to unroot?
The easiest way is CF-Autoroot, period. Flash it with the Odin software, let it deliver its payload, and you're done. If you want to unroot afterward, simply uninstall SuperSU.
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
If I use your method and I must remove it with time the root.
Is this the application that I will need to reset the trig knox flag to 0x0 ???
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway
Greetings
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
Avanox said:
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
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Knox is some kind of security crap from Samsung. You can find more about it in the s4 general section or by googling it.
Knox default status is 0x0.
Tripping knox to 0x1 will voind your warranty.
1. rooting the the device is to have acces to the root of the phone so you can do more with your phone.
2. I want to root it because I want to have following options enabled at my phone.
* Moving programs to my sd card (not possible anymore without rooting)
* More control over 3G/4G/Wifi/Gps (from my computer) when phone is lost
* Set a security code on the phone factory reset (with avast root edition)
* Using less battery to let greenpower auto disable the 3G or wifi and so on.
At the moment this are the most important things for me.
Flashing roms and so on doesn't intrest me now , because everything is working fine.
Greetings Avanox
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
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Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Ah owkey np.
Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox
So apparently you're still on Android 4.4.2, since Android 5.x removed the MicroSD card restriction. Is that correct?
As long as you are NOT on Android 5.x, you can root without tripping Knox, by downgrading the bootloader and modem to an earlier version, then running Towelroot. The drawback is that you won't be able to upgrade to Android 5.x. OTA updates won't function, and using Odin to upgrade wipes the /system partition, which will cost you root.
Regardless of the warranty, I personally would trip Knox and not lose any sleep over it.
Hey
Sorry for my double post.
Euh no, android 5.0.1 was already pre installed on this phone.
It is galaxy s4 black edition gt-i9515
Hmm maybe I must wait for a moment maybe there will come new safer methods
Greetings
The fact you have a value edition S4 changes things. You might as well flash CF-Autoroot now, because there are no safe methods for you. There are no custom ROMs either, but I digress.
@darrendude1: Rule number 1 of this site is to search before you post. The entire reason the rule is present is to avoid having people ask the same questions over and over again, simply because the question has likely been already answered. It applies regardless of whether you are a noob, senior member, recognized developer, or any other title the site may bestow.
In the case of the OP, you clearly didn't read the thread, because I explained to the OP exactly why I asked the questions. He understood why I asked them, and from there we have continued the conversation. To a noob, I would hope they would take rule 1 to heart, and actually did some research into what root is so they could actually explain why they think they need it.
Hi, I love this phone, but root has spoiled me. There are so many things missing from my device that require root, the most important of all, my precious adblocker :crying:
I know about proxy ad blocking but that doesn't work very well..
My question is, if I do root my phone, will I be able to unroot it and make it look like it was never rooted in case I need to return it while its still in warranty? I was able to do that with my Galaxy S4 by resetting some counters and flashing stock ROM, warranty guys didn't find out and I got my phone replaced. I'm not sure this will be the case with S7 Edge though, maybe Samsung found out ways to make this harder, I searched through google and I found no answers to this question.
re: un-rooting
KoKauH said:
Hi, I love this phone, but root has spoiled me. There are so many things missing from my device that require root, the most important of all, my precious adblocker :crying:
I know about proxy ad blocking but that doesn't work very well..
My question is, if I do root my phone, will I be able to unroot it and make it look like it was never rooted in case I need to return it while its still in warranty? I was able to do that with my Galaxy S4 by resetting some counters and flashing stock ROM, warranty guys didn't find out and I got my phone replaced. I'm not sure this will be the case with S7 Edge though, maybe Samsung found out ways to make this harder, I searched through google and I found no answers to this question.
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After rooting if you want to unroot all you do is go
into your app drawer and uninstall the supersu app
and reboot the phone and you will be unrooted.
Don't worry about warranty, they don't even check
for root.
Good luck,
Have a great day!
Misterjunky said:
After rooting if you want to unroot all you do is
using a file manager or explorer go into your
app drawer and uninstall the supersu app and
reboot the phone and you will be unrooted.
Don't worry about warranty, they don't even check
for root.
Good luck,
Have a great day!
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That differs from country to country.
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Misterjunky said:
After rooting if you want to unroot all you do is
using a file manager or explorer go into your
app drawer and uninstall the supersu app and
reboot the phone and you will be unrooted.
Don't worry about warranty, they don't even check
for root.
Good luck,
Have a great day!
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Hmm, I'm not sure I want to risk it, I remember on my S4 there were some warnings while the phone boots - https://imgur.com/3Eoedfg , which had to be removed before I return it since all they had to do to check if the device is rooted is turning on the phone. Will I be able to do the same thing with S7 Edge?
when u root u trigger the knox counter, and there's no way to return it to 0
technically, with a knox counter 0x1 you already lose ur warranty, but not all countries look for that thing, so check how warranty works in your country
QBerto said:
when u root u trigger the knox counter, and there's no way to return it to 0
technically, with a knox counter 0x1 you already lose ur warranty, but not all countries look for that thing, so check how warranty works in your country
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Thanks for your answer, I'm not sure where to check for how warranties work in my country. When I search in google all I get is info on what Knox warranty void means. I live in London UK, and this is where I replaced my phone that was 0x1 on its KNOX counter which gives me a little hope that they do not check this.
KoKauH said:
Thanks for your answer, I'm not sure where to check for how warranties work in my country. When I search in google all I get is info on what Knox warranty void means. I live in London UK, and this is where I replaced my phone that was 0x1 on its KNOX counter which gives me a little hope that they do not check this.
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Don't believe me because I'm not totally sure, but I remember a thread here a while ago (maybe a month after S7 came out) where this knox thing was discussed, and I'm pretty sure an user from UK said that in fact samsung uk doesn't check knox warranty, maybe looking for that thread helps you, the thread was somthing about rooting or knox warranty
QBerto said:
Don't believe me because I'm not totally sure, but I remember a thread here a while ago (maybe a month after S7 came out) where this knox thing was discussed, and I'm pretty sure an user from UK said that in fact samsung uk doesn't check knox warranty, maybe looking for that thread helps you, the thread was somthing about rooting or knox warranty
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Thanks for your help, I will look for this thread but even if they check for it, I might end up rooting my phone soon anyway. I didn't believe life with stock could be that hard