Is anybody else noticing how dull the colours on the Milestone 2 is? ive looked around and havnt been able to find anybody else talking about it.
I took a few shots of it beside a ZTE Blade and a Zune HD (Zune on medium brightness, both phones on 30% brightness) and strangely enough the Blade's TFT screen looks identical to the Zunes OLED... and the Milestone looks awful!
im confused because the Blade cost 100 and the Milestone cost me 450!???
photos and a video here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/savagecabage/Milestone2TFTErrible#
is there some settings that im missing? im hoping there is. i feel like ive been screwed my motorola lol but i suppose its my own fault, i didnt really do that much research on the screen, i just presumed that a phone that cost 4 times as much as my last phone would have a decent screen
i got this info from pdadb.net, does this make sense to anybody?
ZTE Blade color transflective TFT , 262144 scales
Milestone 2 color transflective TFT , 16777216 scales
also there only seems to be about a 5-10 degree viewing angle on it, once the phone is tilted out side that the colour drops again, oh well
Do you have any screen protector or something on the MS? Are you sure screen brightnes is @30%? I have Droid2 Global and a Milestone (1) which both essentially have the same screen as on MS2 and it is not looking half that dull! True, colors aren't AMOLED like, but I would call it above average for TFT screen
Edit: just looked at the rest of the pics you provided and honestly the ZTE screen looks worse than the MS2 when it comes to color representation - everything feels redish/pinkinsh on it. The AMOLED is not comparable under this conditions. Take some photos at daylight to see "the other side of the coin"
leobg said:
Do you have any screen protector or something on the MS? Are you sure screen brightnes is @30%? I have Droid2 Global and a Milestone (1) which both essentially have the same screen as on MS2 and it is not looking half that dull! True, colors aren't AMOLED like, but I would call it above average for TFT screen
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no screen protector on and im using widgetsoid power widget and have both of them set to 30% using that. yea maybe its that the ZTE Blade colours are over saturated and im just used to look at them that way, but there is definitely some colours wrong and dull in places, like the red in the youtube icon is more of a washed out red than thier logo usually is
ah not to worry i suppose, i probably wont even notice it in a few weeks, ill be selling of the blade then so i wont have anything to compare it to anymore
awesome phone apart from that though
if i find some better examples ill post them,
thanks
I also noticed this the night I took my Milestone 2 home... I was a little concerned at first, but the soft colors eventually grew on me and I dont mind it so much now
Shellite said:
I also noticed this the night I took my Milestone 2 home... I was a little concerned at first, but the soft colors eventually grew on me and I dont mind it so much now
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Its not just me so! thats nice to know im not going mad. im sure ill get used to it soon as well, its not the biggest deal breaker anyway, im just into a bit of photography in my spare time so i like being able to look at photos on my phone in the correct colour
this guy says the screen is vibrant? i must go ask him how he gets it so vibrant, maybe theres a setting somewhere to turn the colour back on
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/5213/motorola-milestone-2-android-review
"It is vibrant and displays colours well"
According to DisplayMate (which is an authority on displays) the Milestone Droid has the most accurate colors of ANY mobile screen. SAMOLED has awfully inaccrate and fake colors due to the poor pentile matrix arrangement. I dont know if the OLED screen on the Zune is full RGB or also pentile, but its colors are also "gaudy" and no realistic. Compared to my LG's IPS panel, the Milestone is pretty close. I suggest that your eyes are just accustomed to fake and bleeding colors, or your LCD might be a lemon.
The Milestone's display is IPS with full color gamut and true 24 bit color, not a cheap TN panel like almost every other phone. However, Android 2.1 and 2.2 have galleries that are only 16 bit, so pictures look compressed, not the screen's fault. Blame Google.
Www.displaymate.com.
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This picture indicates just how bad the ZTE screen is. That background on the right isn't even remotely close to being white like it is supposed to be.
It appears to me that your Droid brightness settings are too low (or is on auto dimming) because the Droid's screen should be much brighter--something like 550 nits for the Droid to 300-350 nits.
Also, your eyes are clearly accustomed to "gaudy" and inaccurate colors from OLED, whereas the Droid's display is very accurate.
Have a look at this DisplayMate article that breaks down why the Droid is accurate, Galaxy S' SAMOLED (similar to the Zune's OLED) inaccurate: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BZtTwn-keT4/TSb4DpoadvI/AAAAAAAAAc0/0pqLgfd_Uik/s640/IMG_2833.JPG
I recommend manually setting the brightness on your Droid. Personally, I prefer the screen very bright. Let your eyes adjust to the Droid, and if you still want overly saturated/fake/inaccurate OLED colors, then please sell your Droid 2 to me
ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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This picture indicates just how bad the ZTE screen is. That background on the right isn't even remotely close to being white like it is supposed to be.
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dont mind thoses pictures actually, using that camera wasnt the best idea, it white when looking at it, no red/pink in it
i think your talking about a different phone anyway, i had a quick look around display mate and couldnt find anything about the droid 2. they have stuff on the droid 1 but nothing on the droid 2. prolly a similar screen but might not be the same
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Also, your eyes are clearly accustomed to "gaudy" and inaccurate colors from OLED, whereas the Droid's display is very accurate.
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yea at first i was thinking that my eyes were just accustomed to "gaudy" colours as you said but if thats true then it means that every screen ive looked at in the last few years has been incorrect.
i just put my xperia x1 and touch pro on ebay and realised that they look "normal", i put some photos on them to look at and both of those seem to be roughly the same as the zte blade, not as saturated as the ZTE blade colours ill give you that, but similar enough, and i have two monitors on my computer here and the photos have exactly the same "normal" colours, but then looking at the same photos on the Milestone 2 they look fairly washed out, even with the brightness at 100% there is a big difference.
i change the brightness settings all the time though but in the photo they were both at the same brightness so it shouldnt matter what % it was just to comapre them
anyway im definitely not imagining it, ive been doing photography and graphic design for a good few years now so my eyes are able to tell small differences between colour at this stage (i wouldnt be much of a photographer/designer if i couldnt) and its more than a small difference, enough that id bother posting a thread here to see if anybody else is noticing it!
well, ive come to the conclusion the screen on my milestone 2 it a lemon... or maybe motorola is the lemon. one of those two, or both lol
i wont be selling it anytime soon though unfortunately sorry im enjoying this phone way to much, the issue doesnt really bother me enough to do something crazy like that..
i just thought it was strange to see it on a 450 phone thats all
mine sometimes as problems, but not that bad :/
dude i really dont think your phone or the screen is the problem, i think its your eyes, just look at the picture of that Rovio screen! the left one is white, the right one is PINK! obviously the m2 has a much more accurate screen.
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ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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i totally agree about the sharpness and the clearness and the vibrantness of the screen, great detail in it. and i just realised all the colours are really vibrant apart from light blue and red, everthing else seem to be normal. the light blue looks the palest, and then the reds arent as bad but definitely still some difference compared to my computer monitors and other phone screens ive been comparing to.
ah not to worry anyway, i was just curious whether it was a problem everybody was having or if it was just my screen, i wont lose any sleep over it
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dude i really dont think your phone or the screen is the problem, i think its your eyes, just look at the picture of that Rovio screen! the left one is white, the right one is PINK! obviously the m2 has a much more accurate screen.
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yea i didnt really notice that when i was uploading the photo, i just explained that in a post a few seconds ago. it must be just the camera im using, both of them are the same whiteness when looking at them, i was just trying to show the difference in the red colour. the zte blade was at an angle too so i dont know where the pink came from, i just looked at angry birds again on that phone,and at an angle and its still white, stupid camera lol
Savage, I think you might have a bad screen. Can you compare it to another Global or exchange it? The Droid 1, 2, R2D2, and Global all have the same IPS panel as reviewed by DisplayMate, which thinks it is the most color accurate on phones. The Droid does use dynamic contrast, so its colors are sometimes deeper than at other times. I notice this especially when changing wallpaper. Some look absolutely stunning (almost as good as my IPS hdtv), but others are washed out. This is part of the dynamic contrast kicking in and Android's limited 16 bit gallery. I despise dynamic contrast and always turn in off on all my monitors. Unfortunately, I dont know how to disable it on the Droid
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Yeah, I have the d2g, which I believe has the same screen as the m2, and I absolutely love the screen. The colors are very accurate and sharp, I used to have the captivate and I never liked how innacurate the colors were, whites never looked white, they looked grayish, and every other color had a bluish tint to them
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anothadave said:
ive had my milestone 2 a month and when i look at it i still think how awesome the screen is, really sharp and clear, colours are vibrant, and ive had to turn the brightness down to almost the lowest it will go because its so bright! lol.
but as with most things peoples perception varies, what looks or sounds great to one person might look or sound horrible to another..
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Same here, my brightness is always almost all the way down except in sunlight where I turn on auto brightness.
Great Display.
I have a lot of phones with different displays including an Xperia with the Bravia engine which I returned for my MS2 and I would have to say that this is one of the nicest displays out there.
By that i mean like, well i am coming from an S5 and the Screen and Picture/Display/Color quality of the S5 looked better in my eyes ...
the full hd of the S5 looked way better than the QHD of the N4 that i have now, and no its not fake it isnt damaged etc.
what bothers me about the N4 screen is how sharp it is, kind of harsh on my eyes to read text off it and not looking like HD..?
has yellow tones on whites.. so i use an app to add blue tint to whiten it abit.. hm..
my main issue is the screen not looking HD enough for me .. is it my eyes that play with me ?
do i need a week or two until i get used to the screen and will that make the screen look more HD for me .. i wonder -_- .
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By that i mean like, well i am coming from an S5 and the Screen and Picture/Display/Color quality of the S5 looked better in my eyes ...
the full hd of the S5 looked way better than the QHD of the N4 that i have now, and no its not fake it isnt damaged etc.
what bothers me about the N4 screen is how sharp it is, kind of harsh on my eyes to read text off it and not looking like HD..?
has yellow tones on whites.. so i use an app to add blue tint to whiten it abit.. hm..
my main issue is the screen not looking HD enough for me .. is it my eyes that play with me ?
do i need a week or two until i get used to the screen and will that make the screen look more HD for me .. i wonder -_- .
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Note 4 had the best display in 2014 and still is one of the best in the market, I don't know how you are noticing otherwise. I had a Galaxy S5 Prime (QHD display) and I prefer the larger display of the Note 4.
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Note 4 had the best display in 2014 and still is one of the best in the market, I don't know how you are noticing otherwise. I had a Galaxy S5 Prime (QHD display) and I prefer the larger display of the Note 4.
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i really think that, i have to get used to the 5.7" .. this phone is a friggin beast, the best phone the fastest phone i have had...
my only one issue is the picture quality density color etc. i need to get used to the QHD of it i believe.. mmh.
and the camera is exceptional, i will try getting used to the huge screen, thanks for the feedback bro ! i think its just my eyes that need to adapt to the screen XD .
Well i kinda had the same experience, i came from a note 3 and noticed a diffrence in how the image was displayed on the screen, things seemed harder to see, not that things were smaller but just harder to see.
in my case i have sensitive eyes and the PWM effect on this screen is what i saw.
N4 has much more agressive PWM so the screen flickers more to conserve power.
In theory you should not be able to see it as it flickers at a rate of 240Hz i believe but still i see it, so in fact you have lesser information reaching your eyes as a solid picture.
After using the device for almost a year now i got used to it, i still see it but it does not bother me that much anymore.
hello, 2 days ago i bought a refurbished gs5, right out of the box i felt like there's something wrong with it..
when im looking at the screen (especially on a white background) i can see its yellow-greenish. when i tilt the phone forward and backwards (taking the bottom part of the phone closer to me/further away from me)
the colors are perfect, like my brother's lg g3. what is the deal? is the screen defective? is it normal for this type of screen? the s5's screen is brighter than the lg g3, just for the record.
when i watch youtube videos, everything is greenish, when i tilt it a little bit, it looks almost as good as my dell ultrasharp monitor.
thanks in advance..
No, it is not normal. I might as well return it and get another one. I bought a SH unit and it came with minor burn-in, but that's not as bad as the yellow-greenish tint you're mentioning. Does it happen in download mode too? Or in recovery, if it's rooted with custom recovery. If yes, time to swap it for another refurbished. If not, we'll see.
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No, it is not normal. I might as well return it and get another one. I bought a SH unit and it came with minor burn-in, but that's not as bad as the yellow-greenish tint you're mentioning. Does it happen in download mode too? Or in recovery, if it's rooted with custom recovery. If yes, time to swap it for another refurbished. If not, we'll see.
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thank you for your reply!
the rom is stock. after using the phone a bit, i feel this tint is just normal. its not VERY yellow, but when im watching vids faces look a bit greenish. its not critical, but not very accurate. still, when the screen is dimmed, it has a lot more contrast and looks much better than the washed out lg g3's screen (when its dimmed).
look, it might be just the way the screen looks. compared to the lg g3, is has a lot more contrast, but when im looking at images, the lg looks identical to my dell monitor (im a photographer so its very important to me), are you sure the galaxy is supposed to be accurate? are the white supposed to look as the lg? on the g3 the whites are a bit red, on the galaxy they're a bit yellow-greenish, but when i look at photos i took, the galaxy looks too warm. when i tilt it a bit, the whites turn a bit blueish, but its still better and more accurate than the yellow it normally is. are you completely sure it isnt the general look of this particular screen?
just for the record, its still yellowish in download mode
sorry for the long comment, im just trying to figure out what to do.,
AMOLED is over-saturated because Samsung is Samsung. Check a custom kernel which will be able to let you tweak the colours. I recommend Boeffla Kernel, because it lets you modify: R G B value, saturation, Hue, Display value and Contrast. Play around with all of those settings if you want to fix it using software.
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AMOLED is over-saturated because Samsung is Samsung. Check a custom kernel which will be able to let you tweak the colours. I recommend Boeffla Kernel, because it lets you modify: R G B value, saturation, Hue, Display value and Contrast. Play around with all of those settings if you want to fix it using software.
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thank you my friend. just for clarification, when you view a white background at "cinema" mode (which is the most color accurate) are the whites yellowish? when viewing in "Standard" mode, the whites are pretty good, but colors are SO SATURATED. and again, thank you my friend!
To my eye, the colours look washed-out, but that is because I am used to the oversaturation of the AMOLED. And yes, the white is yellow-ish.
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To my eye, the colours look washed-out, but that is because I am used to the oversaturation of the AMOLED. And yes, the white is yellow-ish.
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just tell me if this is normal. the phone above is lg g3, gs5 below..
http://i.imgur.com/WdTdYWp.jpg
i cant seem to get the image to show here, i hope you dont mind. if you do, ill try in a different site.
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just tell me if this is normal. the phone above is lg g3, gs5 below..
http://i.imgur.com/WdTdYWp.jpg
i cant seem to get the image to show here, i hope you dont mind. if you do, ill try in a different site.
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How can I put it, uh, the S5 seems to be fine. The G3 is more vibrant, to be honest, but there is nothing wrong with the S5 in my opinion. Again, this is through my eyes, which are very different (and slanted), because 1/2 Jap, the colours on the AMOLED are better than on the LCD. Do you have both phones at the same brightness, and the colours are set nearly the same? Because that can sometimes make the difference. Send me that image, i'll load it on my Galaxy S5 and take a picture to show you how my screen fares.
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How can I put it, uh, the S5 seems to be fine. The G3 is more vibrant, to be honest, but there is nothing wrong with the S5 in my opinion. Again, this is through my eyes, which are very different (and slanted), because 1/2 Jap, the colours on the AMOLED are better than on the LCD. Do you have both phones at the same brightness, and the colours are set nearly the same? Because that can sometimes make the difference. Send me that image, i'll load it on my Galaxy S5 and take a picture to show you how my screen fares.
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the gs5 colors arent better, they're too warm :\.. in the photo the colors arent accurate, because the screens are too bright, but the lg g3 is identical to my dell monitor, the galaxy s5 is very warm and causes images to look almost orange. i shot the image of the gs5 and the lg g3 with my dslr, so it will look different than if you shot your gs5 with a phone camera. anyway, look at the image, tell me what you see at "standard" mode, tell me if the colors of the image look warm, and if looking at a bit of an angle changes the warmth of the colors to be colder (and much more accurate). thank you mate for the help.
for the record, the lg g3 look less greenish in real life, and the gs5 looks a tiny bit less warm. the photo (of the 2 phones) isnt accurate, but its close.
http://i.imgur.com/rKso7q3.jpg
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the gs5 colors arent better, they're too warm :\.. in the photo the colors arent accurate, because the screens are too bright, but the lg g3 is identical to my dell monitor, the galaxy s5 is very warm and causes images to look almost orange. i shot the image of the gs5 and the lg g3 with my dslr, so it will look different than if you shot your gs5 with a phone camera. anyway, look at the image, tell me what you see at "standard" mode, tell me if the colors of the image look warm, and if looking at a bit of an angle changes the warmth of the colors to be colder (and much more accurate). thank you mate for the help.
for the record, the lg g3 look less greenish in real life, and the gs5 looks a tiny bit less warm. the photo (of the 2 phones) isnt accurate, but its close.
http://i.imgur.com/rKso7q3.jpg
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I see what you did there. I loaded the image on my S5 and, to sum it up, at least on my phone, with my eyes, comparing it with my 17" Samsung Syncmaster monitor, the colours on my screen look the same as in the G3 in your picture. I have my screen on Adapt Display. And in cinema mode, the colours are ~1:1 when putting my S5 next to your G3 in the picture, so yeah, your S5's screen is miscalibrated i suppose.
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I see what you did there. I loaded the image on my S5 and, to sum it up, at least on my phone, with my eyes, comparing it with my 17" Samsung Syncmaster monitor, the colours on my screen look the same as in the G3 in your picture. I have my screen on Adapt Display. And in cinema mode, the colours are ~1:1 when putting my S5 next to your G3 in the picture, so yeah, your S5's screen is miscalibrated i suppose.
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thank you so much my friend. ill go to the store and get a replacement. cheers!
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thank you so much my friend. ill go to the store and get a replacement. cheers!
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If the replacement also has these problems, just quote me back. Or just quote me back and keep me updated. When I will go to one of friends' place, where they have really professional monitors, i might as well compare the colours.
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If the replacement also has these problems, just quote me back. Or just quote me back and keep me updated. When I will go to one of friends' place, where they have really professional monitors, i might as well compare the colours.
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ok i will, and just for the record, when you tilt your phone a bit, do the colors get colder ? or is it the same as when you look straight at it?
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ok i will, and just for the record, when you tilt your phone a bit, do the colors get colder ? or is it the same as when you look straight at it?
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
西村大一 said:
same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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thank you. now i know for sure my screen is bad
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same as looking head-on. My particular AMOLED screen has some nice viewing angles, no colour distortion below 80 degrees of tilt. Then it starts to turn green.
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look at this mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVrm73sAnUs
im experiencing the same thing. when tilting like that the screen gets colder, just like in the video. are you completely sure its not normal? i feel like its just the way the screen is. but if you're telling me it doesnt look like in the video, im returning it.
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look at this mate
im experiencing the same thing. when tilting like that the screen gets colder, just like in the video. are you completely sure its not normal? i feel like its just the way the screen is. but if you're telling me it doesnt look like in the video, im returning it.
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Now with an actual example, i can confirm to you that on the white google background the screen gets colder when you tilt it like in the video. And it also has some green tinting on the bottom. Again, our eyes are different, and this is my retina, my phone and my brain.
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Now with an actual example, i can confirm to you that on the white google background the screen gets colder when you tilt it like in the video. And it also has some green tinting on the bottom. Again, our eyes are different, and this is my retina, my phone and my brain.
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true.. one last thing, i have stock 6.0.1, when i change the display mode to "cinema" from "standard", the colors are accurate, but the whites are yellowish, when i change it to "standard", the whites are white, but the colors are over saturated and unrealistic. do you experience the same thing?
when i change to "dynamic", colors and whites on the internet, photos, video and such, look amazing and almost identical to my dell, but in games it looks just like standard mode, over saturated and too bright. im frustrated!
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true.. one last thing, i have stock 6.0.1, when i change the display mode to "cinema" from "standard", the colors are accurate, but the whites are yellowish, when i change it to "standard", the whites are white, but the colors are over saturated and unrealistic. do you experience the same thing?
when i change to "dynamic", colors and whites on the internet, photos, video and such, look amazing and almost identical to my dell, but in games it looks just like standard mode, over saturated and too bright. im frustrated!
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In dynamic, it changes according to what android thinks its on screen, or rather said, what colour profiles Samsung defined for games, internet, pictures, movies and so on. Unfortunately, with the properties of OLED, cinema mode tends to have rubbish whites. That's because the panel is OLED and your DELL is LCD, no matter if its TN, VA or IPS. The difference in technology is the base of your "issue". I keep my S5 on Adapt Display and forget about colour accuracy because AMOLEDs are natively over-saturated.
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In dynamic, it changes according to what android thinks its on screen, or rather said, what colour profiles Samsung defined for games, internet, pictures, movies and so on. Unfortunately, with the properties of OLED, cinema mode tends to have rubbish whites. That's because the panel is OLED and your DELL is LCD, no matter if its TN, VA or IPS. The difference in technology is the base of your "issue". I keep my S5 on Adapt Display and forget about colour accuracy because AMOLEDs are natively over-saturated.
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yeah then i think my gs5 is perfectly "normal" lol. ill just keep it at adaptive, its the most accurate for photos. by the way, my friend's gs6 looks a lot better. in cinema mode the whites are actually white, and the colors are better than the s5. i guess samsung improved it over the s5. i only paid 220$ for the phone (its considered cheap in my country, prices are horrible here) and i have a one year warranty. ill just keep it, its better than the lg g3 in sunlight, and when i dim the galaxy to 40%, its brighter and nicer to look at than the lg g3 at 60%. weird. well, thank you for the help, i guess im done here haha