Does the new root method mean new unlocked bootloader methods? or is the bootloader itself the problem and not root?
Thank you for your patience and answering me.
toxict33n said:
Does the new root method mean new unlocked bootloader methods? or is the bootloader itself the problem and not root?
Thank you for your patience and answering me.
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Root only. Boot lock is another, much,much tougher, animal.
toxict33n said:
Does the new root method mean new unlocked bootloader methods? or is the bootloader itself the problem and not root?
Thank you for your patience and answering me.
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Like Avi said, two totally different things. There was an update in May and it also blocked root and the unlock method. They were able to gain root again, but the BL is much more involved.
http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
Cool thanks. What can I do with root on 9.18.94 with a locked boot loader?
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toxict33n said:
Cool thanks. What can I do with root on 9.18.94 with a locked boot loader?
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You can install SafeStrap and install another stock ROM on slot 1. Then, you can use Xposed to add all kinds of customization and you can flash a mod that allows init.d to allow you install init.d tweaks. Doing all of this on your safe slot will keep you from messing up your stock slot. If you get everything set up in slot 1 and it runs well, there is a way to restore it on your stock side, but I won't go into that now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45541404&postcount=2
toxict33n said:
Cool thanks. What can I do with root on 9.18.94 with a locked boot loader?
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Good summary Rik...
Yea here are 3 methods about ss. The 1st is normal ss use.
2nd shows the stock slot replacement, once you know all works. 3rd - user who 1st posted the steps
I followed your instructions for installing safestrap but my phone isn't allowing me to create a ROM slot. On any of the slots its just greyed out.
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toxict33n said:
I followed your instructions for installing safestrap but my phone isn't allowing me to create a ROM slot. On any of the slots its just greyed out.
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It is there! I remember facing the same blank moment. I have not used it in a long time...
toxict33n said:
I followed your instructions for installing safestrap but my phone isn't allowing me to create a ROM slot. On any of the slots its just greyed out.
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Maybe you don't have enough space on your internal memory. When you go to create a rom slot, check how much space is required and how much is available
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For the life of me I thought you could only install stock modified Roms until the boot loader was unlocked then you could install custom roms. But I see people installing custom Roms and the bootloader is still locked or am I missing something. Confused
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gentlemandroid17 said:
For the life of me I thought you could only install stock modified Roms until the boot loader was unlocked then you could install custom roms. But I see people installing custom Roms and the bootloader is still locked or am I missing something. Confused
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It's the Loki that allows it.
Oaklands said:
It's the Loki that allows it.
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Pardon the stupid question but What is loki
Nvm. Found the answer.
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gentlemandroid17 said:
Pardon the stupid question but What is loki
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Loki is what is used to help you root and basically let you bypass the boot loader so you can install the custom ROMS. It is probably a bit more technical than that but that is what it does in simple terms. You use this until the bootloader is actually unlocked.
I'm sure someone can chime in and give you a more technical answer. Research it.
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Loki is what is used to help you root and basically let you bypass the boot loader so you can install the custom ROMS. It is probably a bit more technical than that but that is what it does in simple terms. You use this until the bootloader is actually unlocked.
I'm sure someone can chime in and give you a more technical answer. Research it.
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From what I have read it only works on att, Verizon and Korean version. Guess I'm s*** outta luck.
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Are you on TMo? Be patient. It will probably come. It is still early in the game.
I'm looking to flash custom Recovery's and what not. I just got the phone 5/2/14. The SGH-I337 on AT&T. Got the phone with 4.4.2 kk. Updated when update was available. Wanted to know if I could use Odin to flash things like any other Samsung phone.
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You can not flash a custom recovery. The bootloader is locked. If you want to flash custom roms look in the general forum. Look for " index all things mk2 nb1"
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OK can you unlock the boot loader at all?
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OK can you unlock the boot loader at all?
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OK and I was looking through the forums and searching through them and found nothing for root or recovery of nc1.
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iTzz_KAMIKAZE said:
OK and I was looking through the forums and searching through them and found nothing for root or recovery of nc1.
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Start here and read it all about 6 times. Rooting and putting a rom on the i337 with mk2 or nb1 is not for the faint of heart. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49562527
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jd1639 said:
Start here and read it all about 6 times. Rooting and putting a rom on the i337 with mk2 or nb1 is not for the faint of heart. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49562527
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Edit, follow the same steps for nc1 as nb1
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OK wjatvandroid version is nb1?
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OK wjatvandroid version is nb1?
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It's 4.4.2. Mk2, nb1, and nc1 are just some att revisions of 4.4.2
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*What version
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I'm on the same situation, just got my phone from AT&T (SGH-i337) with 4.4.2, now on baseband NC1, I would like to root the phone and it seems the only way is downgrading to NB1 and then downgrade again to MK2.
But I'm not so sure if it's safe to flash the roms having a SIM lock on my phone, is it necessary to unlock it before trying to flash?
Another noob question, a locked bootloader means I can't get CWM, but can I still install custom roms installable through Odin?
Sorry, No custom ROM's for locked bootloaders.
gtluis said:
I'm on the same situation, just got my phone from AT&T (SGH-i337) with 4.4.2, now on baseband NC1, I would like to root the phone and it seems the only way is downgrading to NB1 and then downgrade again to MK2.
But I'm not so sure if it's safe to flash the roms having a SIM lock on my phone, is it necessary to unlock it before trying to flash?
Another noob question, a locked bootloader means I can't get CWM, but can I still install custom roms installable through Odin?
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Nope. The only way to get a custom ROM would be to use safestrap.
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Nope. The only way to get a custom ROM would be to use safestrap.
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What about the SIM lock? Do I need to get my phone SIM unlocked before flashing a stock ROM?
gtluis said:
What about the SIM lock? Do I need to get my phone SIM unlocked before flashing a stock ROM?
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I would sim unlock before flashing a custom rom, a stock rom, flashed via odin is fine
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It shouldn't matter
gtluis said:
What about the SIM lock? Do I need to get my phone SIM unlocked before flashing a stock ROM?
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Sim Locking only restricts your phone to a particular carrier, it wouldn't interfere with a custom rom, as long as said rom was built for your carrier.
rgrbckr said:
Sim Locking only restricts your phone to a particular carrier, it wouldn't interfere with a custom rom, as long as said rom was built for your carrier.
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So that means I can use any SGH-i337 specif roms but not the i9505 ones, right?
sort of
gtluis said:
So that means I can use any SGH-i337 specif roms but not the i9505 ones, right?
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It needs be compatible with your carrier and safestrap too Check out the saestrap posts, they'll give you a full run down.
Wasn't sure if any of you knew about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783157
Basically you can now root the S5 and NOT trip knox.
Really it seems to be most phones that are 4.2.2 work.
This doesn't get you a boot loader etc. but gives root at least for those wanting to not risk warranty and get the bloat off.
bryanu said:
Wasn't sure if any of you knew about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783157
Basically you can now root the S5 and NOT trip knox.
Really it seems to be most phones that are 4.2.2 work.
This doesn't get you a boot loader etc. but gives root at least for those wanting to not risk warranty and get the bloat off.
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Works great. No issues for me.
Eassiest root ever!
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Already a post on here with this information http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785065 . Mods should shut this one down to lessen confusion.
mmark27 said:
Already a post on here with this information http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785065 . Mods should shut this one down to lessen confusion.
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Woops, didn't catch that when I looked this AM, it wasn't in this section of the forum though.
Sorry about that :/
That one is closed too though FWIW and when it was closed it was just moved here.
After the simplest root ever, how does one go about a custom recovery? Do we still have to odin that or is it flashable?
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BubZX said:
After the simplest root ever, how does one go about a custom recovery? Do we still have to odin that or is it flashable?
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If you do custom recovery you will trip knox making this method for you to root having been useless and you should have used one of the other options that does it all at once hah.
Can you use this root method and get the hotspot mod working without a custom recovery?
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I've been wondering that exact same thing! And also if we can root NE5 with it!
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In regards to flashing hotspot mods etc. Without a custom recovery.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2583199
I found this forum while looking for an answer, does anyone have any input if this method will work for the s5??
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fgcchevy said:
Can you use this root method and get the hotspot mod working without a custom recovery?
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This:
crawrj said:
You can but you need to be aware that you can get stuck in a boot loop. But if you are willing to take the risk.
Download the Odex version that matches your system, this is critical. Extract the services.jar and services.odex files. Use a root explorer to copy them to /system/framework. Change permissions to rw-r-r. Reboot and it will either work or not.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2727127&page=9
Awesome. I just got my S5 today and I knew that 4.4.2 Ota wasn't rootable yet. Thank to everyone who pits effort into making our devices OURS and not our carriers. ??
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Hello xda community.
i just purchased a galaxy s4 from a friend he he updated it to kitkat 4.4.2. i rooted itbut im having an issue installing a custom recovery. i tried the cmd method, the twrp apps on the market but although it says succesfull when i try to reboot into recovery it goes onto download mode. Someone please help me. i know samsung has a security system for the boatloader and i dont care tripping the securty system because im not with at&t nor on contract.
please help me i want to flash cm11 so bad.
androidfine16 said:
Hello xda community.
i just purchased a galaxy s4 from a friend he he updated it to kitkat 4.4.2. i rooted itbut im having an issue installing a custom recovery. i tried the cmd method, the twrp apps on the market but although it says succesfull when i try to reboot into recovery it goes onto download mode. Someone please help me. i know samsung has a security system for the boatloader and i dont care tripping the securty system because im not with at&t nor on contract.
please help me i want to flash cm11 so bad.
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Try this one. It's what I use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427125
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Try this one. It's what I use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427125
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I've seen that but I heard/read if you mess up that's it for your phone. Plus toy never truly have a Susie stable recovery. Seems like a lot of risk
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androidfine16 said:
I've seen that but I heard/read if you mess up that's it for your phone. Plus toy never truly have a Susie stable recovery. Seems like a lot of risk
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I can't say I have ever heard of anyone messing up the installation process before. It's load the apk to your SD card, install it to your phone and then tapping the install button once you open it. That's it.
As long as your root method installs busybox and your SU app disables Knox, you should be fine.
androidfine16 said:
Hello xda community.
i just purchased a galaxy s4 from a friend he he updated it to kitkat 4.4.2. i rooted itbut im having an issue installing a custom recovery. i tried the cmd method, the twrp apps on the market but although it says succesfull when i try to reboot into recovery it goes onto download mode. Someone please help me. i know samsung has a security system for the boatloader and i dont care tripping the securty system because im not with at&t nor on contract.
please help me i want to flash cm11 so bad.
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Trying to load a custom recovery on a locked bootloader could mess up your phone. Safestrap was made for our phones. Read up a bit you'll see we can't do normal custom recoveries and we can't flash normal roms cause we're locked. Only thing we can do is root and safe strap. I'll suggest odin nb1 update to nc1 root. The reason I say odin to nb1 is because right now you don't have a recovery at all due to you trying to install cwm or twrp.
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I can't say I have ever heard of anyone messing up the installation process before. It's load the apk to your SD card, install it to your phone and then tapping the install button once you open it. That's it.
As long as your root method installs busybox and your SU app disables Knox, you should be fine.
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So I'll be able to install cm 11. Without any complications?
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I don't have a current recovery. Your right about that . How do I fix it
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androidfine16 said:
So I'll be able to install cm 11. Without any complications?
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Do you have an AT&T S4? If so then no. It will not load if you try. Until someone figures how to crack the locked bootloader, we are stuck with ROMs that use stock Samsung (you'll also hear them referred to as TouchWiz or TW) kernels. I believe CM uses their own custom one.
I am able to use the Google Edition one because a user modified it to work on aTouchWiz kernel, and even then things like USB file transfer does not work.
I do not believe anyone has done the same for CM.
androidfine16 said:
I don't have a current recovery. Your right about that . How do I fix it
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You need to odin nb1 (flash back to stock) this will put your recovery back.
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Do you have an AT&T S4? If so then no. It will not load if you try. Until someone figures how to crack the locked bootloader, we are stuck with ROMs that use stock Samsung (you'll also hear them referred to as TouchWiz or TW) kernels. I believe CM uses their own custom one.
I am able to use the Google Edition one because a user modified it to work on aTouchWiz kernel, and even then things like USB file transfer does not work.
I do not believe anyone has done the same for CM.
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Yes I have the at& t s4. And that sucks I was really looking forward to flashing cm 11s. I don't care for the knox being ticked off being that I'm on no contract. Do you think I can use Odin or something to revert back to 4.2 safely without bricking the device. I hate touch wiz. And the battery drains quickly plus the phone gets hot when used for a while
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drock212 said:
You need to odin nb1 (flash back to stock) this will put your recovery back.
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Won't this look the bootloader cause I read downgrades are practically unsafe on this device. If not than I'd much rather go back to 4.2 so I can load a custom recovery being that u don't mind tripping knox. So long that it doesn't Brick or render the phone use less
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androidfine16 said:
Won't this lock the bootloader cause I read downgrades are practically unsafe on this device. If not than I'd much rather go back to 4.2 so I can load a custom recovery being that u don't mind tripping knox. So long that it doesn't Brick or render the phone use less
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androidfine16 said:
Won't this look the bootloader cause I read downgrades are practically unsafe on this device. If not than I'd much rather go back to 4.2 so I can load a custom recovery being that u don't mind tripping knox. So long that it doesn't Brick or render the phone use less
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Odining back to NB1 will not trip Knox. Also, I believe downgrading to 4.2 will not touch your bootloader, if it were that easy we'd all be rocking CM.
You could run this ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2767026
Its technically not a TW ROM, but it has its quirks. It was never intended to work on locked bootloader phones, but it has been retrofitted on to them.
Wrote this if you would like a guide on how I got 4.4.4 version up and running, it's kind of tricky.
androidfine16 said:
Won't this look the bootloader cause I read downgrades are practically unsafe on this device. If not than I'd much rather go back to 4.2 so I can load a custom recovery being that u don't mind tripping knox. So long that it doesn't Brick or render the phone use less
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Nb1 and nc1 are the same. Nb1 is just a small update over nb1, there isn't even a tar file for nc1 because it's such a small update. You won't be able to odin back to anything prior to nb1 unfortunately without bricking. Now I do understand the hatred of touchwiz but once you're rooted you're able to delete a lot of the garbage bloatware put on by Samsung and AT&T. This makes the phone so much better along with super long battery life. I've been able to get 4.5 hours of on screen time and about 16 - 17 hours of off the plug time like this.
When deleting bloat you can easily Google and find lists of what people have deleted off their phones using titanium backup (amazing app, let's your freeze or delete what you don't want). Also one thing I found out which is dumb. Deleting Samsung hub breaks auto rotation (what one has to do with the other I'll never know) but you can download the file needed to fix that here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51260826
I've had my touchwized sgs4 for about 3 weeks now and can say I'm not as upset with it as I thought I would be. Let me know if you have any questions about certain things. I've found a lot of workarounds and little edits here and there to get my phone a lot closer to how I want it.
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Are there people working in unlocking our bootloader because this thing is really annoying .
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Ps: No one answered my question. If I don't care for tripping the bootloader being that I'm on no contract. Is their a way to trip the flash counter and get on a recovery? I don't care for Samsung security knox or their bootloader security.
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androidfine16 said:
Ps: No one answered my question. If I don't care for tripping the bootloader being that I'm on no contract. Is their a way to trip the flash counter and get on a recovery? I don't care for Samsung security knox or their bootloader security.
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Nope. Bootloader and knox are completely different. Knox will just give annoying messages once tripped. Bootloader without unlock we're pretty much dead in the water. There has been some talk about ways to possibly unlock the bootloader so it's definitely being worked on. I've also read that the black hat even (hackers convention) might have something promising. Also anything that is done on the s5 could very well apply to the s4. It's all just a matter of time
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Nope. Bootloader and knox are completely different. Knox will just give annoying messages once tripped. Bootloader without unlock we're pretty much dead in the water. There has been some talk about ways to possibly unlock the bootloader so it's definitely being worked on. I've also read that the black hat even (hackers convention) might have something promising. Also anything that is done on the s5 could very well apply to the s4. It's all just a matter of time
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Sounds great that the s5 and s4 integrate . Also there's a bunch of stuff online which shows how to disable certain aspects of the bootloader using linux (Ubuntu) . Do you think that'll work. It's a huge risk.
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androidfine16 said:
Sounds great that the s5 and s4 integrate . Also there's a bunch of stuff online which shows how to disable certain aspects of the bootloader using linux (Ubuntu) . Do you think that'll work. It's a huge risk.
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If it hasn't been done to give us anything I wouldn't do it. Only thing we have right now is safestrap. Which is similar to a dual boot
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If it hasn't been done to give us anything I wouldn't do it. Only thing we have right now is safestrap. Which is similar to a dual boot
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Similar to dual boot but can't load any rom you want on it
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So this is not my first rooted device but it is my first time rooting my Razr M since it got upgraded to Kit Kat. It is also my first time installing Xposed so some help would be appreciated.
Yes is safe to install xposed... here is a nice collection of modules ... Be sure to unlock your boot loader before the next ota is pushed as when the next ota comes we may not be lucky enough to find a root method...
ezknives said:
Yes is safe to install xposed... But be sure to unlock your boot loader before the next ota is pushed as when the next ota comes we may not be lucky enough to find a root method...
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Is unlocking the bootloader necessary if i don't plan on installing any custom roms? If i needed to return to stock i could just use RSD right?
notdeadyet01 said:
Is unlocking the bootloader necessary if i don't plan on installing any custom roms? If i needed to return to stock i could just use RSD right?
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When the next ota update comes you will lose root and if there isn't a root exploit for that version with an unlocked BL you can always flash SuperSU via recovery and get root back... And yes rsd is an option to return to stock to accept the next ota
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ezknives said:
When the next ota update comes you will lose root and if there isn't a root exploit for that version with an unlocked BL you can always flash SuperSU via recovery and get root back... And yes rsd is an option to return to stock to accept the next ota
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Alright. Thanks for the help.
But just to make sure, unlocking the bootloader is not necessary for Xposed right?
Correct.... But is strongly recommend
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Correct.... But is strongly recommend
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Alright, i'm assuming that motochopper is still the best option to unlock the bootloader right?
Use the Motopocalypse app
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Use the Motopocalypse app
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Got it. Thanks for all the help!
notdeadyet01 said:
So this is not my first rooted device but it is my first time rooting my Razr M since it got upgraded to Kit Kat. It is also my first time installing Xposed so some help would be appreciated.
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good luck and enjoy. it's safe. i rooted and unloacked my razr m after the KK update, and installed xposed for the first time. its great - some of the modules make my life so much easier.