So It is time for me to jump boat to Wp8 devices.
But I am having a little bit of difficulty choosing between the lumia 820 and the samsung ativ S
The problem comes down to this...
The lumia 820 has better build quality, super sensitive touchscreen, LTE.
The samsung ativ S is superior to lumia in resolution, storage, and battery, also has jailbreak.
The samsung ativ S looks like poo in pictures.
So, users of both, which are your pleasant and unpleasant experiences with these phones?
The Samsung ATIV S is thinner, heavy month, a larger screen (4.8 inches against 4.3 inches for the Nokia Lumia 820), Super AMOLED "HD", 306 ppi against 217 ppi for the Nokia Lumia 820, 16 GB of ROM, 2300 mAh, Corning Gorilla Glass 2, DLNA.
All this to say that the Samsung ATIV S is better than the Nokia Lumia 820, in almost all areas.
The ATIV S has a substantially larger battery (and it's user-replaceable). There are several models of ATIV S; the SGH-T899M (sold in Canada, among other markets) supports LTE (on AWS band 4, same as T-Mobile US uses). Aesthetically I actually prefer the ATIV S; it's got a classy, business-like look that I find lacking in most Lumia phones (to get an idea what it actually looks like, consider a Galaxy S3 or even S4; the chassis - and, for the S3, hardware - is nearly identical). I don't know comparably how durable they are, but I've dropped my ATIV S several different ways, put enough pressure on the USB port to break the cable plugged into it, stored it in a pocket with keys, and so on; still looks almost brand new. The front-facing camera on the ATIV is better than almost any Lumia has (the 820 has a mere VGA camera vs. the 2 MPx of the ATIV S).
As for "jailbreaking", the ATIV S definitely has the advantage there. However, we arguably need more hackers poking at the Lumias. I didn't so much set out to break any WP8 device I could and stumble across the Samsung diag app first accidentally as I set out to break *my* WP8 device, and the first-way I found to do that was Samsung-specific. Not that I haven't looked into hacks for other devices, but I definitely haven't been looking as hard (while I spend time expanding and taking advantage of what I've got on Samsung already).
I had a Lumia 810...get the Samsung Ativ-S. I'm not a Samsung fan and miss some of the Nokia apps, but the Ativ has a bigger screen plus 16GB of internal storage, my 810 had 8GB.
Don't forget that installing apps from one OEM onto another's phone is mostly possible now. Some apps won't work, but the ratio is better than it was for WP7.
Really? I didn't know that and you've got a thanks coming!
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Yeah, it can be done using an HTTPS proxy. I mostly do it manually (using custom rules in Fiddler or Burp Suite) but some people have set up dedicated proxies.
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The ATIV S has a substantially larger battery (and it's user-replaceable). There are several models of ATIV S; the SGH-T899M (sold in Canada, among other markets) supports LTE (on AWS band 4, same as T-Mobile US uses). Aesthetically I actually prefer the ATIV S; it's got a classy, business-like look that I find lacking in most Lumia phones (to get an idea what it actually looks like, consider a Galaxy S3 or even S4; the chassis - and, for the S3, hardware - is nearly identical). I don't know comparably how durable they are, but I've dropped my ATIV S several different ways, put enough pressure on the USB port to break the cable plugged into it, stored it in a pocket with keys, and so on; still looks almost brand new. The front-facing camera on the ATIV is better than almost any Lumia has (the 820 has a mere VGA camera vs. the 2 MPx of the ATIV S).
As for "jailbreaking", the ATIV S definitely has the advantage there. However, we arguably need more hackers poking at the Lumias. I didn't so much set out to break any WP8 device I could and stumble across the Samsung diag app first accidentally as I set out to break *my* WP8 device, and the first-way I found to do that was Samsung-specific. Not that I haven't looked into hacks for other devices, but I definitely haven't been looking as hard (while I spend time expanding and taking advantage of what I've got on Samsung already).
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Thanks.
As for the jailbreak for lumia 820, I honestly lost hope. I don't think lumias will be jailbroken, now that Microsoft has control over them, they can easily fix the jailbreak as soon as we figure it out, since they have the biggest interest in this platform. And I am not that good with hacking... (I lack experience)
I can say vice versa. At least you can develop!
>Waiting to find something for the 928.......
Some pros for the Lumia 820:
- Nokia apps (officially supported)
- Nokia ROM extensions (e.g. Glance Screen)
- Nokia support
- AMOLED with good resolution (sufficient for screen size)
- high sensitive touch screen
- one hand input
- wireless charging
- user replacable battery
- microSD slot
- FM radio
- design (back cover is replacable, model for 3D printing has been released)
- good camera
Cons:
- no jailbreak (if you need it)
- battery is indeed small, but screen and resolution are also smaller than others (lower power consumption)
Regarding Gorilla Glas: A collegue of mine broke the screen of his ATIV S during some weeks...
I wouldn't call user-replaceable battery a "pro" when comparing it to another phone that also has that feature. Same for the microSD slot. Worst is the 480x800 at 4.3" which is, by the standard of modern smartphones, a *bad* DPI (certainly not a "good resolution"). It was considered "meh" three years ago when WP7 came out, and called out as one of the weaknesses of the platform. I'd say the DPI of the 820 - which is probably the second lowest (after the 625) of *any* WP8 devices - a solid "con" actually. As for "one hand input" I'm not sure what you mean by that... if you're referring to the screen size, that's just a matter of your hand size (I can easily operate my ATIV S one-handed). I have no information as to the relative quality of Nokia support vs. Samsung support; I can believe that it's better with Nokia but I'm not aware of any particular distinction. You also left out quite a few "Cons" such as the miserly internal storage (my ATIV S, even after doing things not possible without interop-unlock such as moving maps to the SD card, has nearly filled its 16GB storage).
A more realistic list:
Pros of the 820 (vs. the ATIV S):
- Official support for Nokia apps, including ones requiring ROM support.
- Nokia ROM extensions (such as Glance).
- High-sensitivity touchscreen.
- Wireless charging.
- FM radio.
- User-designable back cover.
- High-quality rear camera (but same resolution as Ativ S).
Cons:
- No interop-unlock (meaning no file system access, high privilege homebrew, registry changes such as Maps-to-SD-card, etc.).
- Low resolution, especially for screen size.
- Low internal storage.
- Small battery.
- Low-resolution (VGA) front camera.
- Thicker body (9.9mm vs. 8.7mm)
Both have:
- 8MPx rear camera.
- AMOLED screen.
- User-replaceable battery.
- MicroSDXC slot.
- Scratch-resistant screen.
GoodDayToDie said:
I wouldn't call user-replaceable battery a "pro" when comparing it to another phone that also has that feature.
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To be honest, this was the reason to start the list:
GoodDayToDie said:
The ATIV S has a substantially larger battery (and it's user-replaceable).
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But I agree with your list in general, if we can agree that some points are just user dependend:
- Smaller size beats higher resolution in my case, as it is the optimum for my hands (biggest screen size that fits into pocket and hands). Sometimes it is more comfortable to have a bigger screen, even if DPI are lower. Also for thickness, the device just fits! I don't want to discuss what the average hand size is, everybody has to decide for himself, I guess. If there will be a device with nearly same size, equal or better hardware and higher DPI (I hope so), this will be a solid con against this device, of course. However I am not watching myself counting pixels, so it is "just good".
- Low internal memory: This should definitely be pointed out as it limits the number of installable apps. But my 820 still has 3 GB left, thanks to moving maps to SD card (with Lumia storage check beta). Though I hope with WP 8.1 it will be possible to install apps to SD card.
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I wouldn't call user-replaceable battery a "pro" when comparing it to another phone that also has that feature. Same for the microSD slot. Worst is the 480x800 at 4.3" which is, by the standard of modern smartphones, a *bad* DPI (certainly not a "good resolution"). It was considered "meh" three years ago when WP7 came out, and called out as one of the weaknesses of the platform. I'd say the DPI of the 820 - which is probably the second lowest (after the 625) of *any* WP8 devices - a solid "con" actually. As for "one hand input" I'm not sure what you mean by that... if you're referring to the screen size, that's just a matter of your hand size (I can easily operate my ATIV S one-handed). I have no information as to the relative quality of Nokia support vs. Samsung support; I can believe that it's better with Nokia but I'm not aware of any particular distinction. You also left out quite a few "Cons" such as the miserly internal storage (my ATIV S, even after doing things not possible without interop-unlock such as moving maps to the SD card, has nearly filled its 16GB storage).
A more realistic list:
Pros of the 820 (vs. the ATIV S):
- Official support for Nokia apps, including ones requiring ROM support.
- Nokia ROM extensions (such as Glance).
- High-sensitivity touchscreen.
- Wireless charging.
- FM radio.
- User-designable back cover.
- High-quality rear camera (but same resolution as Ativ S).
Cons:
- No interop-unlock (meaning no file system access, high privilege homebrew, registry changes such as Maps-to-SD-card, etc.).
- Low resolution, especially for screen size.
- Low internal storage.
- Small battery.
- Low-resolution (VGA) front camera.
- Thicker body (9.9mm vs. 8.7mm)
Both have:
- 8MPx rear camera.
- AMOLED screen.
- User-replaceable battery.
- MicroSDXC slot.
- Scratch-resistant screen.
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How long does the battery on the ATIV last with "normal" usage?
My usage is probably on the heavy side of "normal", in that I sync six email accounts (several of them "as mail arrives"), two social networks (FB and LI integration), four messenger systems (Skype app, Skype/Live messenger integration, three IM networks on IM+, and FB chat integration), and so on. With that said, if I don't use the phone at all (that is, it sits on my desk or something, unplugged but the screen off and so on) it lasts for over three days, but the last day will be spent mostly in battery saver mode with all that synching turned off. Real-world usage (lots of texts and emails read and replied to, some hours of streaming music, a few minutes of gaming, possibly an hour or two of ebook reading, and the occasional quick check of location data), it tends to last from when I wake up in the morning to when I go to bed comfortably (although if I listen to music all day, or use navigation much, it'll fall into battery saver mode by the evening) so long as I charge it every night. Call it maybe 14-18 hours "typical" usage before it hits battery saver, then another 2-6 hours in battery saver if I persist on texting a lot or reading books / listening to music. That works out fine for me, but I wouldn't want a phone with much less battery life or I'd need to plug it in just to get through the work day.
Battery saver and not doing anything with the phone, it would last for around three weeks. That's not very useful, but it actually compares favorably to most of those "battery lasts forever" dumbphones, few of which can exceed two weeks of idle time
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My usage is probably on the heavy side of "normal", in that I sync six email accounts (several of them "as mail arrives"), two social networks (FB and LI integration), four messenger systems (Skype app, Skype/Live messenger integration, three IM networks on IM+, and FB chat integration), and so on. With that said, if I don't use the phone at all (that is, it sits on my desk or something, unplugged but the screen off and so on) it lasts for over three days, but the last day will be spent mostly in battery saver mode with all that synching turned off. Real-world usage (lots of texts and emails read and replied to, some hours of streaming music, a few minutes of gaming, possibly an hour or two of ebook reading, and the occasional quick check of location data), it tends to last from when I wake up in the morning to when I go to bed comfortably (although if I listen to music all day, or use navigation much, it'll fall into battery saver mode by the evening) so long as I charge it every night. Call it maybe 14-18 hours "typical" usage before it hits battery saver, then another 2-6 hours in battery saver if I persist on texting a lot or reading books / listening to music. That works out fine for me, but I wouldn't want a phone with much less battery life or I'd need to plug it in just to get through the work day.
Battery saver and not doing anything with the phone, it would last for around three weeks. That's not very useful, but it actually compares favorably to most of those "battery lasts forever" dumbphones, few of which can exceed two weeks of idle time
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[START RANT]Mine Ativ S' battery only lasts a day when I use it normally (checking emails, browsing on the web, watching YouTube with WIFI always on (except for when the screen is out), but the rest turned off), big battery drainers are live tiles and weather apps (which have live tiles and lockscreen background support). If you game it's only 2-6 hours depending on the CPU/GPU-intensity of the game. 2% battery drain overnight is normal but anything above that percentage (like 15% for example) is abnormal. There is one thing on Windows Phone I hate which on Android I loved the most : my Ativ S shuts itself down when it's around 4%, no warning and you can't turn on the phone anymore (displays empty red battery, doesn't boot) while my old Android phone (ZTE Skate) keeps on going until 1% and it displays a message when the battery is short to be completely flat. Imagine if you are being abducted and you have a WP on you which is almost flat like 4% battery left, you can't contact the authorities while on android you can even if it's a very short conversation[/END RANT]
Given the substantial damage you do to you battery capacity draining it that low, I'm OK with this. Having a "no seriously, emergency power NOW and <REDACTED> the consequences!" option would be nice, but running down to 1% is a bad idea (note: this assumes that both OSes report battery capacity the same way; your ZTE may simply report "empty" as the 3-5% capacity point at which permanent capacity loss starts to occur). Also, my phone definitely gives me a warning ("BATTERY LEVEL CRITICAL: Plug in phone now or it will turn off in a few minutes!" or some such thing) message. So did my WP7 device (HTC HD7). If yours doesn't, that's exceedingly weird. I forget it that message is at 10% or 7%; I rarely let it get that low.
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Given the substantial damage you do to you battery capacity draining it that low, I'm OK with this. Having a "no seriously, emergency power NOW and <REDACTED> the consequences!" option would be nice, but running down to 1% is a bad idea (note: this assumes that both OSes report battery capacity the same way; your ZTE may simply report "empty" as the 3-5% capacity point at which permanent capacity loss starts to occur). Also, my phone definitely gives me a warning ("BATTERY LEVEL CRITICAL: Plug in phone now or it will turn off in a few minutes!" or some such thing) message. So did my WP7 device (HTC HD7). If yours doesn't, that's exceedingly weird. I forget it that message is at 10% or 7%; I rarely let it get that low.
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Mine only gives a message between the 10% and 7% and inevitably shuts down at 3 à 4%, I agree with the 1% thing being a bad idea for normal tasks (because it can corrupt data if it shuts down while saving/writing) but for emergency tasks it's a life saver. My ZTE keeps on going on a reported 1% but you're right the voltage might differ (and be higher) from the 3 à 4 % from my Ativ S, although I think my Ativ S is not calibrated correctly.
does nokia beamer work for the ativ s? this could be very handy for me in the near future
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/nokia-beamer/b5511af6-cbd0-4945-9bf6-30cf0582043f
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I know I'm always on the lookout for the next best thing in mobile (and I do mean mobile) computing.
I'm sure "some" of you are of similar mind.
One day when walking around my favorite computer center I found this little thing http://raondigital.com/fnt_english/
It is truly a real UMPC. 4.8" LCD with up to 1024x576 resolution (native LCD res. 800x480).
The CPU, although slow in Mhz, is very responsive. I was surprised how well it ran when doing
all the usual "on the run" stuff, like emailing, messaging, web-surfing, some document editing
and watching/listening to media. The standard battery gives you 5 hours of good use, not the stated 7 hours.
What I liked most though is that it is a fully functioning mobile computer. You can install any OS on it except Apples OS'.
Dual booting worked well with WinXP Pro and Fedora Core 6. Some functions are unavailable under Linux though.
Another very nice thing was the built-in optical mouse. It worked as well as any other regular mouse.
The keyboard had good responsive keys and even though they are small it is accurate enough so
you can type fairly quick in landscape mode. In portrait mode the qwerty layout makes it awkward.
The screen auto-rotates! Just flip the device and the screen follows, and it follows quickly. There is no lag at all.
The big drawback though is that there is no SIM module built in, and the optional module is not available,
so it falls a bit short compared to the Athenas all in one design. The optional SIM (HSDPA) module will sell for
a hefty US$ 250 apparently.
The device is cheap though. Retail price was only US$ 900 with the top specs (the S60H), without the SSD.
If I didn't have the Athena, I would have bought this one in a heart beat.
Overall IMHO the Athena beats it, but only because it has the SIM part built in and that it is instant on
(the Everun takes ~25 seconds to turn on from hibernation).
I also had a closer look at the Everun and at the OQO Model 2
(http://www.oqo.com/intl/products/modele2/features.html).
It would be great to have a "real" operating system on a pocketable device,
but neither of the above mentionned has the functions of a modern mobile phone: GSM, Camera with Light and GPS.
The Athena i imho a great combination,
because it has all these functions you expect from a modern mobile/smartphone,
and it can still be used as mini-laptop because of the 5" Screen and the comparatively good CPU/RAM/HDD.
In fact there is so many software availabe for WM05/06, that
most of the jobs can be done using different software than on xp/vista/linux/bsd
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But you could still carry arroud two devices:
One small HSDPA capable smartphone and one of these really small UMPCs.
i think the HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware and its clearly better than any other competing product in the coming few months. i do however hate a few things about it:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration and bigger than integrated storage ) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
10- im not too big on the new standard micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB to micro-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
Only thing missing for me on the device is a decent camera. I don't mean HTC standard... I mean the best of Nokia, Samsung & Sony Ericsson. The original HD took terrible pictures and videos. I don't think there is much improvement in this area from previews and videos.
TV-Out would of been great but sadly missing.
I don't care about front camera because I hardly ever use video call.
It's probably more of a business centric device but with such a large screen it could have so easily been the ultimate work and pleasure phone.
I'm leaning towards the Nokia N900 (Linux) but still undecided.
Just some thoughts for your annoyances! (I currently own an Omnia too)
THE GRIZZ said:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
3G has been around for a while with a front video camera, but I can truly say that I don't know a single person that actually uses it. It's a gimmick IMO.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
I don't see the point either - bit silly if you ask me.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
I love the additional 8GB of the Omnia, but I guess they have to keep costs down somewhere. I have a 16GB micro SD, but when are 24/32 going to be available? Anyone know?
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
I think you can still use a stylus but you have to set it up to do so (I saw it in another post on here).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
There is no excuse for extra buttons down the side, although it makes it a bit more sleek I guess. But it's not like it doesn't take photos, it's just a useablitly thing.
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
This one I have no idea about. Maybe they have something clever up their sleeves?
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
Well lets look at the iPhone. It's a huge seller. The HD2 is only a couple of mm's wider and taller so I don't see anyone is going to see it as an issue when they put it in their hands.
10- im not too big on the micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
I totally disagree here. It's the new universal format. You won't have seen many yet because devices are JUST beginning to emerge with it (ie Omnia 2). Already it's working because Samsung usually have their own proprietary connector so to see them go universal is a fantastic step in the right direction. It would be blind of HTC not to follow. So yes, bin those old Mini-USB
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
I really hope it can last at least one full day of decent usage without the requirement of a charge. Surely they wouldn't make this wonderful device then shoot themselves in the foot??
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Anyway some good points there!
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
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It is very likely WM7 will be out by mid to late next year. WM8 is already being discussed as I understand it and WM6 and 6.5 have been universally panned (and quite rightly).
So if you purchase the HD2 assuming it will be out of date in less than 10 months then all well but I suspect many will not be happy (including me). I don't mind spending extra bucks now to avoid doubling my investment by having to purchase two devices in the space of 10 months!
Do you have the link to the original "in the original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? "
add this to the list:
1. lack of full-fledged graphics drivers (3D)
2. lack of d-pad; or trackball like blackberrys
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
because despite its "limitations" its still a lot better than the rest now.
take a chill pill dude and try to tone-down the fanboiasm. our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device. also by highlighting them so early in its life, it will make easy easy for its users to deal with its potential issues
Teneka_Khan said:
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
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I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
To answer the FM radio question - the answer is YES
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I agree with the comments above. There is no such thing as a perfect device but you have got to congratulate HTC on the HD2 being one of the closest to it.
alecs said:
I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
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The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
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The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
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By 1GB of flash I believe that means available storage i.e. an SD card
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
I am not sure what fast flash means but these are minumum specs and doesn't mean the device can't run WM7, it may just lag in certain spots though somehow I doubt this thing will lag even on WM7
Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
Most mobile phone LCD screens are 262K colours (18-bit). (This includes many of the displays used on phones that are advertised as supporting 24-bit colour.)
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
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But does anyone know the actual maximum bit-depth of the display?
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3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
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Dude theres a difference between FM Receiver and FM Transmitter. A FM Transmitter is important for those who own a car. The FM Transmitter can be used to transmit Music at a certain frequency which can be tuned to in the car using the Cars FM Radio!
The HD2 already has a FM Receiver. It might also support FM Transmission capabilities but that depends on which chip its using.
Video Out is certainly a welcome addon. Showing off Photos on a LCD is way better than telling them to login to Facebook! I for one will surely miss the TV Out.
Inspite of that, I consider these two features to be of very less importance when compared to the other feature set. This is the THE KILLER phone everyone was waiting for!
Prefer Touch HD over HD2
I agree with Grizzly on almost every point he's been making so far. Before I catch the flames too I shall start with a story...
My HP iPAQ was stolen from a payphone booth within one minute where I forgot it at an airport a year ago. This was my first real PDA and I was extraordinarily disappointed. I had racked up a lot of apps on it and and had even made the home screen sexy and easy to use with a few mods. Going from interfacing my custom cycles with the PCR machine (lab work) to playing old favourites like SimCity 2000 in lectures was great!
The next thing I obviously wanted was a PDA PHONE, so I didn't have to use a payphone booth again... so I got the Touch HD when it just came out in Oz from Telstra (who still sell it for $1500 - 215% markup). And it was absolutely perfect. Did everything, well supported by the community, and using it as a phone and an organizer that synced with outlook it worked a charm. Then last month getting a taxi back from the pub, I was left at a busway because the taxi driver who was fresh from India could not find my home as it wasn't on the GPS. Calling another taxi I got mugged for it while I was using it, snatched it from my hand. So now I was faced with having to get a new phone.
I have bought a Touch HD again. You see, the HD2 as fantastic as it is, is half way between being a traditional WM phone and an Android phone. Without the use of a stylus, how can you hand write down meeting notes? How can I use all my legacy games and applications? What's the point of having something a little zippier when the new manilla (which is a bit too busy) is going to be hacked onto the Touch HD anyway and it doesn't have the Tegra for true gaming pwnage or audiophile quality audio or a true camera replacement camera? Also the lack of 3G camera ticks me off too. I can't video call my parents in NZ which although is horrendously expensive, I enjoy doing on birthdays and so on - on special occasions we're often away from our computers.
What I am going to do is stick with my tried and tested HD and see if the HD2 has any advantage over the Dragon before I upgrade. Or even other non-HTC devices (god forbid) should they provide Audio/Graphics advantages. Because really the point of this thing is to replace the need to carry around other devices. Otherwise just get something that is only a phone, right?
I just found this vid, shows the games on it and well there is only 1 teeter! How could they cut solitaire and bubble breaker! What am i gonna waste time with now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZQ0iXzyvc&feature=player_embedded
Its @ about 2:45
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our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device.
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Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for helping make the HD3 into the perfect device, derailing HTC's initial plans of improving the phone by removing the screen entirely and replacing it with a bar of soap. Your factual inaccuracies are making the mobile world a better place.
Since there is no dedicated off/on hardware ringer switch, is there a way to silence the phone while it is locked?
the volume rocker is normally used for something like that
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Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
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Please spare us your fan-boyish drivel. What I mentioned in the OP are all valid concerns
There are quite a few 4.8" umpc's on the market, with faster processors and various os.
How do they compare to the Advantage in regard to internet, office and outlook?
The wm browsers have fit to screen or one column options. What happens with the small umpc's?
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There are quite a few 4.8" umpc's on the market, with faster processors and various os.
How do they compare to the Advantage in regard to internet, office and outlook?
The wm browsers have fit to screen or one column options. What happens with the small umpc's?
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For me, I have a laptop, a umpc, a pocketpc and a mobile phone.
Umpc vs pocketpc?
pocket pc can INSTANT ON/OFF in a way that not even hibernate or stanby can match. This makes pocketpc the best 24/7 anytime/ anywhere gadget for reading ebooks and typing down ideas, listening to music, using few things related to WIFI.
My only wish is that i can find a good enough program to do powerpoint slides editing using my pocketpc. For powerpoint work, i still use my umpc whenever i am outside. I have never found a good enough powerpoint editing program that I can use in my pocket pc. Viewers. yes but editing no. Will appreciate if someone can recommend or can create such a program.
The only thing to do is have a play around with some UMPCs- having used an original Asus EEE (which has similar specs and screen resolution to the UMPCs I've seen) I'd say it depends on what you want it for.
The Athena has crazy battery life, a good enough screen, can edit office stuff, good for email, plays video fantastically well, is pretty fast, and with Opera Mini 5 finally has a decent web browser.
A UMPC has all of these, and will run standard desktop applications but will have rubbish battery life.
Conclusion is- it'll depend entirely on what you need it for!
Personally I wouldn't drop £400-500 on a UMPC as I don't think they do more than I'd want from my Athena, but if I needed something bigger I'd be tempted to pick up a cheap 7" screened EEE again. Currently I find a Samsung NC-10, an Athena and a HTC Hero more than cover me for my portable needs.
The Athena and other WM-devices suck when it comes to browsing:
- low resolution (640x480 up to 800x480 on newer devices)
- huge waste of screen due to windows frame, URL-toolbar, status-bar, etc. or lack of all those when in full-screen view
- lack of Flash and Java support
- too little memory - surfing in forums quite often result in out of memory
- too slow
UMPC's suffer as well:
- too expensive
- either low screen resolution or too many DPI's to be readable
- though they have a fast CPU compared to WM, they have to run Windows XP/Vista and that turns them slow again
I own a lot of devices, as I kind of collect them...
Apart from the phones in my signature, I also own:
- Asus R2H
- Asus Eee PC 701
- Asus Eee PC 1000H
My experience says:
1) If you want a USABLE and RELIABLE phone, that simply works, entertains you and gets you to do some mails and internet browsing, then go for the iPhone. It is fast, responsive, huge usability and the best web-surfing experience in any phone I tried so far.
2) If you need to work on the road, prepare PowerPoints, do serious e-mails, etc., then get yourself a cheap netbook with 10" screen and 6 cell battery.
Cheers,
vma
May be the OP wants to clarify if he really wishes to compare UMPC to Athena or the more comparable MID vs Athena?
One poster said UMPC has "rubbish battery life" which is only true, but it is because those UMPC was yesterday designed, and not many newer UMPC have been built.
UMPC is defined as Ultra Mobile PC, which is coined by Microsoft, so mostly it is used to described Windows XP Tablet Edition OS devices. Similar form factor devices are appearing on the market again, but they are simply called tablets.
What Athena should be compared to, because of similar form factor, should be MID, which stands for Mobile Internet Device. MID can run Windows XP, or Linux, or other systems, and doesn't have a platform specific thing.
For example, my Samsung Q1 is an UMPC, and it has a 7" screen. For example, my BenQ S6 is a MID, and it has a 4.8" screen. One runs XP Tablet Edition (factory) and one runs XP Home (factory). My Q1 has only a 2 hour battery life (now only 1 hour as the battery wore out) w/ a 3 cell (factory) battery. My S6 has a 4 - 6 hour battery, while having a much smaller Li-poly battery pack, with much less capacity than the one inside the Q1. So you can see, it is not a fair comparison when you compare UMPC vs Athena and compare MID vs Athena.
I own all 3 types.
Fast and slow are all relative, I tell you.
WM can wake up in a flash, so you call it fast. But then if you want to play a high quality video, or Adobe Flash, it just doesn't have enough processing power, then you call it slow. Let's define what you mean by fast and slow.
Windows XP takes forever to boot, so you call it slow. But most modern device, including the lowly Atom CPU, even the low end Z series, can at least play some Flash videos without a lot of problems. So you call that fast? So what is true? Is it fast or slow?
The Atom Z series platform (in various netbooks and MIDs), can do standby to on in very quick time (about 2 sec). It is also very good on battery life, with very low power consumption, especially in idle or standby. That's why I wish the OP was trying to compare MID to Athena, because UMPC is just an orphaned platform without any new entries lately, and thus is a very poor case for going to battle here.
I disagree that the Athena "has crazy battery life" if you meant "great". When I had it on with 3G enabled, it didn't really last very long. Worst if you have Push enabled, or even pull (either way). I did read about the ROM making a diff. but in the earlier days, all I used was factory ROM, so there is nobody else to blame if that's the case.
I do agree with vma in general. I now use an iPhone for my daily phone, and I own 2 netbooks, with 1 having a 6 cell battery. They are the bread and butter of my assortment of equipments at my disposal (which is a lot), which I use the most in a real portable / mobile situation. iPhone as a daily phone and data device, while netbooks being used in meetings / gatherings etc.
I also will take out my Athena or my MID (S6) just to fill the gap, if the situation requires, but this gap is like a niche, so they don't get used very often because of that. For example, if I have to walk more than drive, and thus don't want to carry even a netbook, but at the same time I really need to have Windows (native, remote won't cut it case), then I have no choice but to carry the MID w/ XP (S6). But that doesn't really happen too often. More and more apps are available on iPhone that slowly replaced even some of the very niche apps on Windows.
Athena is worse, there is even less niche that I must have WM w/ me nowadays. Most apps have been replaced, and fewer required. For example, having a connected Garmin Mobile XT is nice, but I already own a GPS nav plus software on my iPhone, so I need WM even less even it does give me that combo, but it is not absolutely necessary. It is just nice to have (an also do case).
The saving grace of the Athena is SkyFire and Opera Mini 5 (compiled binary version especially), and latest cooked ROM on 6.5.x. Otherwise, the Athena is really outdated. Many apps are already duplicated and I can't think of any that still remains a huge advantage (no pun intended) on the Athena, except one (which is a niche app, most people don't need / use it, as it caters to only certain kind of people).
With all that said, Athena still has one slight advantage (no pun intended), and that is if you have a pretty stable environment / system, you don't really have to worry about maintenance down the road unless you add / subtract things from it. If it is stable, it should remain so, as the system doesn't get much changes, unlike XP which has constant security problems and thus updates and this and that. iPhone being a very fluid environment only because there are a lot of new updates which are either essential in order to have some new highly anticipated features (hard to ignore), and then apps compatibility afterwards. With Athena, if you can tolerate not having new ROMs or apps, and use it as a stable appliance, and you can actually achieve a stable env to begin with (not always the case, WM is not that stable, the more apps you install, the less stable it becomes), then it is rather reliable. Look at CE Embedded, many GPS nav platforms use that as the base core OS and it's stable. It's only unknown apps can affect it.
I can maintain my XP well, but it takes efforts etc. I also maintain my iPhone from time to time, but not as often, but each updates is a new battle to test everything once over again, lots of time and stuff. For Athena, it used to be like that, but now since one should find a stable ROM and be content with, then it's ok. But that may be because there aren't any new killer apps out there, that demands the newer versions of ROM / OS version, so it is no longer an issue.
But it doesn't necessary make it easy though. I struggled to make Athena stable and for the longest time, WM is very hard to tame (worst of all handheld platforms IMHO!).
I'd say, if you are very good in maintaining Windows (like XP), an XP based MID is actually a very good choice today, with the new Atom Z (or even N) series CPU. You just can't expect it to be a phone for voice stuff (even if so, I can't trust XP to be 100% reliable in voice handling), as a data only device. And that can replace Athena as a similiar size platform.
For example, my S6 is about the same size as the Athena except longer (should say wider, but the longest side), if Athena is in its leather case w/ keyboard. However, I can strip down my Athena w/o keyboard and leather case, and it becomes very thin, (and no protection), but I can't strip down my S6 any further. It is also hotter if run long also.
As for UMPC, I don't know if XP will be able to compete still, as there are surprising few new models as compared to Linux / Android based ones coming out these day. I found Vista very unsuitable (for just about anything) and even Windows 7 doesn't provide the efficiency like XP can (battery life, graphics performance), and only provide a bit more convenience, but tax a lot more resources that is not worth it in a low power, low resource small device. Leave the W7 to more powerful computers.
It all comes down to what apps you need to run. If you have apps that only is avail on one platform, you probably don't have a choice. If you only need popular apps that are avail on all platforms, then you have lots of choices and lots of debates.
But one thing is sure: if you need powerful stuff, even some video playback, just don't kid yourself, the Athena can't cut it, I tried pretty much everything. Even the Z500 + GMA500, considered the lowest end on an Intel based platform, will beat the Athena playing videos. Browsing is the same also. There is just so much an ARM based CPU can do, especially without modern GPU on the side (The ATi chip is really not helping much in the Athena, despite the brand behind it).
If I have to choose today, I'd take iPhone + netbook like vma said. But if I have other needs, then I'd take iPhone + MID, or iPhone + UMPC. My WM devices are now niche devices today, changed their roles from their past, no longer the centre.
Of course not, but as far as design maybe ....
I have been looking for a phone to upgrade from my iPhone 5 for sometime.
I missed the screen size and resolution of my old Galaxy Siii and although the iPhone is very nice there are a number of frustrations. For example having to go home button-next screen-settings-WiFi-off/on just to toggle WiFi is ridiculous, or to not have any browser choices with flash, etc. etc.*
Studying the market it seems it's between the One and the S4. The Sony Z has a few unique features but is not attractive. Other phones like the Motorola HD are nice but not really comparable on features. Once you have seen a 1920 screen you can't really go back.
On paper the S4 has a slight advantage although I applaud HTC for trying to end the pointless pixel war. As a amateur photographer I can say that all mobile phone cameras are [email protected] so why have bigger files which just waste space ?*
However once the phones are in your hand it's another story. The One is just beautiful. It it a phone you really want to just pickup.
I went to buy a S4 and came out with a One, for pretty much the same price.
The S4 is not only plastic fantastic but the design is still stuck in the iPhone 3 groove which Samsung originally copied.
The S4 is a great phone, but for me the One is almost perfect. The screen size and weight, the design, the georgeous screen, the software, the speed.
Sure, nothing is perfect, the One get a bit warm in use, it would be nice to have a SD card slot, a polishing cloth would be nice in the box etc. but this really feels like sniping.
It's difficult to know where phones go from here. Apart from 1tb of flash storage and a 5000mah battery I can't think of anything. I don't need more size, resolution or speed really. I suppose a display port or HDMI would be good with a keyboard and mouse in the box to use as a computer, I mean this is more powerful then most peoples PCs and Macs right ?
I take my hat off to HTC and wish them speedy restoration of their former glory!
Just a correction... It's not as powerful to the current PCs & Macs.
It might be quad core and has almost the same ghz that CPU processors but truth is it's too tiny to be of match to computers. Perhaps the performance of quad cores here is comparable to dual cores of computers right now or might even be single cores. And much more less on the GPU side.
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Apart from 1tb of flash storage and a 5000mah battery I can't think of anything
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I said the same about upgrading from my HD2 about 3 years ago. There wasn't anything sufficiently BOOM for me to upgrade.
I had WM6.5 and 'Droid on the SD (while Android was still effectively in beta) and the new phones back then were a bit gimmicky compared.
Can't find the post but I said I wouldn't upgrade until 2GHz/2GB RAM/Quad Core/1080p and I didn't.
So, back to your question? Where next?
1TB storage? Nah. 64/128GB will be the new 16/32 more like. With micro SD.
5 working day battery - it'll be about real world longevity rather than tech specs, which will lead to a big row as people don't get 5 days gaming
Where next? Frikkin' lasers! What else can be packed in?
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Just a correction... It's not as powerful to the current PCs & Macs.
It might be quad core and has almost the same ghz that CPU processors but truth is it's too tiny to be of match to computers. Perhaps the performance of quad cores here is comparable to dual cores of computers right now or might even be single cores. And much more less on the GPU side.
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yes and no
most folk have PCs with an Intel 3000 or less for graphics.
you are right about size, which is why a display port and keyboard/mouse would be great
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Where next? Frikkin' lasers! What else can be packed in?
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thats the thing
I always say I don't need more and then someone comes up with something I never thought of and I can't live without LOL
4K Screens, PS3 graphics and flexible screens. Unfortunately, not many companies focus on the battery life which is the sad reality.
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4K Screens, PS3 graphics and flexible screens. Unfortunately, not many companies focus on the battery life which is the sad reality.
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Battery tech is the NBT. Has to be.
Otherwise, if they add anything else in to devices, we'll have to be no more than 12 feet from a plug.
I sincerely hope the race for bigger marketing numbers ends at 1080p displays: 1080p is already absolutely 100% pointless on a phone-sized screen. However, in other ways, screen performance has a long way to go: I want something that goes brighter than my HTC One (which still has legility issues in bright sunlight), has less reflection from the screen, has more resistance to damage and scratches, and combines an OLED-like black level with properly calibrated colour accuracy and white point, and no screen-burn. (And a way to calibrate the screen that doesn't require a custom kernel).
More performance is never a bad thing.
2GB of RAM is nowhere near enough, especially with 0.5GB being dedicated video memory. I'm looking forward to 4GB devices.
Mobile GPUs have quite a way to go, too, especially in terms of memory bandwidth: I'd like to see manufacturers experimenting with EDRAM.
Camera sensors could also be massively much better than the sensor on the One (although whether the market would accept that is another story: you'd probably have to make the phone significantly thicker). I'd like Xenon flashes to become more common, too.
Personally I'd like more onboard storage available at a lower price. Phones which have 16, 32 and 64GB models charge a ludicrous premium for the larger capacities.
The lack of USB 3.0 is a problem using OTG storage.
Headphone output, while quite respectable on phones like the One, could still be a lot better.
Probably the single biggest thing that needs improving is battery life. I'm lucky if I get four hours of real-life use out of my One if I'm browsing the web over 3G. Really you need at least twice that.
Dissipating heat will, I think, increasingly become a problem in the future. I can't see a smartphone ever incorporating an audible cooling fan.
HDMI output still has a few issues.
And finally the whole thing needs to become more rugged. Sony's Xperia Z is decidedly undesirable in many other ways, but the water-proof and dust-proof features are great (or at least they would be if they didn't require a compromise in terms of speaker quality).
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More performance is never a bad thing.
2GB of RAM is nowhere near enough, especially with 0.5GB being dedicated video memory. I'm looking forward to 4GB devices.
Mobile GPUs have quite a way to go, too, especially in terms of memory bandwidth: I'd like to see manufacturers experimenting with EDRAM.
Camera sensors could also be massively much better than the sensor on the One (although whether the market would accept that is another story: you'd probably have to make the phone significantly thicker). I'd like Xenon flashes to become more common, too.
Personally I'd like more onboard storage available at a lower price. Phones which have 16, 32 and 64GB models charge a ludicrous premium for the larger capacities.
The lack of USB 3.0 is a problem using OTG storage.
Headphone output, while quite respectable on phones like the One, could still be a lot better.
Probably the single biggest thing that needs improving is battery life. I'm lucky if I get four hours of real-life use out of my One if I'm browsing the web over 3G. Really you need at least twice that.
HDMI output still has a few issues.
And finally the whole thing needs to become more rugged. Sony's Xperia Z is decidedly undesirable in many other ways, but the water-proof and dust-proof features are great (or at least they would be if they didn't require a compromise in terms of speaker quality).
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yes, thats pretty much the whole 9 yards
battery life is the main thing for me and it seems most other people
I am sceptical of camera. physics demands a bigger sensor and it ain't going to happen in the form factor.
most people don't need better quality, judging from alot of DSLR shots I see
a display projector, or holographic display would be nice. then I can show people photographs when I am visiting wihout any other equipment
I'm still waiting for a phone that turns into a plane and flies me to my own desert island id be really happy with that
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I'm still waiting for a phone that turns into a plane and flies me to my own desert island id be really happy with that
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there is a real danger they get the spec of the island wrong you could get dumped here:
http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/the-history-of-hashima-the-island-in-bond-film-skyfall/
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a display projector, or holographic display would be nice. then I can show people photographs when I am visiting wihout any other equipment
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I'm a little doubtful about putting a projector into a device that's hand-held and uses a touch-screen interface: the picture will wobble around like crazy every time you tap a button.
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There's one very important development that's needed on the software side, incidentally: at the moment mobile web-browsers still don't do a sufficiently good job of parsing desktop-oriented websites. There are a number of issues involved, but one of the more significant ones is that there's no accepted way to emulate moving the mouse cursor to a specific position without actually clicking on something. This means websites that depend on mouse-over events - things like menus that pop up when you move the cursor over a link - never work correctly.
One of the things I had hoped Samsung might do with the GS4 (but, as far as I know, didn't) is use their "air gesture" technology to achieve this: hold your finger close to the screen to move the cursor, and actually touch it to click. A device like the S-Pen could achieve the same thing if it's pressure sensitive: move while pressing lightly to move the cursor, press harder to click. There have been other attempts at this in the past: the original Blackberry Storm, for example, had a touch-screen that was effectively one large physical button, so it could tell whether you were gently tracing your finger over the screen or actually pressing. But I've yet to see a way of doing this that works nicely.
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I'm a little doubtful about putting a projector into a device that's hand-held and uses a touch-screen interface: the picture will wobble around like crazy every time you tap a button.
There's one very important development that's needed on the software side, incidentally: at the moment mobile web-browsers still don't do a sufficiently good job of parsing desktop-oriented websites.
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actually that reminds me of another aweful thing about the iphone.
when you are editing online forms, e.g. an ebay advert, the iphone just goes mad.
firstly spelling suggestions go out of the window. it starts making odd suggestions about words you have never heard of.
secondly it does weird additions. so you are typing and it suddenly replaces the last three words with something totally out of context.
apple have improved this. It used to be impossible to even use on web forms, but it stil needs alot more work.
chrome and webkit (and IE on Windows Phone for that matter) are vastly superior in this aspect.
I have had the YT3P for a week. Here is a summary:
Good stuff:
+ Build is solid
+ Stand design is more practical/versatile than expected
+ Display quality is very good with no light bleed noticed
+ Speaker bar puts out very loud and good quality sound
+ Battery life is crazy good. Easily twelve hours of mixed medium to heavy use (games. web, movies, comics)
+ Games and media plays great/smooth
+ Good wifi range
+ Battery bleed in sleep mode is great. 2% overnight. That is the nearest to my iPad Air (1% or less) I have ever had with an Android tab (I have had a BUNCH).
+ Projector experience in a darker room to watch is better than expected and more then a novelty. 32" to 40" inches appears the sweet spot for overall quality and size. Even 50" though was watchable (in dark room). Surprisingly the projector area on the stand area only get medium warm and not hot. I was concerned it would get hot with no fan.
Not so good stuff
- The UI is custom. It does not seem to get in the way like Touchwiz on my Tab 8S, so perhaps no harm no foul.
- There are sporadic times when touch does not appear to work and takes a few taps.
- Occasional lag. Perhaps due to the 2GB ram. Not sure. (perhaps this issue and the one above are the same thing).
- Chrome and Firefox seem unstable, but not sure if an Intel / Android issue or Yoga issue...
Bad stuff
- Unlike my MXPE, Note 4, Tab 8S and my laptops, this device does NOT support exFAT. Bad considering FAT32 only supports files less than 4GB and all of my microsd and thumbdrives are exFAT. Kind of makes the OTG function on this device pointless unless you want to format to FAT32 and lose 4GB file ability. I did reluctantly format a 64GB card to FAT32.
- Adding another line about no exFAT support, since a profoundly huge inconvenience.
- More times than not after restarting, the tablet goes through app optimizing. I have over 300 apps, so this is real bad. I have had Android devices since the G1 and this is the first time having this issue.
I bought mine from Best Buy. Not sure I am keeping it due to the exFAT and app optimizing issues. Will not root, since all I want is exFAT and have no desire to go through the risk of a root process, or starting from
scratch with this device again. BTW, out of box, you have to go though six restarts since there are six separate updates ranging from five to several hundred megs.
In regards to exFAT, I wish Lenovo would at least offer the drivers to customers that need/want them. Make it an app purchase. I would have paid for it.