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ICS and Galaxy Nexus info

THE BEST 4chan thread ever: http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/20045706
This guy apparently got some inside stuff, will post his thread here and copy + paste is for those not brave enough to look themselves.
"Alright so these Samsung representatives dropped by work today and gave our team a heads up about their mobile division and their flagship phones coming out in the near future. Basically they came in with the new Samsung Galaxy Nexus. They said it was a beta model, but it looked like a proper retail version. They talked about that phone, their Galaxy S II, it’s success and the Galaxy S III next year which is already in R&D.
I have an iPhone 4, but I’m very familiar with the Galaxy S II (my job is to work with phones) so it’s easy to make comparisons between the two.
Samsung Galaxy Nexus:
- Samsung representatives showed a working a working model of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus but not the Galaxy S III. They passed around the Galaxy Nexus phone and we got about an hour to play with it while they were here. The phone looks similar to the Sprint variant of the Galaxy S II, with a round-edged body, but also similar to the Nexus S with a curved screen. It’s a good size, not too big if you’re used to Android phones. It’s a monster compared to iPhones though.
- Reps said that Verizon passed on the SGSII to have an exclusive deal with Samsung to stock the Galaxy Nexus.
- The SGN will run on Samsung’s Exynos dual core CPU clocked at 1.5GHz, 1gb RAM, Super AMOLED Plus 4.65 inch 1280x720 HD display, 16gb internal memory (with sd card slot) is 8.8mm thick, metal body and a 2000mAh battery (the same as the new one that’s being released for the Galaxy S II).
- It is heavier than the SGSII, weighing in at around 130g-140g because of the metal casing. It feels nice and has got decent weight.
- The phone is blazingly fast, I guess it’s as fast the SGS II. It has no issues with general use and opens apps, drawers etc instantly. No lag. I tried opening a whole bunch of apps, but it was still running smooth and would auto-kill once it got overloaded anyway, so you never feel the performance taking a hit."
"Ice Cream Sandwich:
- Ice Cream Sandwich is very nice. It works like the current Gingerbread OS but has gotten a major facelift. The menus are a lot nicer and smoother, screens have a ‘glassy’ look to them. It just feels more polished with more animations (fast and smooth) when accessing things on the phone.
- On the demo unit, the Android version was 2.4.1, not 4.0 or whatever people were expecting.
- The app drawer has three sections at the top that you press and it goes to the drawer for your selection. There are sections for apps, games and widgets. The apps section is what we are all used to. Just drawer for all the apps on the phone. The games section is just a drawer for all the games you’ve downloaded, the widgets section shows all the apps that have widgets available. The cool thing is you can click the widgets in the widgets section to get a view of what they look like. So you don’t have to screw around with applying a widget on a homescreen, seeing you don’t like it, deleting it, doing it again wit a slightly different setting etc etc to see the difference. On ICS you get a visual representation of the widget, you can swap easily between the widgets the app provides, change the settings in real time, and then you can go ahead an apply it on a homescreen."
"- Best of all with the drawers is that you can create and name your own app drawer if you want. I think the ICS comes with three standard drawers mentioned above (apps, games and widgets) and then demo phone had app drawers created called “Sports” and “News” which contained all the sports and news related apps that you download. I’m not sure if the sports apps you download automatically go to the sports drawer (with some settings like auto push sports apps to drawer “Sports” or something) or if you have to put it there manually. Either way, it was very good and reduced the amount of searching for an app. With the Galaxy phones, if you didn’t know where the app was, which page it was on, it would take a while to search through it because they weren’t in alphabetical order, they were just in the order you downloaded them. This is a LOT cleaner, organised and feels more polished.
- I’m not familiar with Honeycomb, so I don’t know really what it pulled from there. I’m guessing quite a bit because visually it’s quite different to current Android phones. I always thought that Android phone manufacturers made great phones, but the Android software lacked polish and user-friendlyness I was told the glassy look is from honeycomb and there are a lot more blues and purples on the phone rather than green. The icons look different, more shiny. The marketplace app is the same as the current one. Not sure if a new one is being worked on."
"- The Gmail app is a lot better looking than the current one. If you flip the phone to the side, it has the preview pane, like how Outlook works, with the emails on on the left and the message on the right. It looks really nice. Vertically, it works similar to the current Gmail app, but looks a lot cleaner and on an email the reply button says “reply” rather than having that arrow. There’s a down arrow next to the reply button which has “reply all”, “save as draft” etc etc. The threads are smaller (could be due to the higher resolution screen) and around 10-12 threads can fit on the screen. Other than visual tweaks, it’s the same thing you know.
- Calendar app is revised, a lot less cluttered, glassy bluish look. A new calendar widget available.
- The internet browser is leaps and bounds better than what you currently get. It has a completely revamped interface and the icon is no longer the blue earth icon. The icon is now an Android behind the earth which is green and blue. Name is still “internet”. But it’s really easy to use. I personally hated the stock browser for Android but I’d actually consider using this. It has its tabs at the bottom of the screen now, similar to Opera Browser mobile. The pinch to zoom is better than before, the rendering is excellent, no checkerboards. Zoomed out the text is pristine. Really liking the browser app."
Samsung Galaxy S III:
I personally found their talk of the Galaxy S III much more interesting. They didn’t have a working model of the phone, but they had pictures and slides with specs/info:
- Samsung is planning to reveal the Samsung Galaxy S III at the 2012 Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. Samsung will try to get a simultaneous worldwide release for the Galaxy S III mid 2012.
- The Samsung representatives were happy with the success of the Samsung Galaxy S and Samsung Galaxy S II, their great relationship with Google and Android, and were talking about how they’re constantly trying to push the boundaries of mobile hardware technology. They revealed that the Galaxy S III will be their next flagship phone in 2012.
- The specifications for the SGSIII are of course subject to change, but are Samsung-developed 2.0GHz quad-core CPU (no codename given), 1.5gb RAM, 32gb internal memory (with sd card slot), and a 4.65 inch screen. A new display called Super AMOLED III is being developed specifically for the phone (SGS had Super AMOLED, SGS II had Super AMOLED Plus, SGS III has Super AMOLED III) with 1280x1024 resolution, giving the phone a ppi of 352, which they emphasized that a 352ppi will make it the highest ppi mobile phone.
And thats all. XD

Wow that's impressive I can't wait!
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Interesting..

Unfortunately the link is now dead. I'm not sure if it was earlier as this was the first time I checked but from what I read in this thread it looks interesting. Do you know about the sound chip in the Nexus as the GSII actually has an inferior sound processor to the original GS from what I have heard? I hope they don't skimp out on the sound processor.

tiny4579 said:
Unfortunately the link is now dead. I'm not sure if it was earlier as this was the first time I checked but from what I read in this thread it looks interesting. Do you know about the sound chip in the Nexus as the GSII actually has an inferior sound processor to the original GS from what I have heard? I hope they don't skimp out on the sound processor.
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Alternate link: (cached original post)
"Posted by an anonymous 4chan user, based on rumors."
http://www.samsunggalaxysforum.com/samsung-galaxy-s-lounge-(off-topic)/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-was-mentioned-by-an-anonymous-4chan-user/?wap2
"2.0GHz quad-core CPU" This would be nice but I bet it ships clocked @ 1.5 > 1.8GHz

Anymore infor on the SIII this man seemed to know his stuff before public release?

Are we likely to get new SIII features?

Well as 99% of you know the SIII has been launched, with a whole host of software features.
What are the chances of us getting some of these features? A couple that appeal to me are the Music Hub (newer less usless version) and the new dongle that mirror to the TV.
It'd be great to get these features.
(Could this be the reason ICS got delayed?)

We gets the hubs for music, movies and the others.
Faceunlock but if u close your eyes and the screen goes off this feature is only for sgs3 and the videofrature too.
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We'll never have them 'cause the s3 was "designed for humans" and the note was designed for aliens lol
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I would like to see the improved camera software for our Note, such as faster shutter speed (current speed annoys me compared to my SGS1 Epic 4G which has a super fast shutter) and 3.3 second between shots.

I'm very interested in the AllShare Cast wireless streaming dongle.
I can't see any reason it wouldn't be offered for the Note, or any modern Samsung device for that matter.

CreepyDroid said:
We'll never have them 'cause the s3 was "designed for humans" and the note was designed for aliens lol
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maybe not aliens.. but gods...
nah, just kiddin

Yes well get all of them....cept that really crappy sIII feature: that 4'8" screen.

CGI_Ram said:
I'm very interested in the AllShare Cast wireless streaming dongle.
I can't see any reason it wouldn't be offered for the Note, or any modern Samsung device for that matter.
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i really want wireless display mirroring too!
hope our NOTE meet the hardware requirement....

We will get all of them soon...Just give our devs couple of months

What about the Siri clone? You think we will get it?

Well, if we do get it (and im sure eventually in time it will be), the only thing that I'm pretty sure we won't ever get is NFC... (this is after all the International Note version thread), this needs the hardware part... which I'm pretty sure our Note lacks the better part of it as well.

I feel like a good chunk if not almost all of these features could be ported to our Notes. Seeing as they've said that the quad core Exynos is supposed to be pin for pin identical to the dual cores in the fact that they can be changed out without having to alter your design I'd have to think the whole setup is similar, but I'm just guessing. The biggest thing I've been wondering about is with the whole zero shutter lag. Is it possible to port or give our older phones this ability? I don't know if new hardware is physically required or if it's all software? If my Note could have zero shutter lag, or even much faster shutter speeds and ICS. I'm perfectly happy without the SIII.

rayarny said:
We will get all of them soon...Just give our devs couple of months
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Yup, that's true:
http://opendesign.blamesamsung.org

It would be interesting if they held the Note's ICS update back, so they can show off all the new features on their flagship first. Rather than the S3 announcement essentially being; 'Its got all the features of the Note but its smaller and has no SPen'

AETAaAS said:
It would be interesting if they held the Note's ICS update back, so they can show off all the new features on their flagship first. Rather than the S3 announcement essentially being; 'Its got all the features of the Note but its smaller and has no SPen'
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Whilst I'm not a fan of threads such as this (prefer waiting), you are likely on the money. With 3 million Notes sold and S3 launch, you don't want to steal the new arrivals thunder!
Nexus S ICS was on Google Employees handsets for ages before publically released as Google needed to get units of Galaxy Nexus shifted.
Any timeframe extension the inhouse devs might have been given to allow for the launch of the S3 (in developing ICS mainstream Samsung build, Note extras and other device specific extras for say S2 for example) can only be a good thing.

duowing said:
I feel like a good chunk if not almost all of these features could be ported to our Notes. Seeing as they've said that the quad core Exynos is supposed to be pin for pin identical to the dual cores in the fact that they can be changed out without having to alter your design I'd have to think the whole setup is similar, but I'm just guessing. The biggest thing I've been wondering about is with the whole zero shutter lag. Is it possible to port or give our older phones this ability? I don't know if new hardware is physically required or if it's all software? If my Note could have zero shutter lag, or even much faster shutter speeds and ICS. I'm perfectly happy without the SIII.
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You stole the words right out of my mouth.
I personally feel that most of the features should be able to get ported, especially the new TouchWiz Launcher Nature UX. Its essentially got the ICS stock feel with a Widget tab while allowing transparency.
I am hoping to get the ROM ported with features from the note, mainly SMemo stuff over to the note, that would be a delight.
Good Luck Dev's

I am not really impressed with the SIII, I am not saying it's bad rather it's awesome and I would have wanted it on day one had I not had my GNote. 4.8 is still small and it feels awkward saying that.
Coming to your question, who knows it might all be the ICS Update, if not then in Note II definitely.
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This is what i posted in the main ICS thread & this is what I feel..
I think Galaxy note will get ICS updates inline with Galaxy S2 with the addition of premium suite. Both of them are previous years's model.
Galaxy note 2 & Galaxy S3 will have same feature set.
From business point of view if Galaxy note gets the features then Galaxy note 2 will be only a hardware upgrade. Well that wouldnt create the hype would it ?
Regarding porting to our note our devs will certainly turn the magic wheels....

I am leaning towards the PORT and not a Samsung Supported update due to the same reason of Productization and ensuring that the customer can differentiate between the Note and the SGS III, otherwise the Note will win with the features and screen size, but lacking the Quad Core.

I also feel with a complete ICS build running on the Note it probably won't be that much slower than the GSIII despite dual vs. quad. Heck people said it's the same GPU just overclocked right? As for Note 2 I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce some new features. Maybe HD SuperAMOLED+? Wasn't the Note the first Samsung phone to have the HD Screen, GLONASS, S-Pen, etc?
As for some of the new features my Droid Charge which is basically just Galaxy S hardware has the newer launcher, widgets, and some of the features from the Galaxy SII. So I think we could see stuff brought to our Note!!

A Little Appreciation and why not to Upgrade

I bought the Note 10.1 a couple of months after it's launch in the US, and I have been using it in school to take notes on lectures ever since.
My friend bought the 2014 edition a few months back and I noticed that it just falls short. Yes, it's good, but it's no where near as good as ours is.
First and foremost - the battery is stronger. He squeezes out a day of usage while I can go to school 3 days in a row without getting near a charger.
The note 10.1 surprisingly does not lag. I think that it's one of the only samsung devices out there that don't lag with Touchwiz. The 2014 edition lags even when you pull down the notification shade.
Even the 2014 main advantage - it's display - is not worth it. The quality on the original note is so damn good that resolutions don't matter. I gave a few people the chance to compare them. The majority pointed on my tablet, claiming it had the better screen. The sheer quality of the display definitely makes up for the not-so-high resolution.
These are just some few basic things. If you go in deeper you'll surely find other little causes to favour the one over the other. But looking on the big things - battery, UI and general feel and even the display of the Note 10.1 are superior to the new 2014 Edition. If you have a 2012 edition and are considering whether to upgrade or not - save your cash. The 2012 is simply the better one.

Even Though That 2014 Edition might be thinner and smaller in size and looking better
but old one can do everything very well
i don't even Consider buying the new one because it will just be waste of money
i love my note and i think it's more than enough for me ^_^

Just bought the 2012, refurb from a major UK seller with 12 months warranty, half the price of cheapest 2014 I could find - well happy.

The only feat the 2014 edition Galaxy Note 10.1 has over the original Note 10.1 is the higher resolution.
2560 x 1600 on a 10.1" screen is beyond overkill.
about as much as the 1920x1200 resolution of my Nexus 7. I wish the Nexus 7 had capacitive buttons and not on screen dock buttons taking up the screen.

The Note 10.1 (N8000) is originally planned to run fluently with 1GB of RAM only (similar to Note 1 N7000), but its RAM is doubled (2x) at the last minute, making every specs twice the Note 1 with the same resolution, so it is more than enough even now. :good:
On the other hand, the Note 10.1 2014 only has its RAM boosted to 3GB (1.5x), its octa-core still operates in each group of four instead of true octa-core so they're not that much better, but the screen resolution becomes four times the N8000's, so it's somewhat insufficient. In fact, it is possible that the lag often occured when the tablet switches from the 'power-saving' group of CPUs (1.2Ghz x 4) to the 'performance' one (1.9Ghz x 4), so the Qualcomm version might be better.
About the screen: the 2014 one has higher resolution, which means in order to look nice everything displayed on it should at least match the huge resolution. The N8000 on the other hand still has HD resolution, which is quite good (considering HD was once a hype in TVs), and everything bigger than HD is guaranteed to look nice on it.

Yes n8000 is quite good all the way. Im not either going to replace this by 2014 or Pros. A minor (for me, huge) issue is the lack of a newer OS, but if you dont use smart-accessories, share SNote, you will be fine. Im using Sonys sw2 and unfortunately there is growing numbers of apps that require the API level of the newer OS than it is in A4.1.2 :/
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One big thing that the note has going for it is support. I am not even sure if Samsung remembers this device.
I hate the home button on a tablet on a phone it's nice so it doesn't eat up space on a tablet with ample space navigation bars are a blessing. No matter how you hold the tablet you have access to the Navy bar unfortunately with a physical home button now you have to flip it around if you hold it a certain way.
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I bought my n8013 last month after reading lots of reviews. Unfortunately, I did not look at XDA. It never even dawned on me that a tablet as awesome as this one would not even be brought up to the level of OS that my dual-core S3 was at. Still can't believe it. Having said that, this thing flies on Hyperdrive, has no lag at all with Nova launcher. But this machine really deserves at least one more major update. If the S5 is not the absolute best phone on the market when it is released, I think I will be done with Samsung's stuff for a while. I'll use and love this tablet till it falls apart tho.
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Latest isn't always greatest.
Keep in mind that 4.4 will not allow you to install flash player, so you may want to get N8013 if you rely on flash.

I'd be content with 4.2 of Jelly Bean.

mingkee said:
Latest isn't always greatest.
Keep in mind that 4.4 will not allow you to install flash player, so you may want to get N8013 if you rely on flash.
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Really explain to me how I'm running flash on my nexus 5 ? Works really good with Dolfin :what:
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ilostmypistons said:
Really explain to me how I'm running flash on my nexus 5 ? Works really good with Dolfin :what:
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I have 4.4 on my Nexus 7 and I can confirm that Flash playback does not work well.
Try to play Youtube video embed.

GodSlayer said:
I bought the Note 10.1 a couple of months after it's launch in the US.
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I was one of the first on XDA to get a N10.1-12 in August, 2012, when it was launched. It replaced a year-old G-Tab 10.1 (which had the same screen resolution BTW). I've had a N10.1-14 since October. So I have lots of Samsung tablet experience. To say that the display on the '12 is "superior" to the '14 is ridiculous. The display on the N10.1-12 was painful from day one and Samsung was ridiculed for releasing such a high-end device without a 1,900x1,200 display which Asus and Acer were already offering. When I had a N2 going between it and the N10.1-12 was livable. The N10.1-12 was pretty much history after I got a N3 because of the pronounced difference in their displays.
The difference in form factor, design, and materials between the two is another big selling point for the N10.1-14. The N10.1-12 looked just like every other Samsung tablet and not like the flagship it was. And not a single reviewer had anything positive to say about the glossy plastic back and obviously plastic metallized bezel. The only benefit of the old design was front facing speakers but the N10.1-14's are certainly loud enough and most agree that the reduction in size by moving them to the sides was a worthy trade-off.
As for s/w changes the N10.1-14 adapts the same Multi View methods used in the N3. It's kind of jarring coming from the N10.1-12 but after using it for a while the changes Samsung made start to make sense. Using Air View to open apps with Pen Window is fantastic. You can have a browser present and minimized as an icon constantly available no matter where you are in the UI and no matter what you're doing. Leaks have already appeared of 4.4 with Magazine UX for the N10.1-14. In it, the number of Pen Window apps have tripled and the ability to "cascade" multiple apps is being introduced (it was a feature from the N10.1-12 that was missing). There's nothing from the N10.1-12 that I miss s/w wise.
The N10.1-12 is a great device and for people buying it today for $200'ish it's a great value based on the function it provides. Nothing's going to make a 147 PPI display acceptable when even today's low-end 7" tablets have it beat. And that low PPI display is the only reason the performance of the N10.1-12 is still adequate. The Exynos chip and Mali 400 GPU it uses are the same as what's in the SGS3 which debuted in March, 2012; almost two years ago.
And for those with short memories the N10.1-12 shipped with 4.0.4 and wasn't upgraded to 4.1 and the "Premium Suite" until January, 2013. There were tons of issues with the N10.1-12's launch s/w and plenty of lag; especially when multiple apps were open. So the N10.1-14 does have some occasional transition lag but is due to receive a major update this month; less time than the five months it took Samsung to update the N10.1-12 so it performed to its full potential.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to change it. But as someone whose owned both devices I wouldn't want someone to buy the N10.1-12 today without some counter point to consider because you and I have greatly differing opinions.

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I have 4.4 on my Nexus 7 and I can confirm that Flash playback does not work well.
Try to play Youtube video embed.
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Theres a hacked version in the Nexsus 5 Q&A section maybe you can give it a try on your N7. It works real well on the N5. DL link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1qjrD8ZER9ITmlVNW1EVWM5YlE/preview
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BarryH_GEG said:
I was one of the first on XDA to get a N10.1-12 in August, 2012, when it was launched. It replaced a year-old G-Tab 10.1 (which had the same screen resolution BTW). I've had a N10.1-14 since October. So I have lots of Samsung tablet experience. To say that the display on the '12 is "superior" to the '14 is ridiculous. The display on the N10.1-12 was painful from day one and Samsung was ridiculed for releasing such a high-end device without a 1,900x1,200 display which Asus and Acer were already offering. When I had a N2 going between it and the N10.1-12 was livable. The N10.1-12 was pretty much history after I got a N3 because of the pronounced difference in their displays.
The difference in form factor, design, and materials between the two is another big selling point for the N10.1-14. The N10.1-12 looked just like every other Samsung tablet and not like the flagship it was. And not a single reviewer had anything positive to say about the glossy plastic back and obviously plastic metallized bezel. The only benefit of the old design was front facing speakers but the N10.1-14's are certainly loud enough and most agree that the reduction in size by moving them to the sides was a worthy trade-off.
As for s/w changes the N10.1-14 adapts the same Multi View methods used in the N3. It's kind of jarring coming from the N10.1-12 but after using it for a while the changes Samsung made start to make sense. Using Air View to open apps with Pen Window is fantastic. You can have a browser present and minimized as an icon constantly available no matter where you are in the UI and no matter what you're doing. Leaks have already appeared of 4.4 with Magazine UX for the N10.1-14. In it, the number of Pen Window apps have tripled and the ability to "cascade" multiple apps is being introduced (it was a feature from the N10.1-12 that was missing). There's nothing from the N10.1-12 that I miss s/w wise.
The N10.1-12 is a great device and for people buying it today for $200'ish it's a great value based on the function it provides. Nothing's going to make a 147 PPI display acceptable when even today's low-end 7" tablets have it beat. And that low PPI display is the only reason the performance of the N10.1-12 is still adequate. The Exynos chip and Mali 400 GPU it uses are the same as what's in the SGS3 which debuted in March, 2012; almost two years ago.
And for those with short memories the N10.1-12 shipped with 4.0.4 and wasn't upgraded to 4.1 and the "Premium Suite" until January, 2013. There were tons of issues with the N10.1-12's launch s/w and plenty of lag; especially when multiple apps were open. So the N10.1-14 does have some occasional transition lag but is due to receive a major update this month; less time than the five months it took Samsung to update the N10.1-12 so it performed to its full potential.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not trying to change it. But as someone whose owned both devices I wouldn't want someone to buy the N10.1-12 today without some counter point to consider because you and I have greatly differing opinions.
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You and I are quite the opposite. I bought my N8000 four months ago, and despite being able to get the 2014 version, I decided not to. I will tell you why.
1/ Yes, the 10.1 2014 is more powerful, but it does not make the N8000 any less so. I moved to my N8000 from the sk17i SE Mini Pro, and the sk17i is the same powerful device as the original Galaxy S, specs-wise: 1Ghz single-core and 512MB of RAM. With the power of the -once- most powerful mobile device, it still had things that couldn't be done, why? Because the Galaxy S was the very best they could give you at its time. The best of that time was simply not sufficient, that was why people longed for more (Btw, the sk17i still completed most of the tasks I expected). When I moved to the N8000, which has four times the sk17i's specs, the tasks I gave to my device mostly remained the same: word processing (not as nicely as the sk17i with its hardware keyboard, though), web browsing and email, plus being my personal drawing canvas, and all of those have always been completed without lag. What I mean is, there was a time when even the best they could offer was not adequate, but now there exists a line in specifications that, when you cross it, it does not make any difference no matter how far you cross it. No matter how many years it has been, either. OEMs always compete; specs have outgrown the actual needs for it, CPUs and RAM outgrown what an average PC once has, and screen resolution/dpi gone beyond what the eye can see. All for the privilege to brag that "My device is better than your device", and do so for, like, a month? Now, tell me what you can't do without the 2014 version's specs, some kind of multi-gigs 3D games that you play for a few minutes each day? No problem, I will live without it.
2/ The 10.1 2014 portrays what I personally call 'Google's major design flaw' and what Samsung has to come up with to improvise: the hardware navigation buttons. I have written this multiple times, but again, since Android 4.2+, the tablet UI no longer exists (though developers still manage to pull it out from the depth of codes till its complete removal in 4.4). Since the Tab 3 generation (including the cute Note 8.0) it has been determined that Samsung tablets will operate with Android 4.2+ as the final update, so all these devices are equipped with hardware navigation buttons as preparation. As for the N8000, can you download the harware buttons from the Internet? Of course not. So if a 4.2+ update for the N8000 ever existed, it would stand out from the rest of Samsung tablets and have to be specially made. Maybe the guys at Samsung was preparing the 4.2 update when 4.3 came out. Maybe when they decided to skip 4.2 and moved to developing the 4.3 update, when suddenly 4.4 came out. Maybe they then decided to once again skip the underdeveloped 4.3 update for 4.4, or decided it was not worth the effort and abandoned ship, whatever took them that long to deliver absolutely nothing. But I can tell you, a flagship device like the N8000 having no update till now is not entirely Samsung's fault, much less the N8000's. Blame Google for releasing Android versions so quickly with little changes, user-wise (Okay, having no Tablet UI is a big change here). Whether or not there is an update remains a test of faith, or even an inside joke, remember Half-Life 3?
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With those aside, I agree with you that the 2014 version feels much more premium; it was such a pleasure holding it in my hand. The size, weight and material is admirable, especially from Samsung.

The size of the new unit rocks. And there is about where it ends. I have a TabPro 10.1 here I may return, especially since we will be getting kitkat. While the smaller size and weight is really nice, I have 2 major problems with it....
1) Stupid Physical Home Buttons. Hate it on their phones, hate it on their tabs. Especially annoying on tabs in portrait mode.
2) Our original note 10.1 has far superior multi-windowing, imo. I didn't much care for it on the Note 10.1 2014 (android 4.3) and they've changed it again in 4.4.2 on the *Pro tabs. My concern is that the kitkat update to ours is going to change it to the new method.
TabPro 10.1 returned. Just not convinced the "upgrade" actually is an upgrade to this tablet. In waiting mode

What are the options for stock Android?

I think I saw an unofficial Cyanogenmod and AOKP, no Paranoid Android yet? That's my personal favorite. I'm not requesting or trying to come off in that way, I'm just very close to purchasing a tablet and I'd like it if I had those options. So you guys know if any ROM like that are being worked on?
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There is only one really custom ROM for Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and it is only for P605 model: Cyanogenmod. That's all, others ROM are based on stocks so I wouldn't expect a huge developer support for this device. :/

Yup. CM looks promising. I hope that it is still around and will make a daily driver, once stock 4.4.2 is mega outdated. Until then i'll stick with that.
Does CM support the stylus in non-Samsung apps with stylus support?

FYI I saw that someone had a "working" CM build on the Tab S 10.5 in their CM11 thread. Tas S 10.5 is exynos and has similar internals to p600..maybe someone can port that over somehow?
Edit: There's a working CM11 port on the tab pro 10.1/12.1 models
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo1vossH1FM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...pment/cm-11-port-galaxy-tab-pro-10-1-t2850042
Any chance a dev can port these over to the p600? I think the CPU and most of the internals are the same between the tab pro and the note 10.1 2014

C2Q said:
FYI I saw that someone had a "working" CM build on the Tab S 10.5 in their CM11 thread. Tas S 10.5 is exynos and has similar internals to p600..maybe someone can port that over somehow?
Edit: There's a working CM11 port on the tab pro 10.1/12.1 models
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo1vossH1FM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...pment/cm-11-port-galaxy-tab-pro-10-1-t2850042
Any chance a dev can port these over to the p600? I think the CPU and most of the internals are the same between the tab pro and the note 10.1 2014
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Damn, all the video i was like "Hey, why is he not demonstrating the pen functionality". Now i feel stupid.

Pazzu510 said:
Damn, all the video i was like "Hey, why is he not demonstrating the pen functionality". Now i feel stupid.
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The only difference is the pen and the extra 1 gb of ram we have on our model I believe (hardware wise). I don't care so much about CM11 right now since L is around the corner. Hopefully after L comes out, someone would port over CM12 or whatever to the P600.

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The only difference is the pen and the extra 1 gb of ram we have on our model I believe (hardware wise). I don't care so much about CM11 right now since L is around the corner. Hopefully after L comes out, someone would port over CM12 or whatever to the P600.
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that is some unhealthy optimism
what I mean is, don't get your hopes up too high or you might be disappointed
I'd love to be proven wrong 'though [AOSP / CM / PA on P600 would be awesome]

r4yN said:
that is some unhealthy optimism
what I mean is, don't get your hopes up too high or you might be disappointed
I'd love to be proven wrong 'though [AOSP / CM / PA on P600 would be awesome]
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Unrealistic..I know lol. Hell I just hope Samsung brings L over officially on this. They will most likely update the Tab S and maybe the Tab Pro..so this should also hopefully get it.
I have my S5 to use for CM12

C2Q said:
Unrealistic..I know lol. Hell I just hope Samsung brings L over officially on this. They will most likely update the Tab S and maybe the Tab Pro..so this should also hopefully get it.
I have my S5 to use for CM12
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Samsung usual M.O. (modus operandii) is to bring out the Galaxy Note 10.1 2015ed... It will have the latest stuff and our 2014 ed will be left standing around with its pants around its ankles red with embarrassment...
Anyone remember the Note 10.1 (N800*)?

ultramag69 said:
Samsung usual M.O. (modus operandii) is to bring out the Galaxy Note 10.1 2015ed... It will have the latest stuff and our 2014 ed will be left standing around with its pants around its ankles red with embarrassment...
Anyone remember the Note 10.1 (N800*)?
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The thing is that n8000 was not very good from the start, screen was not god at all, processor was good but not that much, battery was meh, plastic body was cheap as it gets. There is not much to do about the note 2014 though; pro tabs came up this year as the premium option for the tablet line and they are almost the same as our beloved tablet, only with amoled display. Maybe an amoled display instead of normal lcd, maybe 64 processor, and i find it difficult they will improve the pen technology; these are the only things i find possible to improve(apart from touchwiz of course).

Pazzu510 said:
The thing is that n8000 was not very good from the start, screen was not god at all, processor was good but not that much, battery was meh, plastic body was cheap as it gets. There is not much to do about the note 2014 though; pro tabs came up this year as the premium option for the tablet line and they are almost the same as our beloved tablet, only with amoled display. Maybe an amoled display instead of normal lcd, maybe 64 processor, and i find it difficult they will improve the pen technology; these are the only things i find possible to improve(apart from touchwiz of course).
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N8000 was pretty good, yes the screen resolution wasn't super high but the images and video were very good. I get as much battery life out of the N8000 as the P605 and, considering most people get cases, didn't matter much what the body felt like as the leather case felt good anyway...
It could've easily handled the updated Android Samsung release for the P605 but never got anything over ICS (officially)...
Samsung seem to feel it's worth more in profits to release a new tablet, did we need the pro series, than to update existing hardware. Where is the financial advantage of keeping the older stuff up to date?
As for improving the pen technology, they did just that with the Note 4. Has better pressure sensitivity and writing ability than the Note 3. Anything else they'd do is really software improvements.
64 processor and 5gb of RAM would be nice though....

ultramag69 said:
N8000 was pretty good, yes the screen resolution wasn't super high but the images and video were very good. I get as much battery life out of the N8000 as the P605 and, considering most people get cases, didn't matter much what the body felt like as the leather case felt good anyway...
It could've easily handled the updated Android Samsung release for the P605 but never got anything over ICS (officially)...
Samsung seem to feel it's worth more in profits to release a new tablet, did we need the pro series, than to update existing hardware. Where is the financial advantage of keeping the older stuff up to date?
As for improving the pen technology, they did just that with the Note 4. Has better pressure sensitivity and writing ability than the Note 3. Anything else they'd do is really software improvements.
64 processor and 5gb of RAM would be nice though....
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Hey, with that I completely agree; what i didn't agree on was on the "standing around with its pants around its ankles red with embarrassment" part. Far from the internals which are pretty good on both n8000 and p600, pretty much everything from n8000 externally could have been better and I dont think that is the case with the p600. Sure, you can upgrade the pen, the cpu to 64 bits and change lcd for amoled, but those are bells and whisles for the average user we know it has not much impact for the usability overall(like the comparison you make between n8000 and p605); damn, even if anyone takes a look at those pro tabs it is difficult to differentiate it from ours and they are the premium suite right now(contrast to 2013 like our tab was). My point is, even if Samsung decides to do a new Galaxy Note, which it will because its an allmost 2 year old tab, and with the addons we discussed, we cant possibly end up in embararassment as the n8000 did with all its superfluous flaws; even more, if, as you say, Samsung is interested in business more than its interested in the best and inovative technologies I think it will be the kind of jump galaxy s3 did to s4 and a lot of advertisement; if you dont have it in your hand and examine it a little bit most people wont see the difference.
And, n8010 got 4.4 before my p600 officially, so there is that. I bet they just decided not to use the new Touchwiz because Touchwiz is the less optimized crap and not because the internals coultdn't handle it becuase, as you said, n8000 internals are pretty good.

iiDeadSeriousii said:
I think I saw an unofficial Cyanogenmod and AOKP, no Paranoid Android yet? That's my personal favorite. I'm not requesting or trying to come off in that way, I'm just very close to purchasing a tablet and I'd like it if I had those options. So you guys know if any ROM like that are being worked on?
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Just my opinion: if you're looking for a stock android option I'd go for another tablet. The note is a great product but only if you need and use the stylus. And you will probably lose at least some pen functionality with cm so I'd say it's not worth it.

Yea I'm starting to get the feeling this isn't the tablet for me. I'll just wait a few weeks for Nexus 9 then. Thanks guys.
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CM11 knows nothing about the pen. But will in-app pen support work, for the handful of apps besides the then missing Samsung ones.

lecorbusier said:
CM11 knows nothing about the pen. But will in-app pen support work, for the handful of apps besides the then missing Samsung ones.
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It should, and there are many alternatives available to the Samsung apps....

CM11 knows nothing about the pen. But will in-app pen support work, for the handful of apps besides the then missing Samsung ones.
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Pen detection with preasure sensitivity and attachment-detachment detection on the tablet still work under cm, or at least they worked on the n8000 note running cm. With those functions working, everything else is a gimmick. Multiwindow can be done with xposed and roms like omni rom, and I bet it would be a much more responsive multitasking. Omnirom works on my acer a500 for gods sake; now imagine a tablet with tegra 2 running today's Touchwiz. (Its Haloween time and we are supposed to think about ugly things). The only downside, or upside as I see it, are the gestures framework that on Touchwiz works anywhere on your tab; features like selecting anything and exporting it as an image or clicking the pen button and double tapping to open "Action Memo" wouldn't be on CM. Because of this though, pen button actually works according to the app using it. An example is Papyrus that gives you the option to change tools when the pen button is clicked. With this in mind, I would say it is worth it; Will we see it, I am not sure anymore. :crying:
Yea I'm starting to get the feeling this isn't the tablet for me. I'll just wait a few weeks for Nexus 9 then. Thanks guys.
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Still, if you want anything with stock android, samsung is the worst company to buy from.
If you want some recomendations I say the following:
Shield tablet is a nice 8 inch tablet with 64bit processor and a passive stylus technology(It has stylus but it is not as good as Spen).
Surface 3 is a nice and expencive windows tablet if you are into that(Stylus as good as SPen but with the ups and downs from windows; Also $$$$).
Nexus 9 is an expensive but well worth it, gorgeous tablet but with no known pen functionality.(No directstylus 2.0 technology that we know of; but nexus and good speakers).
Please, if anyone have comments on this suggestions let me know. I love to hear about new tablets, functions and if feature's live to their names.

Galaxy note 10.1 2014 after one year

I have owned note about one year, still play it every day, and find new functions and hidden features now and then.
Note 10.1 is so a versatile device that you can never take full advantage of it.
It is still the king of tablets at the end of 2014, and is the most underrated device in 2014(just see all the reviews at Android blogs.)
Note 10.1 is everything,
It is my camera, note 10.1 has the best camera among tablets (although most commentators just dismissed it as no so useful, and ipad air 2 suddenly changed their opinions)
It is my GPS, my note is wifi version, but can still be used as navigation device without data connection, and save phone a lot of battery power.
It is my noting and sketching book. Thanks to Lecture notes and Papyrus, I seldom use paper and pencil now. Paperless world isn't just a fiction.
It is my laptops, using Debian Jessie in chroot, and s-pen as mouse, I enjoy my geek life in two great world, Android and Linux.
I am waiting for note 10.1 2015,
64 bits computation
Multitasking perfectly implemented ( note4 already showed it)
flawless bluetooth connection
metal and slim frame
13M camera.
These are what I expect.

They should just update the software on the 2014 and we should be good but Sammy takes waaaaaay too long.

The screen still blows me away. I've owned a crapload of tablets and nothing else is really in it's class when you consider the usefulness of the SPen on something this size.
Unfortunately, Samsung is just awful with software, so a decent newer ROM is probably as good as it gets. I don't see anything out there I'd rather have.
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Has there been any rumors for when we will get Lollipop?

Before the 2016 election.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobil...spotted-in-samsung-s-own-app-listings-1270810
Waiting for this to be released. I skipped 2014 version and still on the first generation. But its too sluggish these days,,,,, Need a replacement soon.

So far, so good. Been using it for around 6 months. I have the WiFi version, which I will sell soon and get me an LTE version.
I am very happy with it. Owning an iPad Air also, make me think that the iPad is only for my wife and some fun games. Nothing else.
On the other hand, the Note has been proven a beast of a tablet. I hook it up with a BT mouse & keyboard, use Screen Mirroring to my TV and I have a nice laptop
Only thing that bothers me, is the somewhat laggy scrolling through the home pages. Hope it wont be like that with the LTE version.

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http://www.techradar.com/news/mobil...spotted-in-samsung-s-own-app-listings-1270810
Waiting for this to be released. I skipped 2014 version and still on the first generation. But its too sluggish these days,,,,, Need a replacement soon.
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I think Samsung are stepping-back and re-evaluating their products. They got killed on Galaxy S5 and having way too many Tab lines last year. I don't expect a new Note 10.1 until they can either put an 810 or their own 64bit chip in it. It will have their new look per the alpha and Note 4 lines (I immediately covered my 2014 Note 10.1 with a case, that fake stitching slippery plastic back is awful). I think we may see the new Note 10.1 (2015) around when the Tab Pro and Note 12.2 came out last year (1st quarter).

It is still cheaper to buy a Galaxy note 10.1 2014?

Bought the 2014 edition from dustinhome in norway for around $200 couple of weeks ago. was a great buy and comming from the 2012 edition its a decent upgrade.
(i know its a somewhat old thread. but i love this thing)

leyvatron said:
They should just update the software on the 2014 and we should be good but Sammy takes waaaaaay too long.
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they shouldn't play evil and they have to release our device's kernel codes ASAP,and we are fine without their trashy Touchwiz thing and their no worthy support

renux said:
they shouldn't play evil and they have to release our device's kernel codes ASAP,and we are fine without their trashy Touchwiz thing and their no worthy support
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Define fine, one of the primary reasons to buy this tablet was/is the proper use of its size (multi-window) and the S-pen. And while S-pen support in AOSP is kind of good, multi-window support (which IMO is even bigger deal, in all tablets actually) is nowhere to be found.
I'm with you, AOSP is better than any OEM rom, but AOSP mostly cares about phones, has very few (if any) tablet specific characteristics...

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Define fine, one of the primary reasons to buy this tablet was/is the proper use of its size (multi-window) and the S-pen. And while S-pen support in AOSP is kind of good, multi-window support (which IMO is even bigger deal, in all tablets actually) is nowhere to be found.
I'm with you, AOSP is better than any OEM rom, but AOSP mostly cares about phones, has very few (if any) tablet specific characteristics...
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ive seen some efforts to implement multi window!
for example Resurrection rom is among em:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../sm-p601-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t3052009
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61619511&postcount=379
not installed or tested it yet, ive downloaded it some days ago ,and still backing up my device so i can format it... not sure how itll do

renux said:
ive seen some efforts to implement multi window!
for example Resurrection rom is among em:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal.../sm-p601-cyanogenmod-12-0-unofficial-t3052009
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61619511&postcount=379
not installed or tested it yet, ive downloaded it some days ago ,and still backing up my device so i can format it... not sure how itll do
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Thanks for the heads up . I will probably try it in the following days ...

I never really liked multiwindow, so I'm fine with AOSP, multi-window always got me to windows that were too small for me, but that might be my eyesight...

To bad the build quality is junk. My display ribbon came loose a few times now and I decided to leave it at home now.
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I never really liked multiwindow, so I'm fine with AOSP, multi-window always got me to windows that were too small for me, but that might be my eyesight...
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Split-Screen basically splits the screen into two 7-inch screens, most phones (for example) are way less than that. Also the best use that I've found for it is to merely "minimize" a window. That's especially useful if it something that can't properly run in the background like youtube, so I have youtube playing, doing my thing and if I listen something that may need my attention then I simply drag the "minimized" youtube down. One last use is that when an app refers to another the original is not "closed". For example my file manager points to a doc file, when I press to open, it opens on a split screen (almost like on a PC), basically letting me to choose on whether I'd "maximize" it (all the while the file browser is still open) or "minimize" it for later use. This "omni-presence" of windows makes things much faster and direct to me than simply using the recents panel (alt+tab equivalent), although it has its issues too.
Of course the above cannot be done with "drawable" windows (like the ones that exist in AOSP roms) or the ones that can be "drawn" by the S-pen in TW roms. Like you I find them useless as those mini-windows are way too small for proper interaction.
To sum up, multi-window (mostly of the split-screen variety) is an acquired taste. For the first few months I never used it, but once it becomes part of one's "work flow" it's hard to go back. In fact lack of (proper) split-screen is what has kept me away from AOSP for this device. Every single of my devices (other than Note tablet) have been using AOSP before long...

http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...-Lollipop-Update-Confirmed-and-In-development

Is this still worth picking up? I see no 10.1 2015 or 2016 on the horizon. I played with the Tab A with s-pen and while I liked the size and features the screen is a big disappointment. Having a note 5 I guess you just get used to a clear screen. I see that 5.1.1 is out and hoping for good reviews and better battery life.
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If you get a good deal and care for the pen I would think it's still worth it! I got mine summer last year and am mostly happy with it! There is also still very good support from devs like @joshndroid who's providing us with temasek's unofficial CM13 for the tablet. Still has some issues, but I'm confident there will be a well running CM13 for it eventually. I was also very happy with temasek's CM12.1 version for it (am considering to go back to that until some of the CM13 issues are sorted). I cannot tell you much about the stock lollipop experience, as I never really used that.
I have to say that for me the ability to run a full desktop linux on it is what makes it most useful to me.
There are now a few reasonably priced windows tablets with pen support, in particular something like the Cube i7 Stylus which is pretty interesting (I'm not talking about higher classed devices like Surface or Lenovo's Thinkpad Yogas as they play in a different price league). But you should probably be able to pick up a used Note for still much cheaper and get a very nice experience.