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[Bootloader & Warranty] some clarifications you really really need to know.

few days ago i've had a discussion with an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan,
and i've asked him about HTC Policy regarding unlocking the bootloader.
when you go to the unlocking page, HTC Clearly states: "It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
seems good, isn't it? in case of hardware failure, we could use that warranty.. well.. actually.. we cannot.
Terms of use which you must agree to in order to use that service, states otherwise.
"HTC WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SERVICE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES."
you can find it @ http://www.htcdev.com/terms under "Disclaimer".
the meaning of all of this is.. when you unlock your device, you void your warranty for the device, and it doesn't matter if it was just to gain root access or whatever.
from HTC point of view, they're not liable for anything related to the device as long thats concerns them.
and seriously? thats about the time to do something about it.
im an average user, bootloader unlocking for me would be done just to gain root access so i'll be able to backup my stuff.
seems like HTC ticket out of their financial crisis was the HTC One..
as for me, im gonna wait for Samsung to release their Galaxy S4.. if it won't have their amoled screens and their "pentile matrix"
im gonna go for it
p.s.
one of the questions that was asked during that discussion was why not to let the users s-off after unlocking.. anyway.. we gave up our warranty so.. what does it matter?
we couldn't get a straight answer about it.. all we could get was something that has to do with "security risk being protected" & "protecting the code"

I have heard the complete opposite and I myself have sent a phone away twice before with an unlocked bootloader and its fine. Also samsung have protection against people flashing non samsung approved stuff. Their bootloader has the counter. Good luck with the none pentile AMOLED, I imagine it will be pentile the note device usually has the non pentile display.

HTC is refering to not being held accountable as a company. Ie. you cant sue them.
That has nothing to do with warranty.
Could be mistaken of course, feel free to correct.

ste1164 said:
I have heard the complete opposite and I myself have sent a phone away twice before with an unlocked bootloader and its fine. Also samsung have protection against people flashing non samsung approved stuff. Their bootloader has the counter. Good luck with the none pentile AMOLED, I imagine it will be pentile the note device usually has the non pentile display.
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Their bootloader has the counter, indeed.
but its S-OFF. you don't have to go through a process to perform UNLOCKING OF ANYKIND and, you can reset that counter.
means, you can use your warranty.
with htc, you cant even temp root!
Maedhros said:
HTC is refering to not being held accountable as a company. Ie. you cant sue them.
That has nothing to do with warranty.
Could be mistaken of course, feel free to correct.
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Warranty is a contract, therefor, it has everything to do with it.

p0xer said:
Their bootloader has the counter, indeed.
but its S-OFF. you don't have to go through a process to perform UNLOCKING OF ANYKIND and, you can reset that counter.
means, you can use your warranty.
with htc, you cant even temp root!
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Most if not all Qualcomm HTC devices have had S-off obtained. It was just the Tegra devices that didn't.

obtained, not issued.
thats the HUGE difference.

Companies won't openly support rooting because it gives the user access to mess with SW & HW that could easily render the device useless, but if HW fails, there's a good chance they won't be able to tell if you rooted or not, where SW failure can be addressed by community help. Even upon touchscreen failure it is possible to unroot via physical buttons (at least on some devices) so the chances of catching a non user caused issue under warranty after which you can't unroot but leaving evidence for the HTC repair team to easily spot your wrongdoing is minimal.

p0xer said:
obtained, not issued.
thats the HUGE difference.
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The fact that to get back to stock on samsung you have to obtain a way of getting rid of your flash counter which samsung is trying to make harder in getting rid of. So in terms of warranty they arent really different at all.

p0xer said:
few days ago i've had a discussion with an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan,
and i've asked him about HTC Policy regarding unlocking the bootloader.
when you go to the unlocking page, HTC Clearly states: "It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
seems good, isn't it? in case of hardware failure, we could use that warranty.. well.. actually.. we cannot.
Terms of use which you must agree to in order to use that service, states otherwise.
"HTC WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SERVICE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES."
you can find it @ http://www.htcdev.com/terms under "Disclaimer".
the meaning of all of this is.. when you unlock your device, you void your warranty for the device, and it doesn't matter if it was just to gain root access or whatever.
from HTC point of view, they're not liable for anything related to the device as long thats concerns them.
and seriously? thats about the time to do something about it.
im an average user, bootloader unlocking for me would be done just to gain root access so i'll be able to backup my stuff.
seems like HTC ticket out of their financial crisis was the HTC One..
as for me, im gonna wait for Samsung to release their Galaxy S4.. if it won't have their amoled screens and their "pentile matrix"
im gonna go for it
p.s.
one of the questions that was asked during that discussion was why not to let the users s-off after unlocking.. anyway.. we gave up our warranty so.. what does it matter?
we couldn't get a straight answer about it.. all we could get was something that has to do with "security risk being protected" & "protecting the code"
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They cant get out of warranty for the phone if it is an inherent fault. They would have to prove that you had caused it by unlocking the bootloader and modifying the software, ie over-clocking and burning the cpu out. Why would they fix anybody's that sent it back unlocked if they didn't have to?

ste1164 said:
The fact that to get back to stock on samsung you have to obtain a way of getting rid of your flash counter which samsung is trying to make harder in getting rid of. So in terms of warranty they arent really different at all.
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I have say htc to be very good even when rooted etc. all my devices have been repaired, within warranty picked up from home address and delivered.
Not sure about Samsung but they are making it more difficult to reset flash counter.

riz157 said:
I have say htc to be very good even when rooted etc. all my devices have been repaired, within warranty picked up from home address and delivered.
Not sure about Samsung but they are making it more difficult to reset flash counter.
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Hi I am getting HTC 1st time so I dont know much about their system, can you tell me how are their repairability in case it bricked or its rooted and you need to give it to service centre? how hard or easy to root, theme or custom rom on HTC devices compared to S3? and I like sense 4 style home screen and animated weather on home screen, it it possible to get exact that look and feel on HTC one? what is the procedure to in-warranty repair and how much time they sake generally?
Thanks

onlinejobwork said:
Hi I am getting HTC 1st time so I dont know much about their system, can you tell me how are their repairability in case it bricked or its rooted and you need to give it to service centre?
I've never sent my device in when it's been bricked due to rooting or flashing custom rom so I can't really tell you.
how hard or easy to root, theme or custom rom on HTC devices compared to S3?
Requires bit more work to be honest. You have to unlock boot loader firstly But it is straight forward.
and I like sense 4 style home screen and animated weather on home screen, it it possible to get exact that look and feel on HTC one?
Of course it is just requires widgets.
what is the procedure to in-warranty repair and how much time they sake generally?
Generally in my experience within 7 days, provided all parts are available etc. very good service pickup and drop off wherever you are in the country.
Thanks
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Jj

I can't understand why people are surprised that companies will void warranty upon unlocking the bootloader? A user (even experienced) can cause damage to hardware, even sometimes on purpose, to get a warranty claim.
If you damage a part in your desktop/laptop PC (due to overclocking, etc), you are liable for that part, so how is this any different?
Its irrespective if its HTC or Samsung or Sony or whatever, they must protect themselves otherwise they won't be around for much longer.
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p0xer said:
Warranty is a contract, therefor, it has everything to do with it.
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You misunderstand. HTCs "official" stance is:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
The disclaimer you highlight is them saying: If your phone blows up and hurts you due to bootloader, we cannot be held accountable. That statement has nothing to do with warranty as per my understanding.
If your phone is damaged due to hardware (not related to bootloader) then they will fix it. However, anything effected by Bootloader unlock (even indirect) will not be covered.
I believe you are simply misinterpreting their language (possible if English isn't your native language).

Maedhros said:
You misunderstand. HTCs "official" stance is:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
The disclaimer you highlight is them saying: If your phone blows up and hurts you due to bootloader, we cannot be held accountable. That statement has nothing to do with warranty as per my understanding.
If your phone is damaged due to hardware (not related to bootloader) then they will fix it. However, anything effected by Bootloader unlock (even indirect) will not be covered.
I believe you are simply misinterpreting their language (possible if English isn't your native language).
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Thats the thing.. I'm not and wasn't interpreting.
like i said, i have spoken to an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan. HE DID those interpretations.
from what HE said, you unlock your bootloader = you void your warranty and thats it.
i know its hard for people to understand that but that what he said.
i thought the same like you did, if i only rooted it.. didn't change anything in the device and my battery suddenly has gone kaput? NO WARRANTY.
because thats the meaning of their policy.
this has been told by an HTC Senior Official.

I had my Desire's motherboard replaced and I had disassembled the whole device once. The "void" stickers on screws were in pieces and it was S-OFF. It had this faulty PVT1 motherboard which had problems with CPU solderings.
No questions asked.

Well of course an official would say that. What else would you expect? An official is probably the worst person to ask that kind of contentious question. The way I read the warranty is that if you've unlocked your bootloader HTC might repair, at their discretion. It would depend on the problem. You can hardly blame them...
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p0xer said:
Thats the thing.. I'm not and wasn't interpreting.
like i said, i have spoken to an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan. HE DID those interpretations.
from what HE said, you unlock your bootloader = you void your warranty and thats it.
i know its hard for people to understand that but that what he said.
i thought the same like you did, if i only rooted it.. didn't change anything in the device and my battery suddenly has gone kaput? NO WARRANTY.
because thats the meaning of their policy.
this has been told by an HTC Senior Official.
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From my experience, HTC Has repaired non software issues previously. Believe what you would like, but I'll say it once again, the reps interpretation isn't the companies interpretation.
If I'm not mistaken, HTC has gone on record to say it would repair non software issues (too lazy to look it up atm). Some countries, in fact, require it by law.
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Think of it this way:
My Car is a new car under warranty. I put an aftermarket exhaust on it.
Lets say a year later (car is still under warranty) the engine breaks. They will repair anything NOT related to the exhaust. So, not the exhaust system, but the engine, body, etc. are covered.

The word "damages" has a very specific meaning in law. That paragraph is a general disclaimer about use of the unlocking service, and has nothing to do with the warranty.
More importantly, consumer protection law often states that the retailer is responsible, not the manufacturer, and it is impossible to sign away your statutory rights.

Rooting and warranty?

I just purchased a Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge today and I'm already inclined to start customizing it. I am the type of people who get obsessed with the variety of custom ROMs, tweaks, modifications, etc. and I was a die-hard development fan on my M7 and M8. I went for an iPhone 6 Plus for a while but now I am back and more eager than ever!
I had a Galaxy S5 for a little while (one of the worst phones I've owned, to be quite honest) and I remember there was something called "knox" or similar, which is triggered whenever you use ODIN to root or install a custom ROM, therefore voiding your warranty; is it the same case with the S7? I'm currently doing research about its development and how things work with it, but it's just an important question I haven't found an answer to yet.
With the HTC, for instance, you could do everything then just run a RUU and go back to fully stock without voiding anything.
And by the way, are there any custom ROMs you'd recommend? I was a huge fan of Viper ROM on all my HTC devices (One X, M7, M8) but I don't see that team developing for the S7.
Thank you for your time!

I can only give you info from my experience. I rooted my S6 the day I got it but after a few weeks had issues with reception. It was sent to samsung for repair who promptly returned it as the Knox counter was tripped and would not repair it under warranty. Even tried using the old EU Directive and sales of goods act but they would not budge. This was in the UK. I would say here its completely hit and miss if they will repair it so just be cautious.

Marshall1975 said:
I can only give you info from my experience. I rooted my S6 the day I got it but after a few weeks had issues with reception. It was sent to samsung for repair who promptly returned it as the Knox counter was tripped and would not repair it under warranty. Even tried using the old EU Directive and sales of goods act but they would not budge. This was in the UK. I would say here its completely hit and miss if they will repair it so just be cautious.
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Although I'm a huge fan of rooting and customizing, I'd rather be on the safe side in case anything happens. I doubt the Samsung service center technicians are actually very 'savvy' over here, however I don't think I'd like to take the risk. Am I going to be missing on a lot if I just remain stock? I'm curious.

TarekElsakka said:
Although I'm a huge fan of rooting and customizing, I'd rather be on the safe side in case anything happens. I doubt the Samsung service center technicians are actually very 'savvy' over here, however I don't think I'd like to take the risk. Am I going to be missing on a lot if I just remain stock? I'm curious.
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Ad-less Youtube, Viper Audio + Dolby + Bests Audio, Xposed and if you're into learning about how it all works; rooting will only improve your understanding and overall enjoyment of your phone!

Voiding your warranty can be very country dependent. Where I live, if I root my phone, then if I have a hardware issue then legally they have to honor the warranty. Samsung will still try and tell you that it's not covered but will fold when pressed. On the other hand if I rooted and bricked the phone permanently, then I am on my own.

Evil-Santa said:
Voiding your warranty can be very country dependent. Where I live, if I root my phone, then if I have a hardware issue then legally they have to honor the warranty. Samsung will still try and tell you that it's not covered but will fold when pressed. On the other hand if I rooted and bricked the phone permanently, then I am on my own.
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Thanks for your replies, gentlemen. I'm assuming the way to go would be either TWRP > CF-AutoRoot (or whatever is available right now) to root stock ROM or TWRP > Custom ROM, correct?
And is Xposed fully compatible with the latest firmware? 6.0.1 that is.

TarekElsakka said:
Thanks for your replies, gentlemen. I'm assuming the way to go would be either TWRP > CF-AutoRoot (or whatever is available right now) to root stock ROM or TWRP > Custom ROM, correct?
And is Xposed fully compatible with the latest firmware? 6.0.1 that is.
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Most of samsung phones are rootable using twrp>cf auto root.
Flash xposed.zip from twrp.
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Evil-Santa said:
Voiding your warranty can be very country dependent. Where I live, if I root my phone, then if I have a hardware issue then legally they have to honor the warranty. Samsung will still try and tell you that it's not covered but will fold when pressed. On the other hand if I rooted and bricked the phone permanently, then I am on my own.
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Hey,
I noticed your in Australia. I used to have the same understanding as you.
I have an interesting thread on Whirpool on the exact subject, and have a current pending NCAT case before the court against Samsung for this exact same issue! They have refused to fix my S7 Edge display with what they have admitted to being a manufacturing defect, because the knox counter is tripped. And no, they haven't folded....Yet

MementoM said:
I'm not so much worried about the warranty as I'm worried about these mobile games. A lot are specifically looking for the root access in your phone and blocking it or simply just banning you based on having root even if you don't cheat. Xposed, Xprivacy, Root Cloak no longer work to hide it. It's depressing especially if you pay some of these game companies and log in one day to find you've been banned for nothing. It's their game you agree to their ToS but it really sucks because I've always loved changing my phone up. Now my hands are tied /sigh and it looks like my rooting days are over if I want to continue playing these root detection games.
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That's really weird, though. What if you're a developer who roots their device for development or whatever other purposes that are 'legal'? Do they still have the right to block your access? I've honestly never heard of that before. However, on iOS you cannot really play Pokemon Go if your device is jailbroken, unless you install a masking tweak like Masterball, so you may be right.
I'm not much of a gamer on mobile phones so I am not really focused on that, however I am thinking about the warranty issue.

ih8un said:
Hey,
I noticed your in Australia. I used to have the same understanding as you.
I have an interesting thread on Whirpool on the exact subject, and have a current pending NCAT case before the court against Samsung for this exact same issue! They have refused to fix my S7 Edge display with what they have admitted to being a manufacturing defect, because the knox counter is tripped. And no, they haven't folded....Yet
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It was some time ago that I dealt with Samsung and Knox was not involved so their stance might have changed. Still was not a pleasant experience.
Are you taking the case to court directly yourself or is it going via the ACCC?
Let us know how it goes. I'm interested to hear the results.

Is losing the warranty worth rooting? Is it ever not a good choice?

I have been rooting my phone ever since my first Android years ago (HTC Incredible). I'm not too wild with the customizations, basically root it to make minor GUI changes, overclock at times just out of mere curiosity and boredom for when I want to have fun, and to remove the bloatware. So basically, I never really have used a custom ROM. Whether it was the Note 4 with the one click root app, or using a program on my PC with the original rom for the LG G2.
My question though... Is there much to worry about when I trigger Knox in my S7 edge and lose warranty? I pay for Asurion insurance* (yes, it's overpriced but it's a luxury I like to retain) but would there be a scenario where having a valid warranty would be beneficial? I remember back years ago there were times when my phone broke and I got a brand new phone through warranty* (avoiding insurance - which means not having to pay a deductible).
Is what I use root for worth the loss of warranty?
Thank you for your time guys!

One aspect to keep in mind is Samsung pay. From what I understand, Samsung Pay will not work once Knox is tripped. This mat not matter to you if you dont care to use Pay, but it may affect resale of the phone if someone interested did want Pay. Thats a negative I can think of. Just my 2 cents.
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kabreu said:
I have been rooting my phone ever since my first Android years ago (HTC Incredible). I'm not too wild with the customizations, basically root it to make minor GUI changes, overclock at times just out of mere curiosity and boredom for when I want to have fun, and to remove the bloatware. So basically, I never really have used a custom ROM. Whether it was the Note 4 with the one click root app, or using a program on my PC with the original rom for the LG G2.
My question though... Is there much to worry about when I trigger Knox in my S7 edge and lose warranty? I pay for Asurion insurance* (yes, it's overpriced but it's a luxury I like to retain) but would there be a scenario where having a valid warranty would be beneficial? I remember back years ago there were times when my phone broke and I got a brand new phone through warranty* (avoiding insurance - which means not having to pay a deductible).
Is what I use root for worth the loss of warranty?
Thank you for your time guys!
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We can't tell. That's your own decision. We don't know your financial situation, we don't know how you would benefit from a rooted device. So; If you can afford to repair the device with your own money + if you'd benefit a lot from rooting it, go ahead. If both scenarios are not applicable to you, the don't.

I've always rooted my phones except this last one because there was no root. But after using it as is for 1/2 year I'm actually ok with it. Samsung pay and a couple of other things that never worked on rooted devices work ok. I already used the warranty once so that's good. And my main reason for rooting it was adaway and titanium backup. But now there are a few apps that block ads in the browser and don't require root. And they work ok for the most part. Lack of backup is not great but I learned to work around this using samsung and google. And only needed to use it once when changed the phone. Otherwise I am enjoying it. It updates itself while not loosing any data, everything works, warranty is there and I don't get too many ads. I hardly have 1-2 apps that give me ads and that I use maybe once a month so that doesn't bother me anymore.

Its a personal choice... I dont use custom roms mainly because they dont work, the only one I used was a a stock rom for the note 4 that was deodexed, the rest of the roms alwas have some sort of problem, cam doesnt work, led doesnt work, battery drain, crashes, etc, etc, etc, just read every rom thread, no one is fully working.
I rooted the phone to make the battery last longer. Some days ago I unrooted the phone to play pokemon go with my kid and android poped up an alert notifying that my device was slow... and ofcourse iit was slow because of the stupid apps that im not using that are running in background alone.

Going back to the early years of Android, there were many compelling reasons to root your device.
As time has passed, the "stock" experience has got better and better, and the number of reasons to root has definitely got smaller.
Personally, I've not rooted any of my devices since the Note 3, and I've had many since then.
I know some people like to root as soon as a device leaves the box, but my advice these days is to use a device stock for a period before making any decisions on rooting.
Regards,
Dave
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[Question] What is knox and is it worth to keep?

So after some years I came back to a Samsung Smartphone. And while searching for a method to root my phone, I triped over all the discussions about knox, that/if you lose it etc.
My question here is: For which situations should I keep knox and therefore my phone unrooted? Is it really neccessary? Will I have more good or bad out of it, compared to a "custom system"?
What I know: Knox is a safety feature, that keeps your system kinda semi sandboxed. It is neccessary to use some features like Samsung Pay or sth. and also to get some guarantee stuff done.
What I DON'T know: I never felt really "unsafe" or had some sensible files on my phone. Also had never big repairs or waranty probs with my device. And I don't plan to use Samsung Pay and stuff (old man, modern stuff *lol*). So I don't know which other benefits I would have out of it.
And especially: For which kind of problems you would lose the waranty?

If you intend to keep the phone forever then just trip the counter, if intend to sell it later on, better not, the next buyer might want this feature, currently in mine country only this model, note 5, s7, s7 edge has it.

Should I care about my warranty?

Should I wait until my warranty expires?
I don't drop my phone, almost never.
But since I've been modding and "ROMing" my phones since I started using Android, I was wondering is Samsung's warrranty (my first Samsung) useful to have or should I just dive in and start downloading all those great ROMs (I know, it's all personal preference)?
Basically the question would be would you guys advise on rooting prior to warranty expire date or wait until the "mentioned" date (I've got almost a full year left)?

Sorry for the wrong section of J5, I just realized it -.-

The_LLH said:
Should I wait until my warranty expires?
I don't drop my phone, almost never.
But since I've been modding and "ROMing" my phones since I started using Android, I was wondering is Samsung's warrranty (my first Samsung) useful to have or should I just dive in and start downloading all those great ROMs (I know, it's all personal preference)?
Basically the question would be would you guys advise on rooting prior to warranty expire date or wait until the "mentioned" date (I've got almost a full year left)?
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After I got my Huawei Nova, I hesitated to root it for like 1 week or so just because i was afraid that I may encounter some problems with the phone itself since it is my first Huawei phone. Now it is rooted and guess what: I read that on Huawei we still have warranty after we relock the bootloader by reinstalling stock ROM, since there isn't any counter like on Samsung (Knox 0x1). I would have rooted it even if there would have been a counter.
I guess you already know what advantages has a rooted phone or that installing custom ROMs (like the famous CyanogenMod, now called LineageOS) or custom kernels can improve your phone and have a better experience.
Why to give up these? For a warranty? I rather enjoy my phone and use it the way I want, to it's full capability. And you know what? Android smartphones aren't really "smart phones". You can make them really smart by rooting them.
I still have my first Android smartphone, Samsung Galaxy Y which is old and still alive without any problem. But it isn't being used since 1-2 years or so (it's battery is dead, but is replaceable though and also it's quite old and slow). It was rooted, overclocked and God knows how many times I've flashed ROMs .
I also have my previous phone (before I got J5 2015), the Samsung Galaxy S Advance, which is also alive. With this one I had a problem. When I've been running AOSP 4.4 (custom rom and rooted) and browsing, the phone suddenly froze and after I've powered it off, I couldn't power it on anymore. I still had some months left of the two years warranty. Then I went to Samsung service and they've said that motherboard is dead and got a free repair.
After owning 3 Samsung phones, I can tell that they're quite durable phones. However, I don't think I'll ever buy one because it's running Crapwiz.
Go on and root your phone, without looking back.
And if you have J500F or J500FN and the downgraded camera quality or slower charging time of LineageOS, Snapchat video recording and FM-Radio bugs aren't a problem for you, then try LineageOS 13 (which is an updated version of CyanogenMod 13) and you won't regret.

The_LLH said:
Should I wait until my warranty expires?
I don't drop my phone, almost never.
But since I've been modding and "ROMing" my phones since I started using Android, I was wondering is Samsung's warrranty (my first Samsung) useful to have or should I just dive in and start downloading all those great ROMs (I know, it's all personal preference)?
Basically the question would be would you guys advise on rooting prior to warranty expire date or wait until the "mentioned" date (I've got almost a full year left)?
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Warranty doesent cover dropped phones, broken displays unless you paid more for Screen insuarance / protection.
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#Henkate said:
After I got my Huawei Nova, I hesitated to root it for like 1 week or so just because i was afraid that I may encounter some problems with the phone itself since it is my first Huawei phone. Now it is rooted and guess what: I read that on Huawei we still have warranty after we relock the bootloader by reinstalling stock ROM, since there isn't any counter like on Samsung (Knox 0x1). I would have rooted it even if there would have been a counter.
I guess you already know what advantages has a rooted phone or that installing custom ROMs (like the famous CyanogenMod, now called LineageOS) or custom kernels can improve your phone and have a better experience.
Why to give up these? For a warranty? I rather enjoy my phone and use it the way I want, to it's full capability. And you know what? Android smartphones aren't really "smart phones". You can make them really smart by rooting them.
I still have my first Android smartphone, Samsung Galaxy Y which is old and still alive without any problem. But it isn't being used since 1-2 years or so (it's battery is dead, but is replaceable though and also it's quite old and slow). It was rooted, overclocked and God knows how many times I've flashed ROMs .
I also have my previous phone (before I got J5 2015), the Samsung Galaxy S Advance, which is also alive. With this one I had a problem. When I've been running AOSP 4.4 (custom rom and rooted) and browsing, the phone suddenly froze and after I've powered it off, I couldn't power it on anymore. I still had some months left of the two years warranty. Then I went to Samsung service and they've said that motherboard is dead and got a free repair.
After owning 3 Samsung phones, I can tell that they're quite durable phones. However, I don't think I'll ever buy one because it's running Crapwiz.
Go on and root your phone, without looking back.
And if you have J500F or J500FN and the downgraded camera quality or slower charging time of LineageOS, Snapchat video recording and FM-Radio bugs aren't a problem for you, then try LineageOS 13 (which is an updated version of CyanogenMod 13) and you won't regret.
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there are people who got their device fixed even tho the counter said 0x1

In European Union knox 0x1 doesn't break your warranty.
Repair service may still try to screw you over though, so you should prepare given EU directive that talks about case like this. It's been laying around xda for a while.

Insightfull
thanks guys
I'm just gonna do it.
Don't know why I waited in the first place,
this touchwiz is... something
Besides I see Lineage OS is on the way (I've got J510FN) so that with some tweaks is probably going to satisfy my needs.

#Henkate Lol
I still have my first Android smartphone, Samsung Galaxy Y which is old and still alive without any problem.
I still have that device!! Actually the single sim and the dual sim version too. First battery is dead but the dual sim is alive and kicking!!! Lol

#Henkate said:
After I got my Huawei Nova, I hesitated to root it for like 1 week or so just because i was afraid that I may encounter some problems with the phone itself since it is my first Huawei phone. Now it is rooted and guess what: I read that on Huawei we still have warranty after we relock the bootloader by reinstalling stock ROM, since there isn't any counter like on Samsung (Knox 0x1). I would have rooted it even if there would have been a counter.
I guess you already know what advantages has a rooted phone or that installing custom ROMs (like the famous CyanogenMod, now called LineageOS) or custom kernels can improve your phone and have a better experience.
Why to give up these? For a warranty? I rather enjoy my phone and use it the way I want, to it's full capability. And you know what? Android smartphones aren't really "smart phones". You can make them really smart by rooting them.
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Man you deserve a reward for this reply.
Samsung is kind a phone that just needs to be rooted, either for debloating it (since without it, it becomes unusable and laggy) or either for custom roms
Koloses said:
In European Union knox 0x1 doesn't break your warranty.
Repair service may still try to screw you over though, so you should prepare given EU directive that talks about case like this. It's been laying around xda for a while.
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And yes, actually, my friend bought Huawei P9 brand new, just when it came out on market and it came with that special kind of warranty (the one that even if you break your device, like display or something, the service must repair it for you for free. The only one thing that breaks the warranty is root.
So two week after my friend bought it, he rooted it and he was messing with the speakers sound, and he somehow completly blew them they couldn't work anymore, he knew that they wouldn't do anything since phone is rooted, so he flashed a faulty kernel (my idea lol) and after that the phone wouldn't turn on no matter what.
He just took the phone to service and said he dropped the phone, they told him that the motherboard is most likely damaged from fall, and guess what they gave him a completly brand new P9
he never rooted again but he did buy me a lot of beers during that week

haha I'll have to try that

Lol i have a similar story, basically my first andoid phone was a ZTE Blade 3 and i started putting all kinds of roms in it, until i put a rom from another ZTE (different cpu than mine) The device wouldnt even budge when i hold the power key anymore but i still had like some months of warranty, and they replaced the motherboard for free XD

Koloses said:
In European Union knox 0x1 doesn't break your warranty.
Repair service may still try to screw you over though, so you should prepare given EU directive that talks about case like this. It's been laying around xda for a while.
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Are you talking about the fact that I have a warranty with the shop/company that sold it to me, not Samsung itself? From what I read around XDA that is the case, right?

The_LLH said:
Are you talking about the fact that I have a warranty with the shop/company that sold it to me, not Samsung itself? From what I read around XDA that is the case, right?
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So u have a one year warranty from Samsung and should have another year from the shop you bought it from

infixremix said:
So u have a one year warranty from Samsung and should have another year from the shop you bought it from
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I got 24months from store ?