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recent ota update forced

is this happening to everyone? Wasn't going to install or even acknowledge that there was an update, because of the boot loader. But i plug it into a charger and 5 minutes later, it is like the phone is giving me the middle finger and accepting the update on it's own, without any question on if i want to or not.
My phone feels violated.
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Same thing happened to me. O well not ready just yet to brick my s4 lol
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tried everything i could to stop it, even removed battery as it started the update. was hoping for a brick, don't know why. lol, also not to worried about bricking mine, i am fairly confident in my ability to read, unless the thread is in some language other than english, but then again, now i got s translate!
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You would of had to freeze the ota update apps before hand not to be forced to get it
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Could you please let me know which services to freez with TB on At&t S4 as to avoid forced updates, is it At&T Software Update V 42_1_1303_5_1?
Alos please excuse my noobiness, this is my first android and coming from apple jailbreaks, I of coarse was not happy with closed phone policy so i was researching root options (which i know very little about since its my first android platform). Anyways long story short I rooted using motochopper exploit and got superuser. My questions are:
1. Is motochopper a real root or just tricks the phone into thinking its root?
2. Read about a bootloader hack soon to be released...what exactly is that and what will it give us? also what would be the difference between the motochopper "root" i have on my S4 now and the bootloader hack to be released?
3. Got Ram Manager but was unable to create backup recovery since clockwork mod is not yet released for S4, is that true or is there other ways to use Rom manager?
4. And the last but not least, what should a noob user like myself do, or how can we avoid bricking our phones now that we rooted (with motochopper) or will use the boot-loader hack?
5. is Samsung.Cloud Data Relay 2.1.4 responsible in anyways for forced updates?
Please if you can answer any or all questions I would be so grateful, as im sure many other noobs like myself would be. Please don't think I don't research the subject, its just when you are new to something, you always want to be sure. I am sure logic is to be used and common sense also as to not mess with software service or delete stuff you don't know as to avoid bricking but is there something else to watch out for?
Thnks a million guys
Stokem

unlocking the bootloader will allow us to flash an alternate recovery such as clockwork or twrp and then flash a rom. best bet to avoid a brick is to read everything you can about what you want to do. make sure you read any instructions several times before doing anything to make sure you understand.
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p1gp3n said:
unlocking the bootloader will allow us to flash an alternate recovery such as clockwork or twrp and then flash a rom. best bet to avoid a brick is to read everything you can about what you want to do. make sure you read any instructions several times before doing anything to make sure you understand.
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thank you, will there be some custom roms developed for S4 once the bootloader is unlocked or is there some good once already?
also, i read that since AtT can force updates it might patch the bootloader unlock in the future, which processes do we have to freeze in order to avoid it on Att S4. I couldn't find any SDM processes as explained for other S4 carriers. Is it At&T Software Update V 42_1_1303_5_1, do you know by any chance?

I would imagine that roms will be developed & released, but can not say they definitely will.
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Once the bootloader is unlocked Roms will come fast and furious.
To avoid future updates freeze in TB:
AT&T software update
FWUpgrade
LocalFOTA

thank you for your replies. much appreciated

How many ppl are not going to Root

I've been using this phone for a little over a week now (T-Mobile US version) and I don't feel an immediate need to root and throw a custom Rom on this bad boy.
When first got my GS3 I rooted and put CM on it within the first hour. Is anyone in a similar position where you don't feel nagging need to root?
Not saying I won't root or Rom this phone but so far I'm cool with the out of box experience
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I've had the Z for about 4 months now and haven't had much of a desire to root it. The only real reason would be to mod the softkeys or something. The phone does everything I really need it to do; I can't find a problem that rooting would fix at the moment. I haven't had much of a desire to root my last two phones actually (Xperia Z, Razr Maxx), don't know if I'm just getting lazy or the phones are just more functional these days without root.
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jesusprice said:
I've been using this phone for a little over a week now (T-Mobile US version) and I don't feel an immediate need to root and throw a custom Rom on this bad boy.
When first got my GS3 I rooted and put CM on it within the first hour. Is anyone in a similar position where you don't feel nagging need to root?
Not saying I won't root or Rom this phone but so far I'm cool with the out of box experience
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I rooted my XZ as soon as I got it, it's up to you though. You can always unroot it, I think...

I've been very happy with the original rom because I prefer it to other oem roms. I like the cleanliness and the simplicity. Plus, I don't want to root because it'll affect specialized features unique to Sony such as the Mobile Bravia engine.

Rooting and unlocking BL is not the same.
Root does not affect the bravia engine BL unlocking does...
With root you can get special features like call blocker, LBE Security master Bloat remover and you can unroot if have a problem
BL unlock yes you could lock it back and you can have bravia working again, BUT YOU CANNOT REMOVE YOUR IMEI FROM SONY'S OUT OF WARRANTY LIST.

I rooted my phone for CWM, Titanium backup and greenify and more importantly, the loud sound mod.
Rooting is so easy and it doesn't void the warranty so I see no point in not doing it lol

TamSE3P said:
I've been very happy with the original rom because I prefer it to other oem roms. I like the cleanliness and the simplicity. Plus, I don't want to root because it'll affect specialized features unique to Sony such as the Mobile Bravia engine.
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Same here I'm quite satisfied with the stock rom everything is great & I don't want to root

rooting was the first thing I did, how else can I restore my titanium backup from my previous phone lol.couldn't imagine not having a rooted phone, the stock rom is fine though and I haven't messed with that.
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Going to root after my warranty gets over
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Any one have a link to the root method for the 6606 t-mobile Z and the cwm?
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I would've rooted because I wanted to maybe try Cyanogenmod and remove bloatware but I wasn't sure about it voiding warranty and stuff, when I asked people only said if you have to ask that you don't need to root. Looks like I can, so I'll try DooMLords easy root kit.

@Damented i just used this exploit from Doomlords and it works http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2327472. phone is rooted! yaaay! i installed NoBloat from the appstore and deleted the carrieriQ system app and it rebooted the phone automatically as soon as it was deleted.. hmm. i wonder if theres a way to make sure its not lurking inside the phone still

iDroid8 said:
I would've rooted because I wanted to maybe try Cyanogenmod and remove bloatware but I wasn't sure about it voiding warranty and stuff, when I asked people only said if you have to ask that you don't need to root. Looks like I can, so I'll try DooMLords easy root kit.
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Cyanogenmod requires a custom kernel, and thus, requires your bootloader to be unlocked.
Keep in mind that root does not equal bootloader unlocked. If your device is bought from a carrier (T Mobile, for example) you won't be able to install CM or its derivatives due to the lack of ability to unlock the bootloader.

I had everything installed on my PC to root & BLU 4 weeks before i got my fone

You can be happy with stock sony rom and feels the need to root, root access has nothing to do with ROM !
You won't void your warranty and you won't lost NOTHING!
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flipmyx said:
@Damented i just used this exploit from Doomlords and it works http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2327472. phone is rooted! yaaay! i installed NoBloat from the appstore and deleted the carrieriQ system app and it rebooted the phone automatically as soon as it was deleted.. hmm. i wonder if theres a way to make sure its not lurking inside the phone still
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you need the definitive mount reboot fix by NUT, otherwise the XZ will reboot as soon as you make an operation in /system.
You had carrieriQ in stock rom ?
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iDroid8 said:
when I asked people only said if you have to ask that you don't need to root
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read this, like the title says, all info for xperia's are there : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2153167

pjgowtham said:
Going to root after my warranty gets over
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Rooting doesn't void your warranty but unlocking the bootloader does :good:

I'm not rooting my phone - I don't really need to do that, and there are some important apps like Barclays Mobile that refuse to work on rooted phones. So count me as one.

I just got black one yesterday and tried root today with Bin4ry v31 but it seems to be stuck at white display test and running batch file at
"/data/local/tmp/onload.sh ..."
I think t-mobile xperia z need something new to be rooted.
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Any one have a link to the root method for the 6606 t-mobile Z and the cwm?
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Don't root. The modded firmwares are not worth the effort, I tried most of them. CM 10.1 is nice, as long as you don't need the phone's camera - no HDR
You can simply disable not wanted apps with a stock phone just fine. Overclocking is also useless, the Z throttles down way too quick
Sorry thought you meant bootloader unlocking!

I held out until yesterday, as I've not rooted a phone before,complete noob of the highest order, now I'm rooted with dual recovery running monxrom and pureinfinity sound mod, changed all my icons in nav bar and bottom bar via monx mods, may change fonts if I find one I like.

[Q] New S4 with MF3 - Harmful to root?

I recently got a new S4 at the store, and of course, it came with MF3.
My question is, if I choose to root it, which I would really like to, would this potentially block my ability to utilize a future exploit in the bootloader or otherwise negatively impact the phone?
I know I can't un-root the phone for the time being, which is fine, but I would like to root it if there won't be any future issues.

Why would you think there would be issues with a future bootloader exploit?
Root has nothing to do with the bootloaders. If there were ever to be issues, it would be addressed and fixed before it goes public.
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just remember that if you root, and your device takes a poop, you wont have odin as option to fix it nor will you have a backup to restore it since you wont have a custom recovery. dont root if you dont think you'd know how to get it back up and going again. read up. cheers.

graydiggy said:
Why would you think there would be issues with a future bootloader exploit?
Root has nothing to do with the bootloaders. If there were ever to be issues, it would be addressed and fixed before it goes public.
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Yeah, as you can see I'm not very knowledgeable about the way the phones work and how these exploits deal with the phone software. But I appreciate the info that rooting won't mess with that kind of thing.
xBeerdroiDx said:
just remember that if you root, and your device takes a poop, you wont have odin as option to fix it nor will you have a backup to restore it since you wont have a custom recovery. dont root if you dont think you'd know how to get it back up and going again. read up. cheers.
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I guess I'm wondering what could cause my device to take a poop if I simply root it and install Titanium Backup and some other root apps. Yeah, I've been trying to read up ever since I became a member a couple days ago.
I appreciate the advice, guys. Thanks!

there's a hundred threads spread out over the last couple weeks of people asking what they can do to fix their devices. people that were on MF3, rooted, and suddenly there was a glitch somewhere. whether they deleted something they shouldnt have, installed something they shouldnt have, some random misc unforeseen error, etc.
if i were a user that had a very introductory-level of android knowledge, it would be a no brainer for me: having no root on my device vs having no way to backup/restore via a custom recovery and no odin. i choose stock/unrooted. just keep your eyes peeled. when there is finally an exploit, you'll see it here on xda.

To root or not to root

To root or not to root
After my last bad experience and also after reading how some have faced issues after rooting their note 3 I was wondering if rooting has any adverse effects on the phones functionality. What are cons of rooting?
There's bit of lag on note 3 which is really annoying for such a beast.
Any advice would be much appreciated thanks
I own N9005 model from O2 unlocked.

riz157 said:
To root or not to root
After my last bad experience and also after reading how some have faced issues after rooting their note 3 I was wondering if rooting has any adverse effects on the phones functionality. What are cons of rooting?
There's bit of lag on note 3 which is really annoying for such a beast.
Any advice would be much appreciated thanks
I own N9005 model from O2 unlocked.
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There is an update from Samsung that should fix the lag.

I would wait until a good (really) good rom is out

elias2204 said:
There is an update from Samsung that should fix the lag.
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No update available for my model unfortunately.

CoolDevelopment said:
I would wait until a good (really) good rom is out
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Hmmm....are current roms poor or no improvement?

I've rooted my phone and hence sacrificed the ability to get OTA update from Samsung... but still, in my opinion, it really depends on the user own personal preference. I root my phone because there's a lot of apps that I am using requires root access (tasker, xposed, etc)...
There are currently not too many custom roms available for note 3 yet (as far as i know), better wait for a while if you're planning on rooting simply for the sake of flashing new rom. :good:

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I've rooted my phone and hence sacrificed the ability to get OTA update from Samsung... but still, in my opinion, it really depends on the user own personal preference. I root my phone because there's a lot of apps that I am using requires root access (tasker, xposed, etc)...
There are currently not too many custom roms available for note 3 yet (as far as i know), better wait for a while if you're planning on rooting simply for the sake of flashing new rom. :good:
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But for a popular device like taht i won't take too long

I'm tossing up the same thing and wondering if anyone can answer this question. If I flash back to stock firmware after rooting will device status revert to official thus allowing me to have ota updates again or does setting the knox flag mean I will be system status modified forever?
I know knox flag can't be reverted but what about system status?
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jigzopuzzle said:
I've rooted my phone and hence sacrificed the ability to get OTA update from Samsung... but still, in my opinion, it really depends on the user own personal preference. I root my phone because there's a lot of apps that I am using requires root access (tasker, xposed, etc)...
There are currently not too many custom roms available for note 3 yet (as far as i know), better wait for a while if you're planning on rooting simply for the sake of flashing new rom. :good:
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Same here.
Although I'd liked to get a good recovery, too. I just rooted with stock recovery, so I can't make a full nand-backup so far. I tried xposed yesterday, but it didn't work. And as long as there isn't a working recovery option (except for going back to stock and installing my apps again vs. installing the full OS including apps and settings), I probably won't try xposed again. But I do miss the "skip tracks with volume rocker" feature.

Mikegrmn said:
Same here.
Although I'd liked to get a good recovery, too. I just rooted with stock recovery, so I can't make a full nand-backup so far. I tried xposed yesterday, but it didn't work. And as long as there isn't a working recovery option (except for going back to stock and installing my apps again vs. installing the full OS including apps and settings), I probably won't try xposed again. But I do miss the "skip tracks with volume rocker" feature.
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According to this website xposed should work? Are you using version 2.2?
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Which is the safest way to root please?
My main reason for rooting is to reduce lag and install custom ROMs, at the moment their aren't many ROMs to choose from but I'm sure it won't be too long before that changes.
Also My phone is from o2 and they are one of the carriers who still have their ugly logo bootup at startup, shut down which is very annoying.
Also if things go wrong I can still revert back to stock via Odin?
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Auto root by chainfire is the safest and easiest way ti root.
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riz157 said:
Which is the safest way to root please?
My main reason for rooting is to reduce lag and install custom ROMs, at the moment their aren't many ROMs to choose from but I'm sure it won't be too long before that changes.
Also My phone is from o2 and they are one of the carriers who still have their ugly logo bootup at startup, shut down which is very annoying.
Also if things go wrong I can still revert back to stock via Odin?
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Rooting or putting a custom rom(based on touchwiz) won't probably change anything.
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Yes that's true simply rooting wont get rid of lag however my main questions are which is the safest way to root and would I be able to flash generic rom via Odin? It's been awhile since I used Odin.
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Ever time I consider rooting I come across post were user bricked phone. This is really of putting don't fancy bricking my phone. However can't do with lag which is very annoying.
Which is the simplest and safest method of rooting?
Not worried about knox my Model N9005 on MJ3 FW, unlocked version from the UK. Thanks

Rooting does not brick your phone. Only users who don't read the instructions properly bricks their phones.
I have been rooting andriod phones since Samsung S2 with no bricks.
Rooting gives you 'Admin' rights on your phone and I want / need that to have full control of my device.
Rooting does not stop OTA updates but you will need to re-root for every new update.
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I had the same dilemma. I rooted my Note 1, flashed mods & ROMs, and it was eventually what I wanted. It was, however, locked in that version. I had no time to play with it any more, so left it.
On buying the Note 3, I flashed a stock ROM for the Note 1, got the updates, and it was much better than what I had customised. I guess I had my customised ROM earlier than any OTA update, so did benefit.
The other aspect is a firewall. You can now block apps from Mobile data access (although it is tedious), but not from WiFi access. You can, however, block the access that apps have to your data (although also tedious), so at least you may be safer.
Finally, we have the bloatware on the device. This generation of Andoid seems a bit better behaved than previous ones, and I can disable a lot of the stock apps, which is good. I am not finding any wakelocks (or at least not a great deal), and battery life is very good overall.
So, for me, I would like to have a firewall, but as for the rest of the system, it is perfectly good for me, and I have no current plans to root this device.

What's the easiest way of disabling stock apps such as trip advisor, flipboard, ant bloatware etc?
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dholms said:
What's the easiest way of disabling stock apps such as trip advisor, flipboard, ant bloatware etc?
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Unfortunately some of the ones you listed cannot be turned off in the app manager. Many other apps, can however be turned off. Once I rooted I deleted most of the third party nonsense and froze most of the extra Samsung apps.

Techweed said:
Unfortunately some of the ones you listed cannot be turned off in the app manager. Many other apps, can however be turned off. Once I rooted I deleted most of the third party nonsense and froze most of the extra Samsung apps.
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Do you keep Knox counter at 0x0 if you fiddle with deleting stock apps?
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[Q] What will happen if I update to 4.4 while still rooted?

I am currently on system version 9.30.1 and I am rooted. My boot loader isn't unlocked and I don't have a custom recovery installed. I am wondering if being rooted will cause issues once the 4.4 update is released. And if so how do I remove root?
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Well, since you are rooted, chances are you have probably removed some of the bloat that was installed on your phone by your provider. If this is so, you won't even be able to update to 4.4 unless you first return your phone completely to stock, ie add all the bloat back in. If your phone is not stock, you can remove updater.apk and you won't even be prompted for the update.
If you are completely stock and rooted, when you accept the update to 4.4, once the upgrade completes, you simply will not be rooted anymore. This is true whether you have a locked or an unlocked bootloader. With the unlocked bootloader and a custom recovery, it may be possible to have root if the one in the recovery works with 4.4 Otherwise, we will all have to wait until if/when root becomes available for Android 4.4 and our phone. This is why it is often recommended that you wait to update until the devs have a chance to tear the update apart and look for usable exploits.

Some what on the same topic... I made a back up after unlocking before doing anything... Could I restore said back up flash stock recovery voodoo my root and ota... Or would I still have to rsd then ota?
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ezknives said:
Some what on the same topic... I made a back up after unlocking before doing anything... Could I restore said back up flash stock recovery voodoo my root and ota... Or would I still have to rsd then ota?
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Yes, you can flash your backup and then take the OTA, but you don't need voodoo if you're unlocked. Re-flash recovery and then flash root.

netizenmt said:
Well, since you are rooted, chances are you have probably removed some of the bloat that was installed on your phone by your provider. If this is so, you won't even be able to update to 4.4 unless you first return your phone completely to stock, ie add all the bloat back in. If your phone is not stock, you can remove updater.apk and you won't even be prompted for the update.
If you are completely stock and rooted, when you accept the update to 4.4, once the upgrade completes, you simply will not be rooted anymore. This is true whether you have a locked or an unlocked bootloader. With the unlocked bootloader and a custom recovery, it may be possible to have root if the one in the recovery works with 4.4 Otherwise, we will all have to wait until if/when root becomes available for Android 4.4 and our phone. This is why it is often recommended that you wait to update until the devs have a chance to tear the update apart and look for usable exploits.
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Thanks, I am rooted and didnt touch any of the bloatware. I bought the phone in an non-unlockable state, 9.30.1, so I just want some form of kit-kat on this. In an un-xda like fashion im probably going to just take the update ASAP.

AKShotgun said:
Thanks, I am rooted and didnt touch any of the bloatware. I bought the phone in an non-unlockable state, 9.30.1, so I just want some form of kit-kat on this. In an un-xda like fashion im probably going to just take the update ASAP.
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Being locked & rooted you will lose root perhaps forever.

aviwdoowks said:
Being locked & rooted you will lose root perhaps forever.
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A lot of guess work.. considering first off that 4.4 hasn't been provided. If it was provided will you be the first to jump?

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A lot of guess work.. considering first off that 4.4 hasn't been provided. If it was provided will you be the first to jump?
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I have 442 already and boy is it fast!
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But I cannot root on the X that is.

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I have 442 already and boy is it fast!
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But I cannot root on the X that is.
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You don't say....

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A lot of guess work.. considering first off that 4.4 hasn't been provided. If it was provided will you be the first to jump?
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Take a look in the S5 and X forums to get the proof you need about KK being hard to root.
AK, I would seriously wait until the devs get hold of the update. Let the devs take the OTA and pull it apart so they can start providing ROMs for SafeStrap. Then, update to KK via SS.

My plan is to go all stock and accept the update IF it ever actually gets released. As my bootloader is unlocked, I always have the option of reflashing recovery on it, make a backup of 4.4, and then run it or some other rom backup as I choose. Also, I'm curious to know, if there is supposed to be superuser built into TWRP, will that allow 4.4 to be rooted anyway, or not?
As you can see, I know just enough to be dangerous, lol, but as long as I can make calls, it's all good.

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My plan is to go all stock and accept the update IF it ever actually gets released. As my bootloader is unlocked, I always have the option of reflashing recovery on it, make a backup of 4.4, and then run it or some other rom backup as I choose. Also, I'm curious to know, if there is supposed to be superuser built into TWRP, will that allow 4.4 to be rooted anyway, or not?
As you can see, I know just enough to be dangerous, lol, but as long as I can make calls, it's all good.
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As long as your bootloader is unlocked, all you need to do after you update to the OTA is re-flash recovery and then superuser to regain root.

netizenmt said:
My plan is to go all stock and accept the update IF it ever actually gets released. As my bootloader is unlocked, I always have the option of reflashing recovery on it, make a backup of 4.4, and then run it or some other rom backup as I choose. Also, I'm curious to know, if there is supposed to be superuser built into TWRP, will that allow 4.4 to be rooted anyway, or not?
As you can see, I know just enough to be dangerous, lol, but as long as I can make calls, it's all good.
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I don't think there is an "if" in it. The executive posted on google+ about receiving the update in the next couple weeks.
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AKShotgun said:
I don't think there is an "if" in it. The executive posted on google+ about receiving the update in the next couple weeks.
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Well its been a few weeks since he said that. Having had a similar situation with Sony and the Xperia Play and ICS, I can tell you the average executive's word isn't worth spit. And then there's the whole Verizon involvement which always adds another level of delay. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I would be surprised if we get KK in a few Months, never mind weeks.
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netizenmt said:
Well its been a few weeks since he said that. Having had a similar situation with Sony and the Xperia Play and ICS, I can tell you the average executive's word isn't worth spit. And then there's the whole Verizon involvement which always adds another level of delay. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I would be surprised if we get KK in a few Months, never mind weeks.
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Sorry if it seems like it im not trying to fight you here but he commented on his google+ post saying Razr M and HD KitKat is already at Verizon labs. So im guessing about a month.

I look forward to being wrong. I really hope we get it in the next few months. I've noticed that each revision of Android has made the need to develop custom ROMs less necessary for many phones. Of course that won't lessen our desire or enthusiasm to push the envelope. But when I think how far we have come from my first Android, the LG Ally and Eclair... There was a phone that was crap stock, but once unlocked and customized, it was a very decent phone for its time and price point. Today, its harder to see the need or difference between stock and custom ROMs, other than removal of bloat and occasionally some new bell or whistle. Still, I can't seem to resist their siren's call any more than the rest of you. Which is why I'm running CM11. Lol!
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