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Customizing vs. N1

So I may jump ship from the N1 to the Vibrant. On the N1, in less than ten minutes I can run a nandroid backup, flash a new kernel, new radio and a new rom. In another 3-4 minutes, I can switch back. I've literally switched kernels >3 times/day before. How much different will things be on the Vibrant? Is it harder to do these things? Is there as much risk?
Thanks

right now no one knows, there is no custom kernels, custom recovery, custom roms, etc

There are custom roms and you can easily root the device...but it will obviously take some time to reach N1's customization...

I've had my G1(I know, not the N1) since day 1, and I've been flashing roms since day one. The only reason I flashed roms was because I felt the G1 was lacking in a lot of things. Now that I have the Vibrant, I feel like there's no need to flash a different rom. It's already pretty fast, and I actually like the touchwiz UI. The UI doesnt completely take over the Android interface, it's more like adding extra little features.

ultra spikey said:
I've had my G1(I know, not the N1) since day 1, and I've been flashing roms since day one. The only reason I flashed roms was because I felt the G1 was lacking in a lot of things. Now that I have the Vibrant, I feel like there's no need to flash a different rom. It's already pretty fast, and I actually like the touchwiz UI. The UI doesnt completely take over the Android interface, it's more like adding extra little features.
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Exactly, plus the Black/Blue color scheme is far better looking to me over stock Android. TouchWiz is not like Sense or previous generations of the skin and that's a good thing.

Ill second that. I am really enjoying my touch wiz interface and I didn't think I would. That being said I miss my app drawer that slid up from the bottom.
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I don't know much about flashing to different ROMs yet, but I can give you an overview of the TouchWiz experience from my viewpoint.
Coming from an iPhone, I really like TouchWiz 3.0. And believe me when I tell you: that was their goal with the UI. It screams Apple, in layout and function. But of course, it ultimately feels a bit like an imitation in some areas. I feel like they rushed TouchWiz 3.0 out of the door.
The Clocks and Alarms app is much better than the iPhone's, which is something I was not at all expecting. It's really quite nice. The calendar app is about on par, in terms of layout. The upper hand is that this syncs OTA with Google's cloud services. The music player is very 'iPod-like', but is ultimately a rush job (embedded album art does not work very often and so forth).
All things considered, it's a really nice UI for Android.
That said, there are some really basic functions which did not make the transition from stock Android. For example: you cannot fully edit contacts in the 'Contacts' app. You cannot delete them, you cannot add custom ringtones. Coming from the iPhone, where I had meticulously completed the profiles of every contact with an obscene amount of info and custom ringtones, this is annoying.
There are a few 'little things' like that, which really matter to me. And this has kind of soured the experience for me, making me second-guess my decision. To be honest, I'm still sort of on the fence over this of the N1 as my iPhone replacement.
The grey area for me is in Android 3.0's release. Google has stated that they're going to overhaul the UI. The idea is that they want to make it more user-friendly, to make the use of custom skins less prevalent. Well, I'm all for this. Trouble is: will these handset manufacturers adopt it, considering their vested interests in their custom experiences?
Samsung's UI is definitely my favorite out of Sense, MotoBlur and the lot. But I'd be lying if I said that I didn't wish for a Nexus One for the security of owning the only unlocked stock device.
Hope that helps...

Give it some time and stock Android will be on the Vibrant. Thats the great thing about Android and Xda.

Yeah, I really love the idea of xda and the amount of support that all of these devices receive from the community. Of course, the trouble is: if you root for a custom rom - even if it's stock Android - the N1 is the only solution for getting OTA updates regularly. With stock Android on the Galaxy S, you're going to have to re-flash every time the ROM is updated. Not the end of the world, but definitely irritating.
Running a JB/Unlocked iPhone, I'm used to dealing with work-arounds, and waiting for hacks. That's the price I paid for using a non-carrier phone. I couldn't accept the automatic updates from Apple, and this became a mild annoyance (reinstalling everything and so forth). But when you decide to 'play nice' and own a carrier-specific phone, you kind of want the experience of timely OTA, non-hacking-related updates that simply update your device, without first wiping it clean.
Know what I mean?
I'm still not sure if I'm going to keep my Galaxy S, or buy an N1 while there's still time (the 'rumors'? of the N1's touchscreen issues are really all that held me back). But either way, I hope that all devices have some way to experience the latest and greatest from Google.

The touchscreen is bad on that phone especially when it comes to multitouch. I'm sure you've already seen the videos comparing the two touchpads and the Vibrant's touchscreen is SO accurate... multitouch included.

Jon C said:
Yeah, I really love the idea of xda and the amount of support that all of these devices receive from the community. Of course, the trouble is: if you root for a custom rom - even if it's stock Android - the N1 is the only solution for getting OTA updates regularly. With stock Android on the Galaxy S, you're going to have to re-flash every time the ROM is updated. Not the end of the world, but definitely irritating.
Running a JB/Unlocked iPhone, I'm used to dealing with work-arounds, and waiting for hacks. That's the price I paid for using a non-carrier phone. I couldn't accept the automatic updates from Apple, and this became a mild annoyance (reinstalling everything and so forth). But when you decide to 'play nice' and own a carrier-specific phone, you kind of want the experience of timely OTA, non-hacking-related updates that simply update your device, without first wiping it clean.
Know what I mean?
I'm still not sure if I'm going to keep my Galaxy S, or buy an N1 while there's still time (the 'rumors'? of the N1's touchscreen issues are really all that held me back). But either way, I hope that all devices have some way to experience the latest and greatest from Google.
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While its a little early to be 100% yet but Android hacking is a lot different than iphone hacking. The iphone is a closed system and you have to wait till its broken open to update. Android is already open when its released. As for OTAs if Cyanogen supports the Vibrant then there is an app to download and install new updates. Typically if you stay with the same developer, like Cyanogen, then you don't have to wipe when there are updates.

After froyo 2.2 all my touch screen problems was gone.
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So untrue after froyo 2.2 those problems was fix the nexus one is a awsome phone.and I believe the same for the vibrant.
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Can you do me the world's biggest favor?
Would you make some YouTube videos, showing the multitouch tests of your N1? I so, so, so, would love to own one, but I have zero tolerance for faulty hardware. I've been researching this stuff since the N1 launch, and it's the only thing holding me back from purchasing that device.
'Multitouch Vis Test' is probably the easiest way, but if you can think of others to test with, that would be great.

Jon C said:
The music player is very 'iPod-like', but is ultimately a rush job (embedded album art does not work very often and so forth).
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I haven't used my iPod Nano 4th Gen in some time, I find that the N1 is handling my music needs just fine. But if I had a nickel for every time album art was hosed on my iPod Nano I would not have a mortgage anymore...

hah2110 said:
So I may jump ship from the N1 to the Vibrant. On the N1, in less than ten minutes I can run a nandroid backup, flash a new kernel, new radio and a new rom. In another 3-4 minutes, I can switch back. I've literally switched kernels >3 times/day before. How much different will things be on the Vibrant? Is it harder to do these things? Is there as much risk?
Thanks
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First you must know that the process is completely different. For right now most roms are installed through the Odin process. This process completely wipes all of the information on the phone (including apps and settings) and then installs the new rom. So you will have to backup your apps and settings every time you change roms (Titanium backup would work but it's not always fool proof). Second all roms are going to be based off of Samsung code. That means no Sense roms, no stock roms (well you can get the stock launcher but your dialer and notification bar will always be touchwized), and no froyo until Samsung releases there own version. This has been true so far with all previous Samsung phones and looking at the development with the I9000 it seems to hold true for the Galaxy S. All this does put you at less risk of bricking your phone but it does mean you also have less chance of serious customization. Also with limited source code for the I9000 (there are some drivers that are not source code but actually compiled) it's very difficult to just plop roms on from other sources.

psychoace said:
First you must know that the process is completely different. For right now most roms are installed through the Odin process. This process completely wipes all of the information on the phone (including apps and settings) and then installs the new rom. So you will have to backup your apps and settings every time you change roms (Titanium backup would work but it's not always fool proof). Second all roms are going to be based off of Samsung code. That means no Sense roms, no stock roms (well you can get the stock launcher but your dialer and notification bar will always be touchwized), and no froyo until Samsung releases there own version. This has been true so far with all previous Samsung phones and looking at the development with the I9000 it seems to hold true for the Galaxy S. All this does put you at less risk of bricking your phone but it does mean you also have less chance of serious customization. Also with limited source code for the I9000 (there are some drivers that are not source code but actually compiled) it's very difficult to just plop roms on from other sources.
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Why can't CM do his thing?

cm is trying to port cyanogen to the vibrant. in fact ive read that the vibrant and the droid x are his 2 top priorities so it will come soon enough. and once he gets it done we will probibly see a bunch of roms based of cyanogen

blazewit said:
cm is trying to port cyanogen to the vibrant. in fact ive read that the vibrant and the droid x are his 2 top priorities so it will come soon enough. and once he gets it done we will probibly see a bunch of roms based of cyanogen
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I have yet to see any information confirming any of that. First on his twitter he only seems to be working on the Evo right now. Second I doubt he would work on the Droid x until it's rooted (which most likely will be never). Last I have seen only a small pattern of talk about someone in conversation with Cyanogen about allowing a Galaxy branch of the CM code for use with the Galaxy S. Problem is this doesn't solve the issue of not having source code for a few drivers. This does not even attack the issue of getting the rom onto the phone. So don't hold your breath for any of that.

yea your right it was just one site claiming that cm is working on the vibrant,from what i can tell gothdroid and a bunch of other g1/dream devs are working right now for custom recovery and porting cm6 and froyo asop

Cyanogen or froyo stock?

Hi, I just got my g2 from the free promotion thingy and im pretty much new to andriod. Should I stay on stock froyo or use cyanogen? And what are the advantages and disadvantages?
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I would root it. There are tons of things that are advantages, such taking some of the crapware that comes bundled on the phone, ability to put themes on your phone, and you get added features with cyanogenmod and other roms out there. The features you can check out for yourself, which can be found on changelogs, YouTube videos, forum post, etc. Spend some time, read that roms' forum thread and learn a few things along the way.
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It can be a tough decision.
First of all I am coming from a g1 that was running the latest stable cyanogenmod so the G2 has been an amazing phone stock. It is super fast and the display is seriously amazing. I did root it because I wanted to check out the cm7 nightlies and also the stable cm6.1.1.
First of all I actually like some of the apps that came pre-installed on the g2. Quickoffice is amazing and an excellent ppt, pdf, doc viewer. I did miss that on cyanogen and I also preferred the stock 2.2 scheme and app drawer. However these are the main differences. Everything else is very similar just with added functionality. You can manipulate every aspect of the UI including the power widget on the notification bar (my personal favorite). You can also overclock your cpu to squeeze some more performance out (up to 1.8ghz but I hear 1.4 is safer). You can also use your current data plan for tethering instead of having to pay extra.
But all in all if you don't require or need this functionality, just stay stock. The stock experience is excellent. I come from the G1 culture where we rooted just so we could stay relevant and get some decent speed on our long forgotten phones. That was the only reason I rooted before and quite possibly the only reason I'll root in the future.
I went back to stock to get my quick office back and I really don't mind the loss of functionality (for now) however I do miss the cool radio tuner.

Quickoffice is in CyanogenMod...
Anyway, root your phone and flash CyanogenMod. The stock experience is great and all but so many things just work better with CyanogenMod.
When you root, you obtain so many more capabilities. How would you like to remove every single advertisement you see? Well you can't do it unless you root.
There are so many more things but I just can't get into it. You'll sit here all day reading my post. Just take me word for it and root. You won't go wrong but READ READ READ all instructions and understand them before you do anything.
Yes, it is risky but only if you're stupid and/or rushing. Make sure you have the correct files and always make a backup. I keep them in a special place on me computer. I still have my stock backed up for if I ever have a problem.
It's a fun thing to get into. You learn a lot and will continue to learn. If you don't find out something new everyday with your G2, there's really no reason to have it, IMHO...
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Cyanogen is stock 2.3.2 with tons of extra features and extremely stable. Stock is 2.2.1 with a ton of bloat and no extra features. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Root and flash cyanogen mod, awesome decision.

I am coming from a rooted G1 and I got my G2 from the free promotion and I rooted because I can't do without it. Once you have root, you won't ever want to go back. I rooted my G2 in the first 30 minutes that it was out of the box. Only down side that I can think of is that you can't have an inteligent conversation with a service rep. xD
You can get root and stay on the stock software/ROM but I don't recemend it, the whole Android experiance changes the moment you install a custom ROM.
The manufacturer and carrier has locked the phone down so much that they basically own the phone, they locked down the potential of the device so much that once you have root you'll be amazed about how much stuff you can now do on it.
YOU bought the phone, its YOURS, NOT the carrier's, NOT the manufacturer's but YOURS, why not make it so?
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I would also recommend that you check out some of the Desire Z/Sense ports (I'm using Virtuous). They're quite clean in terms of bloatware, but you get alot of extras, such as a superior camera/music player app, plugins (Facebook, Flickr, LinkedIn, etc), and more. You can still use ADW Launcher or Launcher Pro for your homescreen/app drawer.

root. install cyanogen. Obtain FM Radio = win

btate0121 said:
root. install cyanogen. Obtain FM Radio = win
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I got mine last Friday and I rooted just to get rid of the bloatware and for overclock.
The FM radio is a bonus... that's sweet.

Does rooting still void the warranty?
I waited until my warranty had run out with my G1 before I rooted it. Just afraid the phone'll break or so and I wont have any options.

metamet said:
Does rooting still void the warranty?
I waited until my warranty had run out with my G1 before I rooted it. Just afraid the phone'll break or so and I wont have any options.
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Technically, yes. However, it's pretty easy to flash a stock ROM back on if you break something.

I preordered my G2 after a long, rooted 2 years on the G1. When I first got the G2, I said I wouldn't root because it didn't need it. My G2 did everything the G1 did but much, much faster. Then I got tired of not having full control of my phone. I had apps I would never use running in the background plus numerous other things that I just had no control over. Then, the brilliant developers found root and I haven't looked back.
I have a lot of people with unrooted android devices around me and they are always blown away by what I can do with my G2. For me, rooting turned my smartPHONE into tiny PC that does calls.
I have a guy I work with who just picked up the new nexus. He was showing it to me and commented on the GB light when you hit the bottom of a page. Well he griped that he wanted the overscroll bounce back. I then showed him that with root and cyan, you can have both. He wasn't ammused as he is afraid to root.
I say read up on everything that is involved with rooting and flashing custom bits. When you feel comfy with it. Unlock that bish and make that G2 your own.
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Pure Android on S4

Hi everyone,
I just switched from an iPhone 4 to an S4 and so far the experience has been great, however, I wanted to know if there's a way to run 'Pure Android' on it.
From what I THINK I know, Samsung's version of android has a bunch of pre-installed crap. Call me crazy but this bothers me, I just want a clean OS, and that's something I liked about iOS. I don't know if it has any other limitations, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, except from the home dock being locked.
Anyway, I'm a complete Android noob, but I can follow clear instructions.
Is it even possible to do what I'm after? Is there a clean, safe and fast way of doing it for somebody like me that doesn't know much about these things?
Also, I don't have access to a PC as I am a mac user.

mkaiin said:
Hi everyone,
I just switched from an iPhone 4 to an S4 and so far the experience has been great, however, I wanted to know if there's a way to run 'Pure Android' on it.
From what I THINK I know, Samsung's version of android has a bunch of pre-installed crap. Call me crazy but this bothers me, I just want a clean OS, and that's something I liked about iOS. I don't know if it has any other limitations, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, except from the home dock being locked.
Anyway, I'm a complete Android noob, but I can follow clear instructions.
Is it even possible to do what I'm after? Is there a clean, safe and fast way of doing it for somebody like me that doesn't know much about these things?
Also, I don't have access to a PC as I am a mac user.
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simply wait Galaxy S4 google edition is on the market...

Masami1975 said:
simply wait Galaxy S4 google edition is on the market...
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If you can't wait for the Galaxy S4 Google Edition , why don't you just buy LG Google Nexus 4 instead of Galaxy S4 before that ?
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mkaiin said:
Hi everyone,
I just switched from an iPhone 4 to an S4 and so far the experience has been great, however, I wanted to know if there's a way to run 'Pure Android' on it.
From what I THINK I know, Samsung's version of android has a bunch of pre-installed crap. Call me crazy but this bothers me, I just want a clean OS, and that's something I liked about iOS. I don't know if it has any other limitations, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, except from the home dock being locked.
Anyway, I'm a complete Android noob, but I can follow clear instructions.
Is it even possible to do what I'm after? Is there a clean, safe and fast way of doing it for somebody like me that doesn't know much about these things?
Also, I don't have access to a PC as I am a mac user.
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The S4 is still pretty new so development is still picking up, but AOSP roms are supposed to give you that pure android experience. Cyanogenmod (CM), AOKP and others add some great tweaks and settings for further customizations. You can check the Original Android Development for Cyanogenmod and AOKP, but I would suggest you wait a while as things are still being improved. They should get more stable soon and have clean and clear installation methods.
Android differs from iOS in that you get a lot of customization options. Different people have different choices and android can be adapted for anyone. Some like the pure android experience and go for either a Nexus phone, which is pure android, or install an AOSP rom on their non-nexus phone.
Some people like Samsung's Touchwiz while others do not. Other roms add even further customizations, etc. Welcome to android..!

[Q] Anyone ditched KK for 4.3 or 4.2

Just curious to know how many have decided KitKat isn't for them on their Nexus 4s and gone back to a previous version of Android, be it 4.3 or 4.2?
Also, any particular reasons for moving away from KK?
Been on KK for a week or so but I do miss some of the customizations that more establish roms from previous versions offer such as theme engine and various tweaks. I appreciate some of the newer KK roms are getting there but it's still early days.
Thanks.

I switched back not because of the customizations. I am using complete stock. I switched back cuz its like a beta version. They said all the blue in UI will turn into white/gray but its stil blue. Just like a little part of the UI is like it should be. Kinda disappointed that its not done at 100%. Switched back to 4.3 and lovin' it.

I went back to 4.2 because I don't like the direction Google is taking. Now that Android has won the popularity vote, it seems Google is pushing forward more aggressively with its agenda, control.
Android was supposed to be about choices, yet I can no longer choose if I want to use talk instead of hangouts, AOSP browser instead of Chrome or other apps for example. You can no longer use HotSpot (T-Mobile user) unless you modify a db file. Things are being blocked or taken away while being forced into their ecosystem. Google plus, their recent youtube changes. Also instead of privacy being DEFAULT you have to dig deep into settings to enable it. The new Google caller ID while a nice idea, should be an option to enable not one that has automatically been selected for you. The whole agenda is to pry into your private information as much as possible AND make you feel comfortable doing so. But what ship can I jump to? iPhone? No thanks. Stop using smartphones? Not likely.. I guess for now my only option is using an older version of Android that is actually very functional.
Otherwise I do like the smoothness of KitKat, I'm just trying to choose the right ROM that brings back some of the old features with the new.
/sorry for the rant.

KitKat taste better than JellyBean.

What are you looking for as far as customization?

I am still running 4.2.2 on my Nexus 4, it has nothing to do with Kit Kat tho. I'm looking for a 4.4.2 rom that I'm comfortable with, but haven't found one yet. I don't do stock anything so that's out of the question. ?
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The sole reason for kitkat is art
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Kitkat is by far the smoothest Android version today imo, but still holding on to carbon 4.3 because of features and stability reasons. ?
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It is pretty clear when moving to KK that a lot of useful features have been taken away. Many more utilities need root access now to do things like control Airplane Mode or to read battery statistics. I'm sure Google will have some excuses around "security" but I just feel like the walls are closing in on Android. Also KK seems to have introduced more bugs than useful new features. I've had several irritating battery drain problems, partly due to stupid default settings but also to bugs. Seriously considering going back to 4.3 which was perfectly functional for everything I needed.

I stayed on 4.2.2 aokp milestone mostly because everything works perfectly fine without a bug. The only thing not letting me moving forward is the whole thing about using 1 default messaging app. For example i like the default messaging app but i need the quick send from chomp sms. No, i have to use only one. That's what's android is all about, ( the choice that you want to do with your device, if im gonna be taking all the good options away, then mind as well say go iPhone.

I had been using the stock rooted version of 4.4.2 for almost a week now and have been having trouble with the phone freezing up every few hours wherein none of the hardware buttons response. Need to restart the phone then
Not sure how many have been facing these issues
Now i m switching back to Carbon Rom again
maritimesbob said:
Just curious to know how many have decided KitKat isn't for them on their Nexus 4s and gone back to a previous version of Android, be it 4.3 or 4.2?
Also, any particular reasons for moving away from KK?
Been on KK for a week or so but I do miss some of the customizations that more establish roms from previous versions offer such as theme engine and various tweaks. I appreciate some of the newer KK roms are getting there but it's still early days.
Thanks.
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I'm waiting for a gingerbread ROM, best android version so far - but no ROMs for the nexus 4. Far faster than anything since.
If you're aware of one, please let me know.
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I'm on KK but I also feel that android(AOSP) is going in wrong direction: left side of home screen is Google now in gel, read somewhere and agree that it reminds like iPhone UI,
And all love for android is because is different than iOS, so im in doubt to downgrade, speed on jellybean is good for me and its smooth enough.
Greets
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andynx1 said:
I'm waiting for a gingerbread ROM, best android version so far - but no ROMs for the nexus 4. Far faster than anything since.
If you're aware of one, please let me know.
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It's not possible cause there are no drivers of N4 for gingerbread.
And kk is by far the best Android. I love the design, the features, the speed (ART). I haven't had any bug so far and I am using stock rooted. I think kk is the first of android revisions that's as smooth as ios or even better.

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It's not possible cause there are no drivers of N4 for gingerbread.
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Err, my "gingerbread" comment was meant as a joke.
Of course kk is the best yet, there's really no good reason not to use it. Unless you're a Luddite.
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andynx1 said:
Err, my "gingerbread" comment was meant as a joke.
Of course kk is the best yet, there's really no good reason not to use it. Unless you're a Luddite.
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LOL! That would be interesting tho.
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I can see why quite a few look at KitKat and think it a half baked product. It just doesn't seem quite complete, almost like it was rushed out in time for Christmas or something.
The wife has just had her KitKat OTA for her MotoG. She knows nothing about rooting and all the fun stuff, her phone is a phone! However she said she prefers it before the update as her battery life is much worse now. The MotoG comes with pretty much a clean Google rom.
I've tried KitKat again over the last week, but I'm going back to a 4.3 rom as it "feels" more complete if that makes sense.

maritimesbob said:
I can see why quite a few look at KitKat and think it a half baked product. It just doesn't seem quite complete, almost like it was rushed out in time for Christmas or something.
The wife has just had her KitKat OTA for her MotoG. She knows nothing about rooting and all the fun stuff, her phone is a phone! However she said she prefers it before the update as her battery life is much worse now. The MotoG comes with pretty much a clean Google rom.
I've tried KitKat again over the last week, but I'm going back to a 4.3 rom as it "feels" more complete if that makes sense.
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Rom's are a personal choice , my favorite right up until jellybean was Ginger bread and to be honest I wasn't overly impressed with KK.
However apart from Google trying to undo what android is about .
I can honestly say my battery life and general running is far better on kk and I really like it now.
Wouldn't think about returning to JB.
I missed network indicators and hated hangouts but after searching and fixing my dislikes I now believe my phone has never been this smooth , good looking and battery friendly.
Again its a personal choice but with a little searching and modding I think you can get good results on KK.
Phone : Nexus 4 /Rom : cataclysm / Kernel : Stock.

I'm happy with KK it looks nicer, but in saying so it doesn't feel complete but I guess that's why with have devs coding awesome ROMs to add anything they think is missing. For example... I'm running the latest 4.4 AOKP and at the moment its almost like a stock ROM with only a few features and tweaks. But in time everything we know and love from AOKP will be added. So all in all at the moment I think its just a waiting game while developers work their magic.
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chicohonda91 said:
I stayed on 4.2.2 aokp milestone mostly because everything works perfectly fine without a bug. The only thing not letting me moving forward is the whole thing about using 1 default messaging app. For example i like the default messaging app but i need the quick send from chomp sms. No, i have to use only one. That's what's android is all about, ( the choice that you want to do with your device, if im gonna be taking all the good options away, then mind as well say go iPhone.
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Have you even tried Kitkat? You can still use the default messaging app or any other sms app. When you first boot up Kitkat, by default hangout is a messaging app but you can change it. Hangouts > Settings > SMS > SMS Enabled > Default SMS app > Choose any other sms app you prefer.

G2 support

Hi all,
i was going to buy a g2 but as i always do i wanted to know first what roms are available and how they run. Have been reading through xda and how well are kitkat roms running on the g2 ? I read that slim has troubles, is this a general issue or just rom related ? what about PA or others ?
I ussually get a new phone every 2 / 3 years so that i want to make sure to have up to date os until then.
TIA !

there are some minor problems with PA roms. Nothing serious though.
LG will be releasing kitkat in some time (a month?), so there will be more roms based on KK.
For now You could choose between PA, CM11 (and roms based on), some slim kitkats, and there are a lot of stock based roms and roms ported from G Flex. I would say not bad at all. Go and check it out in Development sub forums.
Stock rom is also not bad - sure it is loaded with some bloatware but better than Glaxy's for sure

q123456 said:
there are some minor problems with PA roms. Nothing serious though.
LG will be releasing kitkat in some time (a month?), so there will be more roms based on KK.
For now You could choose between PA, CM11 (and roms based on), some slim kitkats, and there are a lot of stock based roms and roms ported from G Flex. I would say not bad at all. Go and check it out in Development sub forums.
Stock rom is also not bad - sure it is loaded with some bloatware but better than Glaxy's for sure
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thanks for your reply !
i had only a brief look to the stock ui but im sure im going to hate it. I dont have anything against LGs ui, im just used to aosp roms and like their simplicity.
My concern isnt just about kk but beyond, i mean, this year google will release 4.5 ( or whatever they will call it) and my guess is that LG wont make it available for the g2.
Does anyone know LGs policy about os updates ? How have they handled previous updates for example ?
TIA

LG policy about updates is non existent LG G for e.g. . They were saying that they will change their approach to updates but...
I also like AOSP very much - was using nexus 4 for a year. For now i would say You could use PA on daily basis. There are some minor bugs. Battery life for me was worse form what i got on stock, that's why i'm switched back.
Other than that no crashes, reboots etc. Dunno about games though - they were some voices that some of them crashing

Personally I've bounced back and forth between stock and 4.4 Roms. Right now really happy running stock with xposed installed and using g2 exposed app in play store. Really able to do everything I personally want to be able to with that module.
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