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stock hboot (0.85.0005) ignores S-OFF?

Hi all,
today i discovered something strange and i like to get your opinion on that:
I am not able to do s-off things in fastboot even if i have s-off!
Situation:
Phone: Desire Z
HBOOT: stock 0.85.0005
FW: 1.34..
Rooted: did root, supercid and s-off via gfree and verified via gfree_verify - even hboot showes up S-OFF
ROM: GingerVillain 1.5
Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.0.5
Problem:
First of all, i myself have no problem, but i started experimenting after a friend semi-bricked his desire z with same setup.
I did a nandroid backup and when i boot into hboot and do a 'fastboot flash recovery recovery.img' (with my nandroid recovery.img) i always get a remote: not allowed.
Now from my point of view this should only happen if I have a S-ON and should be impossible with S-OFF ?! Even using 'fastboot oem rebootRUU' does not change anything.
The thing that concerns me about that is: If something destroys both system and recovery, your pretty much screwed + bricked because hboot is not allowed to write to something other then cache and all of this basic stuff doesn't work:
- flash recovery with CW
- flash a complete zip
- flash an other hboot
- RUU
When I rooted my phone i have read everywhere that eng-hboots are not necessary any longer. But it appears that they are the only thing that helps and you have to install them as long as you have a working ROM.
Any thoughts on that issue / can you reproduce this / are fastboot actions logged anywhere?

You need a ENG. HBoot to use fastboot commands, doesn't matter if your s-off.

yeah, i came to the same conclusion..
is there any chance to flash a eng-hboot from a bricked 0.85.0005? i did some experimentation with a goldcard, but at least remote commands didn't change in behaviour..
I think being full-bricked when something goes wrong and not having an eng-hboot already installed is not an acceptable solution for most people here

DragonTEC said:
yeah, i came to the same conclusion..
is there any chance to flash a eng-hboot from a bricked 0.85.0005?
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maybe thru a modified PC10IMG.zip
I think being full-bricked when something goes wrong and not having an eng-hboot already installed is not an acceptable solution for most people here
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My thoughts exactly, its kind of a safety if you can't boot into android.

i'm not sure if a PC10IMG.zip will help at all.. my friend tried flashing both 1.34 and 1.72 RUU ROMs as PC10IMG and this didn't change anything.. in fact, the 1.72 even didn' install the new .00008 hbott, so i thing there is some heavy write protection in the hboot making it more or less useless..
what i can imagine that works is aa gokldcard with sppimg.zip, but i haven't yet found one for the desire z..
i have the feeling that this is a huge problem because with a short research i have found at least 3 threads of people having bricked their phone exactly this way and are now stuck.. some of the experts here might pay attention to this problem and in my opinion you should also consider removing the 'a eng-hboot is not needed, don't use it' advice from the rooting section of the wiki..

So what exactly is your problem.
You destroyed recovery and system?
If yes, and you used gfree to get Super-CID just install an PC10IMG that has a version higher or equal to the main version in you misc partition. And then do the whole downgrading, rooting, flashing recovery again.
If you are not Super-CID you might need a goldcard in addition if the CID of the phone is not supported by the PC10IMG that you whant to install.
have fun Guhl
It is almost impossible to brick this phone. The only possible way might be a failed copy of the eng-hboot and this is why the warning is and stays in the wiki.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I thought so, too, but when flashing a newer original RUU using the PC10IMG.zip, the flash process runs okay, but after the restart nothing (still hangs in HTC screen, no new hboot) changes so apparently no changes are made..
So from my point of view the phone is more or less bricked.. i guess maybe some custome PC10IMG with an eng-hboot might change this, but i only found one for the G2 and wasn't able to find one for the DZ.. Thats why I thing that removing the 'UNNECESSARY' advice is justified (of course i don't want the warning advice that this can brick the phone to be removed)..

Vegetative state

I rooted my Mytouch 3G 1.2 and have routinely upgraded the CM roms as they were released with no problems. I went to unroot the thing so i could sell it on ebay, but ran into problems. Currently it will load into Hboot, but will hang while unzipping system files. It appears to go into Fastboot, but I can't get a computer (fastboot commander or command prompt) to communicate with it. It shows fastboot and changes to Fastboot USB when connected to a computer, but that's all I get. I've tried various drivers and sappimg files. I have read that if it shows any signs of life then it can be saved. I have searched for hours trying to find solutions but haven't made any progress. Current Fastboot screen shows Sapphire RE Unknown 32A Eng S-Off H
HBOOT 1.33.2010
CPLD-13
Radio- 3.22.20.17
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You need to get AndroidSDK installed. Is the computer detecting the phone? Does anything for the phone show up in Control Panel?

I have AndroidSDK installed on my computer, but adb devices doesn't list anything.

cccentipede said:
I have AndroidSDK installed on my computer, but adb devices doesn't list anything.
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What about "fastboot devices"?
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using Tapatalk

You have the wrong hboot and radio for a 1.2... can you confirm this does have a headphone jack?
Kind Regards,
Kevin
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kpetrie77 said:
You have the wrong hboot and radio for a 1.2... can you confirm this does have a headphone jack?
Kind Regards,
Kevin
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G 1.2 using XDA app
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He flashed the engineering SPL used for the goldcard method and didn't do anything after. Hopefully he'll still be able to get fastboot working so we can get him straightened out.
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using Tapatalk

That sounds about right Kevin and DonJuan. I've got a new baby and my attention to detail and directions isn't what it should be right now
I found that part of the problem I was having was with my wretched Vista laptop and a driver issue. When working on my XP desktop I can see the device in fastboot devices. I do have the headphone jack and realized that I do have the wrong radio. I think I'm sort of lost as to where my phone exists right now in the process of unrooting.
Thank you both for your fast replies.

Use the "Old school" rooting guide in my signature starting at Step #4. That will put you back on CM. I would leave it rooted to sell it unless you've got a buyer requesting for it to be stock as you may pull more interest. If your dead set on going back stock, you should be able to stop at Step #9 in the guide, turn the phone off, download this file, rename it to "sappimg.zip", put it on the root of your SD card, with it in the phone, turn it on holding volume down+power, and then follow the instructions on screen.

Awesome, I'm in Amon-Ra's recovery. Can I use it to restore a clockworkmod backup or are the two recovery methods incompatible? I guess part of my question should be whether my phone is technically rooted or unrooted at this point. Could I load a recovery from step nine of your guide and be done with it?
I tried using the stock img that you linked to (because I see stock MyTouch phones on eBay selling more often than rooted ones) but it gave me the Main version is older" message which is what got me started down this road in the first place. At this point, if I could get back to my backed up CM6.1 I would call it good.
P.S. I really appreciate your time and will donate.

If I'm not mistaken both recoveries use the nandroid backup. Just try restoring and see if it'll take. If not then you may just end up having to re-flash it. So what you were actually trying to do is flash the engineering SPL to bypass the version check. You flashed an entire sappimg which changes pretty much everything. Instead you should have used the engineering ZIP that's floating around which you would have flashed from recovery and it would've only changed the SPL.

I got everything back to where I started with your guidance. I guess you were right DonJuan, my CM6.1 MyTouch sold within 30 minutes on ebay for $125. Thanks again.

[Help] Phone wont boot.

Hi, after hours of researching to find the problem, i cant find it so as my last resort i will ask the mighty forums if there is anything they can do about it.
The problem is that its stuck in a boot loop, i can get in to bootloader and Hboot.
When i press to go in to recovery its just goes to the HTC logo and stays there.
When i try to do a factory reset same thing happened.
Anyway, the facts.
Its a DHD it used to have leedroid latest as rom, atm i have no idea it is supposed to be 1.32 stock rom for rooting and RADIO-26.14.04.28_M, kernel was also leedroid recommended but i guess that also is 1.32 stock.
It was ENG S-OFF but then i tried some PD98IMG and it changed to SHIP S-OFF
Things that i have tried.
Tried different PD98IMG to get the recovery working but nothing same thing happened there.
Tried patched/flashed the recovery part only with no luck.
Tried to get into recovery through pulling the battery inserting the usb and then inserting the battery again, no luck.
The odd thing is when i try to charge the phone and the led goes orange and when i pull the usb out it stays orange, it should turn off.
I suppose i ****ed something over but i have no clue of what that is?!?
Help would be most appreciated

I'm suggesting everyone to give this method a try although i have no experience with it but since it can be used to recover using computer i believe recovery isn't necessary here so that you can recover the firmware using the PC.
Hope this helps

shad0wboss said:
I'm suggesting everyone to give this method a try although i have no experience with it but since it can be used to recover using computer i believe recovery isn't necessary here so that you can recover the firmware using the PC.
Hope this helps
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Done and failed, same problem no difference what so ever.

SHIP S-OFF is OK!! U got it m8!
If you want to use your own Image do it within this way:
1. Flash this: http://www.multiupload.com/FKJ8B7Q0QM
and after this:
2. Flash this: http://www.multiupload.com/AURLLESU5V
And enjoy it! I don't know why the PD98IMG is not working on your device so I recomend to flash the RUU. Within the RUU you will also get the latest firmware for phone and wifi and so on. It's not a need, it's a must!
The 2nd ROM is same as above but it's ROOTED and contains the 4ext Recovery which will give you the option to flash whatever you want.
BUT!!! This ROM's are ORIGINAL. If you want to use a CUSTOM ROM I would recomend you will format your device by the 4ext Recovery or you are using the FULL WIPE 1.5.
Regards!

Sorry for the insane delay.
That did not work either, anyone else have any idea what to do, installing through PD98IMG.zip files seams not to work, will at this point do anything.
I'am a student so buying a new one is out of the question.

I tend to have to see things to understand them more. Maybe other people are similar. Is it possible you can video the process, put it on YouTube and some of the experts here can see it and talk you through it?

Grant Barker said:
I tend to have to see things to understand them more. Maybe other people are similar. Is it possible you can video the process, put it on YouTube and some of the experts here can see it and talk you through it?
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Dude, I plus 1 this comment.
Doing exactly that has helped me in the past too.

Well, i am here again with some videos this time, dont really know if it will explain anything but here goes nothing.
youtube.com/watch?v=cHA-k6SadoE
Just a simple start to show what the hell is wrong with it.
youtube.com/watch?v=squwhiGNM3s
Here's me trying factory reset but failed, stuck at the same place as before.
youtube.com/watch?v=aZF1ALz0Z-w
Here is where i go into fastboot, just to show that i can do it and then back again to try recovery, same problem...
Anymore info you need, next time i will answer much faster, anyway there the problem it gets stuck on HTC logo forever, no restart no nothing...

ithen said:
Sorry for the insane delay.
That did not work either, anyone else have any idea what to do, installing through PD98IMG.zip files seams not to work, will at this point do anything.
I'am a student so buying a new one is out of the question.
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when you flashed PD98IMG.zip does it give you a cid error?. If this is the error then a gold card needs to be made for your device first, then you flash the RUU.

Back again.
No CID error, its skips something called TP when i try to flash it.
I can use any simcard, its an unbranded phone i believe.
And also if it is to any help, when i plug my charger in the phone and then back out again, the little orange led keeps emitting light, as if it stills charging.

My English is not very good.
I want to know what did you do for it before its stuck in a boot loop?
You can get into HBOOT and connect the phone to the computer,then try to run RUU.Before you do this,make sure you have make golden card.

Try another pd zip..i came across a few corrupt ones,the answers in this site somewhere alterbatively google the sentence you want the answer to..or the key words,if the systems still working theres a 98% chance youll get it going boot loops from what i see are just a file or something causing chaos..once its gone voila.
Good luck
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

Enter hboot and paste exactly what it says in there.
SHIP AND ENG don't matter as long as it's S-OFF. If you can't access recovery and if you're unable for some reason to flash a PDimg, download AAHK and use it to unroot. That will hopefully get you into the stock ROM and S-ON of course.
Use AAHK again to root. You will still have access to your stock ROM.
Now here's the tricky part. If the phone won't boot at all that probably means there's nothing to boot at all. Happened to me a lot of times. If you can still get into hboot then don't panic. See if AAHK will help you out.

S-OFF or S-ON

Im thinking of S-OFF-ing my device (Unlocking bootloader). I want to ask did anybody did it on our tattoo, what are the ups and downs, what are the chances of hard bricking my device, will i still be able to flash roms via CWM, and the most important, is it worth it ???

kemoba said:
Im thinking of S-OFF-ing my device (Unlocking bootloader). I want to ask did anybody did it on our tattoo, what are the ups and downs, what are the chances of hard bricking my device, will i still be able to flash roms via CWM, and the most important, is it worth it ???
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1.) No, I hadn't.
2.) You can write data directly into system without booting into recovery and there's no downs, only better
3.) Your Click may go to eternity sleep if something goes wrong. but believe me, I've S-OFFed my Desire, not my previous Click as it's already factoried s-off. Nothing bad happens:beer:
4.) S-offing will NOT touch your recovery.
5.) The risks are very low, but if you mess up service again so it's worth, I recommend. Download from HTCDev site. Revolutionary's unfortunately not into this.
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kemoba said:
Im thinking of S-OFF-ing my device (Unlocking bootloader). I want to ask did anybody did it on our tattoo, what are the ups and downs, what are the chances of hard bricking my device, will i still be able to flash roms via CWM, and the most important, is it worth it ???
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If you're thinking about using htcdev boot unlocker, it won't S-Off your phone. It would just let you flash custom recovery and such which we can do already. Therefore in my view, it's not necessary to do it.
If you actually get an S-Off done(paid solution), it still won't be very useful as most of the things that we usually want like downgrading/upgrading we can do with the help of gold card and some other tricks posted in this forum.
I got S-off done as I wanted to be able to change mid but I later found out that I couldn't do it with stock hboot as it provides a curtailed list of fastboot oem commands in comparison to Eng-hboot. I thought S-Off would help me change the model id(mid). If there was a way a to directly alter mid in NVRAM then it would be helpful but for now the money spent on S-Off is a waste.
Wish there was an ENG hboot available for our Tattoo.
Hope this info will be useful.

HTC Vision G2 ROMS

i am new to this so if you can bare with me. I recently Unlocked and rooted my G2 and i also installed a custom recovery (ClockworkMod). I have been trying to install a custom but have been having problems with this. what happens is i use recovery to install rom from sdcard and it looks like it installs, i mean it says it is successful but when i reboot it gets stuck on HTC boot screen. I do not know what else to do, please help. oh and i also have tried to do this with a few diffirent ROM's.

Just a guess, but it sounds like you didn't wipe before installing a rom. From the main recovery menu, choose factory reset/wipe data and cache. When that is done, you can install whatever ROM you'd like. If you're installing an AOSP rom, don't forget to flash the google apps (gapps) after the ROM.

What ROM are you attempting to install. If it is newer sense based you may need the desire z boot.
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pkb6212003 said:
i am new to this so if you can bare with me. I recently Unlocked and rooted my G2 and i also installed a custom recovery (ClockworkMod). I have been trying to install a custom but have been having problems with this. what happens is i use recovery to install rom from sdcard and it looks like it installs, i mean it says it is successful but when i reboot it gets stuck on HTC boot screen. I do not know what else to do, please help. oh and i also have tried to do this with a few diffirent ROM's.
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As someone else said, looks like yo didn't bother to factory-reset/wipe via recovery before attempting to apply a brand new rom.
Flashing the rom doesn't wipe everything for you before hand, it would be like trying to install Windows 7 on top of Windows XP without bothering to remove windows XP and you end up with this mixed up mess of the two that doesn't work.
PS: Didn't you already ask this in another thread? (almost seems like word-for-word what another 1st time poster said)

thank you
thank you for the suggestions, i will try right now and let you know. i thought i did a full wipe, but maybe i didn't, i will try again.
Also this is the first time i have ever posted here. oh and one of the rom's i have cyanogenmod 7.2.0

HTC G2
tried what you suggested and still got the same thing, or is there something else i could try?

maybe you are getting corrupt ROM downloads? have you tried checking if md5sums match? since this is your first time, here is a link to a windows md5 sum checker

c00ller said:
maybe you are getting corrupt ROM downloads? have you tried checking if md5sums match? since this is your first time, here is a link to a windows md5 sum checker
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I like how 4EXT Recovery can let you check the md5sum of any file on the SD card before you decide to flash it, so you can compare to the source.

May be radio problem
Sent from my Desire Z using XDA

G2 ROMS
the roms i have downloaded are all good, i even tried to redownload them and tried a couple other downloads, same thing though.

HTC G2
santajin said:
May be radio problem
Sent from my Desire Z using XDA
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What do you mean? What could be wrong with the radio?

pkb6212003 said:
the roms i have downloaded are all good, i even tried to redownload them and tried a couple other downloads, same thing though.
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Which roms? did you verify that you meet all the requirements? (for example some newer roms, particularly some ICS attempts, need the newer *.19 radio).
For example I couldn't get EliteMod ICS booting until I upgraded my radio to 26.13.04.19 from the old *.26 one (also the T-Mobile Wifi Calling app requires the new radio too).
PS: It's generally more helpful if you list out all your specs, i.e.: your Phone's Hboot (hboot version, SHIP vs ENG, S-OFF vs S-ON, Radio Version), Recovery type/version, and what roms you are trying.

Hi, are you simply unlocked using the HTC bootloader unlocker? If so, another thing to consider is you may need to flash the boot.img thru fastboot along with installing the ROM thru recovery. I don't think HTC unlock lets you flash to the boot partition in recovery, so if the ROM you flash uses a custom kernel, it won't boot until you flash that seperately thru fastboot.

I flashed a new rom and got stuck on the white HTC screen too but after taking the battery out for about 30s it just booted right up. Happened a few times now so it could be that.

I have had that same problem doing a full wipe and also wiping the cache and dalvik before I install a new rom works for me, I have had the same situation AFTER a time and as desirez_pete stated removing the battery for 30 seconds and rebooting did the trick.

HTC G2 SPECs
Sorry i have been away for so long, still am unable to install custom ROM, I was reading the threads and noticed someone asked for my specs here they are -
VISION PVT SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.82.0009
MICROP-0425
RADIO-26.13.04.19_M
eMMC-boot
The Phone is Unlocked and rooted and my recovery version is ClockworkMod Recovery v5.8.1.0 touch
also when ever i have tried to optain S-OFF i get eMMC- Boot Failed
any help from here i would be very thankful.

pkb6212003 said:
Sorry i have been away for so long, still am unable to install custom ROM, I was reading the threads and noticed someone asked for my specs here they are -
VISION PVT SHIP S-ON
HBOOT-0.82.0009
MICROP-0425
RADIO-26.13.04.19_M
eMMC-boot
The Phone is Unlocked and rooted and my recovery version is ClockworkMod Recovery v5.8.1.0 touch
also when ever i have tried to optain S-OFF i get eMMC- Boot Failed
any help from here i would be very thankful.
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" SHIP S-ON" doesn't look unlocked to me.

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kbeezie said:
" SHIP S-ON" doesn't look unlocked to me.
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When i boot into the bootloader and at the top of the screen it says "UNLOCKED" just like i just typed

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pkb6212003 said:
When i boot into the bootloader and at the top of the screen it says "UNLOCKED" just like i just typed
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Means went thru the HTCDev site which is kind of a sissy-unlock, compared to going with the XDA guide which would have gotten you a fully unlocked bootloader, SIM unlocked, ENG/S-OFF, the works.