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I know many people have been saying the low benchmark scores on the Nexus 4 are due to "thermal throttling" but I don't really believe this. It's supposedly based on the optimus g, and if that doesn't suffer from this thermal throttling issue, then why would the Nexus 4? I personally believe it's just due to the software. People are also saying that an update won't boost the performance by that much, but I'm not sure what to believe.
So do you guys really believe that the nexus 4 is over-heating and under-clocking itself, or do you believe it is just in need of an update?
It may be a faulty unit from that reviewer, I only recall one review saying it overheated. The software is also to blame. I made a post in another thread about the performance with these pre-release software versions the reviewers have.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33634026#post33634026
Unfinalized software on all these review devices is probably the bottleneck. Not to mention benchmarks have zero bearing on anything ever.
And Testing units and software do have a tendency to carry heavy logcats and monitoring software... I remember from the ICS days how "heavy" most leaks would run progressively getting better by the update ...
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Unfinalized software on all these review devices is probably the bottleneck. Not to mention benchmarks have zero bearing on anything ever.
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Whilst benchmarks shouldn't matter too much, when this beastly specced phone is getting worse scores than the msm8960 with adreno 225, then it will obviously raise some concerns.
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I know many people have been saying the low benchmark scores on the Nexus 4 are due to "thermal throttling" but I don't really believe this. It's supposedly based on the optimus g, and if that doesn't suffer from this thermal throttling issue, then why would the Nexus 4? I personally believe it's just due to the software. People are also saying that an update won't boost the performance by that much, but I know if I wrote the drivers for the phone, it wouldn't even start.
Do you guys really believe that the nexus 4 is over-heating and under-clocking itself, or do you believe it is just in need of an update? Also, another thing I wonder is this: is it called the nexus 4 because it has a 4" (4.7", I know) display, or is it called a nexus 4, because it is the fourth nexus?
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I wouldn't say I'm good or experienced enough with Android smartphones to decide whether or not it's due to software, but I sure hope it is. I'm really only judging this particular issue by what everyone else is saying.
In regards to the sceen size and "Nexus 4" theory, I agree. Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 are a good example of device names in correlation with screen sizes here.
just wondering why did google name their nexus phone 10 wbefore the fourth one
I think it all came from a comment at Anandtech, they attempted to run all the GLBenchmark tests one after another, most web sites just chose 1 or 2 tests, usually Egypt HD. Most devices crash when trying to run all GLBenchmark test serially, it does on my Nexus 7, something to to do with running out of memory allocation.
Nexus 4 in a kind of suicidally awesome way completes the entire GLBenchmark suite in one go, but running all those test including offscreen & onscreen is a long brutal test, maxing out the SoC in a way no game is likely to do, so the fact that the device is thermal regulating itself is not that strange.
If Anandtech tested individual elements of GLBenchmark, as most other review sites do, this issue would not have occurred. In fact they admitted that the Optimus G could not run all tests consecutively, so they only tested individual elements, hence no the device didn't get downclcoked due to thermal limits. It is not good that Anandtech has this disparity in testing methodology, I like the website a lot, but some thing recently have led me to question a few things, but that is another story.
Every phone overheats nowadays so there's nothing different with the n4.
This is pretty interesting
Benchmark comparison. Once at room temp, once in freezer. Freezer scores are significantly better
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/...es-show-the-real-power-of-the-s4-pro-soc.html
So yeah... Kinda does look like pretty bad thermal issues Hopefully just cause it was pre-release or something
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If Anandtech tested individual elements of GLBenchmark, as most other review sites do, this issue would not have occurred. In fact they admitted that the Optimus G could not run all tests consecutively, so they only tested individual elements, hence no the device didn't get downclcoked due to thermal limits. It is not good that Anandtech has this disparity in testing methodology, I like the website a lot, but some thing recently have led me to question a few things, but that is another story.
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But they singled out the Optimus G, because it was unable to complete more complex tests because of crashes.
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This is pretty interesting
Benchmark comparison. Once at room temp, once in freezer. Freezer scores are significantly better
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/...es-show-the-real-power-of-the-s4-pro-soc.html
So yeah... Kinda does look like pretty bad thermal issues Hopefully just cause it was pre-release or something
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Wow, that is a very interesting find. I was actually thinking that someone should do a freezer test just see if it is overheating. This article would seem to prove that it is. Those retests show dramatically higher scores, more on par with what the S4 processor should be capable of.
They said that perhaps the retail versions will have a higher tolerance for heat because they did not think they felt that hot. More testing and info is needed though.
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They said that perhaps the retail versions will have a higher tolerance for heat because they did not think they felt that hot. More testing and info is needed though.
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To elaborate, straight from the source, in the Anandtech podcast this morning Brian commented that the phone seemed to be set to throttle at 60 degrees (for the dual-krait S4 at least it's usually around 80 afaik) and at that point the exterior of the phone was much cooler than a lot of other phones. (He talks about it at about 00:51:00.)
Something to think about.
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To elaborate, straight from the source, in the Anandtech podcast this morning Brian commented that the phone seemed to be set to throttle at 60 degrees (for the dual-krait S4 at least it's usually around 80 afaik) and at that point the exterior of the phone was much cooler than a lot of other phones. (He talks about it at about 00:51:00.)
Something to think about.
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That means it's a simple tweak, and so as long as people aren't noticing excessive heat (which we would have heard from reviews) on the phone itself then is sounds like things will be fine for the release.
Yes IT FREAKING OVERHEATS
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I know many people have been saying the low benchmark scores on the Nexus 4 are due to "thermal throttling" but I don't really believe this. It's supposedly based on the optimus g, and if that doesn't suffer from this thermal throttling issue, then why would the Nexus 4? I personally believe it's just due to the software. People are also saying that an update won't boost the performance by that much, but I know if I wrote the drivers for the phone, it wouldn't even start.
Do you guys really believe that the nexus 4 is over-heating and under-clocking itself, or do you believe it is just in need of an update? Also, another thing I wonder is this: is it called the nexus 4 because it has a 4" (4.7", I know) display, or is it called a nexus 4, because it is the fourth nexus?
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I've had the phone for five days now and it definitely overheats. The last time it overheated was this morning. I got up, looked at the phone and unplugged it from the charger. Went to attend to my toddler for 20 mins and came back and saw that the phone was very warm and battery life was hit 20 percent. I did a check on battery usage under 'battery' in settings and saw that the playstore app had sucked 50% of the power of late. This is HIGHLY unusual becuase usually the screen is what sucks the most juice. I turned it off and turned it back on and it went back to being normal. During this overheating the phone stutters EXTREMELY visibly. Probably due to the massive thermal throttling of the cores. Once it cools off it goes back to being normal. This happens randomly and occurs once or twice a day. I've reported the bug to google. Otherwise the phone is superb.
That sounds like the Play Store app is misbehaving. Have you tried clearing the data?
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Remember it's winter at northern hemisphere. So overheating might not be obvious.
Any friends in southern hemisphere (Australia) wanna chime in with their temperatures?
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I've had the phone for five days now and it definitely overheats. The last time it overheated was this morning. I got up, looked at the phone and unplugged it from the charger. Went to attend to my toddler for 20 mins and came back and saw that the phone was very warm and battery life was hit 20 percent. I did a check on battery usage under 'battery' in settings and saw that the playstore app had sucked 50% of the power of late. This is HIGHLY unusual becuase usually the screen is what sucks the most juice. I turned it off and turned it back on and it went back to being normal. During this overheating the phone stutters EXTREMELY visibly. Probably due to the massive thermal throttling of the cores. Once it cools off it goes back to being normal. This happens randomly and occurs once or twice a day. I've reported the bug to google. Otherwise the phone is superb.
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Same thing happened to me earlier today, I unplugged the phone from the charger and was extremely hot. I panic and shut the phone off. I rooted the phone last night so that was the only thing I did differently. I've had the phone for almost a week.
I also noticed the battery was draining way too quickly.
More like rogue apps... had the phone for over a month now, heavy usage every day and never once has it "overheated"as people say.
If im multitasking, like listening to music, downloading a torrent in the backgroud while playing angry birds or something the top back of the phone will get warm, but nothing unbearable if i deliberatly grab and hold the phone at that spot.
It's a glass phone... it will get warmer than most people are used to... its bascially the same glass that the new kitchen ovens use as a top surface... if you can cook on a glasstop stove... a phone heating up will be the same principle, albit on a smaller scale..
So yes, for the people complaining about heat.. then say in the next breath that they lost battery in some % form... funny how nobody is telling what they have installed as extra..or post screenshots of the battery page to back up the claim with info so we can help...large loss of battery % right away points to a rogue app somewhere.. you dont magically lose 10-20-50% whatever battery when unplugging the phone... thats something stuck running that is forcing your cpu to run at max for an extended period of time.
so as the internet expression says "fraps or it didnt happen" (screenshot or it didnt happen) lol
I am seeing battery temp reach 40C during antutu benchmark test running 4.2.2. Looks like it is only affecting a few devices. It gets warm during the benchmark test but nothing like unbearable heat.
Before I swap this thing out, I just wanted to poll you guys and see what the general concencus is.
I'm leaning towards "that's just how it is" after seeing Pocket Lints review that actually called it hot, not warm, but hot.
I have a Note 2 now and doing the same things, replying to forum post emails and browsing around, on WIFI no less, barely gets warm. G2 on the other hand becomes a heating pad...from top to bottom.
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Mine gets warm gaming and after a good span on the internet.
Haven't even had mine what I'd really even call warm let alone hot.
Cool as a cucumber here. Gets a little warm when doing something really cpu heavy. Nothing I would call "hot "
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Before I swap this thing out, I just wanted to poll you guys and see what the general concencus is.
I'm leaning towards "that's just how it is" after seeing Pocket Lints review that actually called it hot, not warm, but hot.
I have a Note 2 now and doing the same things, replying to forum post emails and browsing around, on WIFI no less, barely gets warm. G2 on the other hand becomes a heating pad...from top to bottom.
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How I mention already before in other posts. That is a build in feature of the phone. It is an automatic hand warmer. Specially useful in the winter time.
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So warm, room temp, cold as a veggie, and a hand warmer...
But more importantly, you all don't really believe one phone is cold and the other is hot, do you?
I'm inclined to believe they're all the same temp, but we all have different tolerance levels for heat.
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So warm, room temp, cold as a veggie, and a hand warmer...
But more importantly, you all don't really believe one phone is cold and the other is hot, do you?
I'm inclined to believe they're all the same temp, but we all have different tolerance levels for heat.
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Mind blowing...
The only time mine gets warm, (never hot) is after some graphic intensive gaming or Qi charging for a prolonged period (Nokia DT-900)
My Droid MAXX HD was a nice hand warmer though.
Well, obviously that's the case. But I really wanted to believe there was a cooler running G2 out there...its such a great phone.
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Well, obviously that's the case. But I really wanted to believe there was a cooler running G2 out there...its such a great phone.
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If it's running "hot" and you've already checked to make sure no apps have gone rogue, then I would definitely return it for another. We have 2 G2's bought from different parts of CA and neither have heat issues.
Hot means its eating battery too. Wouldn't be shocked if you got one from the bottom of the speed bin.
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Hot means its eating battery too. Wouldn't be shocked if you got one from the bottom of the speed bin.
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Or it could just mean the phone doesn't dissipate heat very well. I've noticed the screen in particular feeling warmer than I'm used to after some casual usage, but nothing that alarms me.
Have heard some people having heat and throttling issues with heavy graphical applications. However, it has seemed to be coming from the T-Mobile variants. I haven't heard a vzw user complain (yet)
Mine is fine (vzw)
I've been reading about lag, bad battery, phones running hot, volume buttons sticking and so on. I must really have been lucky! I've tried duplicating the problems but can't. I play games and surf the internet and forums for sometimes an hour and no heat issue
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I've been reading about lag, bad battery, phones running hot, volume buttons sticking and so on. I must really have been lucky! I've tried duplicating the problems but can't. I play games and surf the internet and forums for sometimes an hour and no heat issue
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+1. None of these issues are present with my device.
Yeah no issues here either. and get an app that reads batt. temp at least if ur gonna compare heat levels. Mine never gets above 100 F. my s4 only got to about 96 on heavy usage. And i just returned a Moto x cause it climbed to the highest ive seen a phone, 117.
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I've been reading about lag, bad battery, phones running hot, volume buttons sticking and so on. I must really have been lucky! I've tried duplicating the problems but can't. I play games and surf the internet and forums for sometimes an hour and no heat issue
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+1 here on Verizon and running heavy and no heat at all..
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hoola20055 said:
I've been reading about lag, bad battery, phones running hot, volume buttons sticking and so on. I must really have been lucky! I've tried duplicating the problems but can't. I play games and surf the internet and forums for sometimes an hour and no heat issue
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I truly believe these issues belong to people who came from older phones and are not well educated on how to efficiently use a smart phone. They load their phones with garbage apps and let it all run in the background while running game or streaming video in the foreground. They have a smoking fast phone that can run it all at once, but they are the first to cry and blame the phone when the battery drains fast or the phone gets hot.
Mine doesn't even get warm, let alone hot.
(Verizon version here)
I have the VZW model. I'd like to know what game or games people are experiencing bad performance with so i can test it. Anyone willing to share?
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If it's running "hot" and you've already checked to make sure no apps have gone rogue, then I would definitely return it for another. We have 2 G2's bought from different parts of CA and neither have heat issues.
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Replacement gets just as hot. I highly doubt I got 2 bad phones, tho I can't get GPS working on the new one. Went back to the Note 2...barely warm. I am surprised by the amount of you that are saying it doesn't get warm @ all though. I think I'm just more sensitive to heat and have a lower tolerance threshold than most of you. Thanks for all the replies.
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Mine doesn't even get warm, let alone hot.
(Verizon version here)
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I've never used an Android phone that doesn't at least get warm. I think you've lost all feeling in your hands!
We all know why LG choose 808 over 810, now let's see the results of their choice:
Here we'll talk about the G4 operating temperature.
Try to indicate your ambient temperature, model, display brightness, app(s) used, your cpu utilization (I use cool Tool for it), and of course temperature (for that purpose I use Cpu Temp wich basically reads bms sensor of Cpu-z in overlay, and Cpu-z itself) ;
Remember to distinguish battery temperature from cpu sensors temperature and if using cpuz remember that temperatures are very sensitive to time so measure it only while performing the task wanted.
Keep it as scientific as possible
*I forgot to mention that CpuZ has an erroneous C to F conversion. So keep it in °C to be accurate
There is an intersting heat comparison HERE on Android Central to begin with
Good idea. Do note that CPU-Z seems to have a bug where it converts temperatures incorrectly from C into F, in the Thermal tab. From what I've seen, CPU-Z should be set to display in C, not F, if you want accurate readings.
To see the issue, check the temps, including in the Battery tab, then in the Thermal tab. For me, in C, the Thermal tab numbers seem reasonable, and the "battery" line in Thermal is close to the temp shown in the Battery tab. But change the units to F, and the Thermal tab suddenly reads the battery, and everything else, too-high by about 30F. The temperatures are not converting properly from C to F, the displayed C and F values are not equivalent. This conversion issue appears using CPU-Z on my last phone, as well.
So if posting CPU-Z temps from the Thermal tab, I'd suggest setting it to C, not F.
Thanks, I forgot to mention it, added
What's the point of this thread? This isn't a PC, it's not like we can do anything about the temps.
kyle1867 said:
What's the point of this thread? This isn't a PC, it's not like we can do anything about the temps.
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That is where you are wrong. It's called we can hard mod the phone for better temps.
Total newbie question, is the temperature you're feeling on the hand the one from the CPU, or the one from the battery, which is closer to the hand?
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Total newbie question, is the temperature you're feeling on the hand the one from the CPU, or the one from the battery, which is closer to the hand?
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It should be the battery because I notice my phone getting warm pretty often and I have a widget for battery temperature which tends to go up to around 38 °C often. I didn't check CPU temperatures but I don't think the CPU is heating up too much.
82 F - sitting on the desk doing nothing but looking pretty. VZW, brightness at 0% and Auto.
All these freaking temperature problems will be resolved in a few months when the freezing winter arrive xdddddddddddddf
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That is where you are wrong. It's called we can hard mod the phone for better temps.
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Lol, no, you can't.
At least LG choosing 808 instead of 810 due to hear issue was the right choice.
https://youtu.be/HltGLYZLySs
Take a look at a link above, SD810 might have upper hands during cooled state but that changes quickly throttling down below SD808 specs. SD810 potentials are pretty much obsolete and probably will never run on full more than 5 minutes.
SD808 is holding its speed even running hot. So I wouldn't really worry about hear part for this phone. But I'm with some users here. Few software updates will iron out some heating problems.
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I've noticed that phone is getting hot when charging even if the phone is in standby. I'm getting around 40-44c.
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I've noticed that phone is getting hot when charging even if the phone is in standby. I'm getting around 40-44c.
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That's low for charging honestly if your referring to cpu temp. Most phone cpu temps stay around 25-35 idling and mid 40s when just doing simple scrolling and small tasks. 60-70c is fairly normal on heavier tasks and games. Kernels usually don't even start throttling until the cpu gets in the70-80c (generally most start shutting down cores at 80).
That being said, my G4 is one of the coolest running phones that I've messed around with. CPU-Z usually says that I'm in the low 40s even on some heavier tasks. I know that my Note 4 gets much warmer, much faster. Heavy web browsing for example will have my N4 in the upper 50s low 60s. The G4 stays pretty stable in the upper 40s low 50s. I'm happy they chose the processor that they did honestly. Stays pretty cool compared to the competition.
you can even mine cryptocurrency on this beast for hours on a normal (here normal) 27-30°C ambient temperature, and the battery gets to 44°C and the CPU gets into the 50s.
This phone has one of the BEST thermal management I've ever seen. I was a nexus 4 user, so you can see how much i was struggling.
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Thank you all
Please add which sensor are you referring to and with wich app you use to read sensors
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At least LG choosing 808 instead of 810 due to hear issue was the right choice.
https://youtu.be/HltGLYZLySs
Take a look at a link above, SD810 might have upper hands during cooled state but that changes quickly throttling down below SD808 specs. SD810 potentials are pretty much obsolete and probably will never run on full more than 5 minutes.
SD808 is holding its speed even running hot. So I wouldn't really worry about hear part for this phone. But I'm with some users here. Few software updates will iron out some heating problems.
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I don't pretend to be rude, but that information is outdated and inaccurate. I don't know how the other manufacturers are doing with the 810 to be honest, the Z3+ is sort of new and I've been checking the threads but there's too early to judge so far, it happens that I do have an HTC One M9 up to date, stock and unrooted and I've noticed several improvements through updates. Considering my daily usage I didn't feel this was matching with what I experience in real life, so I decided to redo the test on the video. I ran AnTuTu benchmark 64 bits version 4 times in a row, and left an average of a minute (sometimes less, once was a bit more cause I took the wrong screenshot) between tests. The attachments were uploaded in chronological order, you can also guide for the hour displayed from the device.
Now besides the video only runs 4 times, I did notice it was holding every couple of tests and then decreases, so I decided to run one more for the sake of pure testing and check throttling behavior, and surprisingly the fifth run gave me an increase on the score instead of lowering it further.
I didn't find a dedicated benchmark thread on the G4 forum, unless LG had improved a lot the 808, and based on the several benchmark results you'll find across the internet, including the ones in that video, looks like even throttling snapdragon 810 holds as an 808 in worst case scenario.
About heating problems, if I'm providing a success case scenario with a more troublesome chip like the 810 is, I'm completely sure the 808 will be fixed in time
phone gets crazy hot when running Periscope
it even shows that hot temp message / stops charging
try broadcasting for 5 mins
Intersting comparison between M9, S6, G4, Droid Turbo heat dissipation HERE
Periscope heats up the phone like crazy!
I too have had issues with the device getting very hot on the top half of the screen. Tried a couple of factory resets but it didn't help. Even reset one more time and kept it stock after a few hours same problem. Took it to the AT&T store and of course it was behaving fine. Luckily the rep knew me and accepted I knew what I was talking about. Swapping mine for one first thing this morning when their new shipment comes in. Will update if issue persists or not.
Wish I would have done it 3 days ago. Might have been snagged another battery and leather case lol.
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I've been running benchmarks on this phone.
I've noticed a couple of things.
Thermal throttling on this phone starts at a very low threshold and is very aggressive.
Supposedly the maximum frequency of the large cluster is 2.45 GHz
At room temperature my phone never reaches that performance.
Here is a copy of the thermal-engine.conf, pulled from system/etc.
As soon as you start to benchmark the speed starts dropping:
At room temp I get Antutu ssores in the 130-150K range.
If the phone has been in a very cool room I get 160K numbers.
If I put it in a very cold environment for a few minutes I can get numbers in the 178K range.
Back to back runs plunge performance.
So it does not surprise me that the phone freezes at times.
Not happy that the phone throttles like this.
I have also found that if the phone gets to 44C then the throttling is so bad that a LG G4 or Samsung Galaxy S6 will outperform this phone.
So the thermal-engine.conf has this phone crippled.
This is speculative, but I wonder if overheating was the cause of the release delay. If so, perhaps this was the workaround they implemented to get the device out. That said, if throttling is the culprit then it could explain why my phone runs like an Evo3D much of the time. Generally before use, it's in my pocket, which is body temperature and the phone is always warm. Maybe even pocket-temp causes throttling?
Oh well, return initiated yesterday, awaiting response from CS - I just can't stand to take a chance a potentially crippled device. While the updated did increase the responsiveness of the screen a slight bit, I didn't see an overwhelming change that put this in the category of other devices running similar hardware. Back to the OP3...
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This is speculative, but I wonder if overheating was the cause of the release delay. If so, perhaps this was the workaround they implemented to get the device out. That said, if throttling is the culprit then it could explain why my phone runs like an Evo3D much of the time. Generally before use, it's in my pocket, which is body temperature and the phone is always warm. Maybe even pocket-temp causes throttling?
Oh well, return initiated yesterday, awaiting response from CS - I just can't stand to take a chance a potentially crippled device. While the updated did increase the responsiveness of the screen a slight bit, I didn't see an overwhelming change that put this in the category of other devices running similar hardware. Back to the OP3...
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So the device won't get really hot.
It won't even get that warm unless it's charging.
If you put it on a charger, it will be throttled after about a minute.
If I run Antutu and start out with the device sitting on a table in a cool room (too many conditions), I can get a score of about 167K.
If I sit it on a baggy of ice, I can get a score of about 177K but never unless the device is artificially chilled.
But if you run Antutu back to back or GeekBench and look at the temp, as soon as it hits 43C, you hit a wall.
The device won't heat up more than that but it's now running only slightly faster than a 6P and slower than a Pixel XL or Moto Z.
I don't want to pay $850 (yes that much if you include the extended warranty and tax) for a marginal device.
If I had root, I would have played with the thermal-engine.conf. It can't be right.
You go from full performance to half in a matter of 4 degrees C.
I have looked at other files for other devices and I've never seen anything that aggressive.
Even the 6P was not that bad.
I have an iPhone 6s (work) and no matter ho many times I run the test I always get about the same numbers.
I have my phone charging and I ran the test and I just got 115K. So on a charger the performance is 65% of max.
This is why I'm sending it back. Might as well be a LG G6.
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So the device won't get really hot.
It won't even get that warm unless it's charging.
If you put it on a charger, it will be throttled after about a minute.
If I run Antutu and start out with the device sitting on a table in a cool room (too many conditions), I can get a score of about 167K.
If I sit it on a baggy of ice, I can get a score of about 177K but never unless the device is artificially chilled.
But if you run Antutu back to back or GeekBench and look at the temp, as soon as it hits 43C, you hit a wall.
The device won't heat up more than that but it's now running only slightly faster than a 6P and slower than a Pixel XL or Moto Z.
I don't want to pay $850 (yes that much if you include the extended warranty and tax) for a marginal device.
If I had root, I would have played with the thermal-engine.conf. It can't be right.
You go from full performance to half in a matter of 4 degrees C.
I have looked at other files for other devices and I've never seen anything that aggressive.
Even the 6P was not that bad.
I have an iPhone 6s (work) and no matter ho many times I run the test I always get about the same numbers.
I have my phone charging and I ran the test and I just got 115K. So on a charger the performance is 65% of max.
This is why I'm sending it back. Might as well be a LG G6.
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Good to know, and thanks for the thorough diagnostic! Even with rooting and changing the throttle configs, I fear a voided warranty and bricked phone if it's a design flaw and not a software bug. It's just not worth it for me to wait and see when there are other new and shiny things just around the corner. *squirrel*
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Good to know, and thanks for the thorough diagnostic! Even with rooting and changing the throttle configs, I fear a voided warranty and bricked phone if it's a design flaw and not a software bug. It's just not worth it for me to wait and see when there are other new and shiny things just around the corner. *squirrel*
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I'm pretty sure it's a mistake in the thermal-engine.conf.
I actually contacted them and submitted my information.
You don't throttle from 39-40C down to 50%
I've worked designing chips for better than 25 years.
If the 835 is more efficient than the 810, then there is no need for anything that aggressive.
Anyway, I asked for a RMA and they are sending a the boxes/envelopes.
No cases is a big deal for me also.
Since I'm already at $900 for the phone and camera (taxes and insurance). I might as well give the X a look.
Yeah, it costs more but if I'm already at $900 another couple of hundred isn't going to matter.
Unfortunately, I have to go back to my LG G3 since my 6P was sold and shipped last week.
Hi has anyone else looked at the thermal throttling on this device?
I complained with the initial release.
I haven't seen anything.
My LG G6 with a Snapdragon 821 outperforms this phone.
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Maybe something wrong with your unit? Update it and factory reset.
Mine destroys any SD821 phone all day and night.
ChronoReverse said:
Maybe something wrong with your unit? Update it and factory reset.
Mine destroys any SD821 phone all day and night.
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Run Antutu back to back and watch your performance degrade.
Run Geekbench or Vellamo and post your scores.
The SD821 device is an LG G6 and it uses a heat pipe to get heat away from the CPU and it scores the same kind of numbers as the Essential unless you mess with thermal-engine.conf on the Essential.
I've tweaked mine and phone is blazing fast now and doesn't throttle as early.
Stock this phone throttles like crazy.
Is this phone just slow, like almost unusably slow all the time? Over here, I got it less than a week ago, stock, maybe 30 apps in total, no major drainer such as FB or the like.
And yet, compared to my one year old OnePlus 3 this is crawling and painfully slow. Just earlier today I erased its cache and restarted it. It helped for a few minutes I guess. When it's slow like this, can't listen to Google music via Bluetooth because it's stuttering continuously, every once in a while I'd touch an icon and it takes seconds to start an app and no feedback from UI until then. A few moments ago I was taking some photos with stock camera and attempted to delete a pic from thumbnails, the app froze for a few seconds then it just deleted 2 pics in the meantime.
I bought this during the bf deals for 400$ with camera but thinking of returning it.
I only wonder how anybody else finds this phone usable at all in day to day usage?
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No stutters, just the touchscreen jank. Maybe update to latest OTA and factory reset?
@tech_head
You realize the Essential has a heatpipe too right?
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No stutters, just the touchscreen jank. Maybe update to latest OTA and factory reset?
@tech_head
You realize the Essential has a heatpipe too right?
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It may, but the the thresholds for heat throttling are so low you can force throttling just by running Antutu.
Until I played with the "thermal-engine.conf" getting reliable results was hit or miss.
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It may, but the the thresholds for heat throttling are so low you can force throttling just by running Antutu.
Until I played with the "thermal-engine.conf" getting reliable results was hit or miss.
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https://imgur.com/a/916Bf
For ****s and giggles I just ran Antutu three times in a row. I stared at it so I could take the screenshot of the result immediately after it's done and run it again. The phone is just sitting on my desk, it got warm but not as hot as my HTC 10 did and nowhere near where my Nexus 6P burned at. Looks like a little throttling but not very much.
And then I ran Geekbench 4 right after the third run because I already had it installed and got 1898/6470. Normally get around 1850/6500 so the result I got after so much heat build up doesn't seem like any throttling there either.
Stock Nougat NMJ51B, Magisk rooted so I can use Titanium Backup and Adaway.
I dunno, maybe you have faulty hardware?
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https://imgur.com/a/916Bf
For ****s and giggles I just ran Antutu three times in a row. I stared at it so I could take the screenshot of the result immediately after it's done and run it again. The phone is just sitting on my desk, it got warm but not as hot as my HTC 10 did and nowhere near where my Nexus 6P burned at. Looks like a little throttling but not very much.
And then I ran Geekbench 4 right after the third run because I already had it installed and got 1898/6470. Normally get around 1850/6500 so the result I got after so much heat build up doesn't seem like any throttling there either.
Stock Nougat NMJ51B, Magisk rooted so I can use Titanium Backup and Adaway.
I dunno, maybe you have faulty hardware?
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I'm inclined to agree with Chrono...
Ran Antutu 3x and got the following:
167746
167400
168142
In that order. I dont see any throttling occuring. Running on the Oreo beta, no root.
So I came across this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
And lo and behold the cpu does throttle under extensive load.
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So I came across this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
And lo and behold the cpu does throttle under extensive load.
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Interesting app. So it does appear to throttle, but honestly, any passively cooled CPU running at max speed for a consistent period of time would have to eventually. The type of stress an app like this puts the CPU under is uncommon however, even intensive games will not consistently stress the CPU as much as an app like this.
That said, my throttling doesn't appear anywhere near as dramatic as yours, and it recovers quickly, as soon as the temp drops below a threshold it spikes back to near full performance.
This is how Intel and AMD's turbo boosts work as well, they will boost to a certain speed until it is thermally not feasible for the safety of the processor.
Qualcomm's own documents state that the performance cluster of cores supplies "up to" 2.35GHz
https://wccftech.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-specifications-design-details/
Throttling under extreme conditions is normal. Even iPhones throttle after a bit if you put the right kind of load on it.
The question here is whether it throttles more than the LG G6 and I can guarantee if the OP tried running that particular throttle app on the LG G6 that it'll throttle too.
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Throttling under extreme conditions is normal. Even iPhones throttle after a bit if you put the right kind of load on it.
The question here is whether it throttles more than the LG G6 and I can guarantee if the OP tried running that particular throttle app on the LG G6 that it'll throttle too.
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I haven't run any throttling app.
I have just found that running Antutu two consecutive times yield wildly different results.
I also found that even slightly above room temp, the phone will throttle.
This was the case with the very first one I had at release and the one I got through Sprint on Friday.
And the throttling is much worse than my LG.
In the same tests my LG will throttle much. much later then the Essential.
To the point that I can get better performance with my LG than I can with an unmodified Essential.
I meant this app posted by avd: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
Try running that on your LG G6 and take a screenshot.
Anyway, if your Essential is throttling that much, it's probably defective hardware, maybe the heatpipe isn't seated correctly.
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I meant this app posted by avd: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
Try running that on your LG G6 and take a screenshot.
Anyway, if your Essential is throttling that much, it's probably defective hardware, maybe the heatpipe isn't seated correctly.
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This was a 5 Minute test of GIPS with the application.
Peak Ave Min %Throttle
LG G6 -> 99.4. 81.9. 38 63% (Took more than 2 minutes before it dropped to below 90% in performance. )
PH-1 ->137.86. 103 69 69% (Throttling in the first minute and cycled but rarely got above 75% perf).
PH-1 ->137 116 94.95. 81%. (This is with a custom thermal-engine.conf you see dips but not many below 90%)
So the PH-1 throttles early and hard, but it levels out.
The LG manages heat better but when it throttles after 2-3 minutes it's pretty hard (50%)
How this translates into real world performance is that the stock PH-1 will appear to lag, since under load it throttles early under short peaks.
The LG takes longer to get into a state of throttling so it feels smoother.
So in short benchmarks; Geekbench Vellamo and Antutu where you get some shorts bursts of high activity the PH-1 will ive unreliable results because of early throttling. The LG G6 will look better because it takes a lot longer to throttle. Benchmarks will be more predictable and performance will appear better. It looks like the LG G6 heat pipe is more efficient, but when you saturate it, game over.
Since the Essential throttles early the limits to 67% of the clock while throttled it has overall better characteristics when throttled.
The LG on the other hand, takes a while to throttle but the first step down in performance is to ~50% clock frequency.
Anyway, with a custom thermal-engine.conf things are much better.
A custom kernel would give better results.
Don't get me wrong, I like the PH-1 but it throttles early.
This is my second device with a three month separation in build date.
The odds of me getting to with a wonky heat pipe are pretty low.
Where's your screenshot? We have two examples here where the PH-1 with 8 cores throttle to 65% and 80% but in a All-Core test like this, the SD821 is only 65% the speed of the SD835 in the first place.
Even throttled to the screenshotted levels, the Essential can still keep up with the LG G6 at full speed
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Where's your screenshot? We have two examples here where the PH-1 with 8 cores throttle to 65% and 80% but in a All-Core test like this, the SD821 is only 65% the speed of the SD835 in the first place.
Even throttled to the screenshotted levels, the Essential can still keep up with the LG G6 at full speed
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Hi,
I don't have the ability to do the screen shots.
But as I indicated, it takes a lot longer for the LG G6 to start throttling.
It takes almost 2 minutes before any throttling on the LG G6 (+90% of max performance), but the PH-1 will start almost immediately.
So the LG G6 is at +90% but the PH-1 with the stock thermal-engine.conf almost immediately throttles to 60-70% then recovers and stabilizes some time later.
So as I said the overall performance of the PH-1 s most definitely better, but the PH-! may appear to stutter under heavy load initially, where the LG G6 takes longer to throttle and will appear to have more stable benchmark performance for short benchmarks.
Would you post your config changes please?
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Would you post your config changes please?
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Here is the thermal file I use.
You have to be rooted and it goes into /system/system/etc with 644 permissions.
Also you need to remove the ".txt" extension.
It looks like in the last few update Essential has tweaked performance.
I don't see any throttling like before.