I know many people have been saying the low benchmark scores on the Nexus 4 are due to "thermal throttling" but I don't really believe this. It's supposedly based on the optimus g, and if that doesn't suffer from this thermal throttling issue, then why would the Nexus 4? I personally believe it's just due to the software. People are also saying that an update won't boost the performance by that much, but I'm not sure what to believe.
So do you guys really believe that the nexus 4 is over-heating and under-clocking itself, or do you believe it is just in need of an update?
It may be a faulty unit from that reviewer, I only recall one review saying it overheated. The software is also to blame. I made a post in another thread about the performance with these pre-release software versions the reviewers have.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33634026#post33634026
Unfinalized software on all these review devices is probably the bottleneck. Not to mention benchmarks have zero bearing on anything ever.
And Testing units and software do have a tendency to carry heavy logcats and monitoring software... I remember from the ICS days how "heavy" most leaks would run progressively getting better by the update ...
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Unfinalized software on all these review devices is probably the bottleneck. Not to mention benchmarks have zero bearing on anything ever.
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Whilst benchmarks shouldn't matter too much, when this beastly specced phone is getting worse scores than the msm8960 with adreno 225, then it will obviously raise some concerns.
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I know many people have been saying the low benchmark scores on the Nexus 4 are due to "thermal throttling" but I don't really believe this. It's supposedly based on the optimus g, and if that doesn't suffer from this thermal throttling issue, then why would the Nexus 4? I personally believe it's just due to the software. People are also saying that an update won't boost the performance by that much, but I know if I wrote the drivers for the phone, it wouldn't even start.
Do you guys really believe that the nexus 4 is over-heating and under-clocking itself, or do you believe it is just in need of an update? Also, another thing I wonder is this: is it called the nexus 4 because it has a 4" (4.7", I know) display, or is it called a nexus 4, because it is the fourth nexus?
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I wouldn't say I'm good or experienced enough with Android smartphones to decide whether or not it's due to software, but I sure hope it is. I'm really only judging this particular issue by what everyone else is saying.
In regards to the sceen size and "Nexus 4" theory, I agree. Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 are a good example of device names in correlation with screen sizes here.
just wondering why did google name their nexus phone 10 wbefore the fourth one
I think it all came from a comment at Anandtech, they attempted to run all the GLBenchmark tests one after another, most web sites just chose 1 or 2 tests, usually Egypt HD. Most devices crash when trying to run all GLBenchmark test serially, it does on my Nexus 7, something to to do with running out of memory allocation.
Nexus 4 in a kind of suicidally awesome way completes the entire GLBenchmark suite in one go, but running all those test including offscreen & onscreen is a long brutal test, maxing out the SoC in a way no game is likely to do, so the fact that the device is thermal regulating itself is not that strange.
If Anandtech tested individual elements of GLBenchmark, as most other review sites do, this issue would not have occurred. In fact they admitted that the Optimus G could not run all tests consecutively, so they only tested individual elements, hence no the device didn't get downclcoked due to thermal limits. It is not good that Anandtech has this disparity in testing methodology, I like the website a lot, but some thing recently have led me to question a few things, but that is another story.
Every phone overheats nowadays so there's nothing different with the n4.
This is pretty interesting
Benchmark comparison. Once at room temp, once in freezer. Freezer scores are significantly better
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/...es-show-the-real-power-of-the-s4-pro-soc.html
So yeah... Kinda does look like pretty bad thermal issues Hopefully just cause it was pre-release or something
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If Anandtech tested individual elements of GLBenchmark, as most other review sites do, this issue would not have occurred. In fact they admitted that the Optimus G could not run all tests consecutively, so they only tested individual elements, hence no the device didn't get downclcoked due to thermal limits. It is not good that Anandtech has this disparity in testing methodology, I like the website a lot, but some thing recently have led me to question a few things, but that is another story.
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But they singled out the Optimus G, because it was unable to complete more complex tests because of crashes.
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This is pretty interesting
Benchmark comparison. Once at room temp, once in freezer. Freezer scores are significantly better
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/...es-show-the-real-power-of-the-s4-pro-soc.html
So yeah... Kinda does look like pretty bad thermal issues Hopefully just cause it was pre-release or something
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Wow, that is a very interesting find. I was actually thinking that someone should do a freezer test just see if it is overheating. This article would seem to prove that it is. Those retests show dramatically higher scores, more on par with what the S4 processor should be capable of.
They said that perhaps the retail versions will have a higher tolerance for heat because they did not think they felt that hot. More testing and info is needed though.
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They said that perhaps the retail versions will have a higher tolerance for heat because they did not think they felt that hot. More testing and info is needed though.
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To elaborate, straight from the source, in the Anandtech podcast this morning Brian commented that the phone seemed to be set to throttle at 60 degrees (for the dual-krait S4 at least it's usually around 80 afaik) and at that point the exterior of the phone was much cooler than a lot of other phones. (He talks about it at about 00:51:00.)
Something to think about.
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To elaborate, straight from the source, in the Anandtech podcast this morning Brian commented that the phone seemed to be set to throttle at 60 degrees (for the dual-krait S4 at least it's usually around 80 afaik) and at that point the exterior of the phone was much cooler than a lot of other phones. (He talks about it at about 00:51:00.)
Something to think about.
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That means it's a simple tweak, and so as long as people aren't noticing excessive heat (which we would have heard from reviews) on the phone itself then is sounds like things will be fine for the release.
Yes IT FREAKING OVERHEATS
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I know many people have been saying the low benchmark scores on the Nexus 4 are due to "thermal throttling" but I don't really believe this. It's supposedly based on the optimus g, and if that doesn't suffer from this thermal throttling issue, then why would the Nexus 4? I personally believe it's just due to the software. People are also saying that an update won't boost the performance by that much, but I know if I wrote the drivers for the phone, it wouldn't even start.
Do you guys really believe that the nexus 4 is over-heating and under-clocking itself, or do you believe it is just in need of an update? Also, another thing I wonder is this: is it called the nexus 4 because it has a 4" (4.7", I know) display, or is it called a nexus 4, because it is the fourth nexus?
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I've had the phone for five days now and it definitely overheats. The last time it overheated was this morning. I got up, looked at the phone and unplugged it from the charger. Went to attend to my toddler for 20 mins and came back and saw that the phone was very warm and battery life was hit 20 percent. I did a check on battery usage under 'battery' in settings and saw that the playstore app had sucked 50% of the power of late. This is HIGHLY unusual becuase usually the screen is what sucks the most juice. I turned it off and turned it back on and it went back to being normal. During this overheating the phone stutters EXTREMELY visibly. Probably due to the massive thermal throttling of the cores. Once it cools off it goes back to being normal. This happens randomly and occurs once or twice a day. I've reported the bug to google. Otherwise the phone is superb.
That sounds like the Play Store app is misbehaving. Have you tried clearing the data?
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Remember it's winter at northern hemisphere. So overheating might not be obvious.
Any friends in southern hemisphere (Australia) wanna chime in with their temperatures?
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I've had the phone for five days now and it definitely overheats. The last time it overheated was this morning. I got up, looked at the phone and unplugged it from the charger. Went to attend to my toddler for 20 mins and came back and saw that the phone was very warm and battery life was hit 20 percent. I did a check on battery usage under 'battery' in settings and saw that the playstore app had sucked 50% of the power of late. This is HIGHLY unusual becuase usually the screen is what sucks the most juice. I turned it off and turned it back on and it went back to being normal. During this overheating the phone stutters EXTREMELY visibly. Probably due to the massive thermal throttling of the cores. Once it cools off it goes back to being normal. This happens randomly and occurs once or twice a day. I've reported the bug to google. Otherwise the phone is superb.
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Same thing happened to me earlier today, I unplugged the phone from the charger and was extremely hot. I panic and shut the phone off. I rooted the phone last night so that was the only thing I did differently. I've had the phone for almost a week.
I also noticed the battery was draining way too quickly.
More like rogue apps... had the phone for over a month now, heavy usage every day and never once has it "overheated"as people say.
If im multitasking, like listening to music, downloading a torrent in the backgroud while playing angry birds or something the top back of the phone will get warm, but nothing unbearable if i deliberatly grab and hold the phone at that spot.
It's a glass phone... it will get warmer than most people are used to... its bascially the same glass that the new kitchen ovens use as a top surface... if you can cook on a glasstop stove... a phone heating up will be the same principle, albit on a smaller scale..
So yes, for the people complaining about heat.. then say in the next breath that they lost battery in some % form... funny how nobody is telling what they have installed as extra..or post screenshots of the battery page to back up the claim with info so we can help...large loss of battery % right away points to a rogue app somewhere.. you dont magically lose 10-20-50% whatever battery when unplugging the phone... thats something stuck running that is forcing your cpu to run at max for an extended period of time.
so as the internet expression says "fraps or it didnt happen" (screenshot or it didnt happen) lol
I am seeing battery temp reach 40C during antutu benchmark test running 4.2.2. Looks like it is only affecting a few devices. It gets warm during the benchmark test but nothing like unbearable heat.
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at the moment i've got a nexus s and am seriously considering moving on to a nexus 4, i was wondering if anybody else has made the same move as i would like to know how is the battery life on the n4 compared to the ns. i assume it will be worse but i'm hoping it isn't that much of a difference. thanks
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at the moment i've got a nexus s and am seriously considering moving on to a nexus 4, i was wondering if anybody else has made the same move as i would like to know how is the battery life on the n4 compared to the ns. i assume it will be worse but i'm hoping it isn't that much of a difference. thanks
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made the switch about a week ago. for me the battery life is definitely better. take note that the nexus s only had a 1500mah battery. the phone is a bit big but im quickly getting used to the size. this phone is also lag free.
thing that bothers me is that the phone gets really hot. mine hits 43 degrees celcius when playing games. im thinking of rooting to undervolt it.
The N4 is slightly more power hungry i would say but it is nothing a custom rom cant fix.
my previous device was a Nexus S. I made the switch when the S started to lag/freeze real bad and the battery started draining rapidly. I'm not one to switch devices every year but I'm glad I waited for the N4. Performance is buttery smooth, screen size is awesome, and battery life is excellent. Only minor gripe is that after rooting, it seems my phone sucks up more juice..but could be an isolated incident.
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made the switch about a week ago. for me the battery life is definitely better. take note that the nexus s only had a 1500mah battery. the phone is a bit big but im quickly getting used to the size. this phone is also lag free.
thing that bothers me is that the phone gets really hot. mine hits 43 degrees celcius when playing games. im thinking of rooting to undervolt it.
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43 degrees is not hot... I'm not sure if you're talking case temp or die temp but put it in perspective - the SandyBridge quad core in my desktop PC doesn't throttle 'till 97 degrees C and the ATI GPU in the same system is similar (not that I'd let them get that hot, but Intel and ATI call it 'safe') Obviously this varies from chip to chip, and a CPU running at 80 degrees C is going to make a tablet or phone pretty difficult to hold on to but I'd imagine the limits they've defined are more about protecting the user and the battery (Li-Ion batteries don't like getting hot...) than the SoC itself. Also, the power consumption of a silicon transistor is directly proportional to its temperature, voltage and switching speed. If you let the device get too hot, battery life would go south quite rapidly.
Without undervolting, the Tegra 3 in my Nexus 7 will hit 70+ under simultaneous GPU/CPU load and this is how Google/Asus/NVidia shipped it, so seriously... Don't worry. I don't have an app that can monitor temps on the N4 and neither do I want to know so I'm not about to start fishing about for thermals in sysfs, although I'm sure it's cooler with a 200mV CPU undervolt than stock
I once peered into a rack owned by a client of mine to see one of the servers with a bright red flashing light on it... I asked the guys "how long has this been happening?!" - 4 years of running under high CPU loads at 90 degrees with a ceased fan wasn't enough to kill it, I doubt much will.
ok thanks for the replies was a bit worried that the battery life would be considerable worse but you've set my mind at ease, nexus 4 here i come :good:
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ok thanks for the replies was a bit worried that the battery life would be considerable worse but you've set my mind at ease, nexus 4 here i come :good:
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With the right ROM and kernel, the Nexus 4 is giving me the best battery life of any Android phone I've yet owned. Admittedly, it was just light browsing and youtube-watching, but I got 7 hours screen-on through my last charge cycle... Which is double what I got out of my One X with the same kind of usage!
You won't regret it Just don't put it down on even slightly slanted glossy surfaces with no case covering it... LG appear to have invented the perpetual motion phone!
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With the right ROM and kernel, the Nexus 4 is giving me the best battery life of any Android phone I've yet owned. Admittedly, it was just light browsing and youtube-watching, but I got 7 hours screen-on through my last charge cycle... Which is double what I got out of my One X with the same kind of usage!
You won't regret it Just don't put it down on even slightly slanted glossy surfaces with no case covering it... LG appear to have invented the perpetual motion phone!
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Wow, still can't quite reach seven hours. Most I've had is about six and a half.
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Made the jump myself about a week ago, my Nexus S was starting to lag quite badly and reboot itself a lot. Nexus 4 is leaps and bounds better, no lag, love the screen and battery life seems a little better but not much to be honest, might try rooting and see if it makes a difference with a custom kernal. Very pleased with it overall. Only thing I dislike is the lack of a removable battery and lack of sd card slot but will have to live with it.
We all know why LG choose 808 over 810, now let's see the results of their choice:
Here we'll talk about the G4 operating temperature.
Try to indicate your ambient temperature, model, display brightness, app(s) used, your cpu utilization (I use cool Tool for it), and of course temperature (for that purpose I use Cpu Temp wich basically reads bms sensor of Cpu-z in overlay, and Cpu-z itself) ;
Remember to distinguish battery temperature from cpu sensors temperature and if using cpuz remember that temperatures are very sensitive to time so measure it only while performing the task wanted.
Keep it as scientific as possible
*I forgot to mention that CpuZ has an erroneous C to F conversion. So keep it in °C to be accurate
There is an intersting heat comparison HERE on Android Central to begin with
Good idea. Do note that CPU-Z seems to have a bug where it converts temperatures incorrectly from C into F, in the Thermal tab. From what I've seen, CPU-Z should be set to display in C, not F, if you want accurate readings.
To see the issue, check the temps, including in the Battery tab, then in the Thermal tab. For me, in C, the Thermal tab numbers seem reasonable, and the "battery" line in Thermal is close to the temp shown in the Battery tab. But change the units to F, and the Thermal tab suddenly reads the battery, and everything else, too-high by about 30F. The temperatures are not converting properly from C to F, the displayed C and F values are not equivalent. This conversion issue appears using CPU-Z on my last phone, as well.
So if posting CPU-Z temps from the Thermal tab, I'd suggest setting it to C, not F.
Thanks, I forgot to mention it, added
What's the point of this thread? This isn't a PC, it's not like we can do anything about the temps.
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What's the point of this thread? This isn't a PC, it's not like we can do anything about the temps.
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That is where you are wrong. It's called we can hard mod the phone for better temps.
Total newbie question, is the temperature you're feeling on the hand the one from the CPU, or the one from the battery, which is closer to the hand?
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Total newbie question, is the temperature you're feeling on the hand the one from the CPU, or the one from the battery, which is closer to the hand?
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It should be the battery because I notice my phone getting warm pretty often and I have a widget for battery temperature which tends to go up to around 38 °C often. I didn't check CPU temperatures but I don't think the CPU is heating up too much.
82 F - sitting on the desk doing nothing but looking pretty. VZW, brightness at 0% and Auto.
All these freaking temperature problems will be resolved in a few months when the freezing winter arrive xdddddddddddddf
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That is where you are wrong. It's called we can hard mod the phone for better temps.
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Lol, no, you can't.
At least LG choosing 808 instead of 810 due to hear issue was the right choice.
https://youtu.be/HltGLYZLySs
Take a look at a link above, SD810 might have upper hands during cooled state but that changes quickly throttling down below SD808 specs. SD810 potentials are pretty much obsolete and probably will never run on full more than 5 minutes.
SD808 is holding its speed even running hot. So I wouldn't really worry about hear part for this phone. But I'm with some users here. Few software updates will iron out some heating problems.
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I've noticed that phone is getting hot when charging even if the phone is in standby. I'm getting around 40-44c.
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I've noticed that phone is getting hot when charging even if the phone is in standby. I'm getting around 40-44c.
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That's low for charging honestly if your referring to cpu temp. Most phone cpu temps stay around 25-35 idling and mid 40s when just doing simple scrolling and small tasks. 60-70c is fairly normal on heavier tasks and games. Kernels usually don't even start throttling until the cpu gets in the70-80c (generally most start shutting down cores at 80).
That being said, my G4 is one of the coolest running phones that I've messed around with. CPU-Z usually says that I'm in the low 40s even on some heavier tasks. I know that my Note 4 gets much warmer, much faster. Heavy web browsing for example will have my N4 in the upper 50s low 60s. The G4 stays pretty stable in the upper 40s low 50s. I'm happy they chose the processor that they did honestly. Stays pretty cool compared to the competition.
you can even mine cryptocurrency on this beast for hours on a normal (here normal) 27-30°C ambient temperature, and the battery gets to 44°C and the CPU gets into the 50s.
This phone has one of the BEST thermal management I've ever seen. I was a nexus 4 user, so you can see how much i was struggling.
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Thank you all
Please add which sensor are you referring to and with wich app you use to read sensors
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At least LG choosing 808 instead of 810 due to hear issue was the right choice.
https://youtu.be/HltGLYZLySs
Take a look at a link above, SD810 might have upper hands during cooled state but that changes quickly throttling down below SD808 specs. SD810 potentials are pretty much obsolete and probably will never run on full more than 5 minutes.
SD808 is holding its speed even running hot. So I wouldn't really worry about hear part for this phone. But I'm with some users here. Few software updates will iron out some heating problems.
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I don't pretend to be rude, but that information is outdated and inaccurate. I don't know how the other manufacturers are doing with the 810 to be honest, the Z3+ is sort of new and I've been checking the threads but there's too early to judge so far, it happens that I do have an HTC One M9 up to date, stock and unrooted and I've noticed several improvements through updates. Considering my daily usage I didn't feel this was matching with what I experience in real life, so I decided to redo the test on the video. I ran AnTuTu benchmark 64 bits version 4 times in a row, and left an average of a minute (sometimes less, once was a bit more cause I took the wrong screenshot) between tests. The attachments were uploaded in chronological order, you can also guide for the hour displayed from the device.
Now besides the video only runs 4 times, I did notice it was holding every couple of tests and then decreases, so I decided to run one more for the sake of pure testing and check throttling behavior, and surprisingly the fifth run gave me an increase on the score instead of lowering it further.
I didn't find a dedicated benchmark thread on the G4 forum, unless LG had improved a lot the 808, and based on the several benchmark results you'll find across the internet, including the ones in that video, looks like even throttling snapdragon 810 holds as an 808 in worst case scenario.
About heating problems, if I'm providing a success case scenario with a more troublesome chip like the 810 is, I'm completely sure the 808 will be fixed in time
phone gets crazy hot when running Periscope
it even shows that hot temp message / stops charging
try broadcasting for 5 mins
Intersting comparison between M9, S6, G4, Droid Turbo heat dissipation HERE
Periscope heats up the phone like crazy!
I too have had issues with the device getting very hot on the top half of the screen. Tried a couple of factory resets but it didn't help. Even reset one more time and kept it stock after a few hours same problem. Took it to the AT&T store and of course it was behaving fine. Luckily the rep knew me and accepted I knew what I was talking about. Swapping mine for one first thing this morning when their new shipment comes in. Will update if issue persists or not.
Wish I would have done it 3 days ago. Might have been snagged another battery and leather case lol.
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Hello everyone
Yesterday I received my Moto X pure Edition, after 3 hour of charge I transfer all of my files and stuff from my old Nexus 5. After a few minutes of use I noticed that the phone started to overheat excessively (110 farenheit) and the battery only lasted 3 hours, I did a complete reset of the phone but the same result overheat after 15 minutes of use.
I replaced/updated the play services software and same thing.
Someone has the same problem???
Please Advice...
Arnt u glad its not the 810 lolol.. But in all seriousness i get about 4-5 hrs ost, depending what i do yes my phone gets hot but thats normal..
It all depends what ur doing when ur phone gets hot, are u watching videos.. Playing games.. Multitasking
Mine was 95-100° doing literally nothing but texting or on the web. Mine is going back asap. Gets way too hot and nothing special about it
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Mine was 95-100° doing literally nothing but texting or on the web. Mine is going back asap. Gets way too hot and nothing special about it
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Where did you buy the phone???
If you were setting up your phone of course it will get hot. After that it should settle down unless rogue app or games.
Had mine a couple days now, no heat issues.
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Where did you buy the phone???
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moto maker
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If you were setting up your phone of course it will get hot. After that it should settle down unless rogue app or games.
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and i was web browsing, facebook and texting and it was almost 100 degrees! Note 4 doing same things 85 ish
Mine also seems to heat up greatly for no apparent reason. Please tell me this isn't some kind of defect.
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Mine also seems to heat up greatly for no apparent reason. Please tell me this isn't some kind of defect.
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Looks like is a defect, I requested a exchange on Amazon...
Locklear308 said:
Mine also seems to heat up greatly for no apparent reason. Please tell me this isn't some kind of defect.
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I honestly don't think it is. I had 3 G4s and they were all hot and glitchy. I honestly think it is the sd808. Back when I called Samsung about exchanged a note 4 developer edition the guy told me that snapdragon 808/810 were heat prone and they would not be using them for upcoming phones. That was before it was publicly known. I still think there is something awry with their latest processors. Even late batch sd805 had heat issues. My note 5 had zero signs of heat and my note 4 you really have to push to get hot. The g4 & moto x got hot texting or web browsing! I don't get it. Can't be a confidence that both are 808 processors and heat demons
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I honestly don't think it is. I had 3 G4s and they were all hot and glitchy. I honestly think it is the sd808. Back when I called Samsung about exchanged a note 4 developer edition the guy told me that snapdragon 808/810 were heat prone and they would not be using them for upcoming phones. That was before it was publicly known. I still think there is something awry with their latest processors. Even late batch sd805 had heat issues. My note 5 had zero signs of heat and my note 4 you really have to push to get hot. The g4 & moto x got hot texting or web browsing! I don't get it. Can't be a confidence that both are 808 processors and heat demons
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I don't understand how it's so hard for them to make a chip not overheat. I mean this isn't the first, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation of chips. Perhaps custom kernels will allow us to throttle better?
Cool here except when turbo charging or navigation is on.
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Does the phone have a warning notification when it is getting too hot?
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Does the phone have a warning notification when it is getting too hot?
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Haven't seen one yet and mine gets hot several times a day when I'm multitasking or just playing a game.
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Computers get hot, CPU's get hot, PC's and laptops have fans to keep them cool...cell phones do not. I do not believe that any cell phone will ever stay "cool" when doing CPU/GPU intensive tasks. That's just the way it is.
turbo charger will heat it up that is obvious but yes when you do stuff that uses lots of cpu/ram it will heat up a little same was with my note4 .
Mine only overheats when I am doing some heavy usage...I don't think "Overheat" is the right word, maybe just "gets warm". But over the weekend, I acquired a Samsung Galaxy S6 (in a trade for a different phone). When setting it up, it was getting hotter than the MXP ever got. I checked it with Gsam battery and it was 133 degrees and took about 30 minutes to cool down. My MXP gets hot, but cools down pretty quick.
jaseman said:
Computers get hot, CPU's get hot, PC's and laptops have fans to keep them cool...cell phones do not. I do not believe that any cell phone will ever stay "cool" when doing CPU/GPU intensive tasks. That's just the way it is.
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The mine overheats just read my email, reach more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit, that is definitely not normal
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I don't understand how it's so hard for them to make a chip not overheat. I mean this isn't the first, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation of chips. Perhaps custom kernels will allow us to throttle better?
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I know right. It doesnt. the note 5 i had run so cool it wasnt even funny and my note 4 dev ed runs pretty cool unless i do something insane on it lol
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Haven't seen one yet and mine gets hot several times a day when I'm multitasking or just playing a game.
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yes yes mine got hot doing nothing
jaseman said:
Computers get hot, CPU's get hot, PC's and laptops have fans to keep them cool...cell phones do not. I do not believe that any cell phone will ever stay "cool" when doing CPU/GPU intensive tasks. That's just the way it is.
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I agree that phones need a little fan or something but i disagree with any phone will stay cool the note 4 and 5 are always 10+ degrees cooler then the x or my g4 was. im telling you its the 808 chipset
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Mine only overheats when I am doing some heavy usage...I don't think "Overheat" is the right word, maybe just "gets warm". But over the weekend, I acquired a Samsung Galaxy S6 (in a trade for a different phone). When setting it up, it was getting hotter than the MXP ever got. I checked it with Gsam battery and it was 133 degrees and took about 30 minutes to cool down. My MXP gets hot, but cools down pretty quick.
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Gets HOT and yes the s6 and s6 edge i had got hot too but the note 5 didnt and its same chip i think
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The mine overheats just read my email, reach more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit, that is definitely not normal
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yup mine was 100 after sending a few texts and web browsing i was like why is my hand on fire!!?!?
latech4832 said:
Hello everyone
Yesterday I received my Moto X pure Edition, after 3 hour of charge I transfer all of my files and stuff from my old Nexus 5. After a few minutes of use I noticed that the phone started to overheat excessively (110 farenheit) and the battery only lasted 3 hours, I did a complete reset of the phone but the same result overheat after 15 minutes of use.
I replaced/updated the play services software and same thing.
Someone has the same problem???
Please Advice...
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It's the Media Scanner service. Because you added all that media from the Nexus 5 it had to be indexed. Once done, it will settle down and be OK.
This is some information I found in another thread:
"For each file and directory it finds it creates an entry in the so-called Android Media Store. For special file types like images, videos and music files it also scans for meta data like EXIF information for images and mp3 tags for music files. Applications may query the Media Store to find specific files bases on the file type or meta data. Well known applications that do so are the Gallery and the Music Player. Other applications may also do so.
The media scanner runs as a background service and is not visible to the user. "
As the title says, my phone gets hot really easily with simple usage. Today I was just changing my ring tones and notifications sounds and it became warm (not that hot) where it shouldn't have, with such light usage. And then I played a game for about 10 minutes and the device got hot and was untouchable. The game and UI started to lag too.
This is my replacement phone, the first phone did the same. But I think this one is worse.
During normal usage it does get hot (very uncomfortable), but it won't lag.
My phone is always above 40-42C.
Is it due to my climate?
Or should I get another replacement.
Please help me on this, I can't really figure out if it's the phone or me getting defective devices.
edios123 said:
As the title says, my phone gets hot really easily with simple usage. Today I was just changing my ring tones and notifications sounds and it became warm (not that hot) where it shouldn't have, with such light usage. And then I played a game for about 10 minutes and the device got hot and was untouchable. The game and UI started to lag too.
This is my replacement phone, the first phone did the same. But I think this one is worse.
During normal usage it does get hot (very uncomfortable), but it won't lag.
My phone is always above 40-42C.
Is it due to my climate?
Or should I get another replacement.
Please help me on this, I can't really figure out if it's the phone or me getting defective devices.
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I had the same problem when it was summer where I am. The SD810 is terrible when it comes to heating up, and the lag you experienced is due to the chip throttling back from the heat. Is it hot weather where you are?
Heisenberg said:
I had the same problem when it was summer where I am. The SD810 is terrible when it comes to heating up, and the lag you experienced is due to the chip throttling back from the heat. Is it hot weather where you are?
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The weather is indeed hot nowadays. But the problem is, if the phone heats so much on simple usage, then what is the purpose of owning this smartphone..? :| I'm really disappointed considering I changed my previous device cos of overheating (Note 4).
What's confusing me is, some reviews/reports say this phone is cooler than the S6 /Edge. But my friend has one and it doesn't heat this much at all.
My dad's 6S Plus runs insanely cool (compared to my 6P).
Should I go for another repair/replacement? I've already wasted 1 month waiting for a replacement.
Everything else is amazing on this phone (except the DAC of course) .
Edit: the battery is also disappointing(like 4:30 to 5:00 average). I guess it's due to the phone heating up quickly.
edios123 said:
The weather is indeed hot nowadays. But the problem is, if the phone heats so much on simple usage, then what is the purpose of owning this smartphone..? :| I'm really disappointed considering I changed my previous device cos of overheating (Note 4).
What's confusing me is, some reviews/reports say this phone is cooler than the S6 /Edge. But my friend has one and it doesn't heat this much at all.
My dad's 6S Plus runs insanely cool (compared to my 6P).
Should I go for another repair/replacement? I've already wasted 1 month waiting for a replacement.
Everything else is amazing on this phone (except the DAC of course) .
Edit: the battery is also disappointing(like 4:30 to 5:00 average). I guess it's due to the phone heating up quickly.
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Didn't you research this phone and its chipset before buying? The SD810 is well known for this. I think most reports that say the phone runs cool were written just after release, which was just as the North American winter was taking hold. You could try getting a replacement but I'm fairly confident that this is a problem with the chip.
Heisenberg said:
Didn't you research this phone and its chipset before buying? The SD810 is well known for this. I think most reports that say the phone runs cool were written just after release, which was just as the North American winter was taking hold. You could try getting a replacement but I'm fairly confident that this is a problem with the chip.
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I chose this phone over the Note 5. I heard there's absolutely no heating issues with the Nexus 6P and the 810 is implemented well in this phone.
My MacBook Pro started to heat much more than it did a few months ago too. But I can't confirm it's because of the weather because it might be some new software I installed or anything.
But the thing that bugs me is, even Yureka, a budget phone, which is known as a heater, heats only like my Nexus 6P or maybe sometimes it's even better at handling heat.
My display is very very yellow too.
This phone is literally the hottest phone ever!
Two minutes of web browsing and the upper portion would have already gotten quite warm.
I think it's getting worse lately, maybe because of the aging of the thermal compound.
ALUOp said:
This phone is literally the hottest phone ever!
Two minutes of web browsing and the upper portion would have already gotten quite warm.
I think it's getting worse lately, maybe because of the aging of the thermal compound.
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Agree. I think the aging of the thermal compound is def going to make thermal throttling worse over time. Plus the thermal compound they used is absolute crap. It had a marshmallow like texture. For those able, I'd consider doing the thermal hard mod posted here. Even if instead of the thermal pad you just replace the crap thermal compound with good stuff. The phone is not nearly as difficult to disassemble and some make it out to be.
You've got a Nexus, go ahead and get your root. Custom kernels like EX do pretty well with excess heat management.
EX kicks in an optional hexacore mode just in case your phone gets mad on heat (generally while charging).
Custom kernels are great in that respect.
I've been running benchmarks on this phone.
I've noticed a couple of things.
Thermal throttling on this phone starts at a very low threshold and is very aggressive.
Supposedly the maximum frequency of the large cluster is 2.45 GHz
At room temperature my phone never reaches that performance.
Here is a copy of the thermal-engine.conf, pulled from system/etc.
As soon as you start to benchmark the speed starts dropping:
At room temp I get Antutu ssores in the 130-150K range.
If the phone has been in a very cool room I get 160K numbers.
If I put it in a very cold environment for a few minutes I can get numbers in the 178K range.
Back to back runs plunge performance.
So it does not surprise me that the phone freezes at times.
Not happy that the phone throttles like this.
I have also found that if the phone gets to 44C then the throttling is so bad that a LG G4 or Samsung Galaxy S6 will outperform this phone.
So the thermal-engine.conf has this phone crippled.
This is speculative, but I wonder if overheating was the cause of the release delay. If so, perhaps this was the workaround they implemented to get the device out. That said, if throttling is the culprit then it could explain why my phone runs like an Evo3D much of the time. Generally before use, it's in my pocket, which is body temperature and the phone is always warm. Maybe even pocket-temp causes throttling?
Oh well, return initiated yesterday, awaiting response from CS - I just can't stand to take a chance a potentially crippled device. While the updated did increase the responsiveness of the screen a slight bit, I didn't see an overwhelming change that put this in the category of other devices running similar hardware. Back to the OP3...
cadbomb said:
This is speculative, but I wonder if overheating was the cause of the release delay. If so, perhaps this was the workaround they implemented to get the device out. That said, if throttling is the culprit then it could explain why my phone runs like an Evo3D much of the time. Generally before use, it's in my pocket, which is body temperature and the phone is always warm. Maybe even pocket-temp causes throttling?
Oh well, return initiated yesterday, awaiting response from CS - I just can't stand to take a chance a potentially crippled device. While the updated did increase the responsiveness of the screen a slight bit, I didn't see an overwhelming change that put this in the category of other devices running similar hardware. Back to the OP3...
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So the device won't get really hot.
It won't even get that warm unless it's charging.
If you put it on a charger, it will be throttled after about a minute.
If I run Antutu and start out with the device sitting on a table in a cool room (too many conditions), I can get a score of about 167K.
If I sit it on a baggy of ice, I can get a score of about 177K but never unless the device is artificially chilled.
But if you run Antutu back to back or GeekBench and look at the temp, as soon as it hits 43C, you hit a wall.
The device won't heat up more than that but it's now running only slightly faster than a 6P and slower than a Pixel XL or Moto Z.
I don't want to pay $850 (yes that much if you include the extended warranty and tax) for a marginal device.
If I had root, I would have played with the thermal-engine.conf. It can't be right.
You go from full performance to half in a matter of 4 degrees C.
I have looked at other files for other devices and I've never seen anything that aggressive.
Even the 6P was not that bad.
I have an iPhone 6s (work) and no matter ho many times I run the test I always get about the same numbers.
I have my phone charging and I ran the test and I just got 115K. So on a charger the performance is 65% of max.
This is why I'm sending it back. Might as well be a LG G6.
tech_head said:
So the device won't get really hot.
It won't even get that warm unless it's charging.
If you put it on a charger, it will be throttled after about a minute.
If I run Antutu and start out with the device sitting on a table in a cool room (too many conditions), I can get a score of about 167K.
If I sit it on a baggy of ice, I can get a score of about 177K but never unless the device is artificially chilled.
But if you run Antutu back to back or GeekBench and look at the temp, as soon as it hits 43C, you hit a wall.
The device won't heat up more than that but it's now running only slightly faster than a 6P and slower than a Pixel XL or Moto Z.
I don't want to pay $850 (yes that much if you include the extended warranty and tax) for a marginal device.
If I had root, I would have played with the thermal-engine.conf. It can't be right.
You go from full performance to half in a matter of 4 degrees C.
I have looked at other files for other devices and I've never seen anything that aggressive.
Even the 6P was not that bad.
I have an iPhone 6s (work) and no matter ho many times I run the test I always get about the same numbers.
I have my phone charging and I ran the test and I just got 115K. So on a charger the performance is 65% of max.
This is why I'm sending it back. Might as well be a LG G6.
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Good to know, and thanks for the thorough diagnostic! Even with rooting and changing the throttle configs, I fear a voided warranty and bricked phone if it's a design flaw and not a software bug. It's just not worth it for me to wait and see when there are other new and shiny things just around the corner. *squirrel*
cadbomb said:
Good to know, and thanks for the thorough diagnostic! Even with rooting and changing the throttle configs, I fear a voided warranty and bricked phone if it's a design flaw and not a software bug. It's just not worth it for me to wait and see when there are other new and shiny things just around the corner. *squirrel*
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I'm pretty sure it's a mistake in the thermal-engine.conf.
I actually contacted them and submitted my information.
You don't throttle from 39-40C down to 50%
I've worked designing chips for better than 25 years.
If the 835 is more efficient than the 810, then there is no need for anything that aggressive.
Anyway, I asked for a RMA and they are sending a the boxes/envelopes.
No cases is a big deal for me also.
Since I'm already at $900 for the phone and camera (taxes and insurance). I might as well give the X a look.
Yeah, it costs more but if I'm already at $900 another couple of hundred isn't going to matter.
Unfortunately, I have to go back to my LG G3 since my 6P was sold and shipped last week.