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hi all
i am having a bit of a trouble figuring out the live tiles and the background tasks function in mango. i have an at&t branded samsung focus running mango here in india.
i would really appreciate if someone could tell me as to how the live tiles function in mango is supposed to function? for eg. the 'now' app from samsung has a tile and an option which i believe would make it display current weather or news or something which i choose on the tile itself without actually going into the app. is it true?i only ask this because right now it shows nothing on the live tile which means that the tile is actually not 'live' afterall.
also, i just downloaded IM+ which is a great messenger app and i primarily use to chat on gtalk. in the settings menu i have flipped on the button which says 'run under lockscreen'. is this any different from any application running in background because as soon as i close the app, i go offline on gtalk which really defeats the whole instant messaging scenario. the same thing goes for whatsapp.i ask this only because what is the point of having an IM app when you always appear offline to your friends until you start the app???!!
I have the similar problem. The Samsung"now" live tile won't update.
Other live tiles work fine.
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Well rumour has it that - Microsoft are thinking seriously about the possibility of adding a notification system/bar/centre/hub in upcoming major update to Apollo !
Well the current implementations on other platforms like android or ios (which are essentially the same)- wouldn't blend with 'modern ui' .
My guess is they'll include maybe silent pop ups or even expand lock screen notification system - a universally accessible notification centre is also not out of the equation .
Don't know if this has been discussed earlier - but anyway share your ideas and opinions on what you guys think of this
I hate the idea of a notification center. iOS got it all wrong and it's useless- android's less so but still prone to the same issues.
Live tiles are meant to get rid of the need for a notification center- thus the only logical solution for WP is a live tile that shows missed notifications FOR MANUALLY SELECTED APPS.
Otherwise all live tiles will become redundant. WPHacker's version of a notification center is fine (live tile, shows a list which lets you "replay" notifications), so long as he figures out how to exclude apps, because I swear- WP had the first system to eliminate data redundancy and if they **** that up I will refuse to update for as long as I can.
Agreed completely there - a tile based solution will be more feasible and look native and its the only way i can think of implementing a notification centre without disturbing the simplicity of ui work flow.But the thing that worries me is whether what MS is planning is going be as simple a solution as this , well there is always a probability of them screwing it up talking too much of outside opinions into consideration .
I agree. If MS listens to and just delivers a traditional notification center as demanded by all the android users coming to WP, then they're going to royally screw the platform.
They should patch the gaping hole in the current system, not add another redundant one.
Edit- I just read one of the ideas on windowsphone uservoice: turning the app list into a hub (a la photo hub), which provides an easy way to integrate a notification center (as part of the hub and as a pinnable tile.
Well, right now users can create their own notification center. Simply put all the tiles giving you notifications as small tiles in the first row of the start screen. It's how I fixed the issue when I moved over from Android.
Live tiles are useless for a notification centre because they don't necessarily capture all notifications, like toast notifications.
We need a proper notification centre implementation. One where we can see notifications without unlocking the screen (customisable of course).
IOS has the best implementation of a notification centre so far. Fantastic customisation. I just hope wp8 gets it sooner rather than later. It wil never be competitive otherwise.
Long press search key to open Notification HUB and it'll also have search notification feature, just to justify the use of long press search key action.
Dr.Paul said:
Live tiles are useless for a notification centre because they don't necessarily capture all notifications, like toast notifications.
We need a proper notification centre implementation. One where we can see notifications without unlocking the screen (customisable of course).
IOS has the best implementation of a notification centre so far. Fantastic customisation. I just hope wp8 gets it sooner rather than later. It wil never be competitive otherwise.
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But how would an ios style implementation blend with modern ui it'd look ugly
Dr.Paul said:
Live tiles are useless for a notification centre because they don't necessarily capture all notifications, like toast notifications.
We need a proper notification centre implementation. One where we can see notifications without unlocking the screen (customisable of course).
IOS has the best implementation of a notification centre so far. Fantastic customisation. I just hope wp8 gets it sooner rather than later. It wil never be competitive otherwise.
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The toast notifications are not shown forever because they are not important. They are usually used in games, to notify achievements, or to bring something to your attention.
Live tiles, and now I am referring to properly programmed live tiles, do exactly what a notification center does, they warn you about the existence of something you are yet to review. You have a missing call? fine...look at the phone tile. You have a new message? fine...look at the message tile. Oh look, someone posted some meaningless thing on your facebook...np, just check the "Me" tile.
IMO, people have to get used to interacting with the live tiles first....
Do not bring in poorly constructed apps. There are a lot of developers who do not take advantage of the live tile.
link68759 said:
I hate the idea of a notification center. iOS got it all wrong and it's useless- android's less so but still prone to the same issues.
Live tiles are meant to get rid of the need for a notification center- thus the only logical solution for WP is a live tile that shows missed notifications FOR MANUALLY SELECTED APPS.
Otherwise all live tiles will become redundant. WPHacker's version of a notification center is fine (live tile, shows a list which lets you "replay" notifications), so long as he figures out how to exclude apps, because I swear- WP had the first system to eliminate data redundancy and if they **** that up I will refuse to update for as long as I can.
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I had thought livetiles were a pre-notification adoption by microsoft. Wp7 had tiles well under developement when android was released. Then androids notifications were revised a good deal, and microsofts implementation was rethought as a result, which is why this thread is happening. The live tiles are fine for what they can display, but need a supplement for folks that prefer all their info in one place. There is nothing wrong or bad about allowing folks to turn on a feature to show more information in a dedicated (hidden) huge tile or drawer like android/ios have done.
I think wpx could benefit from not neccisarily forcing people to a notification area, but allowing them to choose a more sensible full area as opposed to only a snippet of info in each tile. It would be cool to choose tile, toast, or full one note area.
I would like a notification center, because I'm not pinning all the possible apps that have push notifications on my home screen.
For example, I have WhatsApp and Skype, but they're not pinned because I don't frequently use them.
However, when someone messages me and I'm too late, I'll never know. This just happened yesterday, I got a message on WhatsApp so I tapped the push notification but appareantly I missed a message back from december 9th, because I didn't see the push notification there was no way for me to tell I had a message. Since I'm not a regular user of the app I won't randomly open it just to check for new messages, I just don't think of doing that.
If there'd be a notification center, I could easily pin that and it could show an overall number of notifications I haven't responded to (either tapped or swiped away).
It would work just like an app, once you tap the tile it opens the notification center app and shows the ones I didn't respond to. You could also show the number on your lock screen.
That way you're still free to choose wether you want to use it or not. Don't like the notification center? Fine, don't pin it or use it, nobody's forcing you to do so, but it's convenient for the people who do want one.
I like the idea of a swipe to the left on the homescreen to reveal a notification center. My problem with the live tiles, is that they only show the latest email, or message, etc. no matter how big you make the tile, it should scale or rotate, something.. I would like to be able to see a quick list. And the lockscreen just gives you numbers, I understand the security of not showing previews, but I would like the choice.
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I have at least one hope: Microsoft so far has not opted to simply adopt something "as is" from another system since they launched WP. So I actually believe that when a notification center arrives it well blend in well with the system.
Aside from that: I don't really miss a notification center. Actually the notification bar drives me nuts on my SGS2. It's always full of stuff I just don't want to know or don't care about. 10 Apps updated, every single one of them creates an entry that stays there *yuk*
So yes, I believe that if there is a notification center I have to be able to filter which notifications end up in there. But of course Microsoft mandated that the user must be able to turn notifications off in every App so at least I'll have that possibility.
What I really would like to see is the possibility to add an arbitrary number of Apps to my Lock Screen. If I have 3 Mail-Adresses + Phone Calls and Short Messages there simply is no room for an Icon for Skype or WhatsApp or Whatever. And most of the time not all of them show notifications. It might be beneficial to have certain notifications at fixed positions but overall I would love to have more space for them.
Aside from that I don't see myself using a notification center too often. Just keep me from the Android hell of notification spam.
I don't understand why people keep complaining about Windows Phone not having a notification center. I really think most of them think they need one just because iOS and Android do... I never actually missed notification center on WP.
But still... if they're going to introduce some kind of NC, how about swiping to the right ? To the left we get a list of apps, so the other side is free and could present us with a list of notifications. I'm sure im not the first to think about this solution.
Whatever you do Microsoft, just don't treat us to another lame swipe-down-pull notifications list...
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I don't understand why people keep complaining about Windows Phone not having a notification center. I really think most of them think they need one just because iOS and Android do... I never actually missed notification center on WP.
But still... if they're going to introduce some kind of NC, how about swiping to the right ? To the left we get a list of apps, so the other side is free and could present us with a list of notifications. I'm sure im not the first to think about this solution.
Whatever you do Microsoft, just don't treat us to another lame swipe-down-pull notifications list...
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people explained why they want one.
i think a notification center is a necessary evil in a smartphone.
the current (and future) purpose of this device is comunication and exchange.
over time we develeped and are still developing varous forms thereof.
it is not a single system and will never be.
our phones currently try to merge it for us and present it in the most comfortable form.
so the flood of notifications will just grow.
the winner will be the one wich can present them best to us and therefore any form of a (global) notification center is needed imho.
I´m a WP user for years. And i really miss a notifications centre like on Android.
I´m really based on the "latest" news, so i use many news apps with the "pop-up feature".
I dont need a smae centre like on android, but i would have a place where i can see my latest informations about some news, or messages.
There is an app called unification that is trying to do that. If you want notification so badly maybe you support it? http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/unification/6e861d4d-a072-46ee-a878-14917ce2c7b7
Is it possibile to clear the new persistent notification of running app in the notification bar?
I mean, there are apps that are supposed to be running as a background service, can I put trusted app in a white list so I don't see them in the notification bar anymore?
I have tried to uncheck the option in the setting page (as shown in the screenshot attached), but the notification will appear again.
This is so annoying, any workaround?
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Is it possibile to clear the new persistent notification of running app in the notification bar?
I mean, there are apps that are supposed to be running as a background service, can I put trusted app in a white list so I don't see them in the notification bar anymore?
I have tried to uncheck the option in the setting page (as shown in the screenshot attached), but the notification will appear again.
This is so annoying, any workaround?
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I had the same problem with ADW launcher EX, I got it off by entering the settings menu of the app, not the settings of the phone. Look for it.
guys, read this.. http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...tifications-after-you-upgrade-to-android-4-3/
Have Persistent Notifications After You Upgrade To Android 4.3
Posted by Bertel King, Jr. in News
Anyone who has made the jump to Android 4.3, which admittedly isn't that many people right now, may have noticed that some applications now plant persistent notifications in the status bar. We offered this as a disclaimer in our post about manually updating a Nexus 4 to Android 4.3. Turns out, this is completely intentional. Android now forces persistent notifications on unkillable apps that run silently in the background. This is an attempt to call attention to behavior that isn't quite okay.
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Many developers have made their applications impossible to kill and don't alert users to the fact that they're still running. They do this by creating a malformed notification object that doesn't appear in the status bar but still tricks the activity manager into allowing the service to enter the foreground. This is great for snooping, but that doesn't mean that only malicious apps adopt this behavior. As Artem's screenshots show below, the Network Monitor Mini Pro was one offender, but the developer has since updated the app to fix the problem.
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While Android developers originally wanted to force quit apps that submit malformed notifications, there are simply too many out there for this to be a usable approach. Instead, Android will alert users to the offending apps, and developers will probably be inclined to change their software once users stop using their products and/or bring public shaming down on their heads. Hopefully the bulk of them will have been fixed by the time most phones make the jump to the latest version of Jelly Bean.
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Weird approach from Google. So all the fuss is from forcing app devs to remove fake invisible nottifications , they can sill run in foreground or background!?!?! And all the masochists loving this. •_•
I've read about new Google policy, but what I'd like is the possibility to put some applications in a trusted-app list that gives us to choice if clear them from the notification bar.
This new feature by Google is helpful for all the malicious-purpose applications that are running in background without our assent, but once you notified me let me also choose how to manage them.
Maybe this could be an idea for a new app development by someone in this forum.
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I've read about new Google policy, but what I'd like is the possibility to put some applications in a trusted-app list that gives us to choice if clear them from the notification bar.
This new feature by Google is helpful for all the malicious-purpose applications that are running in background without our assent, but once you notified me let me also choose how to manage them.
Maybe this could be an idea for a new app development by someone in this forum.
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The ability to whitelist is an excellent idea, but it would require opening new security restrictions. Considering Google's new Apple like approach, it would be surprising this would be allowed.
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Hi there,
As in title, clock and alarms problem.
When screen is off, and alarm is set, I hear only a quick start of it, and then silience (like couple miliseconds of noise and then
nothing). It happens with every app. It is happnn' almost on every rom on my retarded phone. If screen is on while alarm starts, I can hear it, but when screen is off it is bad as you know. If alarm on off screen start, and I turn screen on, it looks like it's still going but without noise (I can stop the noiseless alarm...).
Now the second part, I can install only couple Clock apps from market (on most I get Error505). For example the google Clock app can not be inatalled, but KKClock can be, but the "no sound" problem occure.
I tried to wipe app data of KKClock and google play.
One more thing, after i push google Clock app into system apps through Root Browser, it appears, but when i try to open it is forcing close...
Help me I'm getting late at the morning
Repost : Please help, I really don't know what to do... I have no task killers and settings about apps in background are default.
Best option is to install a fresh rom wipping the data catch a such....when done without installing anything test the alarm app first! If problem insists it could be related to your kernel or you have a hardware problem.
The force closing of google clock did you give the correct permissions to the system app?
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Mine doesn't. I have to manually update it even though I have the weather in home screen. This is stupid. It's there a way to update like hourly?
kennyk09 said:
Mine doesn't. I have to manually update it even though I have the washer in home screen. This is stupid. It's there a way to update like hourly?
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How?
How?
Think mine does as well.
There are times I'm not paying attention to the weather and the temperature # will change on the widget without me opening the app and manually refreshing.
Have seen it happen on at least 2 occasions that I can recall. Don't really use the weather app that much in the first place
My weather widget doesn't update. I've heard it might be a bizarre issue where it doesn't update in the EU region. Possibly a GDPR confirmation missed at one point. I didn't want to try this method for my reasons, but you could try setting your phone region to India, for instance, creating the widget and letting it detect your location. If that succeeds, you can revert to your region and the thing should then work, in theory. Let me know if you succeed.
I not working ,you can set up automatic update at night. Between 23 and 7!! Who need update when sleep.
I use Google widget At a glance and its working without any problem. Everyone have it in widget - Google
Only option I have is overnight crap. The weather is so unstable in this part of the world. I need to be able to update at least hourly, automatically of course.
Even if it does update during the night, at 6pm your widget will still be showing weather from 7am
I tried "simple weather & clock" by difer, which almost made it. I realized if you use 3rd party weather app, the time on notification bar stays on, in home screen. Which is annoying because I only want 1 big time shown on weather app that also allow me to access timer and alarm. Who needs 2 of same time shown on home screen? I rather have defect stock weather app, looks neater at least..
I also have the clock always in the status bar. Except for when a notification arrives, or right after unlocking it. It's connected to the default launcher and I'm using the Poco Launcher. I need my app drawer
If you don't want the clock in the status bar, you could use the MIUI clock only widget, and then just a separate widget for the forecast.