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I will be switching carriers shortly from T-mobile to Verizon and need some input from experienced users. I currently have a Cliq XT it is my is my first and only Android phone and even though it is a nice phone it is severely limited. I want to get something more powerful and up to date. I have decided to either buy a Samsung Fascinate or a Droid X. Can you guys give me some pros and cons from your points of view. I have seen multiple comparisons online but I wanted the opinion of XDA forum members. Thanks! (pardon if this is in the wrong section or has already been asked, its my first post)
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I will be switching carriers shortly from T-mobile to Verizon and need some input from experienced users. I currently have a Cliq XT it is my is my first and only Android phone and even though it is a nice phone it is severely limited. I want to get something more powerful and up to date. I have decided to either buy a Samsung Fascinate or a Droid X. Can you guys give me some pros and cons from your points of view. I have seen multiple comparisons online but I wanted the opinion of XDA forum members. Thanks! (pardon if this is in the wrong section or has already been asked, its my first post)
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I just left T-mo, and I miss my Nexus terribly.
I went with the Fascinate hands down. Better processor, better GPU, better display, easier root, better camera.
I was on the horns of the same dilemma, Droid X or Fascinate.
Background: I figured out that, except for a brief flirtation with a BlackBerry Storm, the last six phones I've had were all made by Motorola. The term "Motorola Fanboy" sounds really, really strange, but I guess that's what I was... I pre-ordered the Droid 1, and got it on release day, had it rooted the day the root process broke. There's more, but you see where this is going.
When the Droid X was announced, I asked "Where do I put my money?" Then I heard a frightening term: "E-fuse". Of course, that turned out to be something of an exaggeration, but the idea was troubling. This was followed by "Locked Bootloader".
With all this, I still wanted one, but I wanted to actually hold one before I plunked down my cash. I'm still waiting. My local VZW store, Best Buy, Costco, you name it, gets a couple in once or twice a month, and they're gone by lunchtime. I just looked at the VZW site, and right now they're saying the estimated ship date if you order today is the 24th.
So between being locked up and unavailable (okay, I'm being impatient here), I decided to go a different direction.
I pre-ordered my Fascinate, got it on release day, and had it rooted within 90 minutes (20 of which were confirming that the root was persistent). Less than two weeks later, we're on the verge of a custom recovery
This thing is SUPER light, and WAFER thin! It doesn't have that bulge on the back like the DX does. I also agree with the description that the SF is "Just the right size". My neighbor has an EVO, and I think phones of that size are actually a little too bulky.
Don't listen to much about the things people are complaining about with the Fascinate. Every new handset gets some of that, and it all gets worked out in the first few weeks.
The ideal thing, of course, would be to hold them both, one after the other, and see which one gives you the bigger smile. I tried to do that, but wasn't able to. It's hard to imagine the DX would make me happier than the Fascinate though...
And, of course, the universal disclaimer, YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY!
You're not going to go wrong either way, btw...
-Z
watch this: http://vodpod.com/watch/4468715-episode-18-samsung-fascinate-galaxy-s-vs-motorola-droid-x
yes, its 14 or 15 min but worth the watch if your considering the fascinate or the X.
Fascinate. End of discussion.
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Thanks guys
Thanx for all of your responses! From what I have seen and what you guys are saying the Fascinate sounds like the better device. I just have a few doubts... Mainly the GPS issues, Bing, and the fact that I don't trust Samsung when it comes to updates.
This thread has also helped push me towards the fascinate... I always thought the droid x was too big anyway.
But now I'm mostly concerned about the GPS just like the OP... The update thing is unsettling too... I would hope they plan on putting gingerbread on these phones :O
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Dude get the Fascinate. I went from a Nexus, to the Evo and just came from a D2. I'm completely impressed. The battery has barely moved 1.5 hrs into my 1st day of use. The Evo gave me HELL had every ROM and could never get the out of box comfort and ease I've had so far.
Only things are the bottom buttons, I have 1 bar less of service in my house..haven't tested gps yet but these are all things I can live with and we're only on 2.1. Get it.
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from what i have read it seems the GPS issue is hit or miss. thats not going to stop me from getting one. if the GPS doesnt work i will just keep exchanging them till i get one that does. of course it could just be a software issue but i think its to early to tell just yet.
Motorola + eFuse is the only issue you need to think about
Currently it hasn't been cracked, so if you want to install custom kernels, bootloaders, etc, I suggest you run far away from anything with the name Motorola
Not to mention the Hummingbird cpu/gpu blows TI's OMAP out of the water, as well as the SAMOLED screen
The only plus you get out of the X is .3" larger screen and HDMI out, which I'm sure we will get in a few months
"& yes I'm a chick"
LMAO, I love it!
My only qualm with the Fascinate is the bloat-ware. It's chocked full of it. I think it's to differentiate it from their Droid line.
You can easily circumvent it by starting with a launcher like ADW or LauncherPro and starting there.
Once you root, there's many more options. I would recommend staying away from the lagfix. You'll read more about it, but stay away from that one. It makes your phone act a little jerky which my phone actually has yet to recover from.
Other than that, it's awesome. You'll prefer it over the Droid X when the custom roms start coming out for it!
And it's super light, slim, and pretty sleek for a 4" screen phone.
I just picked up a Droid Pro today. Going through various forums, it does not look like there is much interest in the phone. Is it selling well or is it something no one is buying?
Guess it just hasn't picked up the wave. People are very focused on High-end touchscreen phones which have 'uber cool' features but fail to realise this phone packs a similar hardware but a inferior screen res - which is a worthwhile compromise.
Jibreil said:
Guess it just hasn't picked up the wave. People are very focused on High-end touchscreen phones which have 'uber cool' features but fail to realise this phone packs a similar hardware but a inferior screen res - which is a worthwhile compromise.
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I agree. I went with it because it was a world phone and had a great keyboard. I hate motoblur though
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I agree. I went with it because it was a world phone and had a great keyboard. I hate motoblur though
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I hate motoblur as well. I installed LauncherPro Plus and it's just like my Incredible was.
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Agreed that it likely just doesn't get very much attention because it doesn't have a 4"+ screen. I'm sure people must be buying it though, since AFAIK it's the only Droid with a portrait keyboard. It's actually the only Droid that my company lets us use, since it's the only one with adequate security features. I've got to believe that a lot of companies have similar standards.
There's a Dell phone with a portrait slider keyboard, but the dp is the only fixed portrait qwerty. I love it - the screen resolution is just fine for me until I compare side by side with wifes inc. Keyboard is a great tradeoff in my opinion.
The problem is that the DPro is mainly directed towards the professional user. And most professionals are still going to keep their Blackberries because that's what they're familiar with and it does a good job. We can all get on here and say how much we personally love our phones but the truth of the matter is Blackberry has the corporate world pretty much locked up, and that's a good thing for them because otherwise they would not be a profitable company.
Your average Android shopper is going to get wowed by bigger screens, or prettier packages. The DPro doesn't stand a chance sitting next to the Fascinate or Droid X or even Droid 2. Now for a consumer Blackberry convert, the DPro has a lot to offer. Great new OS with familiar Form-Factor. That however isn't going to sell enough units to make this the most popular Droid out there, but I'm sure its still a profitable item.
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Now if they can only fix the stuttering / skipping / choppy music playback issue
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The problem is that the DPro is mainly directed towards the professional user. And most professionals are still going to keep their Blackberries because that's what they're familiar with and it does a good job. We can all get on here and say how much we personally love our phones but the truth of the matter is Blackberry has the corporate world pretty much locked up, and that's a good thing for them because otherwise they would not be a profitable company.
Your average Android shopper is going to get wowed by bigger screens, or prettier packages. The DPro doesn't stand a chance sitting next to the Fascinate or Droid X or even Droid 2. Now for a consumer Blackberry convert, the DPro has a lot to offer. Great new OS with familiar Form-Factor. That however isn't going to sell enough units to make this the most popular Droid out there, but I'm sure its still a profitable item.
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Could you elaborate on why the Droid Pro does not stand a chance sitting next to the other phones. Do you mean through sales or performance? Just curious.
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Keyboard is a great tradeoff in my opinion.
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It's definitely worth it to me as well. The only thing I miss having is arrow keys. I will say without hesitation that it is a royal pain in the ass to select and edit text without arrow keys. Of course adding a 4-way rocker or something like that would have meant more compromise on screen real estate. I guess they found the best of both worlds.
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The problem is that the DPro is mainly directed towards the professional user. And most professionals are still going to keep their Blackberries because that's what they're familiar with and it does a good job. We can all get on here and say how much we personally love our phones but the truth of the matter is Blackberry has the corporate world pretty much locked up, and that's a good thing for them because otherwise they would not be a profitable company.
Your average Android shopper is going to get wowed by bigger screens, or prettier packages. The DPro doesn't stand a chance sitting next to the Fascinate or Droid X or even Droid 2. Now for a consumer Blackberry convert, the DPro has a lot to offer. Great new OS with familiar Form-Factor. That however isn't going to sell enough units to make this the most popular Droid out there, but I'm sure its still a profitable item.
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Perhaps this will be enough to lure the wary business user into the world of consumer smartphones.
I hope some of the Blackberry users can make the jump to Android. It is a great phone no doubt but I have been through a lot of forums and just can not seem to find much interest on this phone. It is a top, high end device but because of it's specific market, I'm wondering how much users will be interested.
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It's definitely worth it to me as well. The only thing I miss having is arrow keys. I will say without hesitation that it is a royal pain in the ass to select and edit text without arrow keys.
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If you long-press in text, you get a great little popup window that allows you to put the cursor wherever you want, nice and easy.
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If you long-press in text, you get a great little popup window that allows you to put the cursor wherever you want, nice and easy.
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Yeah, thanks. I find it to be a bit cumbersome, unfortunately. It's tough to be very precise because even though it's magnified, you're still trying to move to a very specific tiny spot on the screen.
At best buy the droid pro just started picking up since the price drop... but then today urgent notice came thru to stop selling all droid pros and droid 2 global until further notice so who knows whats gonna happen
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At best buy the droid pro just started picking up since the price drop... but then today urgent notice came thru to stop selling all droid pros and droid 2 global until further notice so who knows whats gonna happen
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I just seen this on phonedog and called BestBuyto confirm. I am taking mine back. I have been through 3 in 5 days. I am sure it is a great phone. It has been my favorite android phone. I just have not had much luck with them. I loved this phone when I got it but it has been constant problems. I do not want to buy a phone that they have to halt sales of. Again, it's a great phone. I am just too weary of trying a 4th.
They are halting sales because Best Buy priced them cheaper than they were supposed to. Verizon was selling them at $179 and BB selling them at $50. Huge difference and from what I've read they violated some kind of contract on the DPro and D2.
I could be wrong, but early reports are pointing to price not problems causing the sales halt.
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That makes sense. But Best Buy, Amazon, Targets online mobile store, and Wirefly were all selling it for 50 dollars so I don't know why Best Buy would be the only retailer that had to stop. Those stores always sell phones cheaper than the corporate stores. I have not seen anything official on why they stopped but if it was price, wouldn't they have to do that for all of the phones?
Just seen this. Saying that it wasn't a defect but price of the two phones. Droid Pro and Droid 2 Global.
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/12/16/droid-2-global-and-droid-pro-get-axed-at-best-buy/
I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.1 waiting till 2013 for Gingerbread forever sucks!
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I'm thinking about returning my Fascinate in light of the Verizon iPhone. Would it be worth it? Being stuck on 2.2 forever sucks!
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I wouldn't get this iteration of the iPhone. You'll be stuck on it for the next two years, missing out completely on the next gen device that will come out in the summer.
there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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Yeah, I owned the Droid inc and returned it for the Fascinate, that was a good decision I think. The X is too big and has a tumor, and the Droid 2 is just a faster version of the OG Droid.
Very Good points. Thanks.
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there isn't a phone that you can walk into the VZW store and buy right now that is better than the Fascinate. You can argue that the Droid inc, Droid X and droid 2 are all superior in some way, but in terms of hardware, speed, and form-factor there isn't a better all around device today. In a month or two, that could very well change, but if you take it back today, what are you going to get?
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I kind of agree with you on the VZW part. The Fascinate IMO is the best Android handset on Verizon, for the the reasons that you also listed above. However, having been using an iPhone 3GS until recently, there are also some benefits to switching over to iOS. Personally, I find a lot more that I like about the Android platform compared to iOS. I also have a problem with having to use a device where a CEO is determining what I want from a phone, but it does have its upsides.
However as a Fascinate owner, there seems to be this feeling of being left behind and inadequate. Samsung is more focused on releasing new devices with Froyo already installed, than actually releasing the damn update on our current phones. What's the point in buying the Fascinate today if in not even half of a year there will be a better version of it running wild? At least with the iPhone you know that you will get timely updates and a new version won't hit stores until at least a year later.
Now, one could argue that rooting your SCH-I500 and flashing a custom ROM can make you feel less concerned with having to have the 2.2 update on the phone, but even the mod development on this phone feels somewhat weak (No offense to the Fascinate devs, I know you guys are awesome and doing all you can to save this phone). I'm just calling it how I see it. I've used, rooted, and modded an Epic 4G and that device has a way more active community with more variety in mod selections.
Personally, if I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the iPhone 4 when it releases I would jump on that. However, If I was told that I could exchange my Fascinate for the Droid Bionic when that launches, I would be much more excited.
As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).
I would return it and just get a cheap feature phone off craig's list and use that sans contract until the Motorola Bionic comes out, and then sign your contract with the phone discount. Wish I still had this option. May try to sell my Fascinate on craig's list and see if I can get 50% of the cost of a Bionic to just buy it out right. Im tired of Samsung and their bull ****. I can deal with updates no coming out. But when you code your phone so poorly that even the dev community can't work with it to fix your laziness and inability to release updates, well that is just too much for me.
Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.
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As noted, the Fascinate even with 2.1 is still a fantastic phone. If you are smart, you'll keep what you have (or trade/ebay) to keep your upgrade for later this year when all the LTE dual core Androids come out that will blow away anything out currently and even the next iPhone coming in June/July (as it won't have LTE).
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Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!
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Yeah i can't wait to see the battery life on a dual core :/
Z an B son!
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Considering all the current smart phones have about 1500mah batteries and the specs released for the upcoming dual core have 2000mah batteries along with better/more efficient OSs etc, I'm thinking the battery life will be about the same.
Battery life may even be better on the targa2 based phones as they probably will have a lot more time "at rest" since they are capable of doing a lot more work per clock cycle.
Personally i am holding out till a dual core, lte phone comes along in the form factor i want.
Wait for dual core. Iphone 4 is outdated by the time March hits.
Rockin' DJ05, Minimal Icognito, Clocked at 1.3Ghz
spotmark said:
Yes, most definitely. Return it, and get a Razr.
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Razor FTW! I had one of those back in 07', I thought it was bad a$$.
Yeah, being on the latest version of android would be nice. But, honestly, I don't know that having a newer version of android would impact how I use my phone. Flash support will be nice but I rarely find my self on websites that require flash while browsing on my phone. certain apps require 2.2, but I don't use those. The speed bump might be the biggest difference (for me, at least).
I'm sure we'll get updates either from the devs or from samsung that will bring us to the newer versions of android. But, Before you got making a drastic change in phone hardware just ask yourself if that is really going to change your phone activities or how you use it. For me, it really won't.
my 2 cents.
I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.
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I'm in the same boat. I just got my Fascinate 3 weeks ago (leaving a little over 1 more week to return it under the 30 day guarantee), and I love it; it's the first smart phone I've owned. However, I can't help but feel the iPhone might be a better choice.
For me, the selling points for Android were Google Voice integration and free wifi hotspot capability. After researching these, I believe they are both now possible on the iPhone. I didn't even consider an iPhone before because I didn't want to deal with AT&T's network, but on Verizon, it is pretty tempting.
I also hate Steve Jobs and the general iPhone mindset--that everything is perfect as-is without allowing for any changes. With jailbreaking, however, I feel like most things on the Android become possible. I'm under the impression that the iPhone can do essentially everything that Android can, with a better/larger selection of apps and games. Maybe I'm wrong...it'd be great if someone who has previously owned an iPhone could point out its flaws to change my mind.
In the end, I'm sure I'd be happy with either device, regardless of my decision. But with 2 years to go, I want the best experience possible. The Fascinate has been great, but Samsung's apathy toward updates is a big turn-off. If it weren't for jt/birdman/etc. and their work on Gingerbread, I might have switched already.
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Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.
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Personally, I'd stick with what you got so you don't get trapped into iOS apps and iTunes (which I loathe). GB will be out soonish from this community and Samsung will eventually get 2.2 out if you want to stay unrooted.
The phone is a great phone and the only feature you'll really be lacking is the front camera/video calls. If that is really important to you, then maybe get the HTC Thunderbolt as it comes out soon.
Also, don't worry about your return period as you can easily sell the phone for upwards of $400 on Ebay/Craigslist and simply buy someones phone you want out right down the road when they launch. Such as in 6mos or so when all the far better dual core LTE devices launch.
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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.
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I don't care at all about a front camera; until it is much more common and the people that I talk to have one, it is on the bottom of my priority list. What do you hate about iOS apps? I have an iPod, and I personally think iTunes is a decent interface for music syncs. It certainly beats what I use to transfer media to my Fascinate right now, which is manual file copying. Maybe I'll give MediaMonkey a try soon.
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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
Android allows you to use whatever software you want and you simply copy paste the media over to your phone. May not be automatic (yet I'm sure Google is working on this) but, that is not a concern to me and I am good with copy/paste.
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iOS apps are fine, except I do believe there are far more free versions on the Android market.
I loathe iTunes as its a resource hog. I refuse to allow it on my machines.
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I hate itunes and it's probably the #1 reason that I don't use an iphone. There is nothing specifically wrong with the iphone 4, but honestly who wants to sign a 2 year contract on something that is already about a year old when a new version will be out soon?
I bought my Droid inc back in April when it launched. VZW was kind enough to replace it with a SF after I had some issues with my 3rd DINC. I've got an upgrade i'm saving for when something really compelling comes out and i can tell you, the iphone 4 isn't compelling.
I have 2 different people I know that own iPhone 4s and I have had to use them at one point or another (to look something up and my phone was at my desk). I can say that I will definitely NEVER EVER go back to a 3.5 inch screen. They seem soooo small now. I don't think I would even consider a 3.7 inch screen at this point. I think 4 inches is the smallest I will ever go, and the 4.3 on the Droid X and Evo are probably pushing the upper region.
I bought 2 droid turbos with verizon edge. I traded in my iphone 5 phones as part of the transaction. Anyone know what happens if I try to return my droid turbos? I'm wishing I had waiting for the Nexus 6.
I know I will own $70 in restock fees (2 x $35) but not sure how the rest will go.
I'm wondering the same thing. I want my G2 back so badly. The idle drain, capacitive buttons, poor wifi, and lack of simultaneous data and talk driving me crazy. Let's not even talk about root...
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I bought 2 droid turbos with verizon edge. I traded in my iphone 5 phones as part of the transaction. Anyone know what happens if I try to return my droid turbos? I'm wishing I had waiting for the Nexus 6.
I know I will own $70 in restock fees (2 x $35) but not sure how the rest will go.
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I highly doubt they will give you the phone back. I'm sure they will give you a gift card for the value of the phones, minus the restocking fees.
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So here's what will happen. Of course the restock fee. You will not get your iphones back. Assuming your trade in value of the iPhones was above $100, you should receive a gift card/account credit with the value of those trade in's or can put it towards a phone when returning the Turbos. If you are going to wait you will have to find some interim phones.
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So here's what will happen. Of course the restock fee. You will not get your iphones back. Assuming your trade in value of the iPhones was above $100, you should receive a gift card/account credit with the value of those trade in's or can put it towards a phone when returning the Turbos. If you are going to wait you will have to find some interim phones.
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that's very useful, thanks
If you return the phone within the return period you don't get hit with the restock fee unless you exchange it. Told this by a rep
You have 14 days to give it back. If you do it, in that timeframe, all is well. If you go outside of it, sheet hits the fan. In less than a month we will have VoLTE and Lollipop. SO I was told. Data and voice at same time will be fixed and you get the new OS.. boom
Root, however, is another story.. patiently waiting
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You have 14 days to give it back. If you do it, in that timeframe, all is well. If you go outside of it, sheet hits the fan. In less than a month we will have VoLTE and Lollipop. SO I was told. Data and voice at same time will be fixed and you get the new OS.. boom
Root, however, is another story.. patiently waiting
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I think my wife is going to return tomorrow so I'll get rid of it in less than a week. That'll work. I really don't care about Data and voice at same time, that's a "neutral" on my big ass list of reasons I want out of this phone.
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I think my wife is going to return tomorrow so I'll get rid of it in less than a week. That'll work. I really don't care about Data and voice at same time, that's a "neutral" on my big ass list of reasons I want out of this phone.
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Why do you want out?
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Why do you want out?
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OK well since you asked I'll list out my likes and hates. Keep in mind I'm coming from an iPhone 5 (which my wife forced me into). I put my foot down and demanded Android this time but I'm really hating this phone. I wanted a Nexus 6 but after cutting out a model out of cardboard I realized it didn't fit very well in my front pants pocket and that was without a case so that's why I tried this phone.
I like:
- the size and form factor
- the google software (except for the music app and the fact gmail must be separate from other email)
- the battery
- the free screen replacement (x1)
- the speed (after I disabled about 20 apps)
I'm neutral on:
- the screen (kind of dark and not loving the colors)
- no data and voice simultaneously
I hate:
- all the bloat (the Verizon software, amazon software, etc)
- the camera (slow and takes pretty bad pictures IMO)
- the wifi range/stability (getting drop outs on my top floor, never had that before)
- the bluetooth (getting drop outs in my car, never had that before)
- all the moto software (the moto voice software constantly stops playing whenever I have music on bc it thinks it's me talking.)
- low sound volume (although better after disabling audio effects)
- speakerphone (getting an echo, never had that before)
- lack of real voice mail (seriously WTF with Verizon voice mail)
- verizon text messages (couldn't figure out how to text pictures with anything else although I didn't spend much time on it)
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I hate:
- all the bloat (the Verizon software, amazon software, etc)
- the camera (slow and takes pretty bad pictures IMO)
- the wifi range/stability (getting drop outs on my top floor, never had that before)
- the bluetooth (getting drop outs in my car, never had that before)
- all the moto software (the moto voice software constantly stops playing whenever I have music on bc it thinks it's me talking.)
- low sound volume (although better after disabling audio effects)
- speakerphone (getting an echo, never had that before)
- lack of real voice mail (seriously WTF with Verizon voice mail)
- verizon text messages (couldn't figure out how to text pictures with anything else although I didn't spend much time on it)
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You can disable a lot of the bloat apps if you go into the app management settings
Camera might improve with software update or another app, but this is a personal preference thing for sure
Wifi issues would definitely bug me. Haven't personally noticed anything, but I've had my phone for lass than 24 hours
I'll test out my bluetooth, thanks for the heads up!
As for manufacturer software enhancements, this is as slim as it gets (aside from a Nexus device with pure vanilla android). Only other option is to go back to apple I think. Or wait for root/roms etc.
Not sure about voicemail issues, been a VZW customer for >10 years and it's always been fine.
You can use different text apps. Try the one w/ green icon, not the stupid red verizon one.
pbmpharmacist said:
OK well since you asked I'll list out my likes and hates. Keep in mind I'm coming from an iPhone 5 (which my wife forced me into). I put my foot down and demanded Android this time but I'm really hating this phone. I wanted a Nexus 6 but after cutting out a model out of cardboard I realized it didn't fit very well in my front pants pocket and that was without a case so that's why I tried this phone.
I like:
- the size and form factor
- the google software (except for the music app and the fact gmail must be separate from other email)
- the battery
- the free screen replacement (x1)
- the speed (after I disabled about 20 apps)
I'm neutral on:
- the screen (kind of dark and not loving the colors)
- no data and voice simultaneously
I hate:
- all the bloat (the Verizon software, amazon software, etc)
- the camera (slow and takes pretty bad pictures IMO)
- the wifi range/stability (getting drop outs on my top floor, never had that before)
- the bluetooth (getting drop outs in my car, never had that before)
- all the moto software (the moto voice software constantly stops playing whenever I have music on bc it thinks it's me talking.)
- low sound volume (although better after disabling audio effects)
- speakerphone (getting an echo, never had that before)
- lack of real voice mail (seriously WTF with Verizon voice mail)
- verizon text messages (couldn't figure out how to text pictures with anything else although I didn't spend much time on it)
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That's fair. The Wi-Fi and stuff will probably be fixed in an update. Bloat can be disabled in the application manager. You can customize your experience quite a lot including using any app you want for any activity, unlike iPhone. I recommend textra
rlb81 said:
You can disable a lot of the bloat apps if you go into the app management settings
Camera might improve with software update or another app, but this is a personal preference thing for sure
Wifi issues would definitely bug me. Haven't personally noticed anything, but I've had my phone for lass than 24 hours
I'll test out my bluetooth, thanks for the heads up!
As for manufacturer software enhancements, this is as slim as it gets (aside from a Nexus device with pure vanilla android). Only other option is to go back to apple I think. Or wait for root/roms etc.
Not sure about voicemail issues, been a VZW customer for >10 years and it's always been fine.
You can use different text apps. Try the one w/ green icon, not the stupid red verizon one.
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I have 20+ apps disabled, but i appreciate the heads up.
The wifi and bluetooth problems are pretty major for me (speakerphone too since i use that a lot). My wifes droid turbo has the same wifi issues as mine but no bluetooth issues so far.
pbmpharmacist said:
I have 20+ apps disabled, but i appreciate the heads up.
The wifi and bluetooth problems are pretty major for me (speakerphone too since i use that a lot). My wifes droid turbo has the same wifi issues as mine but no bluetooth issues so far.
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Just wanted to throw it out there in case you weren't aware. You had to know that people would try to rebut your dislikes Good luck with the return, let us know how it goes! I started Edge yesterday and the VZW guy couldn't really give a good answer on how the return process works. Hopefully I won't need it....
rlb81 said:
Just wanted to throw it out there in case you weren't aware. You had to know that people would try to rebut your dislikes Good luck with the return, let us know how it goes! I started Edge yesterday and the VZW guy couldn't really give a good answer on how the return process works. Hopefully I won't need it....
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Honestly I do appreciate the feedback. But yeah, a lot of people love their droid turbos so they don't want anyone to bash it. I get it. I tend to defend what I like too. I'm going to try to send my wife out for the return today, she's kind and patient and her returns seems to go smoother than when I do them.
pbmpharmacist said:
- all the bloat (the Verizon software, amazon software, etc)
- the camera (slow and takes pretty bad pictures IMO)
- the wifi range/stability (getting drop outs on my top floor, never had that before)
- the bluetooth (getting drop outs in my car, never had that before)
- all the moto software (the moto voice software constantly stops playing whenever I have music on bc it thinks it's me talking.)
- low sound volume (although better after disabling audio effects)
- speakerphone (getting an echo, never had that before)
- lack of real voice mail (seriously WTF with Verizon voice mail)
- verizon text messages (couldn't figure out how to text pictures with anything else although I didn't spend much time on it)
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Instead of me telling you how to fix these issues, because they can be fixed or will be addressed with updates...
Tell me what phone you would get as an alternative and I will give you my opinions on that or at least the differences. Because everything you listed will not only be a problem on a lot of phones, but even worse in some cases.
Andromjb said:
Instead of me telling you how to fix these issues, because they can be fixed or will be addressed with updates...
Tell me what phone you would get as an alternative and I will give you my opinions on that or at least the differences. Because everything you listed will not only be a problem on a lot of phones, but even worse in some cases.
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Well I WOULD have gladly taken a Nexus 6... but my wife needs a working phone right now not whenever google actually gets product shipped so she left with the droid turbo and is coming back with iphone 6. Plus they simply made the Nexus 6 too large. But even though it's too big I'd still take one right now if I could get one.
There are a lot of complaints about the wifi and I seriously doubt that can be fixed. The wifi is worse than my cheap work lenovo laptop that my employer hands out to everyone. Maybe the other issues will eventually be fixed but it's possible there will NEVER be root on these phones and that's what everyone needs.
If I had to do it over again, I'd have hung on to my iphone 5 and I would have bought an HTC One M9 in March/April but that ship has sailed.
pbmpharmacist said:
Well I WOULD have gladly taken a Nexus 6... but my wife needs a working phone right now not whenever google actually gets product shipped so she left with the droid turbo and is coming back with iphone 6.
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Figures you would post the one phone I cannot help you with, lol! I'm not an iPhone user, it's just a blatantly overpriced piece of hardware.
My opinion, however, is that you're exchanging a device that lacks a well rounded camera in terms of software for one that offers more functionality in terms of software..
Internally, Android just wins. Hands down. Sure, the iPhone has a great camera & a 64 bit SoC. But take those two things away and nothing inside is truly "revolutionary" at all. It's been done before, years ago, nothing new or substantial other than the fact that Apple has finally caught up in display offerings.
Nexus 6 is definitely going to be one of a kind, but I don't think the battery is going to be great imho. I'm reserving my opinions on the camera for now. I do think the signal strength will be good, as Motorola implemented a great design around the band and the plastic back won't obscure signals.
I'm sorry your Turbo experience wasn't a pleasurable one for your personal needs.
Andromjb said:
Figures you would post the one phone I cannot help you with, lol! I'm not an iPhone user, it's just a blatantly overpriced piece of hardware.
My opinion, however, is that you're exchanging a device that lacks a well rounded camera in terms of software for one that offers more functionality in terms of software..
Internally, Android just wins. Hands down. Sure, the iPhone has a great camera & a 64 bit SoC. But take those two things away and nothing inside is truly "revolutionary" at all. It's been done before, years ago, nothing new or substantial other than the fact that Apple has finally caught up in display offerings.
Nexus 6 is definitely going to be one of a kind, but I don't think the battery is going to be great imho. I'm reserving my opinions on the camera for now. I do think the signal strength will be good, as Motorola implemented a great design around the band and the plastic back won't obscure signals.
I'm sorry your Turbo experience wasn't a pleasurable one for your personal needs.
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Yeah the short of it as a married man this was my chance to convert my wife (she insists that we have the same phone so that I can help her figure things out) to Android and there are simply too many problems with this phone. Nothing was easy or simple, even stuff like Voice Mail, Bluetooth streaming, wifi, texting. Those are basic things that my iPhone 5 was better at. I'm honestly shocked.
I knew there would be bloatware and I disabled it. I still don't think carriers should be able to load that **** on peoples phones and then keep people from deleting it. I think that's a huge problem for Android to overcome. I think Google is headed in the right direction with the Nexus 6... but it's not available yet.
Maybe down the road I can try again... with a Nexus device
Ya, I can imagine it being a big disappointment. The last thing you want to give your wife or anyone in general is a bad first experience.
If you are seeking the best Android experience possible than you should definitely get a Nexus 5, Nexus 6, Moto X 2014, or the M8 Google Play Edition. They all run vanilla Android out of the box with zero bloat and will give you the quickest Android updates available.
Hello, i just wanted bring all of you together to read this thread. Ok so i know since you've been a Moto owner, you've heard or seen at least once insulting comment about your device or the Motorola company. For example, "Anything that Motorola makes sucks" "People only get them because they're cheap" "That phone is crappy". I know that those people are ignorant to other people's liking. I'm tired of hearing the same thing. A lot of people that own super expensive high end- flashy smartphones say things like that about devices like the Moto series. Well that really offends me, just because they might not be the most high-end smartphones or the most expensive smartphones doesn't mean they are worthless. We Moto owners take great pride in our device, we appreciate what we have and we value our smartphones.
If someone offered me a brand new Galaxy S6 and a brand new Moto X and said i could only pick one. I would pick the Moto X hands down without a doubt in my mind. Because I know, We know what matters in a smartphone. What is that? User experience and performance for the price. That's what a review comes down to at the end of the day. A company could make a super spec'd out smartphone but get the same review score as a phone a fraction of its cost. I know if i were to buy a $1000 smartphone it better be great in every aspect and i know if i bought a smartphone for half that price, i'm not expecting it to be perfect but i want to have a good performance. That's exactly what motorola does, it gives you a great performing phone for the price.
For example, the Moto G. It has a low price point but does everything you need it to do. If I want a super powerful gaming machine of a smartphone, I'm not going to buy the Moto G. Then give a bad review for not being able to do what i wanted it to. I'm gonna buy a smartphone with a powerful chipset. At the end of the day we Moto owners stand out. Other people don't seem to understand our taste in smartphones value. Im not saying if you own a super expensive phone you're a bad person or anything. I'm just saying you get what you pay for. All of you Moto owners, good job in picking a smartphone. It doesn't matter if you have a Moto E, a Moto G or a Moto X. We all are equal and unified. #Teammoto
Proof that price doesn't matter
Moto has shunned a lot of former owners myself included l...while I love this phone Moto can still lick my berries.
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It cost me over $1000 to get a MotoMaker Moto X into my country.
Worth every cent!
Beautiful design, Better features and Better performance than all my friends IPhones and Shamsungs.
Agreed !
Most people I talk to in my cell phone repair shop are ignorant to Motorola smartphones. They see my phone and ask what it is. Then they say that it looks nice.
Let those say whatever they want to because they are not aware of the fact that Motorola is the one who created mobile industry, rest are just parts of this industry. Real innovator is Motorola, rest just follow up whatever is left out by Motorola. Even today no other phone can beat a MotoX in terms of 'smartness', rest just feel dumb phones in front of a Moto X.
Motorola users don't need to frequently change their devices because they are more durable, can keep going for few generations of OS versions, come at cheaper price point. A 2-3 years Moto can easily keep going till the next Moto replaces it. You hardly see other brand's phones over 2 years old in anyone's hands. Others just fight needless specs war whereas specs is not everything. so called small battery and poor camera of my MotoX never miss the chance of surprising me by their performance, thats engineering, not just putting useless counts of cores or big spec battery or a high pixel density display which unnecessarily eats up the additional CPU power or battery.
Offcourse there are flaws in the Moto devices also but others are much more flawed. I am currently fighting a consumer court case against poor after sales service provided by Motorola when they took forever to repair a defective MotoE under warranty but that bad incident isn't enough to reduce my love and respect towards the Motorola brand.
Their strong comeback in the market after going completely dead is one more reason to buy their devices because it motivates to wake up and fight in the life, doesn't matter whatever trouble life throws on us. :good:
Let the ignorant people go gaga over whatever they want to, it doesn't changes the reality, does it?
the sad thing is that we are on a new level of "low" on the Dev part of our community.. only a few roms and most of them 5.0.x, only one custom kernel and only for CM based roms.. id love to have a custom kernel on my stock but rooted to be able to play with synapse to tamper with settings to "beast-out" ok gaming and more out of battery for everyday use..
about the talk.. heh I've been experiencing these kind of things at work when they see me use the my phone.. waving my hand over it to check my notifications.. they are so jealous [emoji13]
Motorola is still a great manufacturer, designer, innovater of awesome phones! The X series are the living proofs of this! Many users hate the company now because motorola promised them faster updates and has been really slow and non transparent in terms of updates!
I think motorola has done a great job in terms of updates and phones in general! Leaving the S6 which had 5.0 out of the box, no other manufacturer has provided 5.1 update to any of their phones yet other than the nexus line! People would never understand that 5.0 to 5.0.2 were buggy! They just want an update so they could think less of it and start complaining about the next version of android not being given to them in time! I say such people should buy nexus phones to get timely updates and stop the ranting!
For other people who have a higher price higher spec phones dont know much about android. They just buy a high spec phone thinking its future proof and later understand that there are many more newer innovations at a lesser price. Such people always keep wasting money in those high specs! Motorola doesn't provide high specs. But it provides the perfect balance of specs and working and useful features in their phones which are more useful in daily use and thus it makes the phones a daily driver.
The only problem with their phone is the fragile screen. Its glass and glass tends to break when it takes a hit. But the cost to replace it is too much! In India we need to pay 75% of the purchase cost to get the screen replaced! That's what is keeping people from buying motorola!
I love Stock Android on the Moto X 2014 ?
I miss the development of roms
That is because the source is still stuck back at 5.0.2. It would be great if we could get more up to date source.
I got my s3 when it was a flagship device and had a Samsung phone earlier. The primary reason I got the moto X was the price due to the cyber Monday sale. I saved up anticipating that the nexus 6 would be around the same price as the 5 but it turned out to be very expensive for me.
I had a few apprehensions before getting this device as I had never owned a moto device, but the X has exceeded my expectations! For the price, I don't think any other phone offers similar build quality and specs. Sure a bigger battery or a SD card slot would have been sweet but I feel that this is the perfect blend of stock plus nifty Moto features. I'm so used to active display now that I don't think I can actually use a device without it!
As far as updates are concerned, I'd rather have a fully functional 5.1 build rather than a messed up quickly released and buggy one. The delay has been a little annoying with multiple soak tests but if it results in a near bug free build then I'd rather wait!
All in all very satisfied with the phone.
#teammoto
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